60-Car AI Racing in Automobilista 2! 

"In sim racing we can do whatever we want, whenever we want, without any concerns of safety." - GPLaps 2023

Hi, I’m the creator of the tutorial. I totally agree with you, the process of setting this up is totally hideous. I don’t see this as a solution, it’s more of a gimmick to try once in awhile. I originally did this as a proof of concept to see if it would work, and it works surprisingly well even on older hardware. By making the tutorial, i’m hoping this would get enough traction for devs to notice and possibly implement it in one of the future updates! I also would like to add, i tested 60 cars on brands hatch(total mayhem, i know). During the race i got a full course yellow and 90% of the grid pulled into pits at the same time and they all made it out safely(well, the phasing of the cars was awful of course, but that’s to be expected)! Seems like the pit stops work a lot better compared to Project Cars 2, as you would get around 5-6 cars stuck in pits there consistently.

It won't be long before we see someone managing to get a version of -Le Mans- Circuit de la Sarthe modded into AMS2, coupled with this tweak to get the AI numbers up, the potential is pretty exciting.

Gosh, Jake, you are such a talented a communicator. I've been following your work for many years, it may be a decade. You have such a natural voice, sense of presenting, your storytelling is innate, your passion, preparation and fluid presentation carries from the first moment of each release. Every video expresses your talent at production and editing, sense of cinema, use of music and camera. You report your research, historic knowledge so capably, while It's clear much of your recording is unscripted, your livestreams radiate your talent as clearly as more edited pieces. I don't know what your day job is, I wouldn't be surprised if you worked in media, but anyway it seems to me that your talent would shine at in any level of journalism, and any subject you produced as a documentarian would be engaging for a wide audience. I could not be more impressed with your work.

In case you weren't aware, there are a couple tracks on RaceRoom that support 100 cars out of the box that are worth trying, Spa Combined and Nordschleife VLN/24. Dubai supports 90, Daytona 80, Road America 64. I like playing R3E multiclass as well, the AI are pretty aggressive which suits tintops and means they often don't get held up a whole lot.

I hope the person who figured out how to do this gets in touch with Reiza to share what they did and hopefully aid Reiza into supporting this in the sim.

IMHO, colossal grids > photorealistic graphics. To this day, some of the most fun I've ever had in a racing game has involved activating the trackside camera in Project Cars and watching a grid of 45 cars go dashing down the start/finish line, some on their own, others viciously battling amongst themselves. Sometimes, an accident happens (sometimes it's MASSIVE). The outright most fun I've ever had in a racing game has to be the time I found myself dicing with a fellow Radical RXC Turbo, again in PCars, as the both of us constantly ducked one way or another to get around lapped traffic. Mass chaos will _always_ be a good time in a racing game, and more games should realize that. In particular, I'm extremely disappointed in both Forza and Gran Turismo's insistence on grids of cars that rarely grow past 20 - niche sims shouldn't be the only ones that engage in this sort of hilarity, but they are. EDIT: 28:25 God almighty, I actually winced at that move. Real Death Star hours...

AMS2's AI are just unbelievable. They're so much fun, and one of the few AI that actually race you. Definitely the least taxing as well. I can run 56 AI at Le Mans in AC, but it rally pushes it. Definitely want to try a 60 car IMSA grid at Daytona now.

It'd be nice if they added this officially to the sim and just had a little disclaimer pop up in the options when you put the number of opponents above 32 that says "having more than 32 cars on track may cause instability or performance issues", then nobody can complain when they put everything on full and tank their frame rate or something. *edit: just got to the point where you literally said that in the video...

You and empty box are the bee's knees of sim racing channels.

Man you’re quick. I saw exactly this show up yesterday when I was looking into modding AMS2. It were 2 short vids on mount Panorama and I was thinking; wow

I really hope, that this large pack racing will be something, that'll be developed properly in the future, since it is what makes endurance racing feel realistic. Think of NLS or Le Mans style field sizes.

ProjCars 1 supported like 50-60 cars iirc, especially on big tracks (it was limited based on track) So when I ended up with ProjCars 2 some time later, finding out that it hard limited it to 32 (?) cars on most tracks, I was baffled How can a sequel to a game - which was supposed to improve on everything - take away one of the best features? So now if you attempt to recreate a LeMans 24h style race on ProjCars 2, you'll probably only end up with like 8 cars per class, which isn't very LeMans 24 really Kinda makes me wish racing games would stop going for some like 'ultra realistic graphics' or 'super advanced AI' (which is like 10% better than normal, and takes 2x the processing power) and would just add fun things, like a max grid size of *whatever your PC can handle*

60 cars at Oultoun Park?? Madness!! Still makes you wonder whats really stopping Reiza from increasing the grids to at least 40-45 on tracks that support them IRL.

Absolutely beautiful sunset. The glow of the brake lights and flames spewing out back looked so awesome too once it got darker. I really hope that this game gains some more popularity. It’s too bad that it had a rough start

Reviewing the tutorial and seeing what it does is change values in memory which is hardcoded the limit of 32. It is probably due to problems with the AI, performance, and so on. But as a community we could ask in the Reiza forums that this value be left in a configuration file and not in an enum to be able to edit it. "Inexperienced" players or those who want something that works straight forward would still not notice any changes and for the rest of us it would be much easier to try much larger grids at our own risk.

That looks like so much fun. I can't wait to try it with the Group C cars, the VRC GTO cars and the Group A (sort of GTU) cars

I knew you would mention GTR2...and I am glad you did. I will def be picking this game up asap. I need large grid racing again...I still play GTR2 for that very reason!

This super duper should be in the default game, having nords with 30 or under cars is just silly, and as you say even if it comes with a warning just the ability to push the game up and get some realistic field sizes would be a great addition to AMS2

The problem is the shared memory structures. They don't support more than thirty-two cars. Having said that, there is no reason for Reiza to stick with extended the PC2 shared memory layout - they have already extended it but in a backwardly compatible manner. Adding an entirely new structure would of course mean no tools for a few weeks whilst SimHub and the like catch up, but it would be worth it and the PC2 structures and its extension would still be available.

I'm totally into Porsche and especially the ones from the 80's and before.

Those last few laps were really fun to watch. You need to do that more often. ;)

GPLaps: "I didn't really want to inspire a whole bunch of people to do this". Whole bunch of people: "Plz make a tutorial video"

clicked on this video expecting you to race on some f1 ass tilkedrome. respect.

Love your AMS2 videos. Wondering if you'd be up for recording a modern Brazilian stock car race? I avoided those cars for so long because I knew nothing about them, but they are a real handful and AMS2 does a great job of simulating the real series with the "full package" of real rules, real cars, and real tracks that is so rare these days. Some of those Brazilian tracks are real hidden gems as well. Just a thought! Either way, keep up the awesome work, your videos are so zen and relaxing to watch or just have on in the background while I'm working.

It makes want to cry to see Oulton Park in it's original set-up, something we'll never see again in BSB.

I'm going to use this video in my "What do you want for Xmas?" pitch.

A great race to watch, I am still trying to attain this level of fun. I always return to AMS2. It is underrated in my opinion.

I really just want someone to convert Brno and maybe Knockhill from PC2 now. The Sugo conversion is awesome. I'm not too fussed on custom tracks, there's a million great tracks already professionally made using both LiDAR and lazer scans.

Great stuff! In Raceroom, you can easily chuck 100 AI cars of all sorts of classes onto the Nordschleife. There's some very good content for realistic VLN/NLS style racing. Would make for a fun video too!

Nice job!! it should be a bit chaos at the first lap but I love it xD

Love AMS2 so much, great to see more people enjoying it recently :)

Just imagine how amazing this would be to watch at Oulton Park IRL

RaceRoom you can run up to a 100 cars. Love the classic The RsR’s from this era are so beautiful, arguably one the sexist and iconic that Porsche designed 🤔 Completely in love. Speaking of classic/historical cars, would love to see a new video 1966 NASCAR road course.

The last time I went to Oulton Park was when Tom Sykes was racing BSB for Suzuki. He won both races and it was snowing 😮

This sim is gorgeous and looks like a LOT of fun!

I managed to get 55 cars on the grid at Le Mans in Assetto Corsa (early 80's Group-C and C2). It's glorious and i'm definitely going to check out Automobilista 2 now :D

I wonder if yoy could make a script that would automatically do all the edits you need to do before launching the game

If you are editing multiple files and using different software to setup such a race then I would look into using an automation tool like UI Path that allows you to record a macro across all your software then edit it for the different races that you want to run and it will do the donkey work thereafter.

What a beautiful race!

I like how we pronounce Porsche and Nordschleife the same way 😀 It seems like if you talk to ten people then six of them will pronounce it differently. But I say it exactly like you do.

This is why I love sim racing. We can do almost anything with it. Including this.

"I didn't really want to inspire a whole bunch of people to do this".... *Proceeds to show a multi-class 60 car feild for 30 minutes* 😂😂😂

Thumbnail pic livery choice 👌

Curious to see this at Daytona, the only track i can remember in AMS2 with 60 pit stalls.

Wow, looks great!

I love AMS2. I also wish there were at least 4 or 6 more cars in the classic gt class. My big wish is for Trans-Am cars in the sim along with the tracks they raced on. The stuff in AC is great, but it's not refined.

60 car start 😎 round Oulton Park 😮 trackside furniture immediately flies in the air 😹

Yay! Oulton with no chicanes!

Spewing about that off track with only 5 minutes to go. Great fun though. Have you tried the pcars2 mod "Alpine A110" yet. That thing has great handling. ✋ ✋

Great videos as always is AI good in your opinion and better then project cars 2 ? Handling of the cars better than Project cars 2 Thanks

I can hear Renato slamming his keyboard

Nice that you can do this, but I will stick with the original game settings for number of cars. I don't know if my PC with the RTX-3080TI would have problems with 60 cars. I don't plan to try this mod if you have to do a reset every time. Probably with 60 AI cars there would be too many incidents during race. Thanks for the video anyway.

Just curious Jake. When are you going to upgrade to a 21:9 monitor (so you can see better who's alongside you)? Also, so you can start uploading great 21:9 videos.

Glad I'm not the only one who loves Oulton Park without the stupid chicanes.

Yeah I think having to re-hack each time might be cumbersome and my initial thoughts were "Yeah, Nah". But watching you race, I'm not so sure it's not worth the effort, even for the occasional large race. I'll stick to the current number on these smaller tracks for now but the Nordschliefe has me interested. Or maybe a historic race on Bathurst 1983 (my next favourite).

this is insane

I tried it and it looks like it doesn't work with mod cars for now. I tried a multi class race with DPis, GTEs (incl. Ford GTE) and the Blancpain GT3s from didouc/ Thunderflash at Termas de Rio Hondo and the mod cars were about 10 secs slower per lap compared to when I did a normal race with them. The same happened with the VRC cars, they just go much slower through corners with 60 cars compared to the normal 32. Guess we will have to wait for reiza or Mod studios for updates

The ultimate CPU stress test.

GP mate ily and thanks for this and the recent retro Bathurst vid. Your vocal compression settings are pretty extreme which makes it fatiguing to listen. Just need to raise the threshold closer to zero, or speed up the attack to 1ms. It’s like driving theory if you look into it. You are an immortal legend, so please take with respect. Much love.

Assetto always gets me I play in vr and have what I would call a good setup but I can't have alot of cars on track without issues so I race with no more than 14 cars n I use a 5800x amd and radeon 6800 flat screen don't have issues with lots of cars I guess vr is way more intensive. I might try am2 out

Thats not working :( i try this every time and every time he start with 30 cars ...

fain clip

Is it possibble to get to work online?

Does this game have cloud shadows? Kinda looks like it at a few points in the vid.

I really enjoy AMS2, but man do cars feel harder to control than like say, AC. Like the Mclaren f1 is hard to even drive straight on AMS2, but on AC I can floor it with impunity and essentially drive it like a racing porsche or something. Not sure what to make of this

I use to do this in AMS1 omg it nuked my frames

Ok whats the name of this track?

The added chicanes ruin oulten park

I wonder how you cut this fantastic clips. The reply of AMS2 is sh*t. This is the reason why I avoid this sim. I like to study my driving afterwards, but with AMS2 this is frustrating…

The main reason Reiza will never do this is that it will make "the headlight problem" super obvious. It may run great during the day but it will bring 4090 to it's knees once you have 40-50 cars behind you. That problem is so easy to fix on paper and it will be so embaracing for Reiza to admit they couldn't. Limiting the number of cars doesn't make the problem to go away but it makes it harder to pinpoint for the regular players, they just think "night effect" is more demanding.

looks very fun. I think I'll do this later this evening... just without the whole hackeman5000 dealio stuff though lolol

Not watched it yet. Just wanted to be first lol