Does Jill really belong on this list? This focuses on characters whose moral compass gets completely flipped. Jill was mind controlled but went back to being a good guy after you saved her. Her moral compass stayed put, for the most part.
@PsychoDieter91 I never really played prototype, but the game probably died out due to either lack of ideas or story line, either that or they just didn't have enough money or straight up abandoned the game, again I NEVER played the game, I'm literally just assuming things. Also I have no idea why I'm replying to you
@@rlharveson Oh, no they had plenty of ideas and ways to go with it. Someone made a comic, totally fucked up Alexs personality and goal and turned him into an asshole. I enjoyed Prototype 2 but having Alex as the villain was bullshit when they had so much else to do yet from the first game.
Does Alex Mercer count? Technically he was responsible for a zombie outbreak from the start of the first game, but he took his dickishnes to a whole other level in the next game.
I was a little confused by the inclusion of Mafia III because I gave the whole city to Vito in my playthrough. I didn't even know that he went bad if you neglected him.
"Sir, you're monologuing again, and you ordered me to remind you to stop doing that." "...thank you, Chamberlain. What's next on my calendar?" "Genocide, and then lunch, sir."
Then there's Shepherd from our many, many Mass Effect playthroughs. Paragon, then renegade, then paragon again, then renegade again... then murder everyone you can just for funsies...
1005rhys When your experience revolves solely around Tali. Every mission: Tali Every break: Tali I exhaust all the dialogue options within my first hour of playing.
Naw man, they been doing that for decades, going all the way back from the early days when they first came into buisness. They always been villans from day one.
Chris: So wait wait wait, Wesker. You have a mind control device? Wesker: Yes and I used it to turn your close friend against you Chris:Mind control device? Wesker:Yes Chris: A device that will let you make a person do whatever you want and can be attached...to anyone? Wesker:Get to the point Chris: So rather than say, the president, or the prime ministers of Russia or China or anyone with access to an army and nuclear launch codes you pick...Jill? Wesker: She is a trained military agent... Chris:My friend and ally who would quickly join me if I freed her from said device.....And you turned her into a super soldier? Jill whose helped defeat you on numerous occasions as an ordinary human, you gave super powers to? Wesker: It was never about her, it was about getting inside your head. Hitting you where it hurt Redfield... Chris:Yep you are the dumbest villain ever. How have we considered you a threat all this time? lol
Alex Mercer? The protagonist in Prototype that stops nuclear weapons from falling on the Big Apple, only to become bioweapon crazed lord of the bio zombies in Prototype 2?
I'm actually part of a small minority of people who actually like Chuck Greene more than Frank West. Also, there's assholes out there that didn't give anything to Vito in Mafia 3? Those people I do not want to meet.
Anders, the mage from the 'Dragon Age' series. In 'Origins - Awakening' he's a nice if trouble young man with a kitten named Ser Pounce-a-lot. By the end of 'Dragon Age II' he's blown up a church full of nuns!
I wouldn't mind it much if he would've at least told me (the main character and one of his best friends) about it first. Instead he lied to me and made me help him.
Alex Mercer kinda falls into a particular hole that I think should have also prevented Wilhelm from being in this list: he's not so much a "hero" as he's a protagonist; he doesn't really have particularly heroic qualities (for the most part) but he is the character you play as/his is the point of view through which you experience the game.
wozzen I agree that Alex, to begin with, was an asshole before getting infected but when the virus took his identity, he was slowly learning to be a hero (saving his sister, saving a couple of agents who were actually trying to help the military kill him in the comics, and fighting Elizabeth and the supreme hunter's efforts to spread the virus). In the comics, he struck out on his own for a while to see what it was like to be human but people kept on screwing him over until he just flat out decided that humanity should be wiped out and that a new species should be the dominant one instead.
Mercer wasn't really a good dude. Straight from the start he was killing innocents and trying to spread the black light virus. Just because you play as a character doesn't make them the good guy. If any game teaches you that its gonna be Spec Ops the Line
His first lines are "My name is Alex Mercer. I'm the reason for all of this. They call me a killer, a monster, a terrorist... I'm all of these things."
What about John Marston? You know, because he lived a very long and super happy life on his ranch with his family but eventually fell back into his outlaw ways when times got tough for agricultural workers in the 1920s ... or was that just Andy's fanfiction?
you are both so wrong. he was never good to begin with, when he was alive he released the virus. HE WAS ALWAYS THE BAD GUY, BECAME THE WORSE GUY IN PROTOTYPE 2
....When did I say anything to the contrary? Mercer was never a hero, he only tanked the nuke for two reasons. One he knew from the supreme hunter he would survive. Words from the supreme hunter's mouth "After I consume you even the nuke won't be able to stop me" So mercer never really had to fear for his life from the nuke. Second Dana was in the city it wasn't about the civilians. Final note his melancholy is far more focused on his realization he was never human, that he was the Blacklight virus. He never felt bad for the hundreds to thousands he killed. It was definitely out of character for him to become a megalomaniac villain but only because it is far more likely he'd just lose interest in humanity after its constant disappointment. Final, final, note a hero would not have an ability called street sweeper that's sole purpose is to wipe out civilians in mass.
Germy Forev re read your own comment coz thats exactly what you implied. genocidal virus deserves a spot why? the fucking thing was never good/a hero. so no it DOESN'T DESERVE A FUCKING SPOT
Army of two devil's cartel will always hold a special place in my heart, me and my dad always played it together. It will always go down as one of my favorite games
And there is NO redemption arc. The hero/es in D2 figure out pretty early on that the only way to do anything even remotely like saving him is to force Diablo out by hacking his body to pieces. So you LITERALLY walk into the most heavily defended citadel in HELL, annihilate an ARMY of Diablo's followers, then beat Diablo to death. "yay my soul is free now!" or something like that, yeah, have a nice afterlife, because that's all you get.
Summoner is a PITA. mainly because you have to fight him on narrow walkways and he uses AoE magic. He's not the main boss, in act 2, but he's the second hardest.
The town that you spent the whole of the first Diablo game defending from the forces of evil turns out to be the 3rd or 4th area you reach in Diablo II, except now it's full of the undead you you have to kill several of the named former townspeople who are now zombies. Good thing you spent all that time in the first game defending them! Not to mention that in Diablo 3, Diablo turns out to be possessing the daughter of that same character, and the person you have been escorting for the first 3/4 of the game! The Diablo series is mostly about screwing over the previous player character each subsequant game!
"Wear a skintight catsuit and do backflips." You mean "wear a skintight catsuit with *the groin torn open* and do backflips." Yes this is true, you can check her trophy.
No Alex Mercer for Prototype? I’m mean we wasn’t exactly a good person but... or even a hero really now that I think about it. Whatever I’m sure he fits the criteria somehow.
Sadly that IS a rule. If you're a villain, you HAVE to monologue. Even if you are one of the silent types, you'll be forced to learn sign language or monologue through the medium of charades.
What about Middle Earth: Shadow of War? You set out to fight Sauron, but at the end, your other half almost BECOMES Sauron, you don a Ringwraith’s ring, and eventually become a Nazgul yourself. Then you have to watch yourself give in to the ring as Eltariel in the DLC. It’s super depressing to watch Talion be wiped away, and replaced by a puppet of the Dark Lord.
CapColdblood thanks for the spoiler! Lol jk bro but that’s crazy tried the hardest level because I thought i could hang since I played shadow of modor, but I was wrong lol so I neglected the game because I kept dying, but now I’m on normal continuing the story. Wish me luck on the DLCs to 👍 ...side note do you get anything for completing the game on the hardest level?
teno_drew I think an achievement or two. Nothing worth the grind. They added a ton of new stuff and eventually you get sweet rewards for the endgame. The best stuff is the Legendary sets. My favorite is the Terror set or the Machine set. Always kill Legendary Orcs!
Machine > Marauder > Vendetta > post-update Ringwraith > Terror > Mystic* *the Mystic Dagger is God tier OP, and should be equipped most if not all the time. Machine is a bit tricky to use, what with the constant secondary and tertiary explosions knocking Talion off the Captain he's about to do a Ground Finisher/Fury on, but once you get the hang of it and level all but the Dagger (whose function is kinda useless and completely inferior to the aforementioned Mystic), it is the Destroyer Of Worlds. Marauder is extremely fun to play, as most Berserker-type things are. It requires the automatically-grab-loot skill to fully experience and empower, but once you get it and start racking up kills, there are few things capable of stopping or even slowing you. Once, I killed an Online Vendetta target with it using just 2 hits and an Execution. On a target that was "Immune To Execution." Let that sink in for a bit. Vendetta is a really good set to use when you don't have any other Legendaries yet, or haven't been able to level them. Even though levelling Vendetta can be a bit glitchy at times. Before the update, the Ringwraith set was kinda fun to use, albeit with a useless Armor effect of increasing defense against Undead. After the update that gave us new armor and cloaks, it really became a viable and useful option. Terror.....well, I don't use Terror much, but it's kinda fun. Mystic? Pfffff. All you need from here is the Dagger, mate. Grab that and just move on. Also, an amendment to what CapColdblood said: Always kill Legendary Orcs, unless you've already got the weapon they drop. In which case, you Recruit them. And probably promote them to Bodyguard, Warchief, or even Overlord.
Instead of wilhem you could picked handsome Jack who also was a hero and became a villain and its a more interesting character, and where's sephiroth? I think its the best example of a hero becoming villain in videogame history
Sephiroth was a hero before the start of FF7. Cloud even looked up to him and was inspired to join S.O.L.D.I.E.R. because of him. check out Crisis Core.
The Chuck Greene one, was inaccurate because the reason he turned psychopath was because of an alternate ending. This follows Case: Zero however Chuck fails to give Katey Zombrex and starts to go insane. If you say, "What about Dead Rising 3?" I can explain that too. We don't know much, but I can only infer that Katey ran away. This causes Chuck to find her.
DR 3 continues from the A ending of DR2 (and case west expansion) where katey and her father are separated Then, politics happened and it took years for them to join again (DR3)
What about Prince Lyon from Fire Emblem Sacred Stones. He starts as someone looking to cure his ailing father and eventually turns into the Demon King starting a massive war and releasing terrible monsters upon the land
So you picked Wilhelm and not jack ? Kinda weird to pick him since he TECHNICALLY was a vilain from the begining. And Jack litteraly live long enough to become the vilain the same way harvey did.
Borderlands is bad pick, all protagonists and side characters are dickhead, just ruthless mercenary not hero. You're right, Jack got mentally abused even by so-called "heroes" who did bad thing and backstabbing. Jack understands, being biggest dickhead is the best way to rule.
Damanzz Maybe because the channel is called OutsideXBOX, you know i would have figured that they would have used XBOX footage, y,know, just saying. Smartass.
ColemN you do realize jack was evil since the first game right? He’s the one who told angel what to tell the vault hunters(before they get off the buss). Throughout the prequel, everything he pulls is basically an act.
Everything you said about Revan was brilliant Jane but I do have one question...why is Canderous so naked? (Also IS THAT WHAT TOR REVAN'S VOICE ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE??)
Well there are two Revans in TOR one who is dark side & the other light so one sounds like a maniac and the other sounds like a bloodthirsty maniac with a cult... so any Player character really.
We COULD count Alyn Shir from Kingdoms of Amalur. She did massacre a friendly patrol or two at the end, but we never really got answers for why she did it. Because.... [sniff] we never got a sequel [sniff] WE NEVER GOT A SEQUEL ELLEN
Pretty sure she did it because no one other than you, her and a select few others were even meant to know about tirnoch, and those patrols knew too much.
The impression that I got is that killing a few innocent people for the greater good wasn't really outside of Alyn Shir's character from the beginning of the game (or your pre-death character for that matter).
As a resident of the moral high ground i must inform you that there are no cottages here. Don't worry though Jane, I'll be the bigger person and let you off for the error.
Adewale from Assassin's Creed IV? He's Edward's right hand man in Black Flag, he's the hero in Freedom Cry, and then oops...by Rogue, he's plotting with Achilles to find more Precursor Sites and knowingly start a bunch of massive life-threatening earthquakes. Once Shay inadvertently causes a genocide in Lisbon and defects to the Templars, he eventually DOES have to face and kill Adewale.
Adewale was not evil him and Archilles had no idea about hte earthquakes that the precursos sites cause, shay had no choise Adewale did not leasen to him and ARCHILLES realised Shane was right way to LATE.
No one said Adewale or Achilles were evil - objectively, they AREN'T. They're making a pretty horrible decision despite the earthquakes, which from Shay's point of view, makes them antagonists. That was the whole point of the game - to turn everything you know previously on its head and make you see things from the Templar point of view. That's why enemies stalk you/try to air assassinate you ffs. You know how it feels to be a Templar. Does that mean I think you should sympathize with the Templars? No. But for that game, Adewale IS an antagonist.
FOR ME NATHAN KENWAY WAS NOT EVIL PER SAY........HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE TEMPLAR, AND IF YOU TINK ABOUT IT THE ASSASIN OF THE WEST INDIES WHERE ALL IDIOTS EXEMPT EDWARD.
All three playable characters from Diablo can fit into this list since they all become bosses in Diablo 2. And after those developers left Blizzard, they played this trick again in their Torchlight 2. The main villain in that game is one of the playable character (the alchemist) from Trochlight.
What about Alex Mercer from the Prototype series? He went from brooding goth antihero to megalomaniacal psycho in the span of like a year. It was a very jarring transition
Not exactly in a year the comics explain that he tried to live a normal life in disguise and successfully did for a while until he revealed himself to his love interest who ended up betraying him. After being scorned by humanity several times over the events of prototype 2 unfold
I think its because he's more comic book character based but idk I love edge of time and shattered dimensions but I'm thinking they are sticking with more video game characters on this one
In Knights of the Old Republic, I usually do a Light Side character because of how disapproving but accepting of your actions HK-47 is. I always have to learn Force Lightning though because that's just cool.
"Someone will kick Albert" *Jill pushes him off a window with herself going down as well* "Or Jill will kick him" Yeah Andy... she kicked him all right...
You can also play as Nisha in the Borderlands Pre-Sequel, who is an optional boss in BL2 (as the sheriff of Lynchwood). Definitely not as tough of a fight as Wilhelm, but still.
I hope you all do a second list, because Artorias the Abysswalker needs to be included. He's one of my favorite characters in the series as well as in video games.
In all technicality you could include the hero of the original Dragon Quest due to the timeline featured in Dragon Quest Builders in which he became a far stronger version of the hoodlum enemy type to lay claim to "1/2 the kingdom" promised to him by the dragon lord, ironically all he got was a small cave named 1/2 the world but still he did turn evil in one of two timelines.
Talion from Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War is a good guy through both games and becomes a Nazgul after the Blade of Galadriel expansion he absolutely lived long enough to be a villain.
@@sukhoisu-75checkmate24 he got betrayed by the two Elves and had his ring taken, he then puts on a ring from a Nazgul which allows him to live. He for quite awhile stays as a good guy but the Nazgul ring eventually corrupts him and he becomes a Nazgul.
You didn't even mention the lich king from World of Warcraft. Specifically Arthas from warcraft 3 who was a great protector until he picked up frostmourne and killed everyone.
That dude was well on the bad guy path LONG before he became lich king. He was obsessed with revenge and slaughtered entire cities with no mercy, chasing off everyone on his side, only keeping the loyalty of his crew because he flat out lied to them.
Yeah, that was... interesting... you fight through the hordes of hell to stop the most powerful hell-lord from manifesting on earth.... and seal him in your own body? DUMB plan!
I don't know about the two last ones, but I don't think Kerrigan and Arthas counts, on account of having the whole arc of "heroes to villains" occur too fast (basically, by act II of their first game appearance, it's done).
Kerrigan was never really evil. Sure she took over the Zerg swarm, killed... lots of people, but it was in an effort to bring about peace in the galaxy, which eventually worked... mostly.
Kerrigan was evil in starcraft 1. All she wanted to do was take over the Swarm for herself and would not hesitate to kill anyone who stand in her way. Kerrigan was the greatest villain of the starcraft series which is why many fan did not like it when Blizzard retcon her character in Heart of the Swarm to a good guy who was only under zerg influence.
@@akumabazooka9169 the real Alex Mercer I'll agree with you on that about, but the character you play as isn't the real Alex Mercer. While I'd definitely agree that he was an anti-hero he still risked his life to save the population of Manhattan from getting nuked
Would Bioshock Infinites Protagonist count as a Hero which also is the villian? Its a bit more complicated , but I would argue that he should count as a villian, after all Comstock is an older version of Booker and we sort of are " fighting" him too.
Or the fourth option like in Haze, where you start off as a villain by shooting a bunch of people, but then swishes side and become a hero... by shooting a bunch of people.
“Watch out for spoilers for the following games” *shows the games* Well I mean it’s too late now you already explained the premise of the video and now showing us these games is just spoiling them.
I’m sorry but what in the actual fuck did you expect from a video titled “7 heroes who lived long enough to become the villain” from a channel named outsidexbox? A video essay on St. Catherine’s foreskin ring?
Not to mention unless you already played the games (in which case spoilers are irrelevant) you would have no clue which characters were the hero turned villain, as Harus pointed out.
Richter Belmont, from the Castlevania series (Symphony of the night to be precise), begins his adventure by doing the casual Belmont stuff of destroying Dracula and saving your girlfriend and her sister, and ended up corrupted by the fact that due to Dracula being gone until 100 years, he is pretty much useless, so he becomes the lord of the castle, get crazy and try to summon Dracula again (ignore the mind control stuff) Oh these miserable little piles of secrets...
Mada Faka Soma Cruz can become dracula in both aria and down of sorrow (bad endings) And in the dos you can fight him Which could be cool But he uses only like 6 souls if we count teleportation and transformation But it is still a good bossfight
He wasn't always a villain. Did you ever play the Bright Lord DLC? He just wanted to save his family and help Middle Earth, but the longer he wore the Ring, the more you could see him becoming evil and power hungry. Celebrimbor at the beginning of the DLC: "The Dark Lord has the One Ring. If I do not stand against him, Middle Earth will fall." Celebrimbor at the end of the DLC: "You have no claim, Deceiver! I AM THE TRUE LORD OF THE RINGS!!!" So yeah, Celebrimbor would've fit into this video.
@@XxRatsarecoolxX more of an anti hero. Heroes don't absorb/canibalize people to heal. There are 2 diferent Alex Mercer. The human Alex was a sociopath. The Virus Mercer saved New york city and maybe the world. In the second he has a massive god complex and wants (for better or worse) to make everybody infected with mercer virus.
How Shay Patrick Cormack from Assassin's Creed Rogue? I think it'd be an interesting addition as you actually play as him throughout his defection from the Brotherhood, and shows that the 'bad guys' of the franchise have their own reasons for thinking they're purpose is just.
/wobbles hand a bit. She isnt really the hero though, she is an npc for another npc to get the hots for then angst over her loss. Remember you dont play as her (beyond a couple missions) you play as a nameless commander operating under their orders generally.
