Surprised Kelcon from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon is not on the list, considering he's gets other powerful shopkeepers to attack you until you reach the next dungeon floor.
@@sleepykittyMMD From what I heard he is set to Lv. 100 hence why he and the other Kelkons are very powerful. Facing one is bad enough but a swarm is worse. Its like fighting dozen of mini bosses at once
Two additional points about the Crypt of the Necrodancer shopkeeper. One: His name is Freddie Merchantry Two: If you kill him, his ghost shows up a few levels later to attack you
First time I killed him it was on accident: Red Dragon breathed fire on him, I was trying to kill it with a bomb, had the bomb charm, killed Freddie, felt Bad. Saw his ghost later on, felt **worst**
Skyrim - "You little theif!" Also Skyrim - "Wow, the inside of this bucket is remarkable! Reality is a joke to me now. Where am I? My shop? I have a shop? No sir, I have an inside of a bucket. Good day Sir.''
And previously in the elder scrolls series, in Daggerfall: Instantly teleported super-guards whenever you steal during day, but... just go to sleep in the shop, wake up in there at night, and then you can steal whatever you like! *clap*
So many people have mentioned Kecleon in Mystery Dungeon that I must point out: not only is he the most powerful Pokemon in the game, he also has like a 0.1% chance of recruitment. Lower than all the Legendaries.
@@Xero_Soul_32 Hermes also tells you Charon isn't mad, if you choose his boon after losing the fight for the first time. It HAS to be the run after the fight. I beat him the first time, so I missed it until late in the game.
What about the Kecleons in the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series? Steal from them, and all the sudden you get swarmed by an army of bloodthirsty Kecleons that know your exact location and are permanently set to the highest speed stat, allowing them to hit multiple times per turn, which they don't even need to since most of the time they can just one hit KO you.
@@sayoriplus3825 Use a Trawl Orb next to the stairs (this option has been removed in Gates to Infinity though). But you can still steal the items and then eat a Pure Seed to teleport to the stairs room.
Fighting Ronald McDonald for a discount would be great, until you remember that Charon's discount only applies to the run where you beat him. If you want the discount again, you'll have to fight him again -- so, if you want 20% off at McDonald's, you'll have to fight Ronald EVERY TIME.
Uhhh... if yall think you can take on Ronald McDonald.. you haven't seen the terrifying force he actually is. Just look at him in Rivals of Aether, him being one of if not the most op character in the game
The Emil fight is much much more. After that initial fight find him out out the caverns and you can fight the REAL super boss of the game. Be sure to have all of weapons fully upgraded to get the true ending!
Right and if you save without getting the correct ending because you didn't upgrade all your weapons before the superboss, you will need to replay and get back to level 99 once more, basically a full restart of the game.
Wait what happens when you don't have all the weapon upgrades? I remember Emil initiating the quest once I had them, is there a way to initiate it yourself?
@@runtergerutscht4401 and if you don't do absolutely everything. You can't kill him at the countdown. Locking you out of the ability to see the super secrete completionist ending. You only get the mostly secrete ending instead.
@@kalin6149 I'm slightly confused. So if you lack all upgrades, you can't kill Emil, so he explodes. Right? So you get the ending and can come back again when you're ready, right? Also what endings, you mean ending E or?
In Twilight Princess, there’s a bird merchant outside the game’s first dungeon who you can effectively steal from, much to his infuriation. Although all he really does is peck at you until you either pay or leave.
Or, even better, since it is technically pay as you want, for 1 rupee, you get the item with no fighting, he does call you a cheapskate until you pay the actual price.
I remember one time I was playing Link's Awakening with a Game Genie, and I had invincibility turned on. I entered the shop after stealing the bow, and since the shopkeeper's beam couldn't harm me, I was soft-locked and had to reset.
The first time I "borrowed" from charon, not knowing what to expect...managed to beat him after losing 3 death defiances 😭 now I just enjoy the record scratch and the ominous turn around to face you
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon DX: If you steal from the Kecleon shop in the dungeon they summon all the other Kecleon there are to swarm the floor and accost you at every opportunity until you find the way out. Or you die. Whichever happens first.
And the game somewhat encourages you to try it (or at least in the original, I haven't looked into if this is the case in DX), because if you manged to beat him he'll join your team.
I'm super surprised that Shopkeeper from One Step From Eden isn't on here! She's a bonkers superboss if you decide to attack her, and you *do* get money if you hit her, so that's technically stealing! You do still have to beat her to be able to play her... or complete the game in true fashion, but still!
I know another instance from the Zelda series, when playing Twilight Princess I forgot to pay the afro bird who sells potions near the forest temple. When I accidentally walked away from the shop, the bird got angry and mauled me to death. When I talked to the bird again, he called me a thief, but I paid him back for the potion and it never happened again. So yeah, refilling the potion from the afro bird without depositing rupees in the little and it'll maul you to death.
Exact same thing happened to me. I left the shop while attempting to figure out how to pay the little bastard. Out of anger for that unnecessary murder of me, I now only pay 1 rupee for anything I buy off him. He won't kill you, just call you a cheapskate.
@@thrasher698 Only three hearts because it was right at the start, running around the area like a lunatic trying to find the money box in the hopes giving money would get the damn thing to stop.
Player : "I wonder how much this costs. Mmm beter take it to the shop keep and ask how much it costs." Oblivion shopkeepers when you pick up a item: "How dare you steal from me gaurds gaurds!!! We have a thief in here. " (Grabs knife and attacks player)
God forbid you steal from a Kecleon in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon. The floor will be immediately swarmed with more Kecleon, and every single one of them can one-shot you
Borderlands The Pre-sequel. There is a part where you think you're gonna have an epic boss fight with the first mate of some pirate crew on a space ship. When he shows up he ends up getting killed by the ship's giant, malfunctioning, automatic doors 😂😂😂😂.
Me when fighting Zant. He was supposed to be creepy in TP, but he was one useless but hilarious son of a gun. Try listening to Stamp on the Ground by Italo Brothers while fighting him. 😂😂😂
Dungeons of Dredmore has a pretty terrifying shopkeeper. Steal from him, and even if you manage to get out you’re going to have an endless swarm of shopkeepers to deal with. It isn’t worth it, even if you kit yourself out with end level gear. Great video, hope you all do a sequel!
I gotta throw in Orlok Dracule from Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night Okay, so he's a Librarian rather than a legitimate shopkeeper, but he does lend you books that will improve your abilities. Take a book too far though, and he will encounter you in a boss battle. This guy is a pain in the butt. He can freeze time, teleport about, and generally make survival aggravating even if you're already so powerful you can delete anything else around you. However, if you beat him, you can return to the Library and then borrow ALL of the books instead of just one, because your display of power makes you the new Librarian.
Not a shopkeeper, but the librarian OD in Bloodstained Ritual of the Night gets pretty touchy if you borrow a certain book into the final dungeon. If you beat him though, you can take and keep all his books with impunity and he has to sit there wearing Groucho Marx glasses as you rack up overdue fees
You forgot to mention the best part! That he's a giant reference to Alucard in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, right down to having the same voice actor!
Andy! You put that haunted doll back where you found it.... underneath the couch in Jane's secret basement laboratory that we all know about and for some odd reason Jane doesn't seem to mind.
Definitely the shopkeeper from "one step from eden". When you're at her place, you can damage her a few times, do it too much and damn, all your progress will plunder to the bottom faster than any other boss in the game. Unfortunately, I learned that the hard way.
Wasn't there a demon you could "buy" stuff from in Castlevania 64? The strange thing is I don't remember my money going down buying from him, but if I remember correctly, "buying" too much from him will result in you having to face him in a boss battle at the end of the game. If that doesn't count, there is the unassuming local guy watching the self service stand in Earthbound's Happy Happy Village. Not a power house, but given that it was a pain to get to the town, if you die to him or the painters there and you didn't save at the store, you're going to have to go back through the valley again. So much for free chicken money.
yes, the "demon merchant" will attack you at the end if you spend something like 30,000 gold throughout the game. i only saw that once, i usually don't need to buy anything but a few extra sun and moon cards.
Yep. Renon the merchant. Spend 30,000+ in his shop, and he fights you right before you take on Dracula. He's just a reskin of the Clock Tower boss, so it shouldn't be too hard.
I never understood why he attacks you for purchasing from him. The contract is for the sale of goods in return for coin of the realm...why is Reinhardt's soul forfeit into the deal?
One Step From Eden, literally named Shopkeeper, will bury you faster than you could say, "Oops." You can even play as her and bury other people before they can start monologuing.
@@jakecarlson3709 You get money after beating her. When you play as her you find out that her cash is her HP, while her general personality is that she loves her money. Given the above, it doesn't seem likely that she'd voluntarily hand over her dosh, which kinda implies you essentially beat her up to steal it from her.
@@jakecarlson3709 Or when you sell her your blood for moola, in the regular shop. Side note, how does she get that blood out of you? Does she have a portable blood donation station out back, or does she just take it back alley style? If she does have a station, was her having it, at that point, a one off event, or does she have a habit of regularly traveling with one in tow? Does she also have cold storage for that blood? And what DOES she do with all that sweet sweet red juice? Does she sell it to a blood bank at a 500% mark-up, or are we about to get a horror spin-off where we find out shopkeep is really a vampire building her own undead Capella dancer army? So many questions!
Another not mentioned aspect of the Crypt of the Necrodancer merchant is that if you do kill him, he won't show up ever again on any subsequent areas for that run, and two areas after the one you kill it in, you will be chased by its ghost. It only has 1HP, goes through walls and moves the same as the original, but you get an achievement for killing him (the ghost, you get no achievement for killing the shopkeeper) Oh, and he's also named Freddy Merchantry. And his ghost is the Phantom of the Shopera. I love this game so much.
Chocobo's Dungeon: Within the dungeon, Death itself is a shopkeeper. Attacking death repeatedly; or by bypassing the entry door, Death goes on a rampage, summoning several other copies of itself and pursuing Chocobo until the player's demise or they escape to the next floor. As a bonus, once Death is in pursuit, you can't even pop a teleport tag in order to warp out of the dungeon.
@@WhatTheVoice Any DS merchant really, I remember accidentaly hitting the mage class vendor in DS1 on my first playthrough, and any time I would get closer to him he would go into murderous rage, which sucked because, guess what my class was ? And the purging stone COST SO MUCH SOULS.
Beedle from Skyward Sword is an interesting one, you can't exactly steal from him, but I'd say dropping you out of his shop because you don't buy anything is pretty violent (what if I just didn't know I didn't have enough rupees, given going inside is the only way to check.)
On the topic of Beedle, Wild Beedle (from Breath of the Wild) will audibly mutter about hiring thieves (or possibly hitmen) to hunt down Link if the hero refuses to trade away an Energetic Rhino Beetle. Never follows through on it though, to my knowledge.
Great video as always! I just feel like pointing out that in the Crypt of the Necrodancer, following the death of the shopkeeper, he won't appear in the next levels, and so you can no longer buy from him on the remainder of the run (I know you said you can't listen to his beautiful voice but it just didn't seem fully transparent). Moreover, you might encounter him as a ghost attacking you on the following levels.
Kecleon from pokemon mystery dungeon if you steal from him a battle ensues and his ability color change gets in the way A LOT plus the entire dungeons floor is covered with more kecleon
I feel like the shopkeep from One Step From Eden deserves a shout-out. Not only does she produce a truely nightmarish attack pattern but if and when you lose to here. She drops an atm on your head to finish you off.
I remember the old dungeon crawler Stonekeep where one level is a dwarven stronghold where you can get some nice stuff as well as barter with the dwarven vendor. You try to take an unpaid item out the door, the vendor will give you a warning. Continue to walk out, every dwarf in the stronghold, including the ones in your party will turn hostile.
I bought Spelunky 2 after watching Luke play it. He didn't exaggerate one bit when he said it's hard. I don't mind a bit of 2D platforming, but it's absolutely bonkers.
I'm playing it right now, got it after Luke's stream! I don't think it's nearly as hard as Luke suggested - just pay attention... to the floor, and the walls, and the roof, and the monsters, and the ghosts, and the timer, and the allies, and your own damn weapons...
@@GriffinWolf That's a big part of a the difficulty. There's so much to keep in mind, and literally everything can kill you, including your own sense of ego and incompetence, in this game.
The grandaddy of hard shopkeepers (and I guess where this trope originated) is in the Rogue/Nethack type of games. Later perpetuated in gamin by the ultima/Questron type of games where having a tough shopkeeper was a must.
Yeah, 4 of the games on this list are Roguelikes drawing direct inspiration from those games. None of them let you train your pet to steal for you consequence free, though, at least as far as I know.
Asidhopo looks angry. Asidhopo wields a wand of death. The beam hits you. You die. Asidhopo gratefully inherits all your possessions. (it's been a while, that might not be completely accurate. But shopkeeps in nethack don't fuck around)
@@gakk8658 the verb was zap, but the outcome is legit. I first discovered this when I had an unknown scroll related accident that broke a lot of merchandise. Keystone cops hijinks ensued.
The Keckleon from Pokemon Mystery Dungeon are horrifying, they deal insane amounts of damage from a distance, multiply like rabbits and chase you relentlessly until you escape the current floor.
Then, DON'T, and I repeat, DON'T steal from the Kecleon Bros. Shop! It's basically like signing your own death warrant right then and there! Also, them multiplying like rabbits, while it is horrifying, along with the whole chasing you relentlessly until you escape the current floor, which sounds like something out of a Pokémon themed horror movie, if you just don't steal from them in the first place, then you can avoid the entire problem! But I do still agree, while stealing from them does turn Pokémon Mystery Dungeon into a horror themed game, with appropriately scary themed music, it is actually possible to beat the Kecleon, and even recruit the shopkeeper. But it's something I've never been able to do, because the only way to even get them to join you is by somehow beating them by either stealing from them and then having to either survive the horrifying rush of Kecleon trying to murder you and your partner Pokémon, and/or the rest of your team, and Kecleon are pretty much the STRONGEST Pokémon in the game, with an 00.1% recruitment rate, which according to another comment, Is even lower than the Legendary Pokémon themselves. And I don't even like Kecleon. But just don't steal from them, and you'll be alright, dude. But Kecleon is most definitely the most horrifying Pokémon in the Mystery Dungeon series. Geez, why wasn't Kecleon a Legendary, if it's recruitment rate was so low, and it's speed Stat was maxed out. Geez, they REALLY wanted to punish Pokémon for stealing, didn't they? Went a bit overboard, I'd say... a simple slap on the wrist would've been enough, not trying to murder us because we may have "accidentally"(maybe, maybe not), stole something. Wasn't us taking said item without paying punishment enough? You didn't have to play scary music, and send your brothers and sisters after me and my Pokémon team; just for taking the ONE item! Holy Crap! And this is why I never steal from any shopkeepers in any games. Because I've seen the horrific experiences me and my fellow Pokémon have had with stealing from the Kecleon shop, and the terrifying music that plays. But if you do steal, make sure you use an Escape Orb or whichever item and get out of there, if you have to steal something, I mean.
Kiwi the bird shop keep from twilight princes is also formidable, he’ll stop attacking you once you pay. Though you will be relentlessly pecked all the way up to the tip/payment box
Pokemon mystery dungeon. Kecleon will multiply and kill you with easy in the early game and late game. It is an easy way to to find a shiny kecleon though.
To those that don't know, the guy that voiced the shopkeeper in Crypt of the Necrodancer has a RU-vid channel where you can hear his singing all day long
The Keckleon shop in the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series is the most terrifying shop I have ever seen. Stealing from their dungeon shop is horrifying, trying to RECRUIT Keckleon is even worse.
It would be nice if you guys could use a different color for the background, falling asleep at night the white is so harsh even when I turn the brightness and contrast down.
The shopkeeper in Link's Awakening is clearly abusing his monopoly by charging outrageous prices for the Bow and Arrow, rather than industry standard. So who's the REAL thief, hmmmmm?
Kecleon Bros, from Mystery Dungeon. In hindsight I should have expected someone who regularly travels dungeons alone with valuable items to be able to protect them.
What about the gun store owner from Ammu-Nation in GTA V? He blows your head of if you flinch at him. Or even the shopkeepers that when you least expect it pull out an Ak on your ass during a stick up.
One Step From Eden's shopkeep! I shot her once on accident, never again XD she turns into a scary red-eyed vampire girl, has WAY more health than any of the bosses I've made it to, and gets even stronger the further you get into the run, so it's better to fight her when youre low level with next to nothing X_×
@@Mrbuttonsup Not sure, I learned that from other comments but I'd wager it's whatever you, the Player, gives to her during a run before fighting her, since some comments mentioned she's easier at the beginning of the game.
Kecleon from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series was the first thing on my mind when i read the title. Not including them in this list is almost as criminal as stealing from them to begin with!
I still have nightmare of that time as a kid when I forgot to pay Kecleon in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, and he summoned his entire species to end my life.
To be fair, I can't fault the barkeep in BioShock Infinite since you're supposed to be helping them at that point. He's not the only one who gets pissed if you steal or go where you shouldn't. There's a shopkeeper up in the Soldier's Field (I think) area and if you steal there you start that fight early. Same with the area in Shantytown (that bit of Finkton y'all were in) near the bar. If you walk past the guys standing around a table to get the infusion (I think it's an infusion there), they also get mad and start shooting. If you do that before the bar area, then that makes them hostile before you even get there. Considering that there's friendly fire when helping the Vox, I usually end up attacked no matter what I have or haven't done. I make heavy use of the Murder of Crows vigor, but as a result, the still-flying crows on return from Shantytown will attack the Vox and then the game reprimands me for attacking my allies. 1) they weren't there when I used that vigor the first time on the Columbia security forces. 2) they walked into said flying crows on their own. 3) you could make the crows dissipate when I leave the area. 4) maybe don't let my attacks harm my allies then. Oh, and 5) those crows shouldn't even be there still since I went through a tear in a different Columbia; or was it just the machinery disappearing that changed? Pretty sure it's a different Columbia entirely given what Elizabeth says about it Given that there are absolutely no consequences for killing in the game and by the end of the game everyone and their mother is trying to kill me, I don't feel too bad when fights kick off early because I needed ammo, salts, health, and/or money. I finished my 5th (I think) run of Infinite not long ago, and this vid makes me want to start a 6th run. I'm glad y'all used the music from when Elizabeth shows Booker the doors and all. It's my favorite bit of music from the game. Edit: I wouldn't say I wouldn't want to steal from the Infinite shopkeepers because they get violent. I mean, they do, but they cause nowhere near the trouble most of the rest on this list do. Easy enough to shoot everyone coming at you and they don't respawn.
The lack of Kecleon from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon on this list is offensive. If you try to steal from him, or even don’t have enough to purchase what you want, he basically one shots you. You can recruit him as a partner, but you have to defeat him first, and he seems to have near infinite health.
Shocked to see a distinct lack of Kecleon from the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon spin offs on this list! Now that was one shopkeeper who you very quickly regret stealing from!
Vagante's shop keeper is another man quick to defend his merchandise. If you manage to steal from him undetected and leave to the next level, you will see him angrily follow you too. You have about 10-15 seconds until he emerges from the beginning of the said level until he hunts you down, and every shop keeper after that will be immediately hostile on sight. Unless you're good at kiting him or can use the spike traps in the Catacombs to one shot him, he's difficult to deal with. There's a few cheese strats you can do but they're somewhat situational.
I don't know if anyone's played this, But Wizardry, Tale of the Forsaken Land has a Shop in it where literally if you try to steal from them You are dragged back into the store and confronted with the hardest enemies in the game as Security. And they keep coming until you die.
I discovered the one of Enter The Gungeon while playing with a friend. The absolute dolt thought It'd be funny to try a new gun on the shoopkeep, leading to my death trying to survive the bullet hell
Nobody ever talks about the shopkeepers in Skyrim...where they throw some fire or electricity at you if they just so happen to spot you taking something without talking to them to buy...
Fun fact about the necrodancer merchant. There is a mimic version of him that will attack you on sight and absolutely wreck your shit for no reason whatsoever. That surprised me when I met him. A LOT
This would be a perfect list for something I learned about recently, which is Sylvan from FTL Multiverse. Will absolutely destroy your ship if you’re not prepared
I remember planning heists from Kecleon merchants in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Ocean's Eleven-style. That meant putting together a high-level team capable of chaining super-effective moves (Kecleon constantly matched its type with the latest attack) and preferably clipping through walls, stocking up on paralysing and speed-enhancing items (Kecleon moved 4 times per turn), and exploring the whole floor before doing the deed - and occasionally I still got steamrolled. Video game childhood trauma at its finest.
Funny thing about Bello, there are Payday items that can only be unlocked by stealing them from his shop when they spawn there. They are priced at 9999 so buying them isn't an option. Best part is while they can be stolen via normal methods, you can also 'go loud' by firing in the shop and the Payday items will be left behind for you to take.
The shopkeeper in the lost library of ancient dungeon VR can absolutely kick your ass if attacked. It spawns laser drones, fires a laser of it's own, and teleports after being attacked, so I'm kinda surprised it isn't here
Great list as always aside from Charon. Sure he gets pissed off and fights you in a hard encounter but you do get gold and that discount card, so most often than not, you'd always WANT to steal from him given the chance.
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon’s dungeon shopkeepers. I once put one item down on their shop and then picked it back up after getting rid of something else… I don’t think I made it to the exit. They are relentless and will chase you through levels iirc. So you better have an escape rope or a death wish.
I feel like a semi-important detail in NecroDancer was left out - namely, that when you kill the merchant, he has a chance of appearing as an angry ghost in the following stages of a level, & is only slightly less capable of kicking your ass. Also you can't buy anything from him in the stages after his death, because apparently the time it took you to walk down some stairs was enough for him to move, re-stock his shop & warm up for the next song
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (any version) Kecleon chases after you if you steal from them in the dungeon and they're almost always a OHKO. And if they do knock you out you lose ALL of your inventory.
Man, I love the Emile fight. Mostly because the ending to the quest chain had me in tears after playing the original Nier and I remember Emile’s sacrifice.
One Step from Eden has one of the most ridiculous shopkeeper fights. While often many shopkeepers have a gimmick you can use aganist, that one puts you on edge as he is one of the hardest boss fights among other already challenging bosses. Not to mention the difficulty rises as game progresses, but if you defeat them early on (somehow), you lose opportunity to have useful shopkeeper later on.
seeing this makes me want to see a parody game/online skit of a group of gaming Shop Keepers forming a Super Sentai like team and utterly decimating the ultimate evil in the universe pathetically easy only to ponder "what now?"