And its the biggest piece of shit in the history of pieces of shit. The report you read is completley biased and designed to justify spending good money after bad being continued developement costs, instead of adopting the rifle the soldiers want, being the M4. It's a similiar story to the M14, and its biased political based procurement. Having used both, the styer just stops, my M4 never malfunctioned in 5 years of having the same rifle. You would think that a piston would be more reliable, but with the styer its just not, mainly due to the numerous openings around its operating rods. It is also unduly heavy despite its use of polymer, which is an indication that it has no place on the battlefield. While nicely balanced, its length of pull decreases is pointiness. It is seriously a shit rifle. 😶
@@dansmith9724 Lol yeah..."Fosters: Australian for tourist beer." And yet somehow when I was there as an actual tourist I'm not even sure I saw any Fosters. Certainly didn't drink any...there was plenty of actual good locally-made beer available. I guess it's like Outback Steakhouse. Something terrible sold to us Americans under the guise of "well it's bad because like outback or something..."
@@huntercook6605 Bud, Australia doesn't have beer. If you want beer you've got to go to Yorkshire and get something like a Theakstons Old P or maybe a Directors Bitter down south - or any one of the locally brewed beauties that are drunk at room temperature. Aussie beer is marginally better than that American flavoured water, sorry flavored water designed for a hot climate. (You started it!)
I've served in the NZ Army for over ten years, including the LMT MARS-L era, and the Steyr. Between that and working in a large gun shop I've extensively used both configurations. (Probably tens of thousands in AUG's and thousands in AR's.) My preference is the Steyr, I'll try to bottom line it. Steyr Upsides - Ergonomically far far better, balance is better, safety/selector is better, cocking handle is better (and allows you to fully use the rifle without removing the master hand) You can have a 20" barrel 1:7 twist rifle shorter than a 16" AR, its a very comfortable package with a 20" barrel. Cheek weld/eye relief is good.. Short stroke gas piston is good. Barrel swapability is a cool feature. IMO the rifle takes down easier, with less small shit to lose. AR Upsides. Mag changes are faster and easier, no 2 ways about it. (more below) You can fire ambidextrously (more below) LOP adjustment in a modern AR Aftermarket and part support The trigger, its not that a factory (esp milspec AR trigger is good, its just that the steyr's is pretty damn average from factory.) Upper swaps are very cool, especially caliber to caliber. Though you could do this with an AUG if someone bothered to develop barrels and bolts. Notes; Ambi firing, I never found this to be an issue, the only time you'll really be firing with your offhand is CQB, and I found a perfectly acceptable solution, when shooting lefty (im right handed) yto turn the steyr on its side so the ejection port faced down, and sight down the barrel. I could instinctively shoot passibly out a decent distance like this. Mag changes, the AR is better, but the steyr is not nearly as bad as some people say, a lot of channels/videos (even at 12:00 in this video) show someone struggling with AUG mags, this is usually cause they arent used to it, and if you take a former Aussie or NZ Army Steyr user they will be damn quick at mag changes (I'm maybe only a few tenths slower with an AUG than an AR) I've heard people say that the AUG doesnt allow you to easily see into the chamber to check stoppages... this is false, not only can you see by simply turning the rifle, I got to the point where I could feel what type of stoppage I had through how the rifle felt in my cheek.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the AUG have to possibility to change the ejection port from right to left? It's been a lot since my last time with it, but i vaguely remember something like that
Also @Maledetto yes James mentions this in the video... for CQB tho you’re not going to take the time to switch the ejection port out if you have to quickly switch from right to left handed, or vice versa.
reloading below the shoulder is bad ergonomics. Regardless of how well you can reload your AUG I will always have to upper hand with the AR platform. When it comes to combat il take the faster reloading gun because its has always been a fatal error on the battlefield ever since gun powder rifles were used. So overall for combat use the AR is the best pick. That is why most NATO countries are adopting the new AR platform and we will continue to see them even while going over to the 6,5mm.
in government documenting you do usually scan both sides in case of hand written notes added to the official copies. learned that one in a research class on why it happens in a lot of government reports. and yea, its annoying and makes files 2x the size they need to be.
As a former instructor of this weapon, try cocking the action with an underhand grip instead of an overhand finger thumb pinch grip. i.e with the palm up, grasp the cocking handle with the joint of the two smaller fingers of the left hand. This makes it easier to lock the action to the rear as well. Try it, you will understand why when you do. You won''t catch your thumb against the receiver either.
I'm a solid M4 guy. I read the Australian Army report discussed in this video and it didn't hurt my feelings. Instead I was thrilled to find such a huge taxpayer-funded science fair project dripping with data. I still think the M4 is a better gun, but there's empirical evidence in favor of the AUG in this video that adds value to the discussion. Gun owners in general can be gigantic buttpussies about what they feel like is an attack on their favorite platform. It's pearl clutching that is unheard of in other circles except for, possibly, automobiles. But no one is trying to take away your right to own automobiles, either. Whether it's AR vs. AK, M14 vs. FAL, MP5 or MPX, freaking Ruger Mk vs. Browning Buckmark - embrace your fellow gun owner. Even if he is a piece of shit AK-47 fan. This isn't made to "trigger" anyone. It's a video that discusses seven aspects (really 6) of the AUG that favor it against the AR-15, as determined by people who know a lot more about guns - or at least engineering - than we do. And I'm willing to bet there's another report out there saying the M4 is better than the AUG in every possible facet. Watch the video. Love the video. It's about guns. - James
@@TheRealOriginalDiegoM I did, and I also consider Karl a good friend of mine. I don't get your point. I just said I think the M4 is a better gun about 10 times in the video in addition to the comment you just replied to. Looking at the other side of the discussion instead of getting upset about it, If you download the Australian Army report, they give a very detailed breakdown of the amount of clay and sand in each tank of mud. It also involved complete submersion in testing media versus dumping a shovel of quik-crete caliber desert mud right on the operating components. I'm not going to say whose test is better, only that both of them sound equally pointless.
As an ex New Zealand soldier and ex Australian police tactical operator, I have used both weapons extensively… the Steyr wins hands down… you mentioned the primary reasons… balance, ergonomics and reliability. I am also a massive fan of being able to conduct all IA drills keeping the master hand on the weapon…. Tactically superior.
Allround better animal than the glorified seagull the US revere... theres a reason we have the kangaroo: its a tough bastard of an animal and is physically incapable of taking a backward step.
@@Explosivefox109 Circa 1986, the army brand was cross swords and kangaroo. The 'hat badge' was the rising sun. Symbology is everything. The hat badge of the Royal Australian Regiment is Crossed SMLEs to remember our heritage, a boomerang to signify we always come back, kangaroo because it never take a backward step, laurels for glory and the crown on top because we serve the Queen.
Jasper Cochrane they probably have some data on it as I’m sure they tested it in multiple environments but long term use in the field and ensuring a throughout feedback response is always the best field testing not some spec driven check off these points system and calq a percentage designed by some bureau members somewhere... All this to say, I bet the Irish had unique observations as well
From what I remember the the Irish Defence Forces tested the Steyr AUG A1, FAMAS, Galil, FN FNC, M16A2, HK33 and L85A1, with the Steyr coming out as the winner.
This whole video sounds like a conversation I had with my wife. "It may seem shorter than you are used to hunny, but i think its better looking. Plus i swear it performs just as well, If not better!"
Anatomically speaking that makes zero sense because a penis technically extends into the body behind the balls, meaning it's all bull-pup from the start......
F4TSNIP3R id think the trigger would be the pp since you have to stimulate it. The prostate is more like the magazine, and the urethra is the barrel. So, it really is a bullpup.
"If you're left handed because your mother was a witch..." JUST as I take a sip of coffee - right out my nose. Thanks for the hot coffee nasal cleanse, James!
Not left handed but left eye dominant so shoot from the left. Didnt know until i got onto the range and missed every shot. Bosun gave me a left handed rifle and my accuracy improved significantly. Just a matter of changing the bolt to a left handed bolt. Problem solved.
We used the Steyr AUG when I served in the New Zealand Army. I thought it was the weirdest looking rifle I ever saw. Immigrated to America in 2014 and I couldn't believe the asking price of a Steyr. They are reliable, but I prefer the FN L1A1.
@@beardedbjorn5520 i am a serving nz soldier and took part in the trial for a replacement for the aug. the Hk 416 was my preferred choice if we couldn't retain the steyr but due to our army always making stupid decisions they went with the cheapest option and least like by those who took place in the trail the ar15 platform from LMT and called it the mars-l. they didin't want to follow suit with the ozzys and adopt the new steyr despite us always working along side them and always piggy back off their logistics train.
As an Australian Army War Veteran, I've worked with the M4 and F88 (AUG), I can confirm this rifle is incredible! The AR platform is good but not as good as the Steyr.
@@ulcam64 Effective range is 300 meters unmodified, accuracy is top notch at those ranges and below. Trigger isn't as sensitive as I would personally prefer. Source: An Ex-Australian Army Sapper. P.S- I'm a left handed witch-mothered.
@@ulcam64 47 mill 5 round grouping when i was a recruit only 2 months into training the best was 27 mill and that was a woman that held the record in kapooka in Wagga Wagga... That is achievable with 1.5 times magnification battle sight. With the range depends on the shooter and scope upgrade to X magnification 900 to 1200 depending on the shooter. As a grunt we used to secretly adjust the sight when zeroing so the bottom of the circle and vertical line was zeroed as a cross hair... as the donut had no cross hair ya just put the torso inside the circle evenly spaced and when ya squeeze the target was always hit...Trigger pressure was as good as any...
@@cestrellfrostmuurne1774 Half right CF,the subject is the selection process for the Australian military,and the rifles were manufactured at Lithgow in Australia after acceptance.The twist is,the factory was later sold to a French company Thales,cunning move by the politicians there,sell a strateigic asset to a foreign power,not quite as dumb as leasing Darwin port to the chineese !
@@CKshouta what makes AK seceptible to mud is exactly what makes it great in freezing weather. its one or another, ARs cant survive in those temperatures
I have deployed to Afghanistan with Aussies. They love that rifle and think we are stupid for carrying an M4. I noticed how compact the AUG was when we loaded and unloaded from, vehicles and aircraft. Shout out to my Favorite Aussie Major J. Law.
As a AUG boy with over 10k rounds its still my go to gun if I was deployed. I just wish Lithgow would release their F90 Atrax. It's the Cadillac of all the AUGs
I had the AUG assigned to me for over 10 years using it in chilly wet weather conditions in the NW USA, and it was flawless, except when changing mags heavy handed. No slapping or excessive force when seating a fresh mag, or there could be double feeding problems; however, I have not heard of this being a modern day AUG problem. I've been retired for quite a while now, and I miss an AUG so much, that I will be acquiring one ASAP. I'll just have to live without the 3 shot burst capability...... oh well, can't have everything. Thanks for the great info James! .
ya i was wondering if we were gonna see him quite literally sprawled out on the ground in hot-pants. he could use a shave (legs), but it wasn't that bad.
I've been running a suppressed AUG (A1 version) for almost thirty years. Reliability is not an issue. DB sound reduction is not great compared to most other .223 rifles but this depends on configuration. In semi automatic mode, yes, the AUG will have noise escaping through the gas port, you will still get a good bit of a "crack". What I do to avoid that is to switch the gas port switch to "GB". That is the grenade launch setting. That bypasses the gas system. I still get a bit of a "crack" out the gas port but not as much. The thing you have to remember is that the threads on the AUG muzzle are left handed- you would have to change that or make an adapter if you wanted to use the same suppressor. Obviously in GB mode you have to manually cycle the bolt but for casual plinking, not a big deal. Whenever I take it to a public range it is like I showed up in a Lambo, a real head-turner.
IMO One key piece of that test is how quickly rapid fire gassed you (and a few other appropriately distanced test subjects) out. This is the ONLY place piston beats DI in my estimation. All the torture tests we see, DI serves to help clear debris *Marginally* from the action by blowing gas into it. With a piston gas is vented elsewhere.
Ayyy Austrian guy here... i have to say i love the AUG. I had the pleasure to use the AUG A1 (Stg77 A1) while in the army and even though the guns we got were in a kind of questionable condition i was convinced that this is one of the best 5.56 assault rifles currently fielded by any military. but i wonder why the australians hat so much success with the mud and dust tests. because Karl and Ian at Inrange TV's AUG did much worse, while the M16 got very good results. anyway great video, i'm looking forward to the next one!
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Also I wonder if it wasn't for the charging handle it would've worked. Plus we don't know how much mud and sand was in the buckets the army testing did so that wheel barrel inrange used might've been equivalent to the 6.
Also when the adf did the testing I wonder if they closed the dust cover because if it wasn't for the dust cover I think the ad 15 would do a lot worst.
To be fair to Karl & Ian, the dirt found in American Southwest that they are using for their mud tests is more like a very fine, powdered clay. It's the same stuff you make adobe bricks out of with straw. I could not think of the worst soil for a firearm. Even dry dust gets in every crevice of your weapon. So it's probably a good measuring stick for a tough test. So until somebody wants to ship Ian about 3 cubic yards of soil from France to conduct testing on WW2 era rifles, the kindest take away you can have is don't drop your rifle in an Arizona monsoon, or this will happen.
Those mud test are interesting, meanwhile at InRange the AUG is choking every time. I wonder what the story here is to cause this difference in results
@@bosknight7837 Doesn't explain how the same mud that choked the AUG was no more than a minor inconvenience to the AR. The answer is probably American mud allowing the American design to be superior, obviously.
Magazines may be part of the problem. I heard of shitty mags being a problem from my grandfather in Vietnam for the m16. I never really had "huge" problems with my M4 when I was in the Army. Political fuckery is a huge deal too. Military boys tried to sabotage the M16 back in the Vietnam days. Could be a problem here too. I personally dont buy the Aussie testing results.
@@jprracing1 the stimulus can be whatever you want it to be. But yeah agreed, Green-Guns should be tax free it's all about staying healthy in these times.
I have owned an AUG 2 for many years. It is my favorite for one reason, it feels better in my hands. VERY comfortable. In every other way, I find it the equal to the AR-15/M-16/M4 platform. Mag changes, took me 1 month of use to get just as fast with the AUG as I am with the AR-15/M-16/M4. (Yes, I own them all and LOVE them!)
@@petethebastard Larry Vickers is actually right handed. He is left eye dominant so he prefers to shoot rifles left handed SO TECHNICALLY his mother was not a witch. Gun Jesus is alone in this insult.
As someone who has used the AUG in the military, I can without a doubt say that it is one of the most underrated gun in present time! Great video, keep up the good content!
@@kevinh4869 the L85A2 isn't actually bad though. They fixed all the problems the L85A1 had. The only problems it still has now is the excess weight and so-so ergonomics. It's just that internet armchair (American) gun nerds can't differentiate between A1 and A2.
@@commoncents5645 I'm not quite sure, I don't think it was ever made for the civilian/export market. I think the only way to really use one would be to join the Military
@@Leo___________ They got rid of the only polymer part, the handgaurd, now it weighs even more. As if a 5.56 that weighs more than the SLR wasn't bad enough, but hey, the LDS is pretty good.
9Hole Reviews shot both the Tavor and the AUG from 100 yards to 500 yards, the AUG beat the Tavor by a great margin. Take my comment with a pinch of salt, I'm an AUG dude afterall.
@@mr.normalguy69 Depends rifle to rifle I think, my Tavor always gives me better groups than my AUG. I'm a sucker for all things bullpup, grab any I can get hold of, and out of all of them the Tavor is the one I find to be the most comfortable and reliable, but again preferences vary and you may have different results
From what I remember the the Irish Defence Forces tested the Steyr AUG A1, FAMAS, Galil, FN FNC, M16A2, HK33 and L85A1, with the Steyr coming out as the winner.
The rear two thirds or so (behind the foregrip) are partially exposed through cutouts in the receiver. I wouldn't say it's unshrouded in the same way as the free-floated barrel in my TRG or on an m4 with a modern handguard though.
Hey mate, great presentation. The Styre AUG recently went through an upgrade and makes it more versatile and resilient. I'm currently inactive having served full time and reserve, and posted to 29 Palms for a stint, I'm just saying the upgrade is worth a look. Thanks for your synopsis. PS I like M 16 for its adaptable attachments and more recently the upgrade calibre.
At basic training my corporal said the m4 was the “barbie doll” of rifles since you could put anything on it. Maybe that’s why the New Zealand army has switched to an ar15 platform in recent years to replace their augs.
The new Ar platform we use has a 4 sided picatinny handguard which is super rough times hold hard to grip properly.. so if we're just talking "how much shit can you attach to the rifle", sure it looks great on paper but it's actually a pig to use and I'd rather a short, comfortable, smooth, hella reliable weapon, regardless if it don't have that match grade trigger etc look in terms of on the field and fighting you're looking for different strengths. People keep citing in range's test as gospel, but even though they're experienced weapon experts, this video is about military application and inrange's test was based on a civilian mindset.
I happened to be in the army when it was adopted, so I used both the L1A1 7.62mm weapon, and then also the Steyr AUG. The Steyr weapon we used did not have a top rail, it had a permanently moulded 1.5 X power telescopic sight, with a red dot centre. Also had a bayonet, which looked fancy on parades, and was another thing to clean. My 10 shot grouping at 100 meters dropped from 115mm to 23mm, moving from the L1A1 to the Steyr AUG. That's 345mm to 79mm, scaled to 300 meters. That's the difference between a centre of mass body shot, and a head shot, at 300 meters range. At 100 meters, it the difference between a headshot, and shooting someone in a specific eye. The accuracy increase was mostly due to the 1.5 x scope, the lighter weight making it easier to hold still, and also the way the weapon could be supported at both the front and rear, effectively making it operable from a bench rest. You can sit the rear magazine on the earth, and sit your bunched fist under the front grip, also resting on earth. that way, your breathing is taken out of the equation. A very accurate weapon indeed, in my experience. It also had translucent hard plastic magazines, allowing an easy estimation of how many rounds were remaining. The M16s we tested were in very poor condition, left over from the Vietnam era. They were junk in about every way, but it was not a fair test of that weapon platform, given their condition.
Louis Levesque thier mud test destroys all guns almost immediately. It doesn't represent a normal environment any more than 100 rnd mag dumps till failure. But its interesting to note the reliability of a system under that circumstance. You can learn from it. Ars can fail miserably for simple reasons. Gas tubes blow extremely quickly in ars. Doesnt mean its not a great gun, just excels in some way and sucks in others. Surprised at the results they got in this video given in ranges results. Curious. 🤔
Adam Coughlan Ar15s pass the mud tests. And they used to crawl through a mud pit but that wasn’t seen as repeatable. The results to that more realistic test were similar.
@@jason200912 the AR only passes somewhat (they give it huge benefit of the doubt saying it was a success even though it failed - Karl is also extremely biased), and that is due to the dust cover and extremely tight tolerances vs the mud they are testing.
Kel-Tek's RDB has a pretty good trigger and is fully ambidextrous. The action is sort of a bitch to get to like with the F2000, and the adjustable gas is a common point of user error. Overall pretty good gun for ~$800.
From this left handed, witch-mothered Australian, thanks for an excellent post. This is my first visit to your channel. It certainly won't be the last.
How many AR's were you able to buy for what the AUG cost? I'd say it's at least two, maybe three. Because the Aussie government, with unlimited tax money, wasn't comparing rounds-fired-before-failure to purchase cost, they missed an important metric for us ordinary folks who have to buy our own guns.
The EF88 (F90) Austeyr is the most current platform in the Australian Army, slight differences in this model is barrel is attached to the receiver and a bolt release catch is added to allow quicker emergency reloads! Love using it as my standard is rifle!
After using it years in the army, I still can’t decide which one I like more. With the Corvus Defensio Evolution Kit, the AUG has now a pretty nice increased performance. Greetings from 🇦🇹 were Glock and Steyr is from 😁
@@Stevemoto701 die ganze Welt weißt immer ja das es eines österreichischen waffen ist. Aber ich bin gar nicht ein Österreichischer ich bin Niederländer aber Deutsch war mein dritter zahl
I heard that at one point the UK military was considering the AUG as the new bullpup but decided to get all Nationalistic and go for the SA80 instead. That worked out well ... What I love about the AUG is the simplicity of design. There is no part of the gun that doesnt have to be there. Its like the worked out the simplest, most effective bullpup mechanics, then wrapped the least amount of plastic around it, just to give people something to hold onto. Great design.
Child, I had been out of the USMC for 10 years in 1985. I served with some Aussies in Vietnam, good folks who could drink a bull under the table ;>). I am not an M16 fan. Even the crappy AK is a better battle rifle.
I've used this heaps and I can say its amazing! The ONLY downside is that the donut sight is terrible. thats why we now use the EF88 Steyr with an elcan sight- its a god sent weapon.
The Army never thought to do a swim test. It took a while to figure out that if a combat diver swam with it at depth it would only fire the chambered round and lock up. It then needed to be stripped and emptied of water. The ADF swapped out the Steyr rifles in the Clearance Diving Teams for M4’s in the early 2000’s.
@@jimmyrecard6021I can see it being relevant for the navy or marines (or their equivalent in other countries. I know the UK has the royal marines but I've no idea if Australia does) if they need to do an amphibious landing or river crossing where they may need to ditch their watercraft
@Vic Marrotti Yeah, I grew up with a gay friend who went on to spent quite a bit of time in Iraq and Afghanistan with USMC. Get in this century please.
The only thing i dispute with the AUG is the price of the thing for that reason and that reason alone I pick the S&W M&P SPort 2. Still in my opinion the best rifle money can by for a civilian.
I have an A1 and A3, they are some of my favorite guns. I will add, after shooting both in full auto at Battlefield Vegas, the AUG was hard to keep on target VS the AR. The AUG I shot had feeding issues and the range officer told me that it was a common occurrence. I remember reading that the Australian military was told to never use the full auto feature.
weird never heard of this issue and always heard the opposite about full auto. The Aug should be more controllable, but maybe that is coming from a trained perspective. As for the battlefield vegas issue, there are many forums about the AUG in which they chime in touting the Aug's reliability. The Aug you fired may have been on its last leg after its 20,000th round and due for a new extractor which can be replaced in seconds not so much a comment occurrence unless you neglect maintenance.
No problems with the AUG in full auto have been using them for many years putting thousands of rounds down range for years paid for by the tax payers. Only problems i have seen if the magazines are bad rare with styer mags or if someone isnt able to load it.
I bought my AUG A3/M1 ~3 weeks ago and my friend showed me this video. I'm glad to know I own such a high quality gun. Sadly I haven't been able to shoot it yet since I'm waiting for my leftie bolt to show up from Optics Planet
I served in the Austrian army where the Steyr AUG is used as the service rifle. I was simply blown away by how easy it was to handle it. I had never shot a rifle or pistol before my time in the army but hitting a moving target at 300 meters down the line was absolutly no problem at all.
Former Australian Army, left handed shooter here, between the mags being tough as nails..no dents, no worries, my favorite memories of the F88 as we called it was range shoot days, the bloke to my left copping hot brass from both sides.. I'm not tall..so it was a very handy rifle that was light and quick and easy to clear and clean.. Select fire with a progressive trigger wait a full auto lockout plunger on the bottom of the trigger itself was my only concern..dirt would make it hard to manipulate if allowed to get between the metal button and plastic trigger it was part of. Summing up.. for "Tupperwear" it was pretty good.
3 reason the ar is better than the AUG 1: Option to skeltonize for a possible weight of less than 7 lbs loaded. 2: Caliber versatility and parts versatility. 3: A big one; Cost...
KiagoDangerous small army, the Aug is better. Very big army, M4 is better. Huge army the AK is best. Money is a serious issue, and very big armies have very big bills.
KiagoDangerous 1. AUG weight is in the back so it’s not a problem to shoot with one arm 2. You don’t need parts if the gun works 3. Is a self defeating argument, you admit m16 is worse. But even that, I don’t think AR15 would be that cheap if military didn’t purchase like millions of them. If we can compare prices with civilian versions i think they actually very similarly priced. 4. I like the AR just as much, just that no gun is cooler than an AUG in white.
J M Archer it wasn’t cheap as far as manual labour to produce, but rather they paid their manufacturers, (employees) very poorly and the assembly required less skill to make the gun functional. (They used jigs and engineered it so nearly unskilled and almost unpaid workers did the actual building). The AK itself is probably a bit more expensive to build then the Aug or AR unless you have massive factories and a massive work pool to do the work. Israel spends more to build their Galil then M16’s and at least those who did mandatory service actually preferred the Galil, (I know 8 guys who did their service including a man who actually stayed in and gained some rank over his 20 years and they all disliked the M16).
@@ivancorey7389 Yeah, we can own a variety of semi automatic rifles in Austria, including the Steyr AUG and AR-15, however we need a licence for it, which you can only obtain if you meet certain criteria like you have to pass a psychological test and your criminal record needs to be in order. It's easy to receive that licence, but Austrian guns laws are a little strange and strict. Your can only have 2 semi automatic firearms and if you want to buy more, you have to contact the authorities and it's their decision whether they allow you to buy more firearms or not. In Austria pump actions shotguns are illegal for any civilian, regardless of what licence you have, however semi automatic shotguns can be legally owned with the above mentioned licence, which also makes no sense. As per Austrian law, EVERY semi automatic rifle is illegal, unless the authorities legalize them after evalation, that means for example you can buy AR-15s, but only from one or two different manufacturers as these are the only models the authorities evaluated and legalized. And these manufacturers are Austrian or German ones you probably never even heard of, like Oberland Arms.
