7 Reasons Why the AR-15/M4 is Better than the Steyr AUG

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In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves goes over seven reasons that the AR-15/M-16/M4 carbine is better than the Steyr AUG bullpup. Based on James' personal experience owning both guns in addition to a 2018 weapons trial report by the New Zealand Ministry of Defense, James tells you how the M4 is better than the AUG.
James has compiled the sources he consulted on the Firearm Blog. Click here for the complete reports: www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...
SOURCES:
Soldier Perspective on Small Arms in Combat:
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New Zealand Ministry of Defense Major Projects Report:
2018: www.defence.govt.nz/assets/pu...
The Cove, "The Human Factor Part 2: SF Cast A Long Shadow"
cove.army.gov.au/article/the-...
Additional Reading on M4 Reliability in Combat:
New York Times, "Examining the Complaints About American Rifle Reliability"
By C.J. CHIVERS
atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...
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@GruntBurger 4 года назад

Why the Aug is better: barrel longer guys Why the ar is better: Lawyer mode engaged

@johns3655 4 года назад

M16 a1-3 " am I a joke to you?"

@gregoryedwards9790 4 года назад

@@1014p When I was issued an M16A4 in the Marine Corps it did have a burst option as well as single. FWIW. Although we didn't use burst much unless training. I still preferred to use single when I needed it.

@MrBsct 4 года назад

Barrel length means jack if you have good ammo. I'd take a Mk18 10 inch barrel with 77 Grain over any bullpup with a 16 inch barrel.

@trentf4891 3 года назад

@@MrBsct 77 grain performs better from a 16" barrel at longer distance just like everything else.

@robertwilson8184 3 года назад

@@MrBsct That's not really how terminal ballistics works. Pretty much any round, when used with the appropriate twist rate, will benefit from a longer barrel. Some more than others, sure, and depending on application mobility/maneuverability might be more important than ballistic performance. But this doesn't negate the science in itself. It just means you have a "good enough" point with respect to terminal ballistics.

@HK-417- 4 года назад

Yeah the Australian army had a lot of data but we also lost a war against emus so you shouldn't trust us

@33Luger 4 года назад

Well played Sir! (Golf clap)

@revejmal 4 года назад

Best comment imo

@zacharyfett2491 4 года назад

😂🤣😂🤣

@Treblaine 4 года назад

That's because they didn't have AUGs. On the other hand AUG didn't beat John McClane so by my flawless logic... John McClane can take on the entire Australian army. Die Hard Down Under.

@tjbarke6086 4 года назад

Can't really blame you for that... Emus are unstoppable...

@Teddy_______ 4 года назад

I think New Zealand doesn’t like it... because Australia DOES like it....

@RockSolitude 4 года назад

I get that feeling too

@Calaman228 4 года назад

Yeah they fkin hate each other 🤣

@Phil_1909 4 года назад

like Brothers, one bigger&older and a smaller&angrier one :D

@Kruegernator123 3 года назад

The Irish love their AUGs too. It's probably that the Kiwis don't have the money to refurbish them unlike Australia or Austria.

@Glennefox 3 года назад

New Zealand folk have the Australians and would never like what they have. Plus the Australian army has money! They can buy based on preference not what is cheaper

@NiteshKumar-tn8xt 4 года назад

"These are just tools" Bruh Have you ever met tool guys? They'll borderline kill somebody over a Milwaukee vs Dewalt argument

@michaelblacktree 4 года назад

The real tools are the guys arguing. 😛

@Aksbug90 4 года назад

Don't talk shit about DeWalt...just kidding. I don't care if it gets the job done. Fan boys live in every realm

@jordo641 4 года назад

@@Aksbug90 Milwaukee beats if you can find it for $200 off in a pawn shop

@Aksbug90 4 года назад

@@jordo641 it was just a joke. I don't have but 1 power tool. It's a DeWalt impact screw gun. I'm not brand loyal

@SnoopReddogg 4 года назад

Diverging opinion time: Makita for me...

@Panzer_Runner 4 года назад

"Guns are supposed to be fun" Spittin' straight damn facts

@falkenvir 2 года назад

Depends on context

@MidnightPanther113 4 года назад

"It's like Lego, for men." James, that's still just called Lego.

@The_Foxxo 4 года назад

Facts

@MidnightPanther113 3 года назад

@Christopher Marlowe Not the video games hombre. Lego bricks. Little plastic building blocks. You know, like an AR, but for men.

@B0x_T00l 3 года назад

Exactly, Legos ARE for men.

@OMNIBAD 2 года назад

Legos are for boys

@GTChucker86 2 года назад

legos are for ages 3 -99 Legos are for everyone

@dydactic1112 4 года назад

Malaysia: Adopted the AUG, shitty local production, then switched to M4.

@ericchen2440 4 года назад

Taiwan also tried to locally build AUG called Type 68 back in late 70s and turned out a nightmare.

@FOVoid 4 года назад

Australia tested the m16 and AUG. They took the AUG cause it was better in every aspect. I can not say if the Australiens build the guns themselfs or just bought them from Austria, but it is a good weapon system. If build correctly.

@NeonSm1le 4 года назад

@@FOVoid the guns are built locally under license, its called the F88 AusSteyr here but they are being phased out for an overhauled update called the EF88

@Treblaine 4 года назад

@@FOVoid They clearly didn't give the AUG the InRange mud test.

@Nathan-jh1ho 4 года назад

Eric Chen I heard Taiwan couldn't make the polymer part of the gun. Which is strange considering back then Taiwan was was making all the plastic products like China is now.

@nirvana613 4 года назад

I ALREADY BOUGHT THE AUG BECAUSE OF THE LAST VIDEO JAMES STOP PLAYING WITH MY EMOTIONS

@Oberkommando 3 года назад

Its the better gun after all - if one can afford it

@razzo086 3 года назад

Buy 1 of each

@karlmalone4930 2 года назад

Lol that's what happen when you buy things based on RU-vidrs opinions.

@knyneskredd3964 2 года назад

@@karlmalone4930 Stockton to malone

@Pipes7472 9 месяцев назад

@@OberkommandoTBF the price point Is equal of a 16” DDM4 and they’re arguably equal in terms of reliability. Comes down to personal preference past that.

@G1Bryce 4 года назад

Oh looks it's ShortShorts McGlockboy

@jordo641 4 года назад

Glock and M4/AR: Easy to use, gets the job done. Even for men who shop at Whole Foods in short shorts.

@rickbarton9130 4 года назад

McGlockboy gets away with short shorts because small pp.

@204rego 4 года назад

“And their slave colonies.” XD. Jeez man

@titsmagee4469 4 года назад

Under appreciated humor

@brandondavis8005 4 года назад

He's not wrong.

@jhudom 4 года назад

Yea... And that coming from american really made laught XD

@dezray5547 3 года назад

I'm an Australian citizen n I found that funny as _uck 😂🤣 nothing wrong with a good old did at each other especially from the country who invented this politically correct environment of today 180degree flip 🧐🧐🧐👏bravo sir bravo

@razzo086 3 года назад

Stop being butthurt if your not talking the piss out of each other in Australia your not mates

@ChefBagel 4 года назад

The trigger on an AUG (Or at least the one I have shot..) feels like i'm shooting a plastic super soaker compared to most AR triggers. However, I've also shot an AUG with a trigger upgrade and the difference is night and day.

@darkhowling6425 4 года назад

The trigger thing has come up a lot but that because its a progressive trigger on the AUG. There was no external fire selector, single shot/auto fire selection was based on how deep you pull the trigger. Trigger loses some function when going to civilian mode but doesn't lose travel.

@KyleSmith-bp2fe 4 года назад

What upgraded trigger was it?

@liamhill6653 4 года назад

I somewhat recall watching the Forgotten Weapons video on the AUG, and I think it had to do with using a different kind of plastic on the inside of the gun in the trigger group to make the trigger less squishy? He had 2 trigger groups and one was an old greenish plastic and the other one was a better black plastic.

@darkhowling6425 4 года назад

@@liamhill6653 Pretty sure there is a metal parts trigger as well... Point being, the trigger group will always feel different from an AR because it has a VERY different philosophy governing its workings, the lack of selector adds complexity that AR trigger can do without add onto that the LENGTH of parts required to actually set-off the firing pin as they are quite far apart in bullpup config it will always be a less crisp trigger. UNTIL electronic firing becomes more accepted, already a thing in blackpowder rifles, i am waiting for a proper gun to do it.

@jackbauer7742 4 года назад

Its not the trigger that's shit, what's shit is that civilians are not allowed to own the full auto version.

@KretinD 4 года назад

I like to touch my forward assist when James talks about ar15s.

@33Luger 4 года назад

😂😂😮

@fivespeed3026 4 года назад

I don’t want to know what you touch when James shows off his short shorts. 😂

@Aksbug90 4 года назад

Davey J are you with garand thumb ha! We all touch the forward assist just there are those who won't admit it

@sar_ptolemy 4 года назад

Oh my how lewd

@Hanzer-ns5bh 4 года назад

I C-clamp and spread Hoppes all over myself. Sometimes I don't even take off my Multicam...

@matthewgraham4937 4 года назад

"They just pick it off the money tree" *cries in taxpayer*

@HIMcules2112 4 года назад

Money printer goes Brrrrrrrrrt

@JacksonWalter735 4 года назад

5:17 "We're just gonna go out and burn them like garbage or FN pistols you know? Just trash." Me: Nervously hiding my FN 509 Tactical from New Zealanders.

@Genesis23OPB 4 года назад

have i missed something? FN Pistols are great.

@poop464 4 года назад

@@Genesis23OPB I love my FN. Reliable, easy to shoot, lightweight. No problems here.

@bvoyelr 4 года назад

I carry my FNX-9 with pride. I love that gun.

@DON4419 4 года назад

@@Genesis23OPB they are great. Just not glocks.

@suprtroopr1028 4 года назад

@@DON4419 well, you know the old saying, "If I wanted a glock, I would've bought one."

@lmdavies6964 4 года назад

Just to throw in my two bobs worth: It is very easy to leopard crawl with the muzzle facing downrange w/an F88 based on where the cog is. And I spent a lot of time doing that! Off-hand shooting w/an F88 isn’t fun but you get over copping brass in the face. It’s less of an issue than people make out in my opinion. As a lefty i used to reach under and cock the bolt, not bad but not ideal. Im no expert but I think its a perfectly good service rifle. I think it may have been adopted due to our experience of the SLR being “too long” for the jungle, and now we base rifles on how they perform in the urban environment - I suppose we always prepare for the last conflict we were involved in. The trigger is ratchet by the way. No excuses for that. I have no opinion as to which one is better but that is just my observations based on my limited experience so take it for what it is. Thanks blokes.

@markusschwarz6600 3 года назад

I think you are perfectly right . I used both rifles and i have to go with the australian report as well. But the real selling points for an M4 over an Stg77 are weight,modularity and price if i would boil it down to . The after market for the AUG is crap, almost non existent . I never had an issue shooting it from the left side , its not exactely like the brass will brake your jaw -one could barely feel it . Another aspect id like to point out is training. The AUG requires its own training to really get all out of it . I havent seen a single video on youtube yet with the recomanded procedures for a mag change. Dont even try to shoot the AUG like an AR it doesnt work. The AUG is also a lot more stable in full auto in my opinion . Yes the trigger isnst great but neither i was very impressed with the m4 trigger . Gota love the AK trigger 😉 . I love the weight of the m4 , it weighs nothing . In terms of accuracy i also go with the stg . But we are comoaring the m4 wich had been refined since decades with an A1 from 1977 i think in any case it puts up a good fight . The F90 athrax is exactely how the stg should be. Nice job auzzies ...

@mitchjames9350 2 года назад

The SLR should of been converted into marksman rifles and developed further.

@dylanwight5764 2 года назад

Yeah, even as a dedicated AUG apologist, the stock trigger is plain awful. Though notably the EF88 has a very nice trigger.

@grahamlopez6202 4 года назад

Why the ar is better: I can totally afford one Why the AUG is better: it's an AUG

@imbetterthanyouis 4 года назад

why the aug is better as a glorifyed paper weight

@youtubewatcher4792 4 года назад

Thats why you keep the two separated. I keep the AUG on my side of bed and my spouse keeps the bucket of mud on her side. Never had a problem.

@0326Vet 3 года назад

AUGs are trash always have been, watch the in range mud test on it, vs the AR

@dylanwight5764 2 года назад

@@0326Vet That test only concluded that if you get small rocks jammed against a moving surface you're going to have a problem. Don't ignore that the AUG ran flawlessly through its entire magazine and only jammed when pieces of the Arizona landscape were deposited right behind the charging handle.

@0326Vet 2 года назад

@@dylanwight5764 which bullpups have wide open charging handles....... saying well it works flawlessly except when a major design flaw is exploited can be said about any terrible gun lol

@I_am_ENSanity 4 года назад

The sheer customizability and the fact that I can get a Springfield Saint for around $700 sells it for me. PS: Binary trigger is a lot of fun.

@wishuhadmyname 4 года назад

I put one in my AR pistol (11.5" barrel) and it's almost as good as sex. Throw a magpul D60 and it's pretty much a modern day tommy gun

@sirsaltytampon4379 4 года назад

@@wishuhadmyname I have a Magpul D60 on my .308

@paulschab8152 2 года назад

Yea, but it's just another AR!

@johnfilmore7638 2 года назад

@@paulschab8152 you haven't handled the Saint, its overbuilt like the best you get from Fabrique Nationale with 7075 alloy forged receivers and a full-auto spec 9013 bolt and carrier group pressure & magnetic particle tested at that price. The Sprimgfield Armory Saint is not full auto it has the overbuilt full-auto bolt and carrier but doesnt have the full-auto trigger, and if you get a Saint I would stay very far from a full-auto trigger-sear, you can legally own one if you dont own an AR-15 but if you have an AR-15 with the cutouts for fullauto you have "constructive intent to mfg" and without an NFA record of your AR serial# license you now have a felony if caught. The fit & finish of a Springfield Saint gives the SIG-Sauer AR-15 a run for the money.

@Hankhillismrbig Год назад

@@johnfilmore7638 I bought a Saint Victor for $900 with the plans to eventually “upgrade”. Decided I don’t need to upgrade. It’s got a few thousand rounds through it, and literally zero malfunctions or problems of any kind. And it’s more accurate than any of my friend’s ARs from Sig, Aero and DD. Because I doubt my original “upgrade” plan (BCM upper, Aero lower) would outperform my Saint, I bought an Aug, lol. Hence the reason I’m watching this video.

@casbot71 4 года назад

You can quickly swap the barrel on a AUG, in case you need to change the rifling and forensic characteristics… could be useful in _certain circumstances_

@nirfz 4 года назад

there are better reasons for taking the barrel out: cleaning the barrel is quite easy, clearing malfunctions, showing the rifle to be really clear :-)

@ChucksSEADnDEAD 4 года назад

@@225degrees and in 15 years we'll see it come out that those forensic techniques are bullshit like handwriting analysis and hair strand analysis.

@peteraugust5295 4 года назад

TFB TV has mastered the art of trolling.

@mattkemerait 4 года назад

"We're just gonna burn them like garbage, or FN pistols, just trash" This legit made me laugh.

@5000rgb 4 года назад

17:40 it looks like you are measuring the target while it's being shot. A true testament to the accuracy.

@elitetrader5468 4 года назад

"Bible verse tattoos." That's some comedy gold right there!

@usptact 4 года назад

Politics... the reason why so many countries use M4. "Oh, you want that aid? Make sure you don't forget to sign this multi-year contract for our great M4".

@qthemerrybandofanons4481 3 года назад

Bingo lol.

@talltale9760 3 года назад

Definitely couldn’t be stuck with a better weapon

@0326Vet 3 года назад

Because its the best of the best, hence why all those countries' gun companies started to make their own versions of it, Stoner is the greatest firearms designer of all time

@johnclark1925 3 года назад

Well said. 😎👍

@0326Vet 2 года назад

@@MrJedi5150 i would argue stoner is miles more crucial than Browning

@sesmry 3 года назад

Thank you for explaining these reasons with data driven analysis. I was looking up Steyr V M4 and watched both your videos. Exactly what I was after. So rare to find that on the internet. Legend. From a happy Aussie Army guy

@StraightSixDiesel 4 года назад

James I’ve got to hand it to you, when you first joined TFBTV years ago I wasn’t sold on your reviews but now your one of my go to channels for gun content. Keep up the good work my friend!

@therealfoxhound. 4 года назад

From what I've been told by some individuals during the trials period, the M4/M16 lost out to the f88 due to one of the reasons being that at the time, Colt, wouldn't allow it to be manufactured outside America. One of the requirements of the service rifle is to be produced within Australia.

@Liberator29 4 года назад

I bet those individuals sleep with their ARs too.

@Smokeyr67 Год назад

That wasn’t an issue, we pay a Licencing fee to Steyr, the same deal as we could have had with Colt (HK)

@brazzy1467 4 года назад

Australian military has adopted the Lithgow Arms F90 which is basically an upgraded AUG.

@bevanmcnicholl2525 Год назад

The new Ef88 is an even more upgraded version. So much better than the orginal just can't go back

@walt9327 4 года назад

"Easy mounting of sights" *Shows a clip of James fumbling to hit a lever on a sight for 5 seconds.*

@TheNetsrac 4 года назад

Well played sir ^^ I wish we could all just agree, that both are great rifles in their own right. I guess that is what you are proving in these videoes P.S. Thank you to all of you on TFB TV for the great videos. Best wishes to you and yours ^^

@zachconant7031 4 года назад

Well for one I can take the stock off for that sweet increased ADS time and Movement speed.

@Panzer_Runner 4 года назад

AUG reload time is slow, but still, it could be improved with speed cola.

@0sm1um76 4 года назад

@@Panzer_Runner Yes but being a wall gun, the ammo is far more readily available for the M16

@harvey_weenstain8857 4 года назад

And maintain max range when running a 9mm platform

@oriolesBraw 3 года назад

The aug comes stock with a scope while the m16 takes up an attachment slot to have a scope

@akibru2535 3 года назад

Oh my God I hate you And myself for laughing at the joke

@larz101a 4 года назад

I think both are good rifles but it comes down to personal preference. Both have pro's and con's. For a military the price is a big decider. For me always preferred the AUG.....yes with the 20 inch barrel. In my mind with both of these platforms we are looking at two good weapons both have merit and when it comes to the crunch all that really matters in this contest is the hands that use them!

@linkbond08 4 года назад

April: reasons why AR15 is better than the ak47. May: reasons why AR15 is better than the Steyr AUG. June: reasons why AR15 is better than the AR15. July: reasons why AR15 is best wifu.

@over6006 3 года назад

AR15 best waifu tho

@AngryMarine-il6ej 2 года назад

When he mentioned 'modularity', I think he really hit on a key point. It highlights an AR's worth. As much as AKs have been known for their durabliity, they don't hold up to the AR in modularity as todays AR's are made for customizing attachments.

@karlasmith 4 года назад

For the NZ Army marksman tests they went from the original 1.5x 'donut' sight to an ACOG. The Australian Army has an upgraded Steyr AUG with a 1x to 4x optic and has seen similar increases in accuracy just from the better optic. My opinion is the M4 is better due to quicker mag changes / stoppage drill, change mags while keeping eyes up, adjustable stock, global market for accessories, improvements and modularity.

@PBMS123 9 месяцев назад

EF88 mag changes are just as fast as the AR15 platform. They have hold open and bolt release. Side by side with two proficient rifleman in each rifle, shows its exactly the same. Aus did move to the ELCAN 3.4x and the ACOG 4x well before the ELCAN Spectre on the EF88. But the Spectre is hot shit.

@Brimwald 4 года назад

Love these videos. Very entertaining and there's nothing wrong with your reasoning since it's really basically a pros and cons list

@IsaacOConnell 4 года назад

Great work as always! Very detailed and well researched.

@Jpb6583 4 года назад

The AUG was my bucket list gun for years and I finally got to buy one a couple years ago. I sold it after having it less than 6 months. I just couldn't get used to the balance, just to heavy in the back end.

@imbetterthanyouis 4 года назад

just think your self lucky you didnt need to rely on one

@Liberator29 4 года назад

Y’all are babies

@imbetterthanyouis 4 года назад

@@Liberator29 your clearly clueless

@mikekelly8252 4 года назад

@Jpb6583 - if you reckon the balance was bad with the stock weapon then just be thankful you never had to carry one with an M-203PI attached to the barrel...nose heavy anyone!

@mitchjames9350 2 года назад

What model and brand you get it from. You should check out the Lithgow F90.

@davidmilisock5200 4 года назад

I watched both the AUG and the AR videos and found your reviews informing and balanced. For me the AUG does not fit my body, the same can be said for the standard stocked M1/M2 Carbine but oddly the M1A1 I can shoot well. Well done thank you. With that said I've watched and enjoyed a great many of your posted videos and after reading through the comments I'm now convinced that I've not inventoried nearly enough ammo. Many posts have convinced me that the insanity level of our population is much higher than I had estimated and the maturity level much lower. Luckily for me a productive life has afforded me the capability to increase my inventories.

@ironmonkey1512 4 года назад

I am tall the aug looks like a no go

@slashnagy6 2 года назад

*privileged life

@sloopjbnz 4 года назад

I was a driver / sig in NZ Army at time of change over, we had the M16a1 going to the Steyr, it was nice to get optics but still felt like second choice, we got them because Australia got licence to make them , but the Grunts loved their FN SLR's, that feeling was hard to over come I don't think they ever did. I left not long after early 1989ish

@P1015532oni 4 года назад

Ex-1st battalion RNZIR here, I can honestly say, I hated my STEYR even if I have come to intimately know it like the back of my hand. Carried it in Afghanistan. The non-adjustable length of pull meant I have to shoot the rifle with the butt stock on my bicep instead of my shoulder because my body armor was in the way. Sucks!

@Leatherneck1978 2 года назад

I have both rifles. I’ve been well acquainted with the M16 / AR 15 since I stood on the yellow footprints in PI back in 1978. I’d like to suggest that both are a great rifle for their use. With the M-16 and a 20 in barrel I was as expected at 500 YDS. I did a little plinking out to 700. Beyond that it took a more gifted shooter than I. Now the AUG, easier to clean, no rust on plastic. I put the ACOG on it and other than the charging handle it has done well but I’ve not tried 500yds . AUG is great at inside a structure, and < 300yds. Lefties will like the AUG. I would be surprised at anything over 500 yds with the AUG. Semper Fi devil dogs!

@calebnasty5738 Год назад

Just recently got the aug, similar background. But I hated the m16 and m4. Found moon dust killed it so easy when I was in Australia. Haven't had trigger time behind the aug yet but I love it so far

@trekkienzl2862 4 года назад

The NZ Army replaced the AUG with the AR-type MARS-L due to the AUGs performance issues whilst serving in Afghanistan. Apparently, the NZ Army complained that the AUG had issues with range, stopping power and stoppages. PS: I know I've mentioned this before in the previous video but thought I should clarify on why the army had issues with the AUG.

@tomh.648 4 года назад

Thanks, James! I was waiting for this vid.

@themadcaps-americanorigina6773 4 года назад

I just became a Patreon subscriber at the red level. I dig your reviews and enjoy the commentary! Thanks for doing this! You have my support. 👍🏻😎👍🏻

@ADRay1999 4 года назад

As a gun enthusiast, I love all guns equally but between the AR-15 rifle and Steyr AUG I’d go with the AR-15 simply because it’s cheaper

@jakedomshoots 4 года назад

Some are

@33Luger 4 года назад

I have both, multiples of both. They are both great. The AR mag changes are easier. The Aug is just more handy getting in and out of vehicles and carrying.

@RR-us2kp 4 года назад

What about between ar15 and ak?

@andrewmoore7022 4 года назад

I go for the AUG because I personally prefer it's ergonomics

@RR-us2kp 4 года назад

@@andrewmoore7022 the new f90 AUG has solved most of the issues shown in this video. So it's now almost perfect.

@checkmatefurries286 4 года назад

0:38 THANK YOU! I have gotten yelled at by some bubbas so many times for saying something as simple as "Yeah I mean I like the AR but my heart beats for that Hebrew Hammer." Like cmon lets be big boys and girls about this stuff.

@Sig_P229 4 года назад

You can't refute the reliability of a Galil. That sucker is a beast!

@boomerkobold3943 4 года назад

JonD I think he’s talking about the FAL.

@danialyousaf6456 4 года назад

@Fui Gebhardt1 just like America in general. Or the government at least.

@Sig_P229 4 года назад

@@boomerkobold3943 You re right. He is referring to the FAL but I don't know much about it. I do know the Galil can almost not be broken. IMI/IWI makes em right.

@getdealtwithquick 3 года назад

The AUG ejection port issues for lefties have been solved with the updated F90 from Lithgow. The mag release on these with gloves on sucks tho. Why couldn't they use an M4 style mag release?

@rayc6062 4 года назад

Great review! Everyone has their opinion. I like how you present both sides.

@saleembaba5144 4 года назад

Brass bukake 😂

@peterpayne2720 4 года назад

I'm not surprised the M4 is winning over the AUG for exactly the reasons you listed. This was a really good video, great job on tracking down the reports from New Zealand. Sucks that they won't be importing those to the US though. I'd love a milsurp AUG.

@bevanmcnicholl2525 Год назад

The problem is they didn't compare the M4 to the Steyr we actually use.

@Chris_KAy 7 месяцев назад

@@bevanmcnicholl2525 i would argue the biggest fail in this video is how he compares one of the most recent guns against what is basically the 1970 design, whats next, comparing a t60 to a t90?

@thomassymonds6308 4 года назад

James, you rock, thanks for all the content!

@ftdefiance1 4 года назад

In the mid 80's Steyer Aug rifles were suprisingly popular with Police. Customs agents carried them as did several Police SWAT teams. Phoenix would issue letterhead permission to purchase AUGS even after import for Civilian use was banned. Sadly that policy ended when many officers turned around and resold the rifles.

@frogdude21XXX 4 года назад

Like I said before, I built an absolute BEAST of an AR for a little over a grand. Thanks for covering the flip side.

@RockSolitude 4 года назад

As others have mentioned in the AUG video, the comparison would be more pertinent if you compared two specific models at a similar stage in their evolution and/or time period they are from. You're basically comparing one of the latest LMTs (some of the best as far as ARs go) + the modern AR platform as it exists today along with the weight of the US domestic arms industry to the NZ Aug which is basically the same as when the AUG was introduced in the 1970s. There was also other things which seems more influenced by doctrine, training and purpose/need/use-cases, firearm laws, or more endemic of the general action rather than the specific gun. Aside from that, I also think it would help if there was a specific "US domestic/civilian arms market/industry" section reserved for talk about things which are related to, are a result of or arise from the US domestic civilian arms market.

@jhebert5446 4 года назад

this video helped a lot. i was going to get an AUG, but since i already own an AR-15, i got an H&K SP5 instead of the AUG... i was undecided between both of those

@brandonsizemore3619 4 года назад

Yep, I knew it. Been patiently waiting. Rebuttal, huh? Hope Paul is watching lol. Great video! Thanks!

@metal4ever516 4 года назад

Just know that you are both sinners in the eyes Father Kalashnikov, blessed be his name... In all seriousness though, the AK, AR, and AUG are all great rifles. Buy what you like.

@drengillespie 4 года назад

mtnrunner516 “honey, why is there a $50,200 charge on our card?” “Because they only had one.”

@JohnW-yv6yp 4 года назад

Dren Gillespie One what?!

@drengillespie 4 года назад

That is what the guy at the range said a pre 86 one would go for (plus stamp). I want one.

@JohnW-yv6yp 4 года назад

Dren Gillespie Pre 86 M16 or AKM?

@orionide4032 4 года назад

Stoner was mud proof. he didn't need a casket because dirt and mud wouldn't touch him.

@alexanderm8880 4 года назад

I'd be really interested in seeing a repeat of the Australian tests using more standardized methods and modernized versions of the two rifles. I don't take InRange as gospel but the open areas of the Aug do make me wonder how it's more reliable than a closed system.

@briankeithwood 4 года назад

I like the idea of a swappable barrel, but adjustable stock is probably a great option. And any battle weapon should fire whatever ammo and mag you throw at it

@FilthyAngryIrishPeasant 4 года назад

"BRASS BUKAKKE" -classic. I've now incorporated that term into my vernacular.

@Sig_P229 4 года назад

Its a great day when you wake up and watch TFB TV in bed. Who needs to go jogging anyways. Thanks, James!

@scoe5908 4 года назад

If you hate the AUG, I don't know how you'll cope with an SA80.

@jamesr792 4 года назад

Scoe88 I’m pretty sure the SA80’s record just speaks for itself, there....... all the disadvantages of the AUG and none of the advantages.

@nirfz 4 года назад

Years ago i saw a short part of an interview of two soldiers (one british, one irish). A british soldier was asked what he would envy the irish one for: and his answere came pretty quick. "the rifle" he said " i would instantly switch!" and the irish one just smiled.

@YeeLeeHaw 4 года назад

@@nirfz Do you recall what that interview/documentary was called?

@nirfz 4 года назад

@@YeeLeeHaw Sadly no, it was on a german satellite tv program i think. (i live in a neighbouring country to germany so i can watch them.) But i think it was a news reporter interviewing them. I can't even tell you the year. Could be between 5 and 10 years ago. I just remember it because it was the first time i noticed the irish had AUGs.

@jamesr792 4 года назад

Q Continuum agreed! As long as it’s a good one, what with Kel Tec’s QC or lack thereof.....

@AcolyteBlaze 4 года назад

Good review. Love gun talk

@TommyTombstone 4 года назад

Keep in mind, the M4A1 carbine weighs 6.49lb with the 14.5" barrel, plastic handguard, standard stock and grip, and front sight post. Add the back up rear sight, ACOG, PEQ-15/DBAL/MAWL, KAC quad rail as standard equipment and you're likely over 8lb with a loaded mag.

@lwilliams3285 4 года назад

In my experience using them in the Royal Australian navy i found the earlier models shit. Maybe because they had been so used and abused for so long. The A1 variant with a piccatinny rail and optics other than the shitty 1.5 integrated optic were a huge improvement. They are extremely simple to feild strip, change barrels etc. There is truth about the magazine well getting in the way and lack of stock adjustment making it hard to comfortably use when wearing body armor. Other than that, it did the job.

@mrfun3282 3 года назад

Both of these guns are effective in their own right and it all depends on personal preference when I come to which one I better. Personally I'm more into the ar15 platform because that's what I grew up shooting. If I ever ha the chance to shoot the Aug I'm sure I would probably like it but again it's all about what feels right to you.

@joshy7759 4 года назад

I like this format more than a "pros and cons of AR vs AUG" or something like that. You get two videos out of one idea (good for everyone) and the information seems more compelling when you're arguing FOR both things instead of just matching them. Bad part is now I want an AUG and an AR.

@johnwilkerson5508 4 года назад

One thing that kinda bugged me about the AUGvsM16 report is something that SmallArmsSolutions talks about in his M4 development video. There were a number of rolling changes added to the M4 from the M16A2 that are invisible to the user, like the different spring, buffer, and O-ring in the extractor. I also imagine that the timing of the carbine-length gas system with the H buffer was done with the previous experience of the rifle gas system/buffer in mind, and might have been refined intentionally in the process. In other words, the M16A2 in the Australian test may post artificially low numbers when compared to today's AR-15, which is usually equipped with M4 extractors, buffers, and feed ramps. That doesn't diminish how well the AUG did in the tests, though, especially considering what internal refinements the AUG went through to get to A3.

@dok7037 3 года назад

“I’m playing both sides so I always come out on top”

@michaelblacktree 4 года назад

James: "Keep in mind, they are tools." (as he looks at the comment section) 😛

@irafowlerjr.7492 4 года назад

great info, thanks

@ckkevin9620 4 года назад

Just made my Saturday morning. It's gonna be a great day!

@bvoyelr 4 года назад

Bought an AUG based off of your videos -- primarily because I've been wanting a bullpup, but had no context with which to make a buying decision. For a civilian, both platforms are orders of magnitude more capable than any civilian is ever likely to need. The main reason I wanted the AUG is because of its length -- same ballistic characteristics as the AR-15 (presumably) in a much shorter package. As a home defense carbine, that length *matters*. With the AR, you really have to be aware of the front of your gun. It's obviously not impossible; just requires awareness and training (two things I don't really ever expect to have in a home defense scenario). With the AUG, though, it's not an issue. Still a little miffed that it's impossible to find a decent quick access gun safe, though. The only one I could find is too thin to support a side mounted optic/torch. Bleh.

@Oberkommando 3 года назад

For home defense a short barreled AUG is definitely a better option. A lot more compact, the weight much closer to you body. The only downside might be that you have to get accustomed to shooting from the "wrong" shoulder. But that aint no problem with a little bit of training.

@skyhop 4 года назад

Had an AUG for a while, lots of ARs, various AKs, a tavor, and plenty of others. I want to like the AUG but even with modern trim it feels kind of dated, and like too many ideals were crammed into the firearm. It seems like the australians simplified it quite a bit, and their rifle might be interesting to mess with. When it comes to bullpups, I'm pretty sold on the original tavor though.

@jackgrant9301 Год назад

I know very little about guns since I live in Ireland, one of the most anti gun countries in Europe. Is there a more modern bullpup rifle similar but better than the aug?

@skyhop Год назад

@@jackgrant9301 The tavor is pretty decent, as is the F2000. The croatian VHS is quite good as well.

@stevenstritenberger1761 4 года назад

No doubt the M4 profile is better and I had this discussion with an Aug purist on another site, we went back and forth and still came out respecting the other guys opinion. I even told him I'd love to own an Aug if I could afford one but I'll always love the adaptability of the M4. Mine is fully loaded with Spikes, LEB, Guntech, Magpul, Viper, Phase 5, Burris and BCM parts and I'm still less than 1300 invested. What more could a lego lover ask for!!

@Bitparto Год назад

At the time Australian government wanted to manufacture the rilfe locally. Colt said no and Styer said yes. Not sure what slant that put on the selection process Would love to see a comparison between AR-15 vs EF-88 (latest version of styer). Huge changes to barrel change out, trigger, bolt hold open, and mounting options

@SnoopReddogg 4 года назад

Always a lot to unpack in the comments for these comparison videos 1) Compared to the AR, the ergonomics are all messed up with an AUG: Yep, freaked me out the the first time I drove a left hand drive car after a lifetime of righthand driving. Even had a lingering thought that I simply couldn't be stuffed learning how to use a M4 after spending 20 years nailing down the F88... then they change the F88 drills which conveniently happed just as I was getting medically discharged! (we're all creatures of habit) 2) Don't like having the chamber under my nose: Valid point... if you're hand loading with C-4 3) Trigger is too heavy: If you believe every comment you read on the net about every gun ever made, then the perfect trigger is right up there with the perpetual motion machine as unachievable 4) Cant use a bullpup left handed/CQB/FIBUA: From my experience, even if you deployed every man and his dog in the ADF for the urban warfare mission, you wouldn't have enough peeps to clear out an urban area larger than an outback toilet block. Point is The F88/ AUG wasn't exactly chosen with modern urban fighting in mind. Shooting cack handed is easy enough to do 'if' you tilt an AUG to the side and lower your first round hit expectations . Besides left handers deserve to die first, so the AUG is doing the gene pool a solid... worse thing that ever happened to recruit training is letting southpaws think they deserve equal 'rights' (see, its even in the wording!)

@BigTuna69VCR 4 года назад

7 Reasons Why James Reeves is better than the Steyr AUG.

@rapolas91 4 года назад

No 1: His pp is shorter

@YuriVelcroripper 4 года назад

When you start talking about the comments in the beginning, I see a little bit of Clint coming out of you. I Think that man left a mark on you in a good way. Good video btw!

@TheFlash3553 4 года назад

I am liking this due to the first 2 minutes and logic. Guns should bring us together, start conversations, and have a good time no matter what you shoot or like. Good stuff!

@jackgrant9301 Год назад

What if you shoot people and like murder?

@Yugetubes 4 года назад

It's such a brilliant idea to make videos where you oppose the ideas in your other videos. It's double the content revenue. That being said, HOW DARE YOU SAY MY FAVORITE GUN SUCKS?!

@warrenharrison9490 4 года назад

😂

@BCMcharger95 4 года назад

James I’m pretty sure that you’re just the Wizard Merlin and you paused time to live in the 1980’s for a minute then jumped forward into 2020.....and I can dig it dude. It explains why you don’t age ever lol

@devildog1989 4 года назад

Biggest issue anyone that I served with had with the M4 or the 16 was ammo. We mostly agreed that we needed something bigger, obviously the sentiment is still the same or they wouldn't be testing 6.8

@Mystickneon 4 года назад

If you look at that Australian report, you''ll see a paragraph referring to a parallel study conducted that indicates Steyr users had, on average, a significantly smaller PP. A new study is currently under solicitation to determine if the Steyr has a detrimental effect on the size of a normal(9 inch) PP, and if anything can be done to mitigate the tragic loss of mass, length, girth, bulbousness, and veiny texture in the PP.

@impotentrage8838 4 года назад

I have both and I like the aug more.

@mississippirebel1409 4 года назад

I'm sorry, no ones perfect lol.

@dsbiddle 4 года назад

Impotent Rage - how does it feel to be wrong

@impotentrage8838 4 года назад

Dave Biddle about what?

@orionide4032 4 года назад

about a 8 pound rifle that is made for short people due to having a fixed stock and slow reload.

@rtsgrz1902 3 года назад

@@orionide4032 its only slow to reload if you are unskilled and only too heavy if you are weak. In both cases you shouldnt have a gun anyways

@julian23561 4 года назад

WTF James, you're sending me mixed messages here!

@fun2916 2 года назад

AUG: “I may or may not like your magazine” M4: “Just shove anything you want in me baby”

@brucegoose6717 4 года назад

I own both. AR15 has more gizmo's to attach and make it heavy. Both are battle tested. Just really depends on the situation. But my AUG is the one I reach for first, it's very light & handy.

@SolidMikeP 4 года назад

I am picking up my first AERO today from my FFL, had to wait 15 days for it to clear due to the over run. So damn pumped. JAMES, if you read this, could you tell us what chest rig you wear? Thanks man, thanks TFB

@tfbtv 4 года назад

Spiritus Bank Robber

@ericchen2440 4 года назад

"Open Architecture" was actually a computer term back in the 80s. The Intel ISA + DOS considered as an open architecture vs. IBM PS/2 + OS/2 platform.

@tartarsauce2601 4 года назад

When you mention that the m4 kind of has a quick change barrel feature because you can switch the uppers, I though that was interesting. I never really thought about it like that. Although if I were in a gunfight and for some reason I needed to change barrels, the AUG is the obvious choice since all you need is another barrel. For range day though, I could just bring three different uppers for my m4 and shoot different calibers for the price of 1 lower and 3 uppers. That's kinda cool I guess, nice video. Who knew New Zealanders hated the aug?

@sarahshowalter9539 Год назад

Well said and done.

@0326Vet 3 года назад

The AR is 10 times more reliable I was stationed with Australians in Afghanistan they babied those AUGs because their durability was that of a porcelain doll house lol bullpups are neat in idea but absolutely garbage in execution

@Dominus4776 4 года назад

We've seen this guy drink strawberry beer

@Hanzer-ns5bh 4 года назад

As expected of a man we _always_ see in Village People shorts, and _never_ see in the company of ladies. But hey, ya know, it's 2020 and all that. Someone's gotta bat for the other team. .....strawberry beer though.

@MrMorden00 4 года назад

I would like to see the Tavor vs. AUG and Tavor vs. AR-15 videos. The SAR/X95 beats both IMO, but I'd love to see your take.

@L30n4rdo6 4 года назад

Hey James, I would like to see a similar review between the IWI Galil and Tavor Assault Rifles. Two different rifles manufactured by the same company

@bingoflamingo2447 4 года назад

When you refuse to say Timor-Leste

@321Isotope 4 года назад

If you really want to see the “pp bois” come out, do a video about 7 reasons the M14 is better than whatever.

@hunterman600cc 4 года назад

You know the problem with customer ratings... TORNADO ALARM 4/5 looks stylish in the yard 5/5 Easy install and feels well made 4/5 Could cost less but satisfied 1/5 Did not warn about incoming tornado.