Forehand loop tutorial timestamp 1:06 - bat starting position 2:25 - the swing 3:40 - bat angle 5:02 - finish position 6:20 - distance from body 7:20 - timing 8:42 - more speed / spin
Tom, I love how you are able to bring other people to explain certain areas of the game. This session was really good, Horvath brought some clear points across. I thought I saw all there is to see in terms of youtube forehand loop, but now I'm happy you did this video
I was struggling where to end and how to get more spin. This video solves it all! Thanks a lot both of you. Looking forward to watch next awesome training clips.🏓
yes yes , and i remember Chinesse master advices for all situation: 1, relax boby, 2. Hit when moving body (turn hip),3. hit suddenly (bat hits ball not ball touch bat)
My 12 year old was having great difficulty with the forehand loop and the only thing his coach would say was "finish higher" which never helped at all and was incredibly frustrating. It wasn't until we watched this video and compared his loop (through iphone slow motion video) to Ferenc's in slow motion that we we able to see what he was doing wrong and what he needed to do. Now he has a fantastic loop with heavy spin. He turned a weakness into a big strength. Can't thank Tom and Ferenc Horvath enough for this one.
I am so grateful to you for this lesson. At last I'v understood how to do a forehand loop. After a week of training I started to feel real improvement. Before I watched all videos on forehand loop Russian, Chines, English but didn't succeed. Ferenc made it clear for me and put everything in order. Tom please, invite him to explain backhand topspin.
After reading the comment i just blindly started reading subtitles before even listening to what he was saying..n then after a while wait...everything is understandable ..why am i reading subs..lol
This is one if not the best Top spin forehand videos I have ever watched! This was explained very well. Many points make a lot of sense and easy to understand. I am excited to give it a try. You are my favorite trainer online! Thank you😀
This is not the only valid swing motion. There is another choice where you end up with the racket over the left shoulder, as opposed to above and to the left of your forehead. It's use by many professionals interchangeably with this more "traditional" swing.
A very good video. Ferenc demonstrates the forehand topspin excellently. Can I make a request? A similar video with Ferenc for the backhand topspin - that would be great!
No he didnt. He talked about bent right leg, and the position of the left foot later on. Also the switch of the weight from the right to the left when producing the speed.
Sure, it can be tricky, but the more you play and practice the easier it becomes to adjust to different lengths and spin of pushes. Make sure you are watching your opponent closely, to give yourself the maximum amount of time to react to his placement and spin.
Tom, what are the approximate BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES that you use for your OPENING LOOP against HEAVY BACKSPIN? And how do these angles compare to the BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES you use for your COUNTER-LOOPS against HEAVY TOPSPIN? (Could you also please ask the same question to Ferenc Horvath?)
I think you could emphasize on the racket angle too. That’s where it really gets confusing. I see you open the racket about 70 degrees to the table for the heavy underspin balls.
Tom or Ferenc. question for ya. Ferenc says to (consistently) maximize speed of the stoke and keep the bat angle consistent. So...if someone feed you balls with lots of backspin vs just a little backspin...what varies in how to successfully get each of these back over the net in a forehand loop?
In general the more backspin you get, the lower the bounce will going to be and to counter the heavier effect and the ball's low trajectory, a slightly more opened angle is needed with more force applied upwards (approx. from a 45-60 degrees swinging angle to a 70-80 degrees, depending on the spin amount)
In general I've found that if you have a good wing, then a some variation in the incoming backspin won't matter, because the your contact time will be so small that the backspin won't matter, you just whip it across. What I've found matters a lot is that your entire topspin action should be in the same plane, and this plane should have the same normal vector as the angle of your bat. Not doing this inconsistency and low efficiency
@@tomazzelic3159 thanks! yes. and his reply above suggests for heavy backspin, one might need to choose a bat angle of 80 degrees (from 45). i do understand the need to keep the bat angle consistent for a single stroke
To me the stroke and contact is more like a topspin power drive. The loop is usually a longer stroke at maximum speed combined with very fine ball contact which then generates the required super spin. Xu Xin probably has the most powerful loop in today's game. Ma Lin had a phenomenal loop and Timo Boll generates a heavy loop but with a quite compact stroke.
Tom & Ferenc great video. However, he has smooth top spin you both forget to tell us what type the blade Mr. Ferenc is using and what type the rubber he is using on his forehand?
I love your videos! Thank you - as an enthusiastic amateur, your videos have helped me tremendously to up my game and have a lot more fun at our ping pong league.
@@TomLodziak I have a few friend with whom I play from time to time but that is not enough to really improve. There is one club in my hometown and Im seriously thinking about joining it. I play aussie rules football and table tennis would be nice addition in off season :)
I think he hitting side of the ball so it is easier to loop backspin but what about direction? if i want to do drive loop down the line what should i do?
Very good video. But the problem to me is that I have a slow paddle and it's harder for me to lift the ball when it has backspin. (Especially heavy backspin)
You could try (1) increasing the speed of the swing or (2) exaggerating the stroke - really lift your racket up high. This should help a little with a very slow bat.
Thank you Must say that it’s really helpful, I struggled with the heavy back spin - ball goes down fast and very next to the edge of table. The distance too much from body to table is the key
