7 unanswered questions about Fat Shark Dominator / Walksnail Avatar 

Tell Fabio he's doing an awesome job those overlays look excellent! I see the opportunity for you to add all sorts of info in overlays like highlighting features or listing information, measurements, etc. As for VTX temps I'd imagine temp protection would shut it off around 105-120c max, but maybe it's off or not working, 110c is when heat significantly starts to reduce the lifespan of electronics and much beyond that should result in very quick failure. Good call not letting it get past 115c

Now that is an unbiased, straightforward, no bs, no grey area opinion/review. You're the man JB! Keep it coming!

Should be interesting, the whole 19mm vs 14mm issue is a super interesting point to bring up, especially as, at least here in the UK you can't buy the VTX & camera sets yet. Something I will keep an eye on. I learned something today!

1:11 I do like this. On my analog FPV plane I have quite the 'busy' OSD up. Artificial horizon, altitude, heading, all sorts of cool stuff like that. And that's something I won't have with the DJI HD system on my Kaos 60 build.

I also use a neck/waist fan to keep my vista's cool - LOVE IT

Thank you Sensei Bardwel

If it hasn't already been mentioned in the comments, "for whatever reason, Artisyn (sp) is making similar technology available to 3rd parties" could very possibly have to do with an exclusivity agreement that was signed with DJI for X amount of time, and that ran out. Happens all the time in tech.

Thanks Joshua for checking the heat and all the other stuff. Your videos on this have been super helpful

Thanks for the detailed info JB!

Glad to see ya using the fan there buddy :)

This video is gold. Wreckless abandon testing. Full send. Just plugging stuff in to see if it will work,...hoping it doesn't fry. Seems like something I would do.

Hmmm, such a simple idea to cool down the vista/air unit on the bench. Today I learned what I will do with a small leftover blower fan.😁

Hey Josh I just purchased my radio master radio transmitter after watching what you talking about the one that just came out I really appreciate all the help you gave me and hope to see you or talk to you soon

Thanks!

Thanks for the video

Just over here taking notes 📝

quality content as always. Keep on :)

of topic question. I have recently bought a new happy model ep1 elrs receiver and I soldered to uart2 on the fc and now my battery doesn't show voltage in my dji goggles. What did I do wrong

I love that little fan... for what it's worth I have a really nice usb powered plastic fan that is easy to transport and move some good air. I was thinking of designing a "workbench" for FPV with a fan built in so there you go world, a free idea that is kind of obvious but then again, most of them are after we see the solution that the new design provides. And lots of commercial products operate around that 85C range, that is the temp that the manufacturers design the product to endure... military goes higher, up to I think 125C and the low temp is down there, like -55C, that might be the commercial spec but that is cold enough as it is! Good product designs will often "temp cycle" from that -55C to the highs of 85C or higher up and down over and over to artificially age their designs and to also help them look for weak spots in the design that can be fixed before going to full production. Some will even have the product attached to a multi axis vibe table to give the components a little "shake"! Also, think about it, do you really think that DJI would be willing to "share" any of their code, or electronics and IC's, etc...? Not likely, I do think what Joshua is saying in this video sounds reasonable and definitely could be accurate. I do like how Joshua is saying to also go listen to others that might know more like Tommy from Umagawd or Mads Tech or others that are knowledgeable... I have always tried to go with the truth even when it is uncomfortable or against me because in the end anything else is just playing games and politics... My name here on YT "Genjitsu" is a Japanese word that roughly means "actual reality" A word I learned almost 30 years ago from the teams at Toyota and have tried to live by as much as possible. Not always easy, for example lets say that you say something and later find out you were wrong, how do you handle it? Deny, deflect, talk about it being "conditional" or do you simply say - I got it wrong, I missed this or that because of this or that, will add this to my lessons learned. Take off your rose colored glasses, decouple your ego from "things" and let the facts and truth help everyone get to the very best solutions for all of us. Cheers!

Great video, hope u can make a quick video on the new firmware asap 😊

In the vrx module I can switch the camera to 4:3, would that be stretching the image?

Nice testing JB, answers some more questions there. Unfortunately the non compatibility with caddx/dji ensures that I continue my run of never giving fatshark a single cent of my money. At this stage I will continue happily feeding caddx/DJI more money whenever I build a new quad, just like I did a couple of days ago.

@Bardwell If you were looking at budget as a driving factor, would you keep your analogue goggle (O30) and buy the WS goggle? Or buy the HDZero goggles and use a WS VRX? I already have the VRX and feel my analogue systems would be better with something like rapid fire. I've been weighing pros and cons and just can't make a decision. I don't want to abandon analogue altogether for my micros and park flyers.

ware did you get those wonderful antennas

Thanks bro

Walksnail is one of my favorite weird manufacturer brand names. It's up there with Foxeeeeeeeeeer.

Great Video 🤘

Will there be a vrx module for my hdo's?

I am looking to upgrade my fat shark scout googles to something better is is worth the upgrade to dji or is it better to go with hd zero

What did they say about the VTX powering down or frying itself?

The tabs in the camera are pulling double duty. Looks like they apply pressure to the mipi connector, which also pushes on the board. Simple solution.

Really hoped that these would just be made with DJI stuff to maintain compatibility. Having 3 entirely different systems makes everything way too compliated for my taste. Hope that HDZero can increase the color range at some point. Basically only HDZero sorta seems promissing at this point to me...

I ended up buying the Skyzone Cobra X v2 to go with my DJI v2's 😎🙌. I still fly analog on my long range planes and fly dji on stuff that won't go further than 3 miles 🙃

I am loving this circus show! 🤡

Ďakujeme.

Thank you for this Very honest, and straight forward content on the new system. I, and many others really appreciate you being straight forward, and looking out for us all, in the pursuit of better video for our FPV journey. This really helps me trust that you will continue to make content that is always in the best interest of the pilots, and not skew the results for Monterey purposes like some other content creators out there.

Really Bad time to get into digital system. I'm sticking with my analog.

Hi Joshua... what about kiss or fl1 osd???

Will this work with analog drones?

Awesome! Thanks, Joshua! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Hahaha, awesome that's the exact fan that I use for cooling my vtx's!! I bought it to wear under my coveralls on hot days. Wearing fire retardant coveralls in plus 40 heat is torture.

Do you think they would bind together if they had the same firmware ? Who else takes such chances with their hard to get equipment

Is the OSD written to the video file, than maybe someone can make a webplayer that works similar like the subtitle feature but for the OSD.

Gotta say I'm pretty disappointed. I really want to get into digital FPV but, right now seems like a bad time to pick a system to go with. Hopefully the new DJI system comes out soon and is awesome.🤞🏼 Thanks for the video Bardwell!

What about walksnail camera on Vista?

If you're already on dji there is no reason to make the switch unless you're a fatshark fanboy Their biggest selling point at this stage is 1080p and even so that comes with draw backs. I still fly dji on 25mbs and have zero want or need for clearer image and i can still run analogue on my dji goggles so one set does both for me

I hope that someday they will make it cheaper. I can get a decent analog setup for 250 usd, but I have to pay 600+ for dji/ Fatshark. Artosyn is nerver ever charging so much for a chipset and at some point there then also isnt alot of RnD either.

Do you need to use the Walkersnail Avatar VTX with the Fatshark Dominators or would any regular 5.8GHz goggles work? Any help would be appreciated!

JB: No, DJI {stuff} doesn't work. Me: Instant loss of interest. Thanks JB. I've been thinking about getting those Goggles as they look nice and compact. You saved me a lot of money. I am backing you on Patreon and the amount of money you saved me is still waaaay above what I am pledging in years. Time to throw a coffee in ;-)

How flying together with DJI works?

I ordered and returned the DJI goggles this weekend because of things I didn't want to pay more money for. The strap was flimsy, there was no battery holder, and the shape of the goggles let light in. I am new to FPV but I refuse to pay money for something and then have $50 in more parts just to address the deficiencies with the product. That being said, I already don't appreciate that the goggles don't come w/ antennas. For the money it should come with good antennas. This all adds up to out-of-the-box they should just work. How do the goggles fit out of the box? Does it come w/ a good strap? Does it hold a battery?

Artisan only sell to DJI, Autel Robotics & recently Walksnail.

Why did your parts drawer say " battery straps use sparingly"?

I will probably get them if they have better range than my dji goggles. I have to watch the signal strength all the time which takes some of the fun away.

This is a good positive video. I agree this may get really good to come soon!! Looking forward to this new stuff coming out! Thanks for being honest opinion

Great Stuff, Thumbs up :o)

Dji seems to be the benchmark. This is cool but if you have DJI already then you're already winning 😉

How well does it work with other DJI, HDZ, Analog and Fatsnail Pilots in the air at the same time?

I have been watching a while now over the last few months and finally, totally jumped in for FPV. I fly DJI camera drones already and nothing in the FPV world comes any where near close to that quality. But what we have for FPV right now - this looks like a good investment... I only fly the best analog gear available for my FPV stuff, and this will surely covert me, I am sure.....Your videos - as well as others - have helped me decide to finally make the leap to digital. Kudos...

U R Da Best. God's speed.

They are literally using artosync sdk!

Can we connect an HDzero Vrx ?

is that the vtx was hd zero? now new version ?

Big question,,, does it play well with others? Or, is it going to step on everybody?

I’d love to know if you been disappointed if you had to pay for these ? I’m thinking there a huge disappointment for all the hype and cost ! Maybe in the future it will better as of right Id say there not the ones to buy!

im sticking with analog lol

Hi. When testing overheating time you did not provide ambient room temperature.

I honestly love that you tried to bind with DJI instead of just stating the obvious. That's part of what makes this content fun.

Can u use dji mipi cable on walksnail system

Everyone is saying that these are not a dji goggle, then they did a good job trying to look like a dji product. Fatshark has not had actual recessed buttons with molded trim around them. They always used an electronic button under an overlay like a button on a microwave. And, the hardware such as screws and strap buckles look identical to what is used on dji products. If you have taken apart a Mavic, Phantom, Mini, etc all the attaching hardware and metal hold downs are the same as dji. Possibly purchased from the same supplier like what is used for frames and such but just seems a little weird. I also have tried cameras but dji to dji. The camera cables on the AU and Caddix are the exact same as the cable in the original Mavic Pro. I took a Mavic 4k camera and plugged into a Vista and it didn't work and that is with the same manufacturer. Haven't tried an AU but sure of the same outcome. I'm just skeptical of all of this but I do hope that FS WS improve.

Did you say it was, FAN-tastic?

Does the walk shark system interfere with analog video like the dji system does?

Does that mean that the OSD never goes blurry because of range along with the video?

I would say just buy it in 8 months when the firmware is hopefully better

No Audio output :(

I hope that other company that you “couldn’t think of the name right now” is Orqa😅

How many vtx’s can I have bound at once? Can I have multiple turned on and change channels? Do I need to rebind every time I want to change aircraft?

Hope they just switches some wires on the mipi and you did not get power...longshot, haha.

really hope people can give fatshark a decent chance to nail this product. this hobby is small, innovation and breakthroughs dont come quickly or easily, lots of our gear wasnt totally ready for consumers, we are mostly pro-sumers, and should be ready for hickups and workarounds and higher level personal involvement in the development of our gear. i could list a bunch of stuff that didnt pass mustard and went on to become the best products available, the eagle micro, the og jumper tx16, the dji v1 itself, elrs, so please guys, remember early adopters are taking the risk for everybody else.

Hey Joshua, have you tried the 21.22.4 firmware yet? I saw someone saying with that firmware the walksnail system is a lot less blurry and about on par with DJI now. So I’d love to get your feedback on that.

@Joshua Bardwell may I ask. Have you at any point whilst flying have you thought... "Wow those oleds make it look sooo much better than on my dji goggles" ?

tommy ummagawd? did i hear it right? he doesn't seem to have a video about this system

Someone needs to hack the dji air/vista unit just to see the response from dji. That may tell us if they are still in fpv game or not.

What's the chances that Orqa is using the Artesyn chip?

wow, so they purposely blocked the DJI OG Cameras? ... such a shitty move.

When doing the range test. Don't try to point the antennas at the ground... The signal is actually bouncing out of the lower parking deck, off the surrounding environment, and up to the top deck

Can you test how bad this affects analog pilots ?

Did you ever find out if the VTX would simply continue to overheat and destroy itself or do something sensible like reduce the power? Inquiring minds want to know!!! 🙃

Wouldn’t they win many many many users would the goggles “talk to” vistas???

so to some up this system at best has the ability to match DJI but is more expensive and less trustworthy than DJI if that is possible🤣

5:45 what the hell was that?

Overheathing?

I hope it comes out on top so people can STHU 😅 Waiting to buy.

Fatsnail Avanators

#2......! LIKE....LOL

Is it a turd….. yes!

So are these telegram responses trolls or something new I just never saw before?

16:50 No mention of sound though. Shame. The companies making these HD systems need to realize there's a few of us who want sound in our systems. Currently DJI's awful awful setup is the bset of the HD systems, and even then only if you're pulling from the air unit for your DVR.

So unless I’m missing something, there is absolutely no way to use these with a simulator? I mean, the way to get DJI working with sims is absolutely ridiculous, but they’re not at all in touch with the FPV Community. This is Fatshark and Caddx/Walksnail and they didn’t think some form of input would be important enough to include?! Yet another reason these goggles are a complete disappointment..

maybe if they get the 50 megabits working the video would look a lot better. as of now i would pay $299 for this system. come on walksnail get the firmware out to make this system worth the price. with no video in i would have a hard time paying more than $450 for this system