My brain properly glitched with that switch from Ellen to Jane. Just full "wait, what?" and staring at the screen in confusion until Jane delivered that punchline. Well done
Theory: the Asylum Demon had an awkward social encounter with the Stray Demon, and had afterwards been magically fortifying the floor so they wouldn’t have to meet again anytime soon. After A.D.’s dead, the magic fails, and the floor becomes as brittle as the two demons’ relationship after That Thing at the Party We Don’t Mention.
Or all the jumping around the asylum demon did weaken the floor then it weakened more over time while you were gone till finally it was so weak that you were just the breaking point.
@@trychydts There's no theory: They are all just a race of creatures created by the chaos flame in Lost Izalith. If I remember correctly, the Firesage was some sort of priest.
Okay, full disclosure from an American Citizen here, just know that literally every Senator in the Senate is indeed a megalomaniacal insane monster. It's the experimental nanomachines that makes Armstrong weird (well, that and the fact that he's not easily 100 years old). As for weird bosses from nowhere suggestions, lemme ask you this. When you have the power of god in your right arm, at what point do you expect a bus to come in from an area with no road, drop off a lucahdor gorilla, drive off and dissappear, and now you're fighting the aforementioned Luchador Gorilla. He even gets a second round from nowhere. This entire list could be God Hand stuff and you know it.
The best part is that Armstrong's actual politics are so liberal as to come at conservative from the other side- he's vague but he advocates radical freedom and the tearing down of corrupt institutions. Its just that he 1 intends to get the political power to push those changes through via a conspiracy and many warcrimes and 2 his admiration for Raiden and phrasing point to his radical freedom being a might makes right warscape. In retrospect I wonder where he got the tech to start his plot, but the general level of warcrime fits a corrupt politician in a Metal gear game- not that real life politicians can't be that corrupt (often they are more so) it's just real life corruption involves fewer brains in jars and giant mechs. I have to wonder if there is some source, available only through channels a corrupt politician can access, that let Armstrong get his hands on the nanomachines for example. So it wouldn't just be him playing the corrupt right wing warmonger to the hilt in order to gain the political influence for his radical ideals that are just the opposite (except war? he emphasizes fighting for what you believe in) but he needed to do that to get access to the tech. Which means if they ever make a sequel to that branch of metal gear, we could see more american politicians pull out this sort of stuff, its just most of them prefer corruption that doesn't involve them fighting superpowerful cyborgs in robot ants.
Yeah, exactly that. It is a prime example as to why we, if this kinda tech (empowering body tech, nanites etc) should ever become available - and then it is guranteed to be available to the richest or most influental people only - really need to control what it is used for and how it is designed. Imagine a world full of Armstrong-grade Social Darwinists trying to destroy regulated society, just so they, who possess the right amount of ressources, could basically claim godhood and run rampart and free. No surprise this should end in an complete dystopian warscape scenario +shudders+ I have little doubt that in any Senate in any country there will be at LEAST a few of those secret monsters, hidden away by conservative suits and fake smiles. You don´t need to be a fan of Thomas Hobbes to know - mankind needs common rules for all, as those wolves in sheep´s clothing WILL eat us alive, if we let them... No matter how cool they would be, say "NO" to nano-machine fuelled super powers ! XD It´s a trap ! Only the ones that should absolutely NOT have such powers would aquire them at first. And after that we´d live in a post-apocalypse, anyway, as those man-made gods would surely battle it out, resulting in regular people becoming "collateral damage". No thank you. And we have NO super-powered cyborg swordsman to cut out his nanomachine-infested heart to save us all, hrhr. I laugh, but it is actually kinda serious. Please, for the love of god, nanos for medical purposes only, dear science !
@@timothycarney9652 for a bit if context, all of Armstrong's tech comes from a private military company called World Marshall, a company that reemployed cyborgs from MGS4 and acts as the shadow investor for the villains of the game, he got the money by monopolizing security in colorado and the payments from his mercenary company, war as business if you will.
Please, please have Ellen and Jane make more videos together. They’re hilarious. And they’re such opposite personalities that they complement each other perfectly.
For the swapping out characters at the last second joke, it would have been absolutely mind-boggling if instead of Jane, someone from Eurogamer or Playstation Access appeared.
To put in perspective just how "out of left field" Aizawa as the final boss was, the characters themselves were confused as the first exchange of lines was "What are you doing here ? -To be honest, I'm not really sure myself."
Speaking of fighting sans, I heard about that fight before I played the game, so when I got to the last corridor while doing a true pacifist run, I fully expected him to go ham on me, and then I got super confused since I didn’t know that there was multiple endings and that I had to kill everyone for him to want to
Even in pacifist or neutral routes, encountering Sans as the moral judge at the end of the game is still startling because of his character thus far. Nothing compared to the unholy beatdown you get in genocide tho lol
The big issue with Necron of FF9 is...development troubles. The lead up clues to him were cut for time, along with almost all of Amarants story stuff and half of Freya's
It also doesn't help that, historically, 'Hades', the super difficult-to-find optional superboss, was supposed to be the final boss in a different script. That said, Necron makes about as much sense as Hades would have with the level design we got, if not more; Necron's whole deal is that it's an Eidolon counterbalance for the Mothercrystal that was brought out from within it by Kuja's nihilistic schpiel. FFXIV actually more-or-less picks up the same threads.
I actually liked Necron. FF7's Sephiroth was already beaten by an angry cloud before the game even began, and ever since that he lost his sense of threat. FF8's Ultimecia just felt like Super Edea and had no depth, and was generic enough to laugh like a cartoon villain. Kuja got boring because most of the game was about him, so Necron was a welcome change. I had no idea what Necron is or it's purpose, but it was creepy and mysterious, something the three characters I mentioned lacked. If a villain gets talked about too long or they show up too much, they become less scary and intense. While I don't think this is how final bosses should always be done and some plot buildup for them is good (not so much that you get tired of them) the Necron fight was really cool to me.
To be fair, Undertale very much does *discourage* you from doing a Genocide route, in fact, it's pretty difficult to unintentionally do one what with the game nudging you towards pacifism and kicking off the route taking a *really* long time in the Ruins. Sans deciding to fight you was *definitely* a surprise for first time players though, haha. There's even a song on the OST called 'The Song That Might Play When You Fight Sans', and it literally never actually plays in the game. God, you gotta love Toby Fox
Personally I’d have given it a one-in-million chance of playing instead of Megalovania so it really is “the song that /might/ play when you fight sans.”
Very true. It didn't even cross my mind that Sans would be the "unexpected" boss mentioned here, just because the internet is so saturated with the bossfight and... meme culture lol. Which is an absolute shame because I can imagine the shock of a truly blind player finding out the most powerful and punishing boss in the game, the self-named Arbiter of the Underworld... is the silly marshmallow man who's been making bad puns the whole game and who's favorite passtime is napping.
@@drawingdragon Yeah, I saw someone either on this thread or another comment saying a better unexpected boss from Undertale/Deltarune would be Spamton's first fight, because he quite literally just pops out of a trash can in some random alley, acts weird, and BOOM now you're fighting!
The Senator Armstrong boss music is some of the best I've ever heard in a game. The fight itself is pretty cool as well (though not as a good as the first which is straight up bonkers).
A better example from Yakuza IMO is literally any time you're ambushed by Majima in Yakuza Kiwami. A person experiencing this game for the first time isn't gonna expect a boss fight to literally jump out at them from under a giant traffic cone or while they're buying some energy drinks from a local convenience store, yet that's exactly what Majima does. Over. And. Over.
@@HyperDragon01good reasons for that, was actually an inspiration for his creation, and the addition of Mark Hamil as his original English voice actor? Perfection.
@@kay_faraday The first time it happens from a given instance? Yeah it becomes unsurprising after that. But still, having Majima literally barge into a fight between me and a bunch of random guys, pop out from a manhole cover, or attacking me in a park in a mask while I'm learning martial art techniques is always pretty unexpected the first time it happens.
I feel like Deathstroke from Batman Arkham Origins is another good example. You go from interrogating the Penguin to suddenly being dragged out into an arena to fight him.
God, I love the fight with Senator Armstrong! It's so weird, and his hardening power is so cool. Of course his name is Armstrong anything less wouldn't be on the nose enough. 😂
Sans is extremely expected, if you actually pay attention to the story lmao He straight up threatens you multiple times, and teleports right in front of your face... it was obvious even in my blind genocide route run that he was going to be at least some form of boss.
A lot of the bosses in Don't Starve come out of nowhere, appearing at the end of a season. You're just waiting near the end of Winter and suddenly, out of nowhere the Deerclops shows up, threatening to destroy your base and drive you insane. You get a waring like 2 minutes in advance (which is nothing in a survival game), and its a vague warning so your more likely to panic that prepare the first time.
What’s so funny about the stray demon, is that in true dark souls fashion, they warn you about it in the opening moments of the game, he’s hanging out in a room next to where the game opens, but he’s easy to miss and forget about
To be fair, Aizawa does show up alive and well during Saejima's return to Kamurocho. And then he gets the shit beat out of him almost immediately. That still doesn't stop him from showing up in Tojo HQ and saying his iconic line, "To be honest, I'm not sure myself." When confronted about why he's there. Also unironically one of the best boss fights in the entire series.
Aizawa final boss gameplay wise being one of if not the best boss fight in the entire series is so insane considering how story wise his existence in this role is a real nonsense twist. The contrast between story quality and gameplay quality is huge in this moment
@@mewmew8932 it is, but the actual cycle is meant to stop at around 50% - 100% where as if you do something while he heals it overrides that and let's him get to 200%
I'm surprised Cynthia from Pokemon Black and White wasn't here, on account of how infamous she was for just being a superboss that was in some random seemingly unimportant house
though Spamton Neo may be even more so, mostly in that his boss form is reminiscent of Mettaton Neo and the fact the gameplay changes slightly into a shmup during his attacks. Plus the fact that you kinda don't actually expect to fight spamton again.
@@sarafontanini7051I do believe that spamton is more sudden Neo had more build up and I’m sorry but I don’t get what the similarities to metaton neo have to do with spamton neo being more surprising.
@@orangeblanket7181Because the entire gimmick with MTT NEO is that he's a gag boss who literally can't hurt you and dies in 1 hit, so longtime Undertale fans seeing the NEO body actually put up the toughest fight in the game would be more surprised
Based on your picks here, one fight that'd fit your criteria is Chernabog from the original Kingdom Hearts and its Final Mix version. You're going through the motions at The End of the World, playing through your greatest hits and revisiting certain areas of certain worlds you've explored, getting ready to fight Billy Zane from Titanic when suddenly BAM, you're thrown into an aerial battle with Disney's version of SATAN.
like, we knew Armstrong was the bad guy. We just expected him to fulfill the 'physically weak bad guy who hides in a giant robot trope', not the 'superpowered nano-borg who could suplex his own giant robot' trope
Final Fantasy X - almost all versions including the remaster have the optional bosses, the Dark Aeons. However, while optional, they're tied to revisiting certain locations, and the game doesn't warn you as to where. So until you're prepared, you can't go back to Besaid Village without fighting Dark Valefor. As for Dark Bahamut, he is in Lady Yunalesca's room, as soon as you leave the temple. So if you missed the item for Tidus' legendary weapon in the room, leave the temple, remember, and go right back, you've basically gone from fighting one of the hardest main game bosses, to one of the hardest bonus bosses.
Battle for the Dream is such a hype final boss theme though. But yeah, he was definitely one of the chunkiest bosses in the series, least from what I’ve played. (Which is all except Ishin)
One of my favorite examples of this is Quirce, Returned by the Flames from Blasphemous. You're strolling along through the Wall of the Holy Prohibitions, minding your own business, and all of a sudden a half-naked dude with a flaming sword smashes through the floor underneath you and, much like the Stray Demon, sends you plummeting down into the boss arena below. Most of the other major fights in the game at least make it fairly obvious you're in a boss room before unleashing the boss at you, but nope, this guy just has to be extra about it.
Wow, I never got this far in Yakuza 5, I just spent an absurd amount of time in the forest, hunting. I guess that's my unofficial ending, retired from the Yakuza and became a filthy rich hunter :D
Pretty much any of the rivals from the Pokemon main series qualify as the majority of them are experts at ambushing players when they least suspect it. But, if I have to call out one, it'd be Blue from Red and Blue from being the original ambush master showing up in unexpected places to kick your unprepared butt when you were a kid.
Seriously! Everyone brings up ohhh the plot twist of beating the E4 (as it wasn't tradition at that point) just to find out there's a fifth member AND it's your rival, but what they forget is this jerk has been doing it all game! I remember when I first played, that encounter on the bridge in Cerulean caught me off guard and I got whooped bad. Then after he jumped me on the SS Anne, I started to get paranoid, so when I got to Pokemon Tower, I went slow and saw him waiting this time so I turned back and avoided it for a long while.
To be fair, Necron was the incarnation of the fear of death, which was Kuja's whole motivation - less "it's cool to kill everyone" than "I can't handle the idea of a world without me, so I'll make sure one doesn't exist" - but to be fairer, he still very much came out of nowhere in a big old ball of what the hell.
"Someone at Square took the wheel back towards wholesome" I always find it amusing that people describe FFIX like that in some way or another, as if there aren't several genocides, parents attempting to murder their child and serious philosophical musings on the nature of death.
final fantasy has several instances, Viii has two of them, one being Elvoret a winged Demon that shows up to replace the game's Biggs and Wedge Characters when you are fighting them as bosses early on, and later on Abadon an undead boss monster that shows up when your pasing through a dried up lake trying to get to Esthar to get help for two people, and it literally just pops up from a canyon you pass by.
In Final Fantasy VII (original) the Cosmo Canyon boss Gi Nattak appears to be a evil, creepy looking stone face with fangs. However when battle begins Gi Nattak is now a floaty undead Native American spirit.
@@Airjet2582 yep and as someone else pointed out there's the two headed dragon on the mountain leading into the crater...heck there's also the dragon in the temple of the ancients as well as the random demon door. FF loves this trope, they could probably make a video based on FF surprise bosses alone.
Maz Koshia from Breath of the Wild's DLC was a bit like this. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a boss fight at the end of the challenges, but every other monk just quietly faded away, so when he stood up it was a real moment.
I have two suggestions from TotK, spoilers below. My first suggestion is Queen Gibdo. The gameplay loop for each of the four regions follow a mostly similar pattern, you arrive, find the regional phenomena, get the help of the sage of the region, solve a puzzle to open the way to the temple, fight a mini boss, make your way to the temple, complete the temple, and fight the boss. There are slight variations to this rule with each region, but the Gerudo region does it very differently because you fight the final boss of the dungeon as the mini boss. I have seen many unprepared players struggle more with the mini boss fight against Queen Gibdo than against the final encounter since such a difficult encounter comes basically out of nowhere. I also would give my vote to Phantom Ganon. In particular, the ones that spawn after defeating Gloom Hands. While many TotK players, myself included, are in agreement that Phantom Ganon is easier than the Gloom Hands that came before it, it is an entirely unexpected encounter after having just dealt with one of the hardest enemies in the game. Phantom Ganon is also very capable of crushing the unprepared player, as hiding on a cliff and firing explosives, a tactic that is effective against the Gloom Hand, is completely useless against Phantom Ganon due to his ability to teleport.
I'd say the king gleeoks on the sky islands could count too, the first time you see them, since not only can it be difficult to even get there, even if you predicted a fight you'd probably expect a flux construct since all you ever see on sky islands are constructs.
In Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean, there's a boss fight during what really feels like the final ending cutscenes! First-act villain Geldoblame returns, showing up as a grotesque, disembodied head made of dirt, emerging from the earth just to annoy you. He's not even difficult, he's just there!
While not totally unexpected, in Dragon Age Inquisition you start preparing for some major final conquest (because RPG tropes) and Corypheus just kinda shows up on your doorstep and you're like, "Oh. OK." 🤷🏽♂️
“Because honestly, who had US senator is actually secretly a megalomaniacal insane monster powered by experimental nano machines on their bingo card?” American here. Until the nano machines came up, all of that just seemed like another Tuesday around here…
You can say Sans was a surprise, but I'll tell you one thing as a player who has done all the major endings.... he warned me, I'm the one who didn't listen. I blame noone but myself for my bad time but I will never forget it
I feel like a lot of bosses from the Shadow Hearts series can count, especially if it's more for the silly factor like side quests, but the final boss of Shadow Hearts 1 turning out to be an alien/god thing that the main antagonist was seeking the power of has got to count for something, especially in an alternate history setting pre-WW1.
That one two-headed dragon boss in FFVII that's just hanging out in the middle of a hallway. It's not even visible onscreen, it just pops up like a random encounter and has an assload of HP for no reason.
Another surprise for the stray demon is if you pass him the first time and carry on you can later renter the stray demon room from a balcony above. If you wait on the balcony, the stray demon looks at you from below like he can't hit you, but if you wait long enough, he jumps up and smashes you off the balcony.
I thought Undyne was gonna show up on this list, because she was really unexpected in my opinion. Like, you were gonna kill monster kid and then Undyne pops out of nowhere right in front of him.
I wouldnt count anything from the genocide route as "unexpected", since you have intentionally make it happen by killing everything. It's highly unlikely that anyone managed to steer into genocide their first time around.
Devola and Popola from Nier Replicant. You start your raid on the main antagonists castle. You're ready to rip him to pieces for taking your sister, but, then, your intercepted by who were practically your mums, and forced to fight them
Oceanhorn 2: The last boss fight against Oceanhorn. Up until now he was helping you defeat an entire army of ships. You were just preparing for an epic confrontation with that giant floating god orb of destruction thing, and suddenly you here “death ray activated” from behind and he starts shooting lasers at you.
In Bloodborne should your character the good hunter refuse to leave the hunter's dream, then you fight Gehrman the first hunter. Normally defeating Gehrman is where the game comes to an end unless you've collected and consumed the lengths of umbilical cord in which case after defeating Gehrman, another boss shows up to fight you out of nowhere, the Moon Presence. Gehrman can also be considered an unexpected boss fight.
Don't forget to actually consume those umbilical cords before fighting Gehrman though. The fight only happens if you consume 3 cords; there are 4 in the game, so you only need to get 3 of them, but you have to consume them rather than just holding onto them.
such a classic list!! can I suggest the Celestial Emissary from Bloodborne? if only cuz I remember how surprised Luke was by it- I think he said something like "well it's safe to drop down here" right before it started ^.^ thanks for all the awesome videos as always!! edit: also, re US senators turning out to be megalomaniacal monsters powered by nanomachines, well, I guess the nanomachines part IS pretty implausible >.
Dancer of the Boreal Valley. You JUST beat the Lothric brothers and get randomly dropped off into a whole 'nother boss before you can even take a breath (and overloaded with souls from the last boss)!
One of my favorite out of nowhere bosses is Tower Tooth from Twisted Metal:Head On. After beating all the stages and fighting Dark Tooth, the classic final boss of the series, out of literally nowhere, here comes a big ass building in tank threads and a giant clown head.
Back when I played the first Kingdom Hearts and was battling through the final world, I found myself floating in a dark space. Then I heard the opening chords of A Night on Bald Mountain. I was immediately like "No, they wouldn't." Then I saw Chernabog rise out of the mountain and I shouted "Are you freaking kidding me?!" Fortunately, the fight turned out to not be that tough.
If you make another one of these, I'd like to suggest Charon, from Hades. Stealing from him is a BAD idea!! Also for a more recent example: Phantom Ganon.
I remember the last boss fight in Lord of the Rings: The Third Age; you basically follow the same path of the fellowship, and at the end you fight the witch king in that big fight, one cutscene that explains nothing and BAM, you are in the tower of Sauron, fighting a giant eye made of fire
Yeah, I just teleport from the fields of Pelennor in Gondor, across all of Ephel Duath, the mountains of Shadow, skip the plateau of Gorgoroth, no time to waste scaling the Fortress of Barad-dur, I've got to punch Sauron right in his big stupid eyeball.
I personally love the Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots' ending, where you not only get to fight your rival one last time, but in a completely different way that you're used to: a Tekken-style fist fight 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The boss fight at the end of the Imperial Felucia level in Star Wars: The Force Unleashed is certainly one that I felt completely trolled by. Because, of course it's not bad enough that most of the level sees you having to negotiate your way through the bowels of a gigantic Sarlac. No, no. Then you're greeted by a cutscene that introduces you to Bail Organa and Maris Brood. Brilliant, you think. Another lightsaber duel. But, no. The cutsence closes by introducing you to the Bull Rancor, a creature who takes a standard Rancor encounter and multiplies it by about ten. And then, after you're finally done with that, you eventually get the boss fight against Maris Brood, and she has some really shifty force powers that no other enemy in the game has had thus far. Brilliant again.
I feel like the Isshin bossfight in Sekiro is even more unexpected than this video says. Because prior to this bossfight, you meet Isshin, who is a sick, old man. He also is your ally throughout the game. He also dies from his sickness a couple of hours before the final boss!
To be fair, Sans gives you a pretty clear warning. The 'bad time' scene is amazing, you really feel that he means business. For me, Toriel and photoshop Flowey felt the most unexpected.
So many bosses in Undertale are "unexpected" in one way or another and that leaves them all feeling so fresh and memorable. But yeah, Flowey is less of a "unexpected boss" and more of a "excuse me what the heck am I playing right now-"
Not only that, but with Sans from Undertale. Flowey does foreshadow a Sans fight. He tells you that Sans whom he calls "Smiley Trashbag" isn't someone the player should get too close, and Flowey explained that it cost most of his saves.
"Final Fantasy 9 returns to wholesome" (game features steampunk airship battles that involve slow motion death, robots with souls coming to the crushing realization of their origin, and at least three scenes where a summon kills basically everyone in a town, including one involving a giant mouth black-holing a massive steampunk city where you get to watch civilians getting helplessly sucked into the void)
I'd like to say that the final boss fight in the Silver Snow Route of Fire Emblem Three Houses was completely unexpected. You stopped the war you defeated TWSITD everything seems to be right as rain you're even going to become the Ruler of Fodlin and Rhea goes crazzy and you have to kill her just because she became weak and couldn't contain her dragon from any more. And it doesn't make much sense when you have Verdant Wind being a similar route but you don't have to fight Rhea.
Tbh the Verdant Wind bossfight is also insane - and I didn't even think anything of it because it was my first ending lol. But after playing through the others, it's kind of insane that (SPOILERS) a literal army of undead warriors just kind of show up to battle you to the death, like bruh excuse me sir what- And that's the route with the LEAST lore exposition about said warriors lol
@@drawingdragon Didn't Rhea explain to Claude and Byleth all about Nemies in the ten elites and how they got their weapons and crests? Also that route makes it even weirder that you also don't fight rhea when the exact same events happened to her in that route too.
Well Jane, that's why we got you all that health and the arena for your birthday. To fight a boss. We didn't know it had an infestation of sword saints.
The gag where Jane and Ellen swap was great and creative! "It's like they weren't even thinking about continuity, swapping out characters at the last second. See? It's weird." Your gags are always so funny and creative. I really enjoy your writing especially the pun titles 🤣. Keep it up guys.
*snrrk* The character swap punchline was very well done. And all I can think is that the Asylum Demon's butt weakened that floor JUST ENOUGH that a higher-level character would be too heavy for it upon their return. It's all the rings, you see.
Ok I know there was an undertale boss mentioned here and I know these areTECHNICALLY mini bosses but there are two unexpected bosses in the canine unit (neither are hard but still). One is the lesser dog who has no cutscene before the fight he just shows up. Two is the greater dog who pops out of a snow poff at the end of the room, barks at you and then starts the fight.
OK, but what about Monk Maz Koshia from Zelda Breath of the Wild. We fight a monk who normally help in our Quest in fighting Ganon and never lifts a finger.
Even the reward for beating him was a surprise, who would've expected to get a literal motorbike in a legend of zelda game. Apparently Eiji Aonuma (series producer) really wanted it to be a thing and finally got it approved when they were trying to think of a dlc completion reward.
It's not a difficult boss fight by any means, but in Dragons Dogma after you beat the dragon, you have a fight with the Duke, a former arisen himself whose age catches up with him when the dragon is killed
I still just love that after all the cyborg mercenaries and giant robots you fight, the toughest opponent in Metal Gear Rising is a guy in a suit (soon to be shirtless guy in pants).
Beyond Good and Evil doesn't just only go full steam at the start of the game, throwing a horde of enemies at you, but also with a boss fight barely 10 minutes into the game. BGAE stays true to "I don't know who I am, I don't know where I am, all I know is I have to kill."
