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Apparently you didn’t go shopping for the right wife Scott. Hell, mine has bought me the major part of my favorite collection. I keep her just as happy with her wants and needs however. Finding the right spouse in this hobby (passion) is 100% mandatory.
John Prophet lol Well it’s just an opinion but it was also the most deadly sniper in US Military history, Chris Kyle, preferred round (being the 300 Win Mag) reason being is that it was way cheaper than the 338 per shot but still had amazing knock down power at crazy ranges like 1 mile +. But that Chris Kyle reference wasn’t just a counter argument to what you said about a round out performing another round...it’s not the round homie, it’s the shooter...the round only really matters when it comes to power, speed as well as utility for things like armor piercing application...
@@GrimScripts ... ThankYou sir for mentioning US Navy SEAL Chris Kyles’ expertise as a sniper. His longest kill shot was 2,100+ yards. Almost twice the effective range for 300 Win Mag. May God Rest his soul✝️🇺🇸
Excellent shooting Mark, very informative, you touched on something I have never heard anyone ever mention in distance shooting was how the bullet behaved when travelling at supersonic speed and the effect of vibration when slowing down. You hear this when referring to supersonic fighter jets and the effect of sonic boom but never in shooting.
Don't know if the 7mm got there more quickly unless you timed it and know for sure. The 7mm required 4 more elevation clicks than the 300... It starts faster but the heavy 300 retains velocity a bit better at that range.
The 300 win mag is more versatile round lighter grain bullets Have been known to go fast enough from that rifle to spin the jacket off of them ! But that will do you very much good long distance . You need the weight of the Bullard to carry speed downrange . The notary was just testing this two rounds .
My half dozen or so, 1000yard shots over the past few years are my big claim to fame. Lol now I find a breezy day video of 2300 yards. That's damn impressive!
Thanks Man, as for the 300 Norma, well it good round, nothing much more or less than it neighbors, but not that many around the place, the SOCOM choice may have some sound logic that is not obvious in real world performance, but some of these decisions defiantly fuel the need for more sales to get the new cool round in their possession, 6.5 Creedmoor for example. Cheers and all the best.
Have been hunting with the 7mm Rem Mag for a number of years and love it! It might seem Overkill ,hunting deer with this round, but with good shot placement you get Instant Kills with no suffering and less meat contamination. Good video
moritz wassmann I've tracked two monster bucks shot by friends that can shoot,as you know big bucks don't lie down easily.the bullet is so fast I think it doesn't expand under 100 yards.the 7-08 however opens up almost as much as a 30 cal at treestand shooting distance,I'll never own one.
Over kill ...really....it is about killing the animal period...I went from a 7mm to a 338 wm so nothing would ever walk away.....7mm was get 338 is always taking meat home where you hit it at.....
@@deerhunter7482 treestand hunting less than 150yds is not the intention of the 7mmRemMag. I would say 300-800yds. It's kind of the 0.270 big brother for a few hundred more yards.
Yes and of course the 300 still has more, but not talking about hunting or killing, just ELR target shooting and I would not want get in the road of either, Cheers
Great shooting. I used your data, guessing at some, and plugged both cartridges into the JBM online ballistics program. It appears that the program doesn't quite agree with your drops. This is not too surprising considering the range. The program had the 300 dropping 110.8 moa and the 7 dropping 123.5 moa. A little surprising was the point at which they went subsonic 1750 for the 7 and 1900 for the 300, considering they only differed by 50fps at the target. Great fun once again.
Thanks man, yes most ballistic calculators get a little out of wack at these ranges, i tweak what I use with lots of data, to get them in tune, all good fun, Cheers and all the best.
What loads are you talking about? ..the best factory load i can find with siera match king bullets for 300 win mag becomes subsonic before reaching 1400 yards ...you must be talking about some unicorn load...what load is it if it exists i need to get my hands on some
Dragon800 the farthest kill shot I’ve ever heard was at about 1700 yards on a whitetail deer so them rounds is plenty enough rifle for most big game at almost any range
@@rockie307 that actually makes quite the difference for me. I’m not good at stalking, and my standard shot range for elk turns into 500-600 yards on average. Your comment actually made up my mind on the matter.
I own a Rem 700 BDL 7mm mag. I have had it for nearly 30 years - killed many a deer with it. It’s always been my go to gun. Longest kill was on a Colorado Muley at approx 600 yards. Amazing gun. I feel the 300 is a pretty good round too. I bought mine cause it is a great round for anything from white tails up to elk.
MarkandSam...thanks for posting your vids, please keep it up, The long range shooting sport really needs more acceptance by the uneducated crowd. Long range shooting is not always about shooting deer. BTW excellent shooting and load development!
Very Cool Mark! And Sam does a great job spotting! Two of the best cartridges side by side. I have the 7mm and shoot the 168gr and 180gr Bergers. What is you chosen method for load development for the ELR. Groups, Standard Deviation, Ladder, OCW or a combo of any? I've hit a mile with the 180gr Berger in a stock Savage Long Range Hunter. I only used Standard Deviation for my load development. Kevin
Hi Mark and Sam, great shooting and spectacular shooting range you have there. Being from Vic im jealous of the open ranges you westralians have at your beck and call. As a person who is looking to get his first long range rifle, i have looked many times at the APRS rifles. Seeing you shoot just as good with a modified stock rem, i beg to ask you, how much approx did the rem cost you after modifying against an APRS which i know is worth over $6500 AUD .
Hi Glen, depends how much you do, cost would be similar for similar results, and doing your self you can spend even more if you take a couple of cracks at it. The factory Rem LR is great bang for the buck and a great place to start, but if you plan to go all the way as we have or even further with the likes of a heavy barrel, would be cheaper to start with the APRS, all the best bits from the start, Cheers
Thanks for that, thats exactly what i wanted to know. I believe i will consider an APRS rifle then as i dont have the time or experience to start from scratch, and one of their rifles will do more than i can shoot lol.
6.5 creedmoor is a very versatile round, it's a great gun. I don't have one but a friend does and has used it from small game up to mule deer with fantastic success.
The 6.5 is a 300 win mag with out the hurt shoulder but u can turn up the winmag and out shine the 6.5 any day. We just got done shooting 800 yards Sunday with the 6.5
I would have liked to see a 180gr 300WM round against the 180gr 7MM. MV would have been very similar. Wind effect and I suspect SD would have also been closer to equal. Getting the powder weight a bit closer would be interesting also. Great team you have.
appreciate your comments on the newer bullets. you mentioned a few I'm familiar with but I was wondering if you have any experience with the new hornady eld bullets. they have recently put some very new bullets on the market that claim to have very high b.c. In particular a .30 cal 225 grain bullet with a claimed b.c. of .777. guess I'm wondering if you have experience with these type of bullets? thanks for the great vids.
They sound like a great bullet, but no I have not tried, also my comments are not saying that any are actually not going to work, just that some may not, if they don't work don't be surprised or blame the rifle, and try before you order a 1000. Cheers and all the best.
That's some good shooting, period. I watched the wind blowing throughout this video and was quite impressed with his ability to get on target with so few shots for each caliber. I've hunted with both and found the 7mm Remington to be much easier to deal with on all levels. That being said, I use a 7x57 Mauser which has hardly any recoil and is great for my hunting needs of 25-175-ish yards for whitetail deer. Again, that was some great shooting!
Great shots. Myself...I prefer the 300 win mag. Decent conditions but still some wind to deal with...so have congratulate U on a couple of great shots. Awesome to hit n so few shots from either gun!
MarkandSam AfterWork...how does the 7mm equate to caliber? The 300 wm is 30 caliber?? The 7mm was smaller by grains, but the 300 wm is larger n circumference??
MarkandSam AfterWork...Sorry to ask the size, but I've never shot or seen one n person. Awesome shooting & Sam does a great job as spotter too. Thanks again.
Really, well 7mm is diameter, just the same as 30 cal is diameter, one is metric and one is imperial like a.223 is the same size as 5.56mm. I think maybe you should do some basic research / reading on fire arms. Cheers all the best.
Hi Mark and Sam. Thanks for the amazing education you guys provide! Just wondering how close to the lands you load those Berger 230 OTM for the Win Mag please?
Michael Newey I think that would be a more fair comparison. The .300 win is max out with the Berger hybrid at 230 grn the 7mm mag should be max out with the Berger 195 grn hybrid. I would also like to see the standard deviation for each load that would effect a lot.
Thanks Michael, have not tried those yet, when i did the maths decided that the 180's would be best choice as I could not run enough powder in the stock 7mm chamber to get enough fps to make the 195's a benefit, but some day I will have test to be sure. Cheers and all the best
Hi Matthew, i will have test at some stage, when i did the maths decided that the 180's would be best choice as I could not run enough powder in the stock 7mm chamber to get enough fps to make the 195's a benefit. Cheers and all the best.
Thanks for the reply. Just for interest's sake, I asked Bob Beck of EOL (who inspired this bullet which was designed by Bryan Litz) about the 7mm Rem Mag performance with the 195s and he said they get approx. 2850 fps with them in a standard SAAMI chamber.
Interesting, I didn't/don't think I would get quiet that speed in this rifle, I did my maths on an expected MV of 2800 fps, but will have to see, someday. Cheers
I am very curious to learn what twist rates your barrels are for these... Also a deep dive discussion on bullet stabilization for ELR vs LR would be very informative and entertaining!
You know your stuff sir. I have both and before the video started I new the conclusion. Wonderful rounds. Push to shove 300 for moose over 7mm Just more horsepower at contact
You added more detail on the question I asked you the other day about dealing with subsonic flight. Why don't you try the 180 gr. Hornady ELD-M for me, their cheaper. LOL Thanks Mark and Sam.
I have a 6.5 Creedmore Bergara. Im thinking about a 300 WM by Christensen (Mesa Long Range). We have a 1,000 year range. Which is better at long range and does the 300 WM have too much recoil. I'm turning 70 this year
Hi Fred, lots of videos on our channel to help with that sort decision, but I do not offer personal recommendations, maybe ask a few of the guys at your range, but if only 1000 yards the 6.5cm will do that very easily and be nicer to shoot, Cheers
All things being equal I'm wondering if rifle twist makes any difference. Because they make 300 Win Mag in one in ten and one in eleven. But I believe 7 mm Remington mag is 1 in 9.45 in. I have shot 1 in 10 twist 300 Win Mag and 1 in 11 twist 300 Win Mag same barrel length and surprising difference of about 8% more energy with the faster twist.
I built me a custom wild cat hunting rifle that is a balance between your two rifles..... it is a blown out 7mm weatherby cartridge with a 37 degree shoulder and 91 grain capacity shooting the 195 grain berger hybrids with a bc1 of .755.... It shoots them with a velocity of 2970 with an extreme spread of 5 shots of only 5 ft/sec. I never calculated the sd's but it is very good. a lot of brass prep, weight sorted brass, powder charge less than .02 grains variation, bullet length of ogive sorted and by weight..... It has a custum cut single point barrel with a 1.3 inch diameter 4 inch long shank that tapers to .8 at muzzle.... no muzzle break, a lot of fun to shoot and a good long range gun for windy conditions for deer.....
MarkandSam AfterWork I just watched your 4k video.... very nice.... I was wondering how you were controlling the rear bag.... looked like a neat set up....
Thanks, we designed and make them our selves, we also make them to sell, if interested email us at mkelse@westnet.com.au and Sam will send you some details, Cheers
Nice shooting, your wind data gives me pause, a slower bullet with a larger wind cross section should require a greater windage adjustment? Thanks for the video.
Witch 1 do you prefer if you could only have one rifle??? I'm looking for a good long gun to add to my collection. I will use this gun for hunting bigger game and long range practice shooting. I'm not worried about the recoil I already shoot a 338 Win Mag.
Great shots. From America it's actually surprising to see you guys out shooting in AUS. As far as we hear over here, you guys are very limited in what you can own and shoot?
why cant you make a vid of a average guy or gal buying a stock rifle in 300 win mag or 7mm mag with a average scope and see what it will hit not some custom made rifle it is like these fucking car shows on tv the average person can not afford snap on tools or welders ect.
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What is your twist on the 7mm rem mag? I’m working on a custom 700 in 7mm rem mag. And my twist is 9.5. I don’t know if that’s enough to stabilize the burger 180. If it’s not I’m thinking of the hornady 168
We use heavy bullets for extreme range shots, there are far better having a way higher BC, a bit of research will help you understand, Cheers and all the best.
2342 yards, wow that's beyond impressive. I do have a .300 Winchester magnum hunting rifle and it can shoot .25" to .50" inch groups at 200 yards using Hornady 168 grain bullets. I've never used Berger bullets before because I don't have loading data for them and I'm not sure if they have a reloading manual.
Am I the only one that can hear the bullet flying through the air? Had to turn up the volume on head phones but it’s definitely the bullet! Love the content, cheers.
I have always been told 165 grain is the best for 7mm. I shoot winchester Ballistic Silvertip 140 grain. One reason is the health of my shoulder. The other is the speed of the 7mm does tend to shoot clean through without expanding. Ballistic tip helps with that. And i feel 140 grain is all that's needed for white tail. I did shoot a 30 lb pig once at 200 yards behind the shoulder with this round. Bullet never touched a bone. Just poked a hole clean through. He squealed and ran 15 yards before bleeding out. But man what a flat shooting round.
