8 things I hate about the Onewheel GT.. Should you get one? GT vs WTF XR (Part 2/2: cons) 

Thanks dude! Been riding since Aug 2019, so it's been 2.5 yrs, best years of my life ☺️ Starting with the pint helped a lot I think. Appreciate u watching, more to come 🤙🏻

Got water damage on my BMS and it's been 600 dollars getting it repaired but having one of the early XRS that's repairable not to mention having a BMS that hasn't been crippled. I also has a cbxr battery new. Give me the board that can be repaired over the board that gives me more power but is crippled by heat and many other drawbacks that don't make it worth it not to mention not being able to repair it is such a huge drawback I'm keeping my XR. And to those are that are selling their XR pre-4210. You dumb, dumb motherfuckers. Even after all the drama and being without my board for 4 months just having the capacity to be able to pull out just a single chip and ship it for far cheaper than sending the whole board off not to mention future motion has screwed us on shipping option because they violated the shipping laws. Longer future motion is in business the more I'm realizing that the peak was the XR and everything that's coming after is shit

@Matthew Hayslett Get an euc :)

Yeah I mean anything is better that just straight up ignoring peoples interest in repairing and improving their product. Of course the company is fearful of modifications or botched repairs leading to injury. To spitball a random solution, if they just made their safety mechanisms modular so that you can open it up and fix it yourself with more of the liability being clear where if the hardwired safety mechanism is tampered with. And make a big yellow tag that has a warning about not tampering with the safety module. Then futuremotion can better defend themselves in court. They way they’re playing it now, with the ghosting issues, they better start directly addressing problems and pivoting or their reputation is going to suffer. Like this will be remembered as a big failure or a windfall moment of redemption. And not the kind of uptight pandering apple pulled with their 80lb repair kits for your iPhone.

the principle of supporting RTR is why purposely put so much effort to prevent modding? safety? pff. Why pair the bms & battery, hardwire the battery housing to controller, brick the board when trying to mod? It's all hindering innovation. Anyway as of now it doesn't make much sense to vesc a gt, because 1) most are still under warranty, 2) the connectors are proprietary so modding them to fit the vesc controller will be a PITA, 3) gt motor is the same as XR so same power capacity. The bigger battery box is nice, but currently I have an 84V battery in my XR stock box, and it can hit 31+mph without reaching pushback, and insane torque. XR platform is just far better to vesc, along with lower center of gravity and better mods (rails, bumpers etc). better to get the 2000W fungineers motor and an extended XR battery box for CBCSO or TORque pack :)

Hey, I want to chime in on the 'honest' thing. I'm not sold on the GT either, and agree with Max on most points, but people who like it more than we do aren't necessarily being dishonest. I know you didn't say it verbatim but the implication is certainly there. If they have different demands/priorities this might be a heavenly board for them. That's not being dishonest at all, just a differerent assessment of the same facts.

@@astheworldburns3590 I know. It's infuriating. Future Motion is abusing their monopoly in a ruthless manner. That has nothing to do with someone liking the board for what it is being dishonest, though. That's all I'm saying. Sometimes it seems like only the harsh reviews are seen as 'honest'. I think that's not fair to the people who just like something being labelled as 'dishonest'. For what it's worth, I'm getting angrier by the day at Future Motion for how they are treating their customers.

@@astheworldburns3590 For some people it might be. For many others not so much. It's subjective. If you accuse somebody of being dishonest, you are saying, that they want to deceive you. I don't want to exaggerate this discussion into anything more than it is. Some people like it without being dishonest about it, i. E. not purposefully trying to hide the negatives. They either don't see the negatives as enough to dampen their enjoyment, or really haven't encountered any (yet). One is lying, the other is an opinion different from ours. That has to still be possible. Now I'm starting to paraphrase and repeat myself. I think I've explained it enough. If I haven't made a good enough point, I will have to live with my failure.

You ain't missed out on much! Mod that xr with upgraded rails, battery, lift kit and you're gonna be on cloud 9 🌥️

@@MaxxSend truer words never spoken. And dump the frame the grade of metal is cheap, bends and strips out easy. Go aftermarket and get it powder coated like I did before install. The stuff lasts. Don't know why FM didn't do it to the OWs. There paint comes off so easily.

Hell yea you're welcome dude! Happy to hear the tutorial series helped 😊 Consider trying the half&half lift for ur wtf, feels sooo good on trails. Much love 👊🏻

Yes it was quite the let down, we didn't even start the main section and it overheated.. Not even sure if a firmware update can fix it, seems more like the hardware. Gotta say tho, I'm 193 lbs and can feel that uphill torque increase, prob ~10-15%more. Take off the fangs and trust the float plates and/or bang bumpers to let u sliidde 🤙🏻

Thanks!! For sure it's an awesome street cruiser with a solid nose. Felt like a tank riding at pushback and nose dragging. As soon as the over heating (and maybe battery longevity) is resolved, you're gonna love the uphill torque. I'd put my finger at around 10-15% increase over CBXR. But everything else trail related diminishes the appeal of the GT, especially the loss in clearance.

Damn random nosedives, does it shut down? You may want to check the back of ur bms, over time the battery box slots dig into the bms and creates grooves. Scary stuff. I like to put some soft tape on the back of all my bms 🤙🏻

@@MaxxSend- Yeah, it shuts off after a nosedive. Ok will check it. Thnx man. Glad I found your channel.

thanks for the support! lovin' my lifted W varials. Check out some of the more recent VESC vids, hope you can try it one day :)

CBXR has higher amp discharge than stock battery so depending on your riding you may indeed end up overpowering the bms. Stock battery housing is fine for cbxr, but the badger box is more spacious. However you'll need the custom badger rear bumper to fit with the badger box. Btw I no longer ride fm boards, instead I ride VESC, which is wayy more powerful and better! Check out some of the vids after this to see why :)

find a good used XR and wait for them to come out with something truly superior to the XR cuz the GT aint it..

Still a bit early to jump on the bandwagon. That killz suspension is pillowwyy. Now that's some real innovation! FM has been sitting on their link suspension for years, where is it?? You're not missing much with the gt as is.

​@@MaxxSend I wonder if the PintX will be the new modder's champion. I think the first person to dare to make wider PintX foot pads like the Platypus for XR is going to make a ton.

Thanks bro! Totally agree, gt is awesome and plenty for many people, and hopefully gets better ✌🏻

Thanks for tuning in bro! I don't sell anything as of now. This shop is my friend Shawn's @santacruzwheelslip. It truly is a blessing to have someone pretty close to help take care of board issues.. Bummer there aren't many in Aus, maybe you can be the first in ur town! 🎵👊🏻

appreciate it!

modded XR is the way to go. Xr has been refined by the community, a lot cheaper and nearly the same benefits. Gt just has too many deliberate roadblocks for RTR and aside from the slight boost in torque, feels like it's going backwards..

@@MaxxSend Totally agree. I have heard that even though there are some limitations depending on the firmware you have for the XR, you can still work around it which is nice. When I get one, I plan to get a fender with foot holds and a nice rail. Maybe a battery upgrade in the future.

he pretty much summed it all up with that face!

Appreciate it! Yes for sure worth it. Gives a nice locked in feel and better clearance angles once you lift it. The only thing is u need a tilt mod for the controller to get back the original riding mode settings, especially mission.

Gt is a pretty big risk for intl users like yourself.. Xr is a better option rn. I'm gonna try vesc myself!

Thanks brotha. Wow bone stock XR over GT is a big statement! Even with a vega? I'd say the breakeven point for me would be a stock XR with kush wide and TX-33 lol

@@MaxxSend yep even with a vega! Which I’m fluent on vega, but still. I’m doing my GT vs XR series completely stock. Got a burris for the XR when I’m done.

It’s the tire , it’s too round , torque is superb

I would have to agree. I am looking to upgrade to a onewheel in the near future and the price point is the big hitter for me. I can get a second hand XR for 1200. Even if the GT has a slight upperhand at stock, the difference of $800 can be put towards mods which easily up it for me.

thanks! The upgrades list is at 0:03.. More detailed breakdown in Part 1

yes, breakdown at 0:03..

I'm sure once the gt is fully decked out with available upgrades and refined settings, it should be the better performer. It's already getting better feedback with the new firmware update. However if they don't allow us to repair, and continue to make the board brick if you disconnect the BMS, I will not support the gt and instead fully go with VESC and my current modded xrs.

After all these years I was hoping for more innovation. Especially since they're sitting on a suspension patent.. But confident our aftermarket gurus will help it reach its full potential!

@@MaxxSend Yeah honestly... Especially the footpad, the one big thing differentiating it from the pint x, is a big fail imo. They would see that the wide kush was very popular if they did any research and it makes a lot more sense to chamfer it outwards rather than like this. Its not like its an iphone and you need to safe every milimeter to fit it inside your pocket. Same with the clearance, thats the thing ALOT of the mods tried to modify on the XR. I expected they would redesign it a bit into a triangle so that the bulk of the materials are closer to the tire where it matters the least and it can get slimmer with more clearance towards the tip. But no instead they actually fill up even the remaining space and add an extra half inch just to make it equal on both sides. If not even people like you, who have devoted a good chunk of money and time to these boards, are convinced its the latest and greatest, then i dont see new people be too willing to purchase an expensive GT rather than an used XR. I personally will just wait. Hope the software can fix the balance on jumps for you and maybe the overheating too. Or maybe finally some knock off company makes a decent one wheel to start a competition and make them try harder.

Leatt knee/shin guards

I think it's always a good idea to provide some protection to your board. While you may lose a bit more clearance, I'd still get them until tfl comes out with the gt bangs.

If you like to bonk, nudge or do drops to a decline during trail rides, it absolutely makes a significant improvement. You clip things on the nose/tail way less

@@MaxxSend would you recommend it to anyone who is running the W rails looking to ride trails?

@@tritoncorp if u are into the things I mentioned above yes

I didn't hit pushback that often on trails since I was testing more on technical features. Didn't go too much faster than 17mph so it wasn't an issue. For street riding it was way more noticeable and annoying. It only overheated once when I tested it for about 2 hours. But it overheated on 2 other occasions with its owner. All in all, I still greatly prefer a modded XR :)

Motor is unchanged from the XR, battery is much beefier using state of the art cells capable of delivering much higher watts without getting warm, so I'd say neither. It must be the controller in its newly designed enclosure and how it transfers heat to the frame/environment

@@surfdado you make good points. But it could still be the motor methinks. Wondered if Max checked the app to see the three temps. There’s a video of a guy that rode his GT up a long grade in Hawaii and it shut down due to overheating. The hub cover plate was so hot he couldn’t leave his finger on it for more than a second.

My GT motor is overheating with moderate use. With a plus following me my GT errored at 185 and the plus motor was around 160. I got 3 miles before the error.

@@floatfanatics8850 oh wow - I was going to respond above that it makes sense that the increased power capability of the GT can indeed more easily overheat the motor, if that additional power is actually used. But in your case it sounds like even when the same amount of work is done (i.e. transport the rider up a hill at equal speed) the GT overheats more easily. It could be that the GT's motor mount and the rails are less efficient at transferring heat away from the motor. That is indeed very disappointing

I'm not quite sure which, I would assume it's the motor, as if there was any issue with the battery cells most likely it would start captain morganing. But could be both!

A fragile tank or bulky princess 🙈

Bummer! Seems they have been on top of resolving issues pretty quickly

breakdown at 0:03..

@@MaxxSend Thank you. Sorry I missed that. Can I get the CBXR? I bought the XR new around Christmas and I thought someone said I can't upgrade battery with the firmware I have. Or did I understand that wrong? I'd love the extra range.

@@jainubeezy1 no worries. you will just need a 'JWFFM' chip from JW batteries, plus the CBXR or JWXR, installed correctly.

Agree that launches are usually rough. But I don't have too much hope they're gonna change many things, more hopeful that our aftermarket gurus will come up with innovative improvements 😊

@@MaxxSendI don't think FM is handling this launch competently. The way they are handling the delays. The way they obviously didn't have outside input before they finished determining their flagships characteristics. The way they are letting customers beta-test their product. The irrational decision to not establish service points outside of their Santa Cruz home, making it mindblowingly expensive and time consuming to repair anything. For them and us. Etc, etc. Rough is an understatement. This is the arrogance of a monopoly on full display. Imagine any car manufacturer behaving this way. Unfathomable. Your Toyota doesn't turn on, after a day? Ok, send it back to Japan. Listen, my car just drove into traffic by itself. No, worries, it's just the sensitive gas pedal. Only a lot of our not paid brand ambassadors experienced this. No biggie. Oh, just the gas pedal? How nonchalant. Are you insane? Your car is obviously not ready for release, yet. Also, leaving the narrative about all of this in the hands of social media by making zero official statements is marketing suicide, but you do you, FM. Great launch.

Have you tried a Street Pro or Whisper? Both of those better than the GT slick!

Yes, I am a Whisper die-hard. I really wish the GT had a better tire. However, on smooth pavement it is pleasant. It’s the side hussle where is gets hard on the joints, lol.

Yea I noticed that. But by the time it comes to a stop it may be over a cliff already lol

elbow is by Fox Titan, Leatt 3.0 EXT knee/shin guard

@@MaxxSend excellent thanks! I will check them out

Very valid point. I didn't want to get into the real deep stuff like this but it needs to be said. How can you deliberately cause the product to brick when you are trying to understand your own product? I was utterly shocked (then quickly wasn't surprised) when I learnt this. Furthermore the battery is now hardwired to the controller, making things even more tricky.. Really appreciative of an overall amazing product bringing us joy, but they are pushing us away after taking our money.. 🤦🏻‍♂️😒

It's a general consensus amongst the heavier senders that the gt is way more tail happy than the xr. Have u tried a significant downhill drop and/or bonk with the gt yet without significant tail drag? Would love to see some of your footage to be enlightened. You are theory based instead of execution lol. Did u not listen to my conclusion? I am as unbiased as possible and gave the gt credit where it's due, especially in my Part 1 vid of the pros that I like. But I'm sure you haven't informed yourself from that yet. What benefit do u imagine I get from being biased? 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

Not sure if you saw he did land on the tire once or twice and it still tail dragged. He also found that on bumps, his foot fell more forward due to the weight of the board. Together, that means that leaning forward would either do nothing or shoot him off the front of the board. Not sure if you watched the whole vid mate.

Interesting.. it shouldn't be there! Felt I did everything I could to land that flat on tire but it still denied me

They absolutely did little to no testing/feedback with the community and hardcore riders. Aftermarket gurus will help the product reach its full potential, per usual..

Agreed. Hopefully they straighten themselves up or they will quickly lose a lot of revenue over the lack of sales.

Gotta say I kinda agree. They had years to make something more innovative but this is all they got? Where's the suspension they have a patent for..

Wow, my GT is amazing. I already have 150 miles on it. Tons of fun. I’ve only done one big hill

Very peculiar right? The main issues are the rails flaring out at the ends and the thickness of the bumpers causing the loss of the clearance. Even with a wtf *without* lift kit and a stock rail with float plates, they still have approx 0.25" more clearance than gt.. Almost 1" more with lifted wtf

@@MaxxSend yeah but how many nosedrags did you do on that XR haha

@@JakeLeary hahah exactly 69 times, perfect for maximum root spoonage 😊

Or better yet, have both gfs 😏 New tech is great, but isn't necessarily better overall, especially when they are made to force us to rely on them completely. For ex, putting a lock on the bms where if you unplug it, it bricks your board.. How does that make things better? Also the battery box is hardwired to the controller box, can't disconnect. These 'enhancements' are made to try and prevent us from modding/repairing ourselves. There are some improvements, but overall where is the real innovation? They've been sitting on their suspension patent for years, yet where is it? Having 7 modded xrs, I don't see the need to spend more to have the gt. VESC looks more convincing..