VESC: the Torque King & Onewheel GT killer? 

Thanks brotha! Wanted to show the perspective from a tech-challenged guy lol. If I can adapt to this anyone can. Much love for helping throughout this process 👊🏻

your extra-nerdy vesc videos are excellent, too, tho!!! =)

You're awesome❗️

disappointed to see onewheel garbage instead of unicycles

@@Blox117 No one cares.

Open source and r2r makes it a win-win for everyone. Gt is just trying to play catch up. Let's get this innovation revolution going! 🤝🏻 More tests to come..

no its very sad to see one wheel trash instead of unicycles

I was just thinking that. I remember how much better FPV drones got just from guys playing with settings in Betaflight. Onewheel needs something like that, and I think this could be it.

I'm so happy for the innovation. Complete assembled controllers are around the corner. Can't wait for u to join one day ✌🏻

Same... I'll just wait and see what comes to fruition. If it's awesome I'll buy it once it's available to all🤙🏼

Let's gey eVESCerated!! Thanks for your help dude 🫰🏼🍻

Thanks dude. A great test vid on pump tracks comin next wk 🙉

Got an awesome vid coming up testing at a bmx track! ✌🏻

same. way better

the feel is my favorite part of vesc by far. it's like floating on another level, I call it levetating lol.

Nice mission accomplished! Hope you get to try it one day :)

thanks! glad you got to try it and the enduro finally

thanks for the support! with my latest trail settings the nose doesn't dip nor lift! battery drain is similar to stock fm, maybe a mile or two less, temp is similar too if you're not doing crazy hill climbs lol

@@MaxxSend gonna need to come out there and try that beast 😈

Hell yea dude, innovation revolution! 🤝🏻

You guys have a local shop or DYI? I'm in SD

@@DJCheLu Wheel Fun Stuff in Miramar!

@@Nosediver I didn't know they did VESC. Sweet!

@@DJCheLu Not yet, we are all building our first boards together. Hopefully it’ll turn out great 🤣

Right on! stoked for u guys, ur gonna love it ✌🏻🧈

Running the Surfdado settings now, more testing vids coming 🤘🏻

Let's go dude, u stoked to get eVESCerated??

you'll need to assemble these components for the pint. if you're not too savvy on electricity tho, I would opt for the preassembled controller for a few hundred more! www.makerspev.com/products/flowglider-diy-bundle

man id drive over there right now to pick one up! i don't trust myself to build one lol.

Thanks dude! You're gonna love it. More test vids to come..

@@notsure6070 me neither, I just want to ride the damn thing 😆

@@MaxxSend stoked 🤙🏼

It's pretty nuts how much we're held back from experiencing the motor and battery's full potential.. ⚡🔧

ikr, I was really surprised how much more torque was avail. even using a stock XR battery!!

With that said though, FM might be limiting current draw for a good reason, like e.g. prevent premature wear of the battery for example…

@@hugueslabbe7811 or to limit liability? Could be a lawyer decision rather than a performance one too…

Thanks, more a'comin!

Thanks Mike! Wanted to show the perspective from a tech-challenged person lol. If I can roll with this anyone can! I was fortunate to have a fully assembled controller sent to me by Brian at MakersPEV. They are still working on pricing for a fully assembled plug n play option. For now you'll have to order the parts separately from the links below and put it together. Which for some may actually be a fun project 😄 the biggest thing is the box, 3d printing is a great option now that you can download the public file on thingiverse. Check out the links below! Credit Lee Rowlands ✌🏻 To build a VESC like mine: Link for the 3D printed controller box from Flowglider www.thingiverse.com/thing:5325535 Where to buy all the VESC parts you need if you live in the USA www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles Where to buy all the VESC parts if you live outside of the USA customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller Where to buy a lid and seals for the controller. They may also be available from a supplier in the USA as this is from Europe. www.flowglider.com/index.php/product/wtfoc-mk2-for-little-focer-v3-hardware-pack/ Instructions customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller How to install the settings of a pro rider. customwheel.shop/blog/how-to-install-the-settings-of-a-pro-rider

@@MaxxSend ✅️🏆

Got a bmx track test vid coming next! 🤘🏻🍻

It's a life changer for the floating life! There are vids out there of assembly instructions by @surfdado, check him out 🤙🏻fully plug n play controller solutions coming soon from www.makerspev.com

thanks for the support! for a stock battery range was slightly less than stock XR, around 12 miles. I weigh 185lbs.

and more amps more speed. Got an 84V now, goes 31mph. check out the newest vid :)

Extra bonus, selling it to help fund future vesc conversions 🫰🏼

without the BMS it's more likely to be less range. It wouldn't be safe to run your battery down to zero without a BMS

@@surfdado ran it down to 2% the other day 😅

@@MaxxSend lol - I'm not saying you can't run it down to 2% - you can even run it down below 0% since there's no BMS to stop you - but you are playing with fire, literally 😂

@@surfdado I think I belong in a circus 🫣

you can do this now, all that was missing was front footpad, harness and motor, and you can all of those aftermarket! Vesc is completely fm free.

It should not require much (if any) calibration when swapping hubmotors provided they are the same type of motor. The number of poles will not change, nor the phase angle of the hall sensors etc as they are all factory set in the correct phase position when the motor is made. And even the motor inductance should be the same unless it is a different model of motor with different k:V rating.

They were kind enough to send me one preassembled. They're working on a plug n play controller solution: www.MakersPEV.com

appreciate the support! it depends on your riding style and budget. if you tend to shred hard on trails/tricks and/or more budget wary, hands down go for the XR. Super easy to vesc it and get more range/power than a gt with the right battery! if you have the budget and don't tend to ride hard, then gt is perfect for the mellow cruiser :) (gt is a bitch to repair if you break it)

yes! will be racing with it. come say hi and try it :-)

Go XR! IMHO. I started out on a Pint X and was looking to upgrade. Naturally I thought that would be the GT, as I was mainly just looking for a physically bigger board as I'm 6'3" and have big feet so the pint just isn't super comfortable for my feet on longer rides. Then I started looking into it more and more, found stuff like the CBXR and JWXR batteries, VESC, and just the absolute wealth of community and aftermarket industry that surrounds the XR. The kinda stuff that you simply can't put a price on. Tons of parts and mods out there, tons of knowledge, tons of people willing to help and share. All the kind of shit that FM is trying really hard to kill, most of all so (to date) with the GT. I was looking for a 4209 so I would have the ability to keep my XR alive for many years to come. I ultimately ended up with a 4212 and got a JWXR copper battery with the JWFFM chip. I love modding and tweaking, making stuff my own, and the XR allowed me to build an absolutely gucci board. Tail rails, grizzly bearings, badger bumpers, different footpad and grip tape, a flight fender, CNC enclosures, CNC hubs, CNC motor plate, some Ti hardware all riding on a TFL enduro.. some other little bits and bobs too. At this point, I'd take my XR over a GT any day of the week. If I got a GT, I wouldn't have been able to do a fraction of the things I was able to on the XR. And now that I have my JW chip, I can swap batteries as needed and keep it running for many years to come... And as VESC continues to develop, that is always an option as well.

yo catching up on all comments! absolutely a modded XR and/or vesc'ing it. Even with all the latest firmware updates with gt, I am still not a fan and will not buy one. Check out my most recent install vid with an 84V CBCSO battery with built in bms :) Hope you can try a VESC one day just for the smooth feeling!

@@MaxxSend Yo! Thanks for the reply. I'll have to do some searching around online to see if I can find an XR in good shape. I'm hearing mixed opinions about the GT, so the XR is definitely an appealing option right now. And I still don't have the money set aside to buy one, so there's no rush lol.

Chi battery's site. It says 72V (nominal) but good for 20S 84V max/5amp charging rate. chibatterysystems.com/products/20s5a?variant=43010329116917

yo catching up on all the comments! get a used XR, decide on stock battery or a more powerful one, and then you just need the Makerspev controller: www.makerspev.com/products/little-focer-fully-assembled-flowglider-box

You can see the voltage within the vesctool app. Eventually invest in an 84V CBCSO battery option with built in bms

@@MaxxSend I see the 72v on chi battery’s website. Are they doing a 84v as well?! That would be sick.

hell yea dude! the preassembled controllers are ready and shipping in about 2 weeks. did you order yet? www.makerspev.com/products/little-focer-fully-assembled-flowglider-box

Thanks for the tips! I got an 84V CBCSO ready to install later this week. Will look into doing the reflectivr vinyl, miss my purple electrolytes 🥲

Exactly the same! U can vesc anything, even a pint x and gt. But the gt wouldn't make sense due to larger rim and proprietary connectors.

I bypassed it temporarily cuz I wanted to experience the extra amps you get from the battery. Mind blowing! But yes you'll need the bms long term for balancing. If there was a way to toggle on/off that'd be amazing. Check out my most recent install vid: 84V CBCSO battery with built in bms :)

been thrashing both my vesc boards (trails/tricks) for the last 6 months and have not broken them. Would've wrecked at least 2 fm controllers by now..

You can either get fully preassembled (sold out) or diy kit: www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles?aff=3 More VESC info: pev.dev/

Absolutely! Upgrade the battery voltage up to 84V and you can get speeds around mid 30s mph (depending on rider weight, conditions etc). Check out the more recent vid I made of Kyle Hanson reaching 31mph on conservative settings. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KYi-z2iUIFE.html

@@MaxxSend Thank you for the quick reply! I just got my XR yesterday and that speed is addicting. It’s so smooth! But it struggles on the grass, gets crunchy so was looking for more punch like VESC or CBXR.

This can be done with any FM OneWheel. There's a good number of VESC Pints out there already, the bigger battery compartment of the PintX makes it an even better candidate

www.makerspev.com/products/little-focer-fully-assembled-flowglider-box

Any xr! Just replace the controller and decide on bms set up. Purchase here, fully assembled controller currently sold out: www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles?aff=3 More VESC info and bms set up options: pev.dev/t/owie-wiring-fw-use-fm-bms-for-15s-vexr/336

@@MaxxSend Thank You!

Torque depends on max amps, not voltage. Higher voltage gets you higher speed but doesn’t directly increase torque at all. The GT has higher voltage allowing for higher speed than XR. It also can output more amps which is what gives it more torque

@@surfdado ok...amp discharge is most relevant (given a certain voltage)...agreed. But if this was a 63v pack...does the VESC setup allow for vastly more amp discharge (assuming the cell has the amp capability) than an XR controller?...to get similar torque to that of the GT or beyond??

@@ZuberEUC because Max has the BMS removed, the battery amps aren't limited. The VESC app lets you freely configure max battery amps and max motor amps. The stock XR battery is only rated for 30A max but you can temporarily get a lot more out of a pack like that, at the expense of battery life and health - but Max will soon upgrade to a much more powerful battery so he probably doesn't care about his stock battery.

@@surfdado THANKS for the enlightenment!! Ur channel and other vesc contributors are HEROs to the future of the onewheel style platform. I hope to get on the VESC train soon!!

For those keen to build a VESC like Max’s here is some useful links. Link for the 3D printed controller box from Flowglider www.thingiverse.com/thing:5325535 Where to buy all the VESC parts you need if you live in the USA www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles Where to buy all the VESC parts if you live outside of the USA customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller Where to buy a lid and seals for the controller. They may also be available from a supplier in the USA as this is from Europe. www.flowglider.com/index.php/product/wtfoc-mk2-for-little-focer-v3-hardware-pack/ Instructions customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller How to install the settings of a pro rider. customwheel.shop/blog/how-to-install-the-settings-of-a-pro-rider

Correct

Thanks for the support! That tire shoulder carving feature is inherent to vesc programming and a properly balanced imu. Same exact characteristic with my second vesc using a Burris street pro tire.

depends on battery, more volts = more torque, more amps = more speed

Depends how u ride, mellow cruising approx 12-15miles

go for it! with the newest firmware updates the gt has improved for sure, but still doesn't compare to the vesc in terms of smoothness, power and speed (with the right settings and battery). I've been tuning my board for 3 months now and have a trail settings tune card that many are loving, it's like an improved version of mission. plenty of XRs for around $1k. anyway enjoy the gt life! just here to show a legit competitive alternative.

did you ever find a solution?

@@MaxxSend yes! Steve Schoonmaker and I are teaming up to see what magic we can get started with it. He's also gonna be making a video series of the process. However, after watching your video with the chi-batteries smart bms battery im also getting some more ideas for that. Thanks for asking.

Same.. I must have missed the link on where to purchase.

I was fortunate to have a fully assembled controller built for me. They're working on preassembled solutions. For now you'll have to purchase the components and put it together, which seems like a pretty fun project: Link for the 3D printed controller box from Flowglider www.thingiverse.com/thing:5325535 Where to buy all the VESC parts you need if you live in the USA www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles Where to buy all the VESC parts if you live outside of the USA customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller Where to buy a lid and seals for the controller. They may also be available from a supplier in the USA as this is from Europe. www.flowglider.com/index.php/product/wtfoc-mk2-for-little-focer-v3-hardware-pack/ Instructions customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller How to install the settings of a pro rider. customwheel.shop/blog/how-to-install-the-settings-of-a-pro-rider

@@isaacconley2582 web links at end of vid and in description, replied above☝🏻

Just a chance that it can cut out on you if the batteries got too hot. If you are riding hard enough to generate heat id get one of matthews hub covers, racing hubs too they both reduce heat and you can start to wear full gear anyways

@@jayleephotography1845 JUST that it can cut off mid ride? Sounds like a big risk to me! 😬

Just a mild to moderate Lithium fire if you're not careful 🤣 No BMS is not a permanent solution, but for a few weeks or months the risk is pretty low when starting off with a quality pack. But you do have to be more mindful about the state of your battery

platysense is an aftermarket concave XR front sensor footpad

Fungineers have a new 6inch hub motor going for $300, claimed performance better than or at least equal to xr. They also sell sensors for $35

A fully preassembled plug n play controller solution coming soon! www.makerspev.com

That's best bang for the buck conversion. Same motor as the XR. I'm riding a VESC Plus right now... RU-vid VESC WTF to see my Plus

Links in description! They're working on releasing a preassembled option. For now you have to buy components separately and assemble.

are you set up with the vesc yet?? the feel for me is my favorite part. a higher level of floating: levitating.

@@MaxxSend not quite yet but got a buddy getting his in so imma mob tf out of it 😁

For now you'll have to purchase the components separately and assemble. Preassembled controller solution coming soon! www.makerspev.com

things have progressed a lot since :) Check out pev.dev for all vesc related developments.

www.makerspev.com/products/flowglider-diy-bundle

I made the video to answer ur question.. 😭

fFM 😎