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I wouldn’t trust what this girl says about the situation. She’s clearly over exaggerating the situation. It was most likely a tourist taking a wide angle photo, capturing a larger scene which she just so happened to be included in. She doesn’t own the garden. It’s not her property. She has no expectation of privacy, and therefore has no right to tell someone not to take her photo. No permission needed. If she doesn’t like it, she can go home :)
@@alebo0 Dude, I can see from the video, he was totally sniping. Also, I think the model is experienced enough to spot a sniper. She called him out, not the photographer. She (the model) seems to already know their tricks.
It is rude but totally legal. nothing you can do about it when in public space. how ever they can sell those images anywhere or they could be sued by the model or anyone recognized in the photo but they can sell it as art. those are the rules. So next time this happens ask nicely but be sure to know that they are in their right to do it.
I no longer own a photography business, but I used to photograph weddings. My biggest pet peeve was when a family member would follow me around and take pictures behind me with their cell phone or cheap point and shoot. I had a father of the bride once who took pictures over my shoulder of EVERY pose I did with the wedding party. It’s difficult to assert yourself in that situation because you don’t want to offend the bride (client) by upsetting her family. Had I continued my business, I likely would have addressed that scenario in my wedding contract so the client knew ahead of time. Another pet peeve of mine was when someone would request a special edit of an image that didn’t align with my style. One time I had a bride whose bridesmaids wore coral dresses, and she requested that I edit all the images of the wedding party in black and white with only the coral dresses in color. 🙄🙄🙄 That’s not something I want to put my name on! Last pet peeve was when someone would try to haggle with me over pricing. I had numerous requests from clients who wanted to alter my services in order to lower the price. The most memorable one was: “What if I purchase a blank memory card for your camera, you take the photos, and then I edit them on my own?” Ma’am WHAT?!
This is whyI tell my friends I don't want to start a photography business or do paid weddings gigs. It not worth it for me and I enjoy it more as a hobby
Are you a businessman or a photographer? Sometimes you have to favor one over the other. The black and white photo with the dress being in color thing is very popular with clients. For some reason they like that look. When clients ask for it, I know photographers will roll their eyes at this and treat it as some sort of creative dictat that prevents them from making their voice heard or some such nonsense. Business thrives by giving the customer what they want. If you won’t do that, then best move on. You chose well
@@blcawoodI had someone tell me that the commercially successful photographers Aren’t necessarily the best photographers but they are good business people. The way it was put to me was “ are you a photographer who happens to be a businessman or a businessman who happens to be a photographer?” some of the most talented photographers aren’t able to run successful photo businesses because they are photographers first. What a choice to make. Respect to you for going into the fight
I FEEL THE GEAR JUDGEMENT SO MUCH. I love using and collecting older gear because it's more affordable and still works great, plus it's fun to dunk on gear snobs who are like "a camera from 2013? useless trash" by sharing a banger shot
I had a youngish looking guy come up to me during a shoot and try to tell how the model should pose. He then started to move my lights around. I had to pause my shoot to explain to this guy the reason the lights were positioned that way and asked "how he would react to a random person hijacking his shoot and touched his equipment?" He responed with "well, I was just trying to help but if you're gonna be like that!" and then just walked away. I don't mind people hanging around watching sometimes but damn I would of never done something like that.
That happens to us female photographers all the time. The mansplaining is a serious issue in this field. I can’t tell you the amount of times a man has tried to tell me how to use my own equipment.
@@blcawood And it's usually someone who is half as knowledgeable. Even if I'm doing something wrong I would rather fail and learn than have a random stranger fix the shot for me.
TBH, in 2024, if somebody creeps around a photosoot, I get pissed!! man, it’s not the first time you have seen one in your life… walk away and get a life hahahaha
A note about what you might consider photo sniping: Among the types of photography I do of which is mostly model photography, I also do street photography. The type of street photography where anything I can see is fair game and I don't ask permission. Now that said, if I come across a photographer working with a model, I may shoot that. But I wouldn't be shooting the model as if I was doing a model shoot, I would in this case be shooting a photographer working with a model. I also wouldn't hang around, unless I wished to wait and talk to the photographer, in which case I would most likely back away and lower my camera (because its not my photo shoot).
i do cosplay photography, theres this one photographer that he's at every convention that constantly photo snipes, and will actively get in front of other photographers to shoot or grab the cosplayers (only goes after the girls) and pull them away even when they say they don't want to shoot with him, my blood boils whenever i run into him
There are creepers at every convention though with their cell phone cameras sniping photos. It honestly makes it harder to ask for photos sometimes because people think you’re just another creeper with a camera. I’ve even tried collaborating with models on photoshoots and they’ll be like nah, but take photos with some guy who barely knows how to operate a camera and is definitely doing it to take photos of cosplay girls. I’m a professional wedding photographer, my time for doing fun photos is limited, I don’t need to take your photos. I just thought maybe you’d want nice photos for prints and like comic and scifi culture and thought you might be interested. Guess I was wrong. I’m ranting. 😆
My best advice for you is stop shooting at cons. They are basically the worst possible environment for shooting cosplay. Yes it gets you access to a lot of cosplayers but you will never have the opportunity to do any great work at a con that stands out from what every other photographer is doing. Instead use the con to network and plan 1 on 1 shoots someplace else where you have time to actually make good work.
I also shoot at cosplay events and normally for every cosplayer I shoot I will personally ask for permission, and later asked for their IG to tag them back, but some photographers do stand behind me and do some steal shots. Sometimes some photographer actually asked me can he shoot or not. I was like..why ask me? Ask the cosplayer. Cosplay events are great as it actually brings more new cosplayers. Thinking from cosplayers point of view, some cosplayers doesn't even get photographed... So shooting cosplay in events is indeed okay, as long permission is asked, and the cosplayer actually get their picture later on.
@Davitzakariashvili When I stop laughing (and my camera is an entry level DSLR) I tell them that I can probably take better photos with their cell phone than they can with my camera. 📷🙂
I enjoy capturing the act of others taking photos. It is free reign of street photography and as long as this occurring in a public place there is not much you can do. Its not like they are in the position to fully leverage your model, lighting or direction.
My main gripe as an amateur who prefers to share with friends and family are people expecting to post my photos on social media because I took some photos. I dislike social media and prefer not to use it. Sometimes I think Vivian Meier was correct, it's better to be discovered after you are gone.
With digital, you will never be discovered after you're gone. I take a ton of photos and keep them all. Vivian Meier used film, which was expensive, so she took photos sparingly. Nobody's going to want to sort through thousands of my photos. I have five shoeboxes of film snapshots even I don't want to sort through.
I never post my scanned negatives online. I have a mirrorless camera but that's going up for sale shortly as I've never used it apart from negative scanning. I'll replace it with a flatbed scanner. Millions of images go online each day so why add to that digital dung heap? It's only of interest as training data for Large Language Model AI image creation now anyway. To me photography is about the experience of taking my Large Format camera out for the day and maybe getting one or two nice photographs. Or my Hasselblad, but I still only take maybe three.
for clarification: when you're talking about photosniping, would that include a photo of the entire scene, including model, photographer and setup (lights etc)? That would feel more like street photography to me.
I believe that leans towards documentation since you're not exploiting the entire crews hard work and taking someone else copyright/trademark over it. Photo-sniping is exploitative meanwhile documentation in street-photography, specially those with ethics would usually try and get some type of permission and/or take photos that isn't violating someone human rights.
I see street photographers take pictures of models being photographed because they're documenting the event taking place not stealing your model's looks or your setup. It's a little presumptuous to claim any sort of privacy when you photograph in public.
I was gonna say, is candid photography considered sniping, thus, rude? I've done this before but my focus wasn't on the model, but the scene of people doing a photoshoot
@@themoolag Same! I would think a photographer would see another photographer showing a form of respect for their work by covering the work they're doing by documenting it but apparently portraits in public areas is now considered a "setup" worthy of theft 🤣
I can totally understand your point of view, I don't really think photo-documentary type of photos apply for photo sniping though, since usually it would include the creator and people working on set in the photos. Photo sniping however, there will be situations like the photographer paying for everything, for their own personal project and someone snipes their work. Taking photos of their paid project (not documenting the photographer with their work) then posting it, the photos getting popular over the original creators work (which isn't fair) and this can cause issue with trade marking because the sniper technically stole their trademarked work due to posting it before, which they can claim the rights to etc. There's also the legal side, which can cause the main photographer to have legal dispute with clients when someone else snipes the work, leaking a planned projected that might have taken ages to prepare, which is also not fair to those that might have created the garments, did the hair and make up technically the whole crew that worked hard on something for someone to just steal. Last but not least, the models right to refuse...If you're taking photos of someone and they are uncomfortable with you taking it (because you don't have their permission) then it's simply a violation to them as a human being. Yes if you're in public it is likely that you are constantly getting video and photo-bombing people on accident, but you have no-idea what people would do and use when taking a direct photo of you in public...There's a lot of not so nice people in the world specially now that AI is becoming very accessible and with the recent violations of using it to generate explicit images it's an even scarier world out there.... TT_TT I think at the end of the day it's about ethics, which would be different to everyone.
@@Katfolio I honestly think you read too much into the situation being described. Even if the "model" is the only subject photographed, the only expectation of privacy can truly occur in a private setting and never in a public space. I would venture to state that someone losing the copyright or trademark on a specific photo shoot by someone sniping the image has to be nonexistent as theft of images tends to happen mostly to already published work, so that scenario is just downright imaginary. Not to mention the model refusing to have their image taken in public, again, no expectation of privacy in public.
As far as "sniping" is concerned, if you are in public, people can take whatever picture they want. If you are in a place where privacy is expected, that is different. You may not like it, but that is what street photography is built on. Annoying as it is, they have a right to do it.
It surprised me how such big RU-vid photographer Jessica is and cant understand photography. It’s legal in most countries to photograph in public. So if you want privacy, get inside and block out the windows.
It's legal, but it's frowned upon and nothing makes you look more like an amateur (which you may be, but still) like photosniping. To be clear, you aren't taking a photo of the whole scene with the photographer working with the model. You are taking pictures of the model posing with a styled outfit and makeup on, and claiming them as your own as if you had anything to do with them.
Never sniped but because I work in the legal field and done street photography. You have a right to take photos in a public space. I have a friend who's a newspaper photographer. He says he doesn't ask people in public for permission to take their picture. There's a huge debate over what is proper etiquette public photography. Weddings I've video photographer doing formals. So I'd say it's a gray area.
omg I love this video I relate so much :') .... I started doing event photography after a long time and now im glued to my desk rethinking my life choices o.0
My excuse is always wenn a client ask "are these photoshop" I say "I did some color correction". Technical im not lying because I dont use photoshop. (*cough* Lightroom) 😅
To add on to a gear annoyance is folks that say always praise brand X and disparage brand Y, you see it a good bit on RU-vid, but I've also experienced it in real life right after getting a new camera...
my biggest complaint is the client not liking themselves haha. I can only edit so much, and retouch sooo much unitl it is not you.. someone told me "I don't like my nose in any of these" good sis THAT IS YOUR NOSE THO! lol im not a surgeon lol
Great video! Never new sniping was a thing, but in hindsight... I'm not surprised at all. I photograph local wildlife as a hobby. My customers don't pay, but they also never complain. I like it that way.
To add to the Sniping, how about “Assisted Sniping” (not a term but I’m making it up now lol) Basically doing a photoshoot with multiple photographers, you setting up a great shot, then them running in every time taking the same shot to take credit for it and posting it before you do from a slightly different angle. Maybe it’s just me but this is the reason I rarely do photo meets
Nothing you can do about sniping if you're shooting in public in most places. If it's viewable to the public it can be photographed. Rude, yes. Inconsiderate, yes. Cheeky, yes. Illegal, not in most places.
@@donaldjuan4934 what fair game? You didn't style the model. You didn't put makeup on the model. You didn't pose the model. Sure as heck you didn't PAY the model. This isn't a random person walking on the street. It's two professionals working and you wanting to reap the benefits of their work without doing anything to earn it. Take as many photos as you want. You will never get better as a photographer if you can't produce your own photoshoot.
@@donaldjuan4934 It is irrelevant to you because you never have and never will work as a professional photographer. Once you can put together your own photoshoot you will understand.
Great video. You brought up a really great point about how and when one should post. Yes, it is important to promote your art, but I feel you about the repetitive notion of having to post on ABCDEFG social media accounts lmao I could barely do that for IG (probably why my engagement suffers lmao). Great point because no matter what medium or creative expression one does, there is still that observation of quality over quantity. Btw, what's an IG thread? lolol. Anyways, I suggest a video on how creatives can promote themselves on social media healthily. Thank you for your insights.
I hate that photography is expensive. Even basic gear can be costly. And I hate that I never know if I'm good enough. Even though I'm doing it all for me, I am always unsure.
Photographer 🙌🏾 I hate imposter syndrome, THE AUDACITY that we have to pay for social reach, I hate that there's no interaction after a post (just a like), I hate posting on multiple platforms to get seen....I got more
The one time I was sniping was at a photoshoot where we were four people sharing a model. I asked if it was ok that I took some pictures on high ISO and without flash, while one of the others was working with the model. Of cause I was cautious not to get in the way. I needed these photos to experiment with high ISO. But generally I would never start shooting at another photographers setup. It is his/her setup and financial agreement with the models. You pay the cab, you take the ride.
I photographed events for a number of years and at the end of a wedding the couple asked me how long before they got photos and if they could have the SD cards that the photos are on.
It was me. I was a sniper once. 25 photographers in a line to get the same shot of their model. I took a shot to get my setting right before so I could move it along.
Jess, I’d like to see some of your work flow. Like are you just using external hard drives or a NAS? I’ve had people recommend Amazon Photo because you get unlimited storage and it works with RAW formats too.
The thing I hate most is more about social media than photography itself. It’s damn near impossible to get your work out there using social media now since videos and reels are being pushed instead of images. I’m a photographer, not a videographer, I want to take and post photos, not videos and 20 second clips. It feels like nothing I post on IG gets any attention anymore.
Totally relate on not posting a nice shoot on IG as a mini act of rebellion. lol. I just hate that we are at the mercy of algos. And for clients asking "if the photos have been edited ? " - it usually means they expected to be liquified and made to look skinnier. lol. And yes , it I end up stressing on the response i would give.
Had a few people snipe our event also in Japan. In one situation, the model is posing and our photographer is kneeling taking picture. Some stranger comes right behind, and casually starts taking pictures of our model.
I hate when doing events, its time for a group shot and 6 or 7 people are in the way with phones to take pictures and they take their time to move or dont move
Hey Jessica, Yup- the realities of being a photographer these days... life is - and I suspect-has always been- hard. But let's take a step back on memory lane. Twenty years ago I was just starting out... not a pro by any means but I knew a few here and there and was part of a photo club- they were all the rage with the promise of learning from the pros 'by doing". Funny enough, this 'learning" or training if you will- was a series of .. intentional and pre-arranged sniping when the pros would get their shots do their job then explain a few things and let us try our hand with our own gear but their model/subject/lighting/ parts of setup and compare afterwards...with a discussion. This has gone on for about five years and I felt I knew enough to start out. Fast forward to three years ago, my sister's wedding. Naturally I wanted to rise to the occasion but- nope, had to play godfather and not the photographer. SO the pros arrive, a team of two, pretty likeable fellows... but the second they pulled their gear out of their bags my heart sunk. Latest gear, no worries, all fine and dandy, but only monster primes of 300 or 500 mm , tripods that could rival anti-aircraft gun pods and lights that would better serve a safari. So I asked- okay, what's all that? Nevermind, we know what we are doing. Yes yes, okay, let's see. So they settle all that at 50 m from the church steps, on the other side of the road.. and they .. go at it. On closer shots, one guy was using a phone and a small old bridge camera (but Leica branded, go figure!), and the other was 'manning the cannons' across the street. Two weeks and 300 $ later, we get a set of wrongly color balanced everything, with the group shots all sickly yellow-green and oversharpened , a few even having distinct (camera) motion blur. We did not sue the clowns- but we had them come back and do it right. Costume repetition and all, everyone was "happy" as can be, but this time we chose the lenses ( all rentals) and they did the work - under supervision. Turns out they COULD do it right, so what gives? Then it turns out, some... organizer had all the wrong idea and seemed to want to impress (or so they said) so they brought the "fiercest"looking gear they could find- but..what about the phone and the old bridge? well- trendy they said. I am still in shock. The worrisome part? they were not amateurs or incapable- after all, they did the -this time proper- work all by themselves- but with the gear we provided, true... Business is tricky. Photography is an art but sometimes the business part is all some care for. Results be damned.. let the money flow.
Another word for sniping is Side Busting. It sucks so hard that you've gone through the effort to set up the shoot, get the model (which is regularly paid), set up the location. At least it can't go on a billboard of be used commercially as there needs to be a release signed for that.
Omg I hate it when you go to a completely public place where other people have cameras and are already taking photos and then they continue to take photos of the things around them in that public place
Yeah, subscription-based editing/retouching software! I hated it...hate it. In all the years I've been a photographer, I don't think I've ever once asked another photographer what they're shooting with. Not once.
1:58 SO WHAT IF I DON'T CARE? THAT PARK IS A PUBLIC AREA!! If you don't like my views about consent and asking permissioni, we just go on with our day.
Jessica: Talking about how some people take crap pictures with expensive gear (cough brooklyn beckham cough) and others take amazin pictures with crap equipment Me: sudden flashback to that 4 photographers 1 model challenge you did where the opposite team used a flip phone
I've been doing photography for over 10 yrs now.. when i first started i got camera judged hard .. my camera was candy apple red and my lens was a kit lens and i had just started using a DSLR.. anyway i continued and i entered a photo of a car at car show photo contest and my pic won runner-up.. i do my best in encourage new photographers i meet and to tell them never be ashamed of their gear.
When I started, many Aeons ago back in the early days of humanity's evolution I joined a camera club owning an East German Practika MTL 5 SLR when everyone else in the club had Leica's. I was looked down rather significantly. My camera was an absolute brick I admit, but the main lens I used on it was a Zeiss 50mm 1.8, which I still have and that produced amazing images. It still does and now it's worth far more than it was back then. I used that 'awful' camera for almost 20 years because I couldn't justify replacing it. Those Leica owners probably upgraded lots of times since all they talked about was new gear. Yes there were far better ones around, but they cost so much and wouldn't produce images that looked any nicer. Once I got older I bought a Nikon F3/HP, I found one that either hadn't been owned or at least used before, no doubt there were plenty of those around. I'll probably drop 35mm entirely soon in favour of the larger formats I use more.
one ex friend told me, shoot my wedding for 500$ I said no and gave the real price, she said nevermind I'll ask my friend to take photos with her cellphone. She's an ex friend since then
Me too! Where did you go hallmark? 😂 actually my love of it is returning but I don’t do it professionally. I’ve been shooting film just for my happiness
I had to drop out of my local photography community because it was SO toxic. Judging people's gear, how well their business is ( or isn't), do they speak or attend conferences. It was just to much. Soo much so that I hardly shoot anymore. I have no plans of selling any of my gear and would love to get back into photography like I once was, but I need to continue focusing on my mental health and other responsibilities
I don’t like when I do deep dives on Google to find images for inspiration that I can build off from… And I tell one person my idea and next thing I know three or four photographers in the area are doing the same stuff. It is highly unlikely that we all went to the same pageor 12 or 15 pages deep in Google defined this stuff.
I 1000% understand the frustration about photo sniping, but unless you're on private property, at a private event, or they're going to use the photo for commercial use, no one has to ask for a photo or ask for permission. It's terrible etiquette to take photos of someone when they are asking you not to, BUT unless you're about to scrap with someone over photo sniping, they're gonna get that snipe, and there's nothing really to be done.
Yeah i mean just because you have expensive camera gear, doesnt make you a better photographer, it might help your photography a little bit but you're gonna have to work on composition, lighting and just have an eye for cool and aesthetic vision to be good at photography.. like not sure why people have a hard time understanding this
Snipping is common, but to be fair if it's legal it's fair game. Also, you don't know if it's just street photography. Most likely there are people snipping you with a 200mm or 5x on their iPhone.
I've been asked "are these edited?", I said "yes", and that was the end. I think it's just programmed for some people to ask for "edited", not really even understanding what that is.
I love my phone to take pics. Honestly…it gives me the feeling of satisfaction from taking a pic…it’s light and I don’t take it all so seriously anymore!!! I unplugged from all my social media and just don’t care about “making it” as a photographer…why did I go to photography school anyways??
