This is what's on my door and on most doors in my country (Switzerland). I feel much saver knowing it took this guy a few seconds more to pick than usual.
Just turn the key halfway after locking from the inside. But I am also surprised at how fast he picked that lock. I thought we had the safest locks in the world.
Yes, I can confirm that this lock is for sure one of the most common locks in Switzerland. With no surprise though, since they are a swiss lock mechanism with good reputation and not crazy expensive.
@@disgruntledwelsh3817 just arrived home from Wales last night. Played crazy golf in the horrendous rain. I won too, not to the last hole and suggested all our nothing on the last hole. My son in law got a hole in one. Darn you Llandrindod Wells charity 9 hole crazy golf. 🤣
Sky173 the tricky bit of the reassembly, the only one that really matters that you dropped the lot, is when you put the key in the cylinder and then put all the keypins in it in such a way that they’re all at the shearline when the key is inserted. Apart from that, reassembly is the same as normal.
as a n00b I have seen a lot of gutting videos, but not a single assembling video. It would be nice to see how it is easily done, without springs flying all over the place :D
I think I have seen Bosnianbill attack these with a cheap Chinese dimple rake that rakes both sides and the top at the same time. These fall pretty bad to those with almost no skill, despite their formidable construction.
Geyote Pilkington No, I meant that picking locks based on how long it takes a skilled lock picker to get through is a pretty bad idea. There aren’t very many people who have the same amount of skill or who have the same tools as LPL.
These locks were never intended to be keyed by a dealer, rather they were keyed at the factory in Switzerland and key blanks were never issued, only cut keys.
Kaba 8 keys may be reproduced by anybody, Kaba 20 and Kaba Star are protected, replacement keys are manufactured on demand, with a very brief turnaround, too. What another neo is referring to is likely the setup used to make Kaba 8 keys.
Usually when a lock puts up a "fight" for him, he makes one or two drops, or encounter multiple false sets, so I was pretty surprised that he didn't run into any issues even once. Let alone on the raking bit. Nevertheless, a complex, precision lock like this will certainly put up quite the fight for most skilled lockpickers.
Hey LPL, A few years ago i bought my first lock picking set and locks because you made me interested in lock picking. I only had a little bit of time to play around with it however before i got in to an accident. This accident left one of my arms to be permanently paralyzed. I'm still interested in picking locks and have seen a few video's of people picking with one hand. I was wondering, if you're in for a challenge, if you could show the possibilities when picking one handed and hopefully give me the motivation to get some good picks, locks and a vice.
not that hard to do with a custom bent prybar and top of the keyway tension, just need to play around with the angles until you find something that lets you use your pinky or ring finger to tension with.
Until you mentioned the assumed difficulty of putting this lock back together after gutting, I had never even thought about your putting all those locks back together. I appreciate your dedication to teaching us about these locks!
Impressive, please try the kaba star.... Its pins are arrayed radiantly in 8 rows... I'm seeing this KABA 20 has only 4 rows, two of which have only one pin there, that's why you're luck with the manipulation
Thank you! I was about to send you one of these from my grandparents’ flat block in Switzerland. I was wondering how it would hold up against picking attacks
It looks like something that you need to cut exactly like the designer want you to cut or it will not gonna be effective... so i dont think that LPL will be good tester as he likes to use his brain.
On top of that this company is seling tytanium as something that is stronger than steel... aluminium as something that is cut resistant... ROTFL its company for people that are happy to spend hundreds of $ and in the same time cannot afford 2 minutes in wikipedia where you can check how strong this metals are.
You're right this is unusual as only 12 pin holes drilled in the core.... Only possible reason: this cylinder probably is at the lowest tier of a master key system... so it won't deploy all the 20 pin holes on the core. Compared to the regular serrated flat key system(as widely used in the us), kaba's master keys have always one shear line, while the flat keys have multiple shear lines as a result of stacking key pins to operate with keys with different key bit depths in the same position - this is linear and sabotages security gravely ... The kaba cylinder is manipulating its pins hole quantities and locations to make master key instead of stacking key pins, which is dynamic and versatile... The regular key differ cylinders could use up to 20 pin holes for ultimate security, and only reducing the pin hole quantitties to make master key... You know master keying brings convenience by compromising security, yet kaba manages to maintain the maximum balance of security and convenience, considering the least 12 pin holes are still above the security level of all the serrated keys.
Hey, I'm not sure if you already have this, but would you be willing to do a video on all the terms and lingo you use in all of y0ur videos? Thanks, keep up the great work!
What really surprises me about the Kaba locks is how well the severely worn keys at work still function. So when I needed new locks, I bought Kaba ones. Also the keys fit both ways and have no sharp corners.
stefantrethan Also, since the keys are made of nickel silver, they don’t wear out as fast as, say, a cheap brass key. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_silver
@@tookitogo I didn't know that. Some of them have serious grooves worn into them, but they've been used many times a day, for decades. In a normal front door situation you couldn't wear them like that in a lifetime. I talked to a window and door installer the other day and he had some problems with dirt clogging up the Kaba key dimples. I can't say I ever encountered that, and he said it was easy enogh to remedy with a toothbrush, but annoying.
stefantrethan Indeed, the laws of physics still apply! But yeah, they’re incredibly well made. Every place I’ve lived in Switzerland has had Kaba locks, and I have to say I vastly prefer them over the typical locks in USA (the other country I’ve lived in a lot).
Kaba locks are extremely common here in Switzerland. Tight tolerances and great craftmanship, they are a good example of the legendary Swiss made reputation. In any case, that's all I have for you today...😎
Kudos, as a former employee in one of the subsidiary companies of kaba, i have been deeply impressed with the expertise of Switzerland precision machinery....i learned quite a lot of know-how from My colleague and friend Mr. Genewein, who is a long term veteran in kaba for over 40 years
Very nicely picked & a great tip there of using a rake to finish the job. I guess I better sling mine back in the vice & have another go. Have a great day.
Took him forever to open! Like 2 + minutes! How the hell did he gut that and keep track of the pins? No way I’d even attempt to put it back together! Great picking as usual. Cool lock.
I noticed some cool new camera angles in this video. I know I'm a bit mad but it made me start thinking of a split screen 2 camera setup. The addition of a close up to reveal the subtleties in picking and personality of the lock... Much praise for your talent and generosity!
Certain types of KABA locks/keys (not sure if it’s only for KABA 20) allows to have only 1 key that works for both appartment door and house door. So every tenant only ever needs 1 key and they cannot access each others appartment with the same key. I‘m sure there are other companies that do this too..
After watching your first vids recently, one can really tell a difference in speech delivery in old vs new vids. Much smoother now that you've got so much experience. Not that the first vids aren't good. They surely are. 👍 Can't thank you enough for this amazing content! Thanks!
At one time, BMW used the automotive version of this lock, in their vehicles, during the mid-1970's. My dad's Bavarian CS had this style lock for the ignition, doors, & trunk. There was a couple different options, one of which was known as the valet key, which only operated the ignition & doors, but not the trunk. At the time, no local locksmiths could even pick the lock, let alone make a copy of the key. I believe my dad ordered a couple of spares, through the local BMW dealer, and they came directly from Germany. Interesting that I haven't seen a lock & key like this, in over 25 years. Thanks for sharing! :)
My Swiss coworker in kaba told me about their cooperation with BMW, the only concern is not picking, but the fact that a tiny grit in the keyway will inactivate the lock, that's why the autos are not using it on the doors, considering the environmental restraints
With all those pins shooting off in every direction it might be helpful to have one of those Plexiglas boxes with arm holes to keep everything contained.
Very impressive, both by the LPL and the lock makers. Seeing the LPL pick pin after pin and then go; 'and here is where the Hollywood option comes in' is a testament to the lock type and just how well the makers have made this lock
I’d be curious to see a video on the mechanical difference between low and high precision machining in locks, and how that (mechanically) affects the attack options.
Gotta say i am a pretty new fan, i was curious, would we be able to see your full collection ? be interesting to see how many locks you actually have, how do you store them? racks?
We use these where I work with master keying etc. brilliant locks and not cheap at all, I'm tempted to send a lock in to see if it could be picked, would be minus a key, but that's never stopped LPL!
I fitted KABA brand locks in my front door a few years ago so I was curious as to how long LPL would take to pick it. I probably made the right choice.
Two steps, one he'll have to load in the springs and upper pins back in the pin holes in the cylinder body(the un-rotary housing), he would have to install it inch by inch while plugging in a solid rod or tube simulating the core in order to properly seal the spring and upper pin pair into the pin cavity ... and second load in all the bottom/tumbler pins into the core with the key inserted in the keyway(so as to pinpoint the correct bottom pins to the corresponding depth of key bitting), and then, insert the core into the bore hole of the lock body by pushing the simulated rod all the way out.... In assembly production situation, there's a specialized fixture to make the job easier.
Very interesting !!! I want to see how you do Kaba experT 22pins ! I tried to found it's in your video's but not see it lock ( . And that picking like every other your works, great ! I like to see your works ! Very right, very interesting . 👍👍👍👍👍
A couple clarification for a whole picture - a retailed kaba 20 has up to 22 pins, this picking of a 12 pin cylinder proves no relevance: 1.it is modified. Standard kaba cylinder is modular as an individual unit with its own core and housing, and uses Nickle plated steel pins. This 12 pin cylinder replaces the regular circular housing for a big round shell with an eccentric bore and uses prolonged brass driver pins to accommodate the use in a mortise cylinder...there'd be impact on the effectiveness of spring compression which undermines pick resistance. 2.the minimal pin number of 12 and their array pattern suggest it is tailored for project use such as a central locking cylinder. Central locking enables mutual access by all the keys within particular series of keying or a master key system. For example, a master key managed building has a public room or shared area for all residents to enter, then the central locking cylinder will come into play that allows each key owner to access with their respective keys, no matter what tier their keys are postinged in the master key matrix (individual, sub-master or grand master). Situation like this didn't imply for an essential level of security. If you do want premium protection on those application, solution will be install a new lock and equip everyone with a new extra piece of key. I probably have to stop here for better not going deeper into the functional details of central locking.
I'm not sure how much this has been brought up previously, if at all, but I would enjoy seeing a series where you would blindly pick locks going through the process of deciding what you would use and then your normal commentary.
I have these everywhere throughout my property in Switzerland. I thought they were a Swiss only thing. Wondered why I was having so much difficulty picking them!
This one got picked has only 12 pin holes, it must be at the lowest tier of a master key system... the standard kaba 20 have upto 22 pin holes for a serial/non-master keyed cylinder...
Two minutes against LPL is good enough for my front door, in plain view of a busy street, in a neighborhood were people are wary of a strange face. Back door needs a little more security though.
I just have to say it again. LPL is the best damn RU-vidr out there. I've watched hundreds of his videos and he's wasted exactly none of my time. I wish other RU-vidrs would follow suit.
The exact situation I just found myself in…. Am gonna give an update tho Hope I’ll find the fuxking key Edited 56 minutes after posting. I got my key, left it at work on my toolbox. I now attached 4 20mm Nuts on the keychain so I can’t miss it.
An LPL video that lasts more than 10 minutes is such a rarity. Yet, the lock is open in closer to 2, after he says "I'm expecting a fight". Credit to LPL's humility, and to Kaba.
I know many cores are 1/2". In Corbin-Russwin and some other brands, it is 9/16". The Kaba, I think is 7/16". The Abus 83 Series has a weird size core as well, I think it is 17/32".
Just last week I was searching for videos of a Kaba 20 and there it is! By the way: would it be considered cheating to have the key in sight while picking? This would probably give you hints about the correct pin depths..
What size are the plugs of these locks and wouldn't it be easier to make a follower than to try holding all the key pins in while loading the top pins and springs? Great video BTW and I like this technique of using the rake. I will have to try it.
Excellent Video. Question is: Will you ever be able to get it back together? That would be an interesting vidio. What about poor Leim? Will he ever see it again?
This is the LockPickingLawyer and today I am standing in front of the White House and as you can see they use a abus lock model: 1234 which has quite a few flaws.....nothing at one, a little click out of two.....and there it is how to open the lock which the White House uses!
A question for the Lock Picking Lawyer; Do you believe it is possible to design a lock that is impossible to pick? If so how much do you think it would retail for considering the manufacturing cost? Thank you?
Picked by your good self in 2 minutes (give or take a couple of seconds) in near perfect conditions, makes this a dam good lock..! Ps. @ 8:06 you mix up two of the pins.
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