A.B.I.torial 14: Injustice 2's Animation ALSO SUCKS 

I never saw the point to that, they hit the ground and lay down in the first health bar. But then they have that bs pop back up just to fall again...

Like id go from a prone, last stand kind of pose Examples like: Deashot trying to fire a last shot but having no bullets left before giving up Batman trying to get up and continue only to let his body collapse due to too much damage And we can go on and on

I _think_ it was done for censorship purposes. If you end a fight with a super and they just lie there at the end, that looks a lot like a fatality. It's possible that rating boards pressured them to show that the defeated character was still alive. Weak theory, I know. Injustice has instances of murder in it and even Smash Bros doesn't fuck about with showing characters burst into colourful flames and they're fit for kids. I think it's possible that the reputation of Netherealm gave them less leeway than Nintendo gets and they can get away with the plot based murders because the player isn't actively doing it (whether the player performs or merely witnesses something can effect the age rating it gets). It's the only reason I can think of for them spending time and effort in making the god awful defeat animation.

@@typhoonzebra sure but it could easily be made into a “oh I got knocked out/tuckerd out

​@@mrworsethanall0102 the original creators of the original creators sorry for not getting any better the area are the original creators sorry I just like the original owner of the original creators

What do you mean "we". You assign way too much importance to award shows

These improvements shouldn't be needed in the first place. This isn't some fucking indie developer that doens't know wtf they are doing.

Unlikely, if they did that they'd probably have to overhaul all of their combat animations as well as their animation process. As it stands they've been given no incentive to do so.

MK 11 is looking a lot better so far. Still a few jank animations, but that’s to be expected with a game that takes itself nowhere near as seriously as Injustice. Also those jank animations are few and far in between

@@AttorneyK You're right, It's a AAA Developer that never knew wtf they are doing.

Even then the speed of her animations are just visual nonsense. The frames where she slows down to hit looks good but they just VHS fast forwarded her animations to get to that hit.

A mf SNEEZING is more impactful A SNEEZE

Man, Phoenix Wright would beat the crap out of all these assholes.

Lol

No don't, it was really good keep going

Its been 2 years if your still out there continue the pun-ishment, it's combo safe we need more humor.

Live on, my son, that puns would exist in the new era... continue your work...

@@MisterRandomEncounter e

your absolutely right.

@@OwO377 mk11 isnt much better either nrs really need to step up their animations

@@khristopher_2995 they should either update the animation or make a movie animation cuz look at the cutscenes fell like it came from the movie.

I like to call it Cactus punching avoid the cactus but fence punching makes more sense

same

Likewise

Same here

SheanWalsh but he needs to throw a realistic punch like a man that street fights. Not a punch by a little girl or some clunky ass alien that only knows to bite. Do I need to remind you that supes grew up in a farm and raised in a human way so your comment about him do not need to throw a real punch is invalid.

Cory Alpuente Superman is a mannequin

Cory Alpuente Why would Superman know how to throw a punch when he was raised on non-violent ethics?

guy NRS have been making fighting games for decades fuck off with this stupid shit

Hurtgamez so what if they made games for decades? They can still put some effort in regardless.

Who gives a shit about animations? I care more about the enemy in front of me dying.

Mr. Casualworth

@Harri Kirvesniemi But you will feel if animation is good or bad. It can make a punch feel strong or weak, fast, slow, etc. If the animation isn't good in a fighting game, the game feel will mostly suffer greatly.

@ Gameplay first, eh. So, two very distinct moves having very similar animations in a game where reading and reacting to your opponent is vital doesn't impact gameplay? So, in a game where characters live and die by their framedata and a difference of three frames in a move's recovery can dramatically nerf the move, having snappy animation doesn't impact gameplay? So, in a game where _character hitboxes are literally tied to the location of their body parts,_ animation doesn't impact gameplay? I mean I could go on for hours about game feel is a vital part of a game's quality and how slacking on it can kill the attention given by even the people who are most tolerant of low quality stuff, but I get the feeling you're the "ha! I ritualistically blind and deafen myself so I can only enjoy the *true* gameplay experience, and I enjoyed this!" type, so that'll all just bounce off your head. But you don't even seem to have a firm grasp on what gameplay _is_ to begin with

@ I can't read stuff you imagined yourself saying, only stuff you've actually written. Which was some nonsense about counterclaiming the fact that FPS affects gameplay as if animations didn't and reaffirming some guy's statement that "actual gameplay," like some video game enemy dying ( y'know the thing that ... is usually sold by stuff like _animation_ and sound design ) was what people actually care about. And also, if the average person's opinion is that animations don't matter when we live an era where games like Dark Souls are _very_ popular, then the dirt we stand on can think more critically than they can and, subsequently, said dirt is worth more than their opinions on anything.

Nutherealm should make a movie cuz the cutscene of mortal kombat and injustice feel like watch a cinematic movie.

Lol, keep crying. Sugarpunch has no idea what he's talking about. Meanwhile NRS will continue to be the top selling fighting game developer.

@@bud389 Dude in his 30s really sounding like MK's 13-year-old demographic

@@bud389 mk will always be for people who can't play street fighter with a cheap gore gimmick that appeals to teenage boys

@@bud389 Considering how much they tried to focus on esports, awful online system and made one of the most baffling mk stories, that ended with nothing matterring anymore, they might have to start pulling their weight again. MK sold based on spectacle and content quantity, and it helped them. But, as has been stated again and again, they skip over substance a lot of the times, and it will hurt in the long run.

Explain mk 11

@@zegtendo724 this uhh this was one year ago, dude

@@zegtendo724 slightly better, but still trash.

@@TITANia69420 So

@@Yautah the unsexiest fighting game since Injustice 2

1 year after your comment, MK1 almost launching and the game seems to have even worse animation than 11 did.

​@@felipecouto1102you don need to lie, mk1 has shown the best animations so far

@@obiomaanokwuru3573 It didn't tho. MK11 didn't have anything as goofy as Johnny Cage's normal strings nor any of the weird animations from blade users.

SF6 isn't realistic at all moron, you can whine endlessly in comments sections of videos that agree with you, no one is impressed that you picked up any if these games and suck at them, you don't have to whine about it all the time

​@@morganhelms80808The graphics of SF6 are, which is what he was talking about

Netherealm: Always has been.

What’s the problem with it

@@lordwacko958 in a fighting game every button has an important use, and with every console having the same amount of buttons for a controller, the stance button just takes a part of the button when in actuality, stance switching literally does nothing integral at all

@@coralinereeves9629 I mean what does the R stick do

@@lordwacko958 obviously nothing? Have you seen any fighting game use the R Stick ever? If you think the R Stick is a good argument, it really isn't

I know, he thinks just because of the fighting animation issues that it doesn't deserve awards. Just because he likes to jerk off to Lucky Chloes ass animations doesn't mean Tekken 7 auto-wins.

BananaSandwich3000 He never even mentioned Lucky Chloe.

Akira Tano, Talk to me again once you get more life experience, son.

Akira Tano, I said talk to me after you've gained more life experience, also, talk to me once you get better at grammar.

BananaSandwich3000 1. Ignoring the point entirely. 2. Going after my grammar because you have no real rebuttals. ‘Mk. Bye.

You actually have no life

I could give a fuck less because I had fun playing the damn game.

Saids the people commenting in a 3 year old comment (not you Shoned)... also, don’t give a fuck about animation in a FIGHTING GAMES is like... ignoring 1/3 of the important principles of fighting games and BELIEVE ME, it’s important

They didn’t, they didn’t even think about the animations in the first place. They and most others don’t care about that sort of thing

somtetime truth bring bitter taste.

Almost every 2D fighting game does that. The new Guilty Gear does it with baiken.

@@RealGhost49 unlike 2D fighting game that changed their stance when the characters are on different side of the opponent (left or right), but in Injustice, the characters change their stance when they're on same side/position

Why he has the legs so small? compared with his huge chest and rock hand it looks goofy

@@cristhianramirez6939 Because hellboy was always drawn disproportionately. Having a large body, with his right arm(stone arm) being larger then his left arm and his legs and demon feet being smaller then the rest of his body.

wow I just went back to the stance switch part and looked at his arm. That's just awful. He's facing right but his big arm switches between left and right. I couldn't believe my eyes.

No capes without key-frames!

Hehhehe hohohoe I see what you did there.

* - do you remember thunder head, tall,stronger power. nice man, good with the kids.. - hey listen, ah.. -NOVEMBER FIFTEENTH, 58! all was well, another day saved, when his cape snagged on a missile pin! -yeah, thunder head was not the brightest...* neither are NRS apparently :D

MK9 Raiden's cape gave me Vietnam flashbacks

Ultimate Hedgehog no. It was his default outfit. And it sucks.

As a NRS fan, I am grateful for these kinds of videos. Videos like theese often lead to better products if enough people call them out

I for one, will be using this vid as a reference to 1 reason I hate mk. The other is that it is an American game trying so hard to be asian except for where it matters most. I think it might actually have more asian characters than street fighter...

@@IkeOkerekeNews haha yeah I'll definitely crack you, be it death beams or kikosho bombs..

@@xxSKAGhosTxx Nah. You would vaporized with only 0.0% of my power.

@@IkeOkerekeNews oh I wish I had a way to play rn, I would convert your team into vapor; destructive finishes for everyone

True. Most people don't realize how animation affects them unconsciously and don't bother to understand how it works.

@Brisson kevin ironic there are some game has great way in function and design but overlook by some stereotype game.

I bet the explanation is something along the lines of "it needs to feel like a MK game, we don't want to look like a japanese game." I can see new new animators working at neatherrealm studios getting really frustrated at the beginning, I mean this are the most basic principles of animation, you can't get at that level in the industry without knowing them.

Maybe...I mean, you can only get so much out of ACTUAL PEOPLE digitized as sprites, so that's the feel they wanted to stick to all these years or something. It's a bad time.

I wholeheartedly agree!

I like the choppy stiff animations of MK. I think it makes the series unique and it has that same stilited fighting style that I really enjoyed in the Watchmen movie. However, the same deficient animation looks absolutely trash in Injustice and makes NRS look amateur.

First off, I don't think you know what the word "choppy" means ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2bhaBI7PUC0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wr1wqj_-FmM.html I mean, if you want to talk about "choppy" animation, just look at fucking Street Fighter 5 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-748wOa41mFA.html Where the choppiness of the game is embedded into the gameplay. There is literally no argument here, you can see the characters seamlessly transition from attack to attack during combos and links in MKX, where-as with Street Fighter 5, the combat is constantly stunted from jerky hit confirms, where the characters morph into their different attacks as a carry-over from the days of sprite-based gameplay. I think you're a false-flagging because you're desperately insecure about NRS as a whole, or you're just an idiot.

So do they injustice 2

It's because he made it sound like it doesn't deserve awards just because of the fighting animation issues and Tekken 7 deserved them all because their animation was better. The video came off too shallow at points.

People complain because he keeps going on and on about how Injustice 2 Shouldn't be considered a winner of awards!

I don't see many people saying that at all... The closest is people saying that "[Nether Realm fighting games] are the best made games that I don't want to play" or sympathizing with that general sentiment of ''this is why i'm so put off by Injustice 2" or "this is why i don't like Injustice 2". I understand your frustration (I haven't found the source of it and I don't agree with you), but presentation is key to fighting games and if your game has bad presentation, it is understandable that people won't like it. Hell, that's one of the reasons i've never gotten into Nether Realm games. You may not consider presentation to be all that important, and that's fine, but you shouldn't bash others for prioritizing it more. Also, I feel like those people have other reasons for thinking that Injustice 2 is a bad game but given as i haven't found someone saying that it is a bad overall game, i can't really provide evidence. Also also, I highly doubt this has to do with game awards. That was a very small point in the video and it was more of a justification to make the video than a point against the game. Hell, OP didn't even make a big deal about it winning awards and i've yet to find people who did. Game awards don't matter all that much in the FGC (generally speaking), but seeing as Nether Realm appeals to a greater audience than the FGC, I can maybe see this being a point of bigger contention.

You need to consider the possibility that most of the comments may be from really young people, really young.

@@BananaSandwich3000 You stopped at that part and didn't listen to anything he said.

LOL not even that. Its just the gore. Fatalities and Brutalities. Moron Kombat hahahaha

I can't even look at Netherrealm games the same way anymore. And I just got killer instinct for pc and omg....just no more words

Topher Hawkes Killer Instinct’s animations are top notch! It’s kinda sad that it doesn’t get more recognition.

@@thezantgeneral677 I wish KI came out for ps4. id definitely get it!

Ddubble21 Well it’s on Steam and the Microsoft Store. So if You’ve got be good enough PC I’d go for it!

Exactly! I didn't know i hate injustice 2 animations, but now i do.

King Kalil good for you, your not even playing it so you might as well not watch it

Degis Johnson It’s still a great and fun game (especially getting cool gear) What I meant was now that he pointed out the whole bad animations issues, I’ll be looking at that instead of watching the matches for entertainment like I normally do lol. Kinda a shame too since I’ve been watching a lot of TMNT gameplay lately

King Kalil come on you can't tell me that the tmnt aren't well animated? That means nrs are getting better just wait they'll get there

Degis Johnson I love the Turtles animations! Especially Leo's since he's my favorite of the group lol. Hopefully with MK11, NRS will continue to improve on their animations

So you didn’t notice it? So it doesn’t really matter that much. He is being picky

my favorite is Rachel from Blazblue. I think one of her minions stretches into a chair and she just sits down. I think HIlda from Uniel is similar?

Beerus from DBFZ is a good example of this too. He's a literal God, beyond the levels of anyone in the games. When he is beaten, he just lays down and takes a nap, saying he's bored of fighting.

+The Enygma I love how Rachel doesn't even really fight you herself, she just gets close and lets her minions do the work. You don't even beat her, you just beat her dumb couch cat thing.

Hell, to add on, if they really wanted the characters to get up after getting downed, just do something similar to under night in birth where when characters get knocked down, they get back up in different crouching position.

dracocrusher Hell, she DOESN’T EVEN GET SHOCKED! XD The only other character who has this is Celica, where her hurt animations give the impression that Minerva is protecting her from imminent damage (including shock)

Sperium3000 I'd actually like to hear his opinion on that, I've only seen some Donatello and Raphael footage but they seem to move pretty decently. They seem to have weight and momentum and everything. Even saw one of them rotate into and snap out a kick.

Sperium3000 not readout a low bar at all. Most all of the dlc charavyers are beautifully animated improving on what was already a beautifully animated game. But idk if turtles are the best. I just love captain atom so much

Aaron Rainbolt The Atom and Captain Atom are two different characters btw. One shrinks/grows the other is like Superman + Dr.Manhattan but not as strong as either

Error thanks, man lmao

Dat stance switch that changes the location of hellboys bigger arm lol

It's all been pretty revealing about the NRS "community" to be honest. I don't expect much from people who buy a game based on boobs to blood ratio but I didn't expect them to get *worse.* Heh. Silly me. :)

I just find it funny that nrs fanboys only argument is "it don't matter I don't even notice it and all that matters is gameplay"

I’m very late but... fighting game has 3 principles: Style Functionality Animation These are all identity of a fighting game, without one of it, the other will fall F A S T without style, we won’t get games like: Marvel VS Capcom, Guilty Gear or Skullgirls Without functionality, we won’t get: Street fighter, KOF (still age like God’s of alcohol’s finest wine in terms of style) or Fatal Fury Without animation, we won’t get.... any of the above actually Animation is so integral to the games, swapping KOF animation with Street fighter animation will be EXTREMELY jarring, from strong keyposes with personality and some realism to... strong keyposes... ok, I’m sorry for being bias Mortal Kombat, has a realistic art style with a high speed footsie and aiming for grounded juggler style fighting game, the animation should be like KOF but _nope,_ we get this shit

@@James-oj6ru ngl, you should post this as a seperate comment.

get out of my head

What can you expect from NS

I honestly wouldn't say that, MK 11 at least improved animation wise.

Kekkersboy Yeah it just does not make you feel very super like. Mkvsdc made me feel more like a superhero with freefall and the heroic brutality . That game is still one of my favorites.

Micaela Salgado the animations in that game were arguably even worse.

Trust me they don't listen to the fans

Of course they sucked, he was comparing standing normals to other fighting games' special moves! If you look at the actual special animations, such as starfire's for example, the attack animations are exactly what he wanted.

He looks at one of Ivy's special attack animations at 7:24 and it's by far the worst one.

talk about two faced

no weeb

MVCI in game animations are FAR superior. That was never the issue with the game.

MvCI has pretty good core gameplay elements... its really the rest that looks like a toilet.

I've noticed this too and I agree that it's a huge problem. However, I'm not a sound engineer and I don't know the first thing about the specifics behind how sounds work except for when they do and when they don't, so I'm afraid I can't elaborate on that. -A.B.I.

I agree with that, I don´t like how almost all of the punches sound the same, even when some characters don´t even use their clenched fist, yet it still "sounds" like one, although I must say some characters like Hellboy who have some god hit gunshots sounds, but his stone fist hit sounds sound the same, and they don´t even sound good. This makes me a bit sad about the flaws of Injustice, but I still see it as a great game.

I have an issue specially with blast attacks, Black adam lightning effects are the worst.

Tekken always had the best hit sounds. A simple 1-2 sounds like the most devastating punches ever thrown out.

NRS must have seen Man of Steel judging by Superman's.. super. But none of the fights have the impact of those DCEU movies (I know they're riddled with problems, but those movies made you believe that they're super-powered gods). A wasted opportunity.

Most of them are a bit upset about the award thing that ABI said even though he said Injustice 2 hit's the mark on other area's. That, and most people who love the game have their feelings hurt by criticism and use the "I never noticed and don't care anyway" excuse.

most of them are young fanboying kids, they can't distinguish shit from chocolate. What do you expect.

I mean his bouncing ball animation was laughably bad.

@@MechNominal its still better than injustices "animation"

@@alejandromomota6934 nice argument you've got there buddy

1shoryuken Well you aren't being forced to play or buy them then. Save the money for your some flawless art displays or something, because that's what games apparently amount to.

Daniel Goforth lol

So people can't complain about shitty animations, huh. He's not talking about the gameplay, you know (which is great). This whole "you aren't being forced to play or buy them" argument doesn't really apply to critiquing animation quality, which is always in full display.

This is what turns me off of NRS fighters. They have no fluidity to combat. Nothing flows together. Even the most complex chains in fighters from other studios still carry fluid animations that just fucking sell the entire combo. Mortal Kombat and Injustice fails miserably in that aspect, which is sad because that's usually the most appealing aspect in any mainstream fighter.

Its a real dissapointment because they are some great games if you can get past the jank.

They won't care. They know they can keep making sub-par games so long as they keep bringing the dateless wonders the boobies! :D

Valserp oh does a 2 second animation make you not like a game

your absolutely right.

Again more people blaming it on ‘the idiotic west.’ There is literally no substance in your argument.

Oh go fuck yourself dude. "Hurr durr Americans don't have any taste"

Oh and Non-Western Games are sooo fucking great? Up yours

@@misterdewott8766 inb4 people say we're salty.

It's not going to happen anytime soon. Mortal Kombat 1 also has bad animations.

Dan Sora link my dude

exact same animations? no just similar moves and ideas

He`s not joking. Some of these animations are an exact or near 1-1 duplicate. Any differences are minimally cosmetic.

Exact duplicate? Which ones from what characters share the exact same animations or is it just NRS likes using similar ideas for certain moves (Bane and Ferra/Torr charge attack is an example of this)? Im not denying that some general animations don't crossover from game to game( like damage taking animations among others) but thats more of how the engine is( a limited engine thats showing its age with this game that is).

Sinestro and Davora have the same spider leg throw. Many characters have the same slide across the ground ability as Sub zero, there are many more examples. You can't really blame the engine. Capcom and Arc Systems both have multiple fighters under their belt, but they all play fundamentally different.If If NRS had bothered making Injustice 2 it's own thing rather than a MKX reskin, we wouldn't notice the similarities in moves. There are things in SF5 that can't be done in MVC, but Injustice 2 from a gameplay perspective, doesn't have anything that couldn't be done in MKX.

Sinestros and D'vorahs throws are completely different animations so i don't know what your on about that( although I do agree that the pincers from Sinestro where lifted from him to D'vorah, well at least it fits her character). So every character that has a slide copies the same animation from Sub Zero? Reptile has a slide but is different, Batman has a slide but its different, Harley has a slide but guess what, its different. Hell even Sub Zeros slide animations have changed drastically throughout the games. Also i can blame the engine since BOTH of their games are made from it so they suffer from the same problems from this non flexible,limited creative(in terms of animation and effects) dated engine that they have been using since MK vs DC(with admittedly improvements over the years but still). Sure the graphics look good but that seems to be the thing they vastly improve on the most(remember these games runs off a heavily modified Unreal engine 3). You mentioned Sfv and Mvci having different engines but those games weren't developed by the same team or technically the same company since one was developed in house and the other wasn't so of course the engines are different ( remember cross Tekken and SF4?). Arc System's cell shaded graphical engine pretty much lets them due what they want animation wise( which obviously is better then NRS's engine). I would love if they had use a different engine from each of their games too but considering their release window can you blame them?

That explains street fighter 1 frame rate slide show animation copy paste.

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@@Wavedashnoir ikr