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A brief history of goths - Dan Adams 

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What do fans of atmospheric post-punk music have in common with ancient barbarians? Not much ... so why are both known as “goths”? Is it a weird coincidence - or is there a deeper connection stretching across the centuries? Dan Adams investigates.
Lesson by Dan Adams, animation by Globizco.

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@sorcellerie
@sorcellerie 2 года назад
"it's not a phase, mom" **Roman empire sweating**
@justwilliam4802
@justwilliam4802 2 года назад
No reply
@balistah1287
@balistah1287 2 года назад
Two reply.
@scytherowan9293
@scytherowan9293 2 года назад
Three reply
@v4ncexx
@v4ncexx 2 года назад
Four reply
@kykoniko
@kykoniko 2 года назад
Five reply
@blindoutlaw
@blindoutlaw 3 года назад
True gothic fashion. Chainmail armour, iron helmet and a glorious axe on your belt
@brandonprendergast8342
@brandonprendergast8342 2 года назад
Yeah we don't need pants where we're going
@lucasbrant9856
@lucasbrant9856 2 года назад
@@brandonprendergast8342 Scotland?
@collegebro85
@collegebro85 2 года назад
Then in the 90's, it turned into chained wallets, iron facial piercings, and a flimsy enough belt to let your JNCO jeans to sag to your knees...
@Nikku4211
@Nikku4211 2 года назад
Imagine Amy Lee in chainmail armour.
@leonardoraele
@leonardoraele 2 года назад
@blindoutlaw Joke police here. They used bronze at the time, not iron.
@Saternalius
@Saternalius 2 года назад
Steampunk: When Goths discover the colour brown.
@milhousevanhouten9136
@milhousevanhouten9136 2 года назад
You just reformated a 2011 meme
@hephsmith3738
@hephsmith3738 2 года назад
Happy goths.
@roundlizard134
@roundlizard134 2 года назад
@@milhousevanhouten9136 all memes are just reformatted at this point.
@thegoblinspeaks
@thegoblinspeaks 2 года назад
see also: burningman
@spleens4200
@spleens4200 2 года назад
No kidding lol
@josephjackson1956
@josephjackson1956 5 лет назад
So Goths have been edgy from the beginning
@TsulaAngenati2292
@TsulaAngenati2292 4 года назад
joseph jackson yes, but the edge came from axes instead of annoying self loathing
@TomCook-jw6ur
@TomCook-jw6ur 4 года назад
joseph jackson Maybe hedgy; untrimmed; poorly maintained!
@RedFloyd469
@RedFloyd469 4 года назад
@Jessey Ellis Sue Perkins said it best: Emos hate themselves, Goths hate everyone else.
@Angel-mn3jr
@Angel-mn3jr 3 года назад
Red Floyd u do realize being goth or emo is just the music u listen to-
@Angel-mn3jr
@Angel-mn3jr 3 года назад
Red Floyd but yes u r right🤨
@strega0
@strega0 7 лет назад
"If you're a Goth, where were you when we sacked Rome?"
@vectorskywalker2235
@vectorskywalker2235 3 года назад
"oh so youre a goth? Name every Roman Country you captured."
@yaboiiiogre1332
@yaboiiiogre1332 3 года назад
Vector Skywalker There were only Two Roman Empires, and a bunch if numerous successor states from both the west and the east such as Soissons, Epirus,Trebizond, and more including the Gothic kingdom of Theodoro which became independent around a thousand years after the fall of the Western Empire. None of these were actually completely conquered by the goths. The Visigoths conquered almost all of Spain and southern Gaul and the Ostrogoths conquered Italy from Odoacer after the west fell so the Goths never took over an entire half of the Roman Empire. A much more accurate question would be to ask “If you are really gothic, how many roman cities and towns have you sacked?”
@MrCheesecake1928
@MrCheesecake1928 3 года назад
Omg you cant ask people why they're goth!
@4mnesia__
@4mnesia__ 3 года назад
Uhmmmmm I kinda had school so I couldn’t sack Rome...
@tonchette7993
@tonchette7993 3 года назад
Thousand'th like lmao
@ashishshrma
@ashishshrma 7 лет назад
so you mean, it's not a phase....?
@nickolassmith8759
@nickolassmith8759 5 лет назад
Yes, its not a phase. Ive been goth since I was 12 and Im 20 now
@_Katzenberg
@_Katzenberg 5 лет назад
it's more like a cyclican phase, who knows what would be called goth in the future (if there is one at all)
@kaiserwilhelmii9705
@kaiserwilhelmii9705 5 лет назад
Gothic knights are more badass Change my mind
@eleni4862
@eleni4862 5 лет назад
Once on the goth side always on the goth side
@Tricker-the-licker
@Tricker-the-licker 4 года назад
@@kaiserwilhelmii9705 no
@masterklaw4527
@masterklaw4527 2 года назад
Goth is going to outlive everyone who says it's just a phase. Current streak: >1500 years
@mrinsomniac2968
@mrinsomniac2968 7 месяцев назад
good news 1502 years now
@pumpkinlightsfanservice9484
@pumpkinlightsfanservice9484 5 лет назад
Can we all agree that there is just something so starkly elegant in gothic architecture? It’s stunning, the amount of strength such matchstick-like pillars and arches convey, and the intricate stonework and glass just adds to the overall feel. Elegance, grace, and the demand for respect just seeps from the walls!
@gunjfur8633
@gunjfur8633 4 года назад
Can't disagree
@RikkuTakanashi
@RikkuTakanashi 4 года назад
I'd never known that Gothic architecture was called thus to be derogatory. You'd never think it looking at it's elegance and grace. I always thought it was called goth because gothic and goth tend to be associated with "darker" aspects of society and the gothic era architecture were from a period people consider the darker ages. Which, if you really think about it, the stunning architecture of the "gothic era" was actually probably the brightest and most marvelous things in the average person's life back then.
@ducoo6212
@ducoo6212 4 года назад
@@RikkuTakanashi the word goth(ic) was just a term created in the renaissance and then used to name catholic church architecture of past centuries. its just a term like byzantine with no source at all.
@justanawkwardnerd
@justanawkwardnerd 4 года назад
I know, it must be some of the most beautiful forms of architecture I've ever seen! Definitely one of my favorites! It's just so awe-inspiring - mind-boggling how it was coined as boorish!
@bagleboy7985
@bagleboy7985 3 года назад
Usually I don't mind liking comments when they're already on numbers like 666, but I can't be the one to ruin the 666 likes on THIS video.
@EVanimations
@EVanimations 7 лет назад
Man I love this art style, very Samurai Jack
@pasijutaulietuviuesas9174
@pasijutaulietuviuesas9174 7 лет назад
EVanimations Gotta get back... Back to the past... Samurai Jack... WATCH OUT! Gotta get back...
@EVanimations
@EVanimations 7 лет назад
Man, I wasn't even implying SJ invented the style. It just happened to remind me of it. Such unnecessary hostility.
@MasterGXD
@MasterGXD 7 лет назад
Morbidcrab ur mum a dunce
@masquenmanifest
@masquenmanifest 7 лет назад
omg i was just thinking this when i read your comment
@FRISHR
@FRISHR 7 лет назад
Extra T H I C C
@Asteroid_Jam
@Asteroid_Jam 4 года назад
Don’t 👏say 👏you 👏want👏 a 👏goth 👏girlfriend 👏if 👏you👏freak 👏out 👏when 👏she 👏sacks 👏Rome.
@aprilphinazee9288
@aprilphinazee9288 4 года назад
I clapped and sung it! 😋 I liked it
@JuanManuel-ii1ov
@JuanManuel-ii1ov 4 года назад
Sacking Rome is perfect for a first date, then Constantinople.
@valon5069
@valon5069 4 года назад
Juan Manuel sorry mate, that don’t exist no more. There’s only Istanbul now
@JuanManuel-ii1ov
@JuanManuel-ii1ov 4 года назад
@@valon5069 Byzantium, Constantinople, Istanbul, only a matter of name, still won't prevent the sacking a la 4th Crusade.
@ethanbenner6995
@ethanbenner6995 4 года назад
I’ll help her do it.
@sovietblobfish2330
@sovietblobfish2330 2 года назад
When she says she’s goth but won’t execute the prime minister of Italy
@TheEyesThrone
@TheEyesThrone 2 года назад
Ancient barbarian goths: “Im sad we havent taken over the world yet” The cure: well im just sad
@Randive
@Randive 2 года назад
Rome was trying to take the world too, but I won’t deny anyone else wouldn’t have if they could.
@hermit0715
@hermit0715 Год назад
@@Randive Some maybe not all. I believe some of us just want to see each other prosper with freedom.
@KatieDeGo
@KatieDeGo 6 месяцев назад
I would give my foot to get Robert Smith to smile 😊
@KornOnAKob420
@KornOnAKob420 Месяц назад
LMFAO
@genericangst8665
@genericangst8665 6 лет назад
You forgot one very important kind of Goth: The Sims Goths.
@ilovecheez7769
@ilovecheez7769 4 года назад
Ah, Indeed.
@emryss9513
@emryss9513 3 года назад
Thank you- X3
@ericwhang9684
@ericwhang9684 3 года назад
bella belongs to tha streets smh
@GothikaRodriguez
@GothikaRodriguez 3 года назад
I stole Cecilia's Husband so I can become a Goth 🤦🏽😭
@KatariaGujjar
@KatariaGujjar 3 года назад
@@GothikaRodriguez Very --barbaric-- gothic of you
@ioannispolemarkhos7364
@ioannispolemarkhos7364 4 года назад
Vandals then: "We'll break your stuff, we don't care." Vandals now: "We'll break your stuff, we don't care."
@justanawkwardnerd
@justanawkwardnerd 4 года назад
Maybe that's where the word comes from?
@liamjm9278
@liamjm9278 4 года назад
@@justanawkwardnerd The Vandals sacked Rome so hard that the word Vandalism was invented.
@akakios7386
@akakios7386 3 года назад
@@liamjm9278 And then of course Christian and Roman writers focused on that, and all the negatives without remembering A.) They actually built more that they destroyed, (The amount of stuff they built in Carthage is facinating, they did still sack Rome though, very hard, almost too hard). B.) the Vandals were also Christian, a different type of Christian, but Christian none the less. - But hey, this is what happens, people tend to villainize their enemies, I mean no offense to modern Christianity. The past was brutal, and people seem to love turning their rivals into demons.
@liamjm9278
@liamjm9278 3 года назад
@@akakios7386 Ok barbarian.
@stuckonaslide
@stuckonaslide 3 года назад
yes, that is what a vandal is
@sadsackkvisling9694
@sadsackkvisling9694 4 года назад
I remember when Gothic chicks spent most of their time tending cattle, piggies, wagons, horses, weaving, and babies.
@riri_rmrz
@riri_rmrz 3 года назад
@@Regarded69 Pretty different. Most “goths” don’t have any biological relation to the ancient Spaniards. It’s just a style now sadky
@lil_pan46
@lil_pan46 3 года назад
@@riri_rmrz you're kidding..right...?
@bruhguy2356
@bruhguy2356 3 года назад
@@riri_rmrz Spaniards? Are you on drugs?
@Reichthoff
@Reichthoff 2 года назад
Valkyries were gothic chicks too! They were the nordic warrior women.
@chaudharyakshaypanwar91
@chaudharyakshaypanwar91 2 года назад
This goth race is known as jatt/jutt/jat in Indian subcontinent, getae in romania and in greek language and got/goths in germany and european countries.
@singulartrout
@singulartrout 3 года назад
you're forgetting the only true goth icoon of the 21st century: Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way
@abigailmartin2650
@abigailmartin2650 3 года назад
C Fish im shaken to my core why did you have to dredge up this curse
@gabyrivera1731
@gabyrivera1731 3 года назад
Good god
@yoot3008
@yoot3008 3 года назад
don’t forget draco
@Mike-lx9qn
@Mike-lx9qn 3 года назад
I don't get it
@Nobody-im2jh
@Nobody-im2jh 3 года назад
@@Mike-lx9qn My Immortal fanfiction
@kindofme07
@kindofme07 7 лет назад
this video is so visually pleasing
@WhispersOfWind
@WhispersOfWind 7 лет назад
aesthetics (tm)
@17-MASY
@17-MASY 5 лет назад
3:33 so...it was Walpole
@galahad6189
@galahad6189 3 года назад
Corporate art style vibes
@happy_moth
@happy_moth 2 года назад
classic cal arts
@xcarlosssx
@xcarlosssx 6 лет назад
Real goths were born in the 1200s, posers
@1EmaRock1
@1EmaRock1 4 года назад
HAHAHAHAHA
@TheUnMaka
@TheUnMaka 4 года назад
@@1EmaRock1 What's so funny?
@1EmaRock1
@1EmaRock1 4 года назад
@@TheUnMaka The joke, I am a simple person, I was amused at the joke.
@TheUnMaka
@TheUnMaka 4 года назад
@@1EmaRock1 I understand your reason of joy, I asked what was the joke.
@1EmaRock1
@1EmaRock1 4 года назад
@@TheUnMaka Ah! Okay. Lately when some young people dressed as gothic appear and say they are gothic, millennial goths complain about these young people who "pretend" to be gothic, and tell them "You are not a real gothic! The real gothic is about the 80's gothic MUSIC " The joke based on the history of goticism is that you could say that the millennial goths are not real goths because the real goths are those of the 1200s and they (the millennial goths) are posers.
@marylight9700
@marylight9700 6 лет назад
It's ironic that Christians namely (/possibly others?) see Gothic as Demonic when in reality, Gothic came _from_ when Christianity had a choke-hold on society/was most powerful
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 6 лет назад
Actually it's Enlightnment, Renaissance and in general rationalism which sees gothic as "demonic" in the sense of being populated by irrational "demons", including Christian ideas.
@abrupt.cr4sh
@abrupt.cr4sh 6 лет назад
Also, not all Christians see Goth as demonic. Only the more judgmental ones. As a Christian and a Goth, who also happens to be obsessed with the Gothic tribes, I can safely say that most actual Christians have no problems with it. Our only concerns are with lyrical content and what symbols you wear.
@martiqueheisler5959
@martiqueheisler5959 5 лет назад
Brandon Phillips Very true (I'm a Christian too, although gothic isn't quite my style lol. No hate intended tho)
@jlupus8804
@jlupus8804 5 лет назад
Dang ignorance is strong in this one
@haleyconnor1623
@haleyconnor1623 5 лет назад
Ikr I’m Christian but I think it’s ridiculous when people call everything satanic like Halloween or goths like without satan there would be no balance in life
@mercury3222
@mercury3222 4 года назад
Well, what can I say? It was Walpole
@oneanimatortorulethemall4714
@oneanimatortorulethemall4714 4 года назад
I see you are a man of culture.
@enid0993
@enid0993 3 года назад
someone teach me i dont get the reference
@user-bm6nh5mm7b
@user-bm6nh5mm7b 3 года назад
@@enid0993 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k1kndKWJKB8.html
@ashipnerdoffical4260
@ashipnerdoffical4260 Год назад
@@enid0993 South Sea Bubble, Extra History.
@pilipusezra5957
@pilipusezra5957 7 лет назад
Kudos for the beautiful animation!
@Xeronimo74
@Xeronimo74 7 лет назад
yeah, it's gorgeous!
@WhispersOfWind
@WhispersOfWind 7 лет назад
yes, something to behold. In this sense I really love 'illustrations' of various sort, and (general) drawings/art... that tell _something,_ some more elaborately (so) than others.
@helenhoang3793
@helenhoang3793 7 лет назад
Philipus Ezra I
@rickandjoanw6010
@rickandjoanw6010 6 лет назад
It looks like something from samurai jack
@Peachey1117
@Peachey1117 6 лет назад
Philipus Ezra I
@WitchKat
@WitchKat 7 лет назад
hmm, it ignores a bit of the outside forces and influences of Gothic fashion - specifically, the fashion movement based of Victorian era mourning attire, popularized by queen Victoria's famously drastic additions to mourning etiquette after the death of her husband. it's one of the first connections of fashion to the term Gothic, due like the video says to the churches and somewhat to the writing, but specifically connecting the clothing to death and funerals. it's also why every goth ever has to constantly hear the sarcastic questions 'who died?' and 'where is the funeral?'. for all these reasons Gothic subculture is both consciously and subconsciously hardwired to the ideas of death, doom and gloom in the minds of collective society no matter how lively it is in actuality. but hey. at least we can be counted on to put the Fun in Funeral.
@kikaiko99
@kikaiko99 6 лет назад
AlphaMonster best comment.
@Queenofobscurepairings
@Queenofobscurepairings 6 лет назад
Ya! It irks me too. I love how original goths give us all this. But I into Victorian/Edwardian clothing..and I hate when people say "Am goth" and am "NO! you just in love dark era of Victorian/ed times when death was common and they were madly love with idea." You know.
@kennethmckay6391
@kennethmckay6391 4 года назад
Thats because fashion was a happy side effect not the point of the gothic music subculture. And it was a music subculture. That a lot of people dont realise, acknowledge, or accept this is their problem.
@vampireotaku4172
@vampireotaku4172 4 года назад
Don't forget edwardian as well. My favorite 🖤
@RaRa-vf3zx
@RaRa-vf3zx 4 года назад
But this isn’t about fashion, but about origin and terminology lol
@Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost
@Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost 5 лет назад
Thanks for this. I always thought that saying "goth originated in the early 80s with death metal" was far too narrow to describe the culture. Especially with many Goths having a common interests in classic horror movies and literature, many of which predate the 1970s at the latest.
@DEATHBYFLYINGCDS
@DEATHBYFLYINGCDS 3 года назад
Metal has nothing to do with goth whatsoever
@kokkakurogers1520
@kokkakurogers1520 7 месяцев назад
THIS
@Foxtrotter42
@Foxtrotter42 3 года назад
anyone else notice how the modern goth looked exactly like Siouxsie Sioux from Siouxsie and the banshees?
@punkrockjoanofarc
@punkrockjoanofarc 3 года назад
I do! She rocks!
@GanjaMasterBlaster
@GanjaMasterBlaster 3 года назад
I already recognized her! Big fan of Siouxsie and the Banshees
@Foxtrotter42
@Foxtrotter42 3 года назад
@@GanjaMasterBlaster Same, incredible voice
@GanjaMasterBlaster
@GanjaMasterBlaster 3 года назад
@@Foxtrotter42 i know I really love her voice, especially the song Spellbound Also big fan of the cure as well And I'm a cybergoth fan of Eisenfunk
@Foxtrotter42
@Foxtrotter42 3 года назад
@@GanjaMasterBlaster Yesss Spellbound is one of my favourites, The Cure i'm not too big on however gotta love A Forest, I'm more into Birthday Party and Bauhaus
@lucenildofilho5710
@lucenildofilho5710 7 лет назад
Now I'm wanting them to do episodes about all music styles
@kdoe1305
@kdoe1305 7 лет назад
Lucenildo Filho Yaaasss death metal and black metal! :)
@badusername723
@badusername723 7 лет назад
Is Gorillaz a music style?
@scarletstarlet773
@scarletstarlet773 7 лет назад
+Bad Username no, it's a band
@GlowZoe
@GlowZoe 7 лет назад
Bad Username yes actually
@darksidecola4529
@darksidecola4529 7 лет назад
K Doe If they did one on metal in general I would die of happiness.
@CrazyMixization
@CrazyMixization 7 лет назад
"to artists finding beauty in darkness"
@fandyus4125
@fandyus4125 7 лет назад
What about it?
@DrPonner
@DrPonner 7 лет назад
There is a beauty in darkness.
@fandyus4125
@fandyus4125 7 лет назад
Hello darkness, my old friend.
@Dantick09
@Dantick09 7 лет назад
When I close my eyes all I see is beauty
7 лет назад
There is so much beauty in this darkness that I cannot see.
@Jazzmany11
@Jazzmany11 2 года назад
Mom during the roman empire: "change clothes" Kid: "is not a phase, mom" present - still not a phase lol
@megagorillagripsupersoaker
@megagorillagripsupersoaker 2 года назад
ON GAWD 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊
@plebthepebble3877
@plebthepebble3877 2 года назад
"mother its not a pha-" "silence i do not want you wearing that- witch like clothing-" "how do even know what they dr-" "silence CHANGE THIS INSTANT were only buying food -_-"
@cristianbocanegra497
@cristianbocanegra497 5 лет назад
My goodness... These series are so amazing!! Explained in a way that keeps drawing you deeper and deeper into curiosity. I love it. Thank you!!
@Pwnedgamer94
@Pwnedgamer94 6 лет назад
So you could describe goths as someone who is an outsider, with art that is simplistic, yet beautiful, and embrace darkness as opposed to hiding it away
@mirashadowdance
@mirashadowdance 6 лет назад
Pwnedgamer94 modern Goth is more about post punk music such as some of the listed bands. The band members popularized dark. Clothing and make up to match the gloomy tunes.
@thomasbrady3827
@thomasbrady3827 4 года назад
The old goths could be described as elite cavalry men
@oonooooooooo
@oonooooooooo 3 года назад
i wouldn’t describe the art as “simplistic”
@beaniemartini5835
@beaniemartini5835 3 года назад
I’m gonna say you’re a goth lol
@FuzzyDereck
@FuzzyDereck 2 года назад
@@oonooooooooo I agree. That’s the only thing I take issue with about this video. I think the narrator should’ve re-used the word “ornate.” That’s a much more fitting adjective.
@gretchenhangleton9603
@gretchenhangleton9603 7 лет назад
"Artists finding beauty in darkness" ! What a great phrase to sum up Goth. Great video, nicely done.
@freakzone1284
@freakzone1284 3 года назад
Amazing video, i love how Siouxsie portrays the gothic style at the start of the video
@RIXRADvidz
@RIXRADvidz 2 года назад
She is considered to be a Goth Goddess by some people. Nina Hagen and Lena Lovich also defined the Goth Goddess look. good music too.
@joshuaperales3408
@joshuaperales3408 2 года назад
im genuinely blown away by how in depth and well made this video is! i wasnt expecting this when i clicked on it! well done!
@AYAmusic.
@AYAmusic. 7 лет назад
The animation in this is flawless
@rickandjoanw6010
@rickandjoanw6010 6 лет назад
Alex Stoffa looks like samurai jack
@shaqman5335
@shaqman5335 7 лет назад
wait so gothic is just dark romance
@kitaniwolfus7011
@kitaniwolfus7011 7 лет назад
GeoLancer also got music is not limited to one genre
@nyxshadowhawk
@nyxshadowhawk 6 лет назад
I think this video just established that the things these terms refer to are connected by a series of tangents. Does the distinction between adjectives really matter that much, if they once meant one thing and then come to mean another? (this is coming from a person who may or may not be considered Goth)
@cassiecooper7112
@cassiecooper7112 6 лет назад
My understanding of what goth is is that you find beauty in the darker things in life, like see death as not the end of your life but the next adventure you haven't gone on yet!
@Tangers3345
@Tangers3345 6 лет назад
Romanticism in the sense of the literary movement, not makin' love.
@themiller3940
@themiller3940 5 лет назад
Not for me :')
@sdawg310
@sdawg310 4 года назад
Cybergoth, Gothibility, Gothic Metal, and Steampunk have very little relation with the Goth Subculture, all of those are kind of their own thing.
@sdawg310
@sdawg310 3 года назад
@Malum they use the term 'goth' as a synonym for dark or spooky and not as a way of saying it has anything to do with the goth subculture. This video does a pretty good job explaining how many of the things which fall under the label of goth barely have anything to do with one another.
@alpertroncp2198
@alpertroncp2198 3 года назад
Malum You're not wrong...
@edwardsdistress5599
@edwardsdistress5599 3 года назад
@Malum slapping the term "goth" on random fashion styles/subcultures that didn't derive from or have anything in common with goth doesn't make them goth. I'd go as far to say that its rather insulting to the background/histories of the subcultures in question. Cyber is industrial/rave, Gothic metal is death-doom and Gothabilly is influenced at best. Steampunk is indeed a stretch because it's Victorian science fiction. That being said, if they were going to name sub-genres, they should have started with darkwave, ethereal wave, or at least its counterparts, like deathrock and coldwave.
@j0an-07-arc6
@j0an-07-arc6 3 года назад
You ain’t goth If you don’t listen to post punk
@schonlingg.wunderbar2985
@schonlingg.wunderbar2985 2 года назад
The good old times, when goth was about sacking cities and not about keeping gates... Traditionalism is bad and you should feel bad. This is even more true for punk-related traditionalism.
@jesseadams828
@jesseadams828 2 года назад
This part of history is simply not covered enough. Thank you for the great video!
@KuroiHato69
@KuroiHato69 7 лет назад
I am an Elder Goth and I absolutely loved this! Beautifully done and wonderful explanations. I too hope that you do one about the different Goth music subgenres and please use the same artist!
@SuperGman117
@SuperGman117 6 лет назад
What exactly is an Elder Goth?
@Saibishii
@Saibishii 6 лет назад
Sigiswulf An older goth, and generally, one who has been in the scene since it's origins (80's) I call them the O.G.'s (originial goths) They are much respected by the up-and-comers as well as the newbs (known as baby bats)
@meginna8354
@meginna8354 4 года назад
@@Saibishii this sounds like some weird larping
@CyberneticHamster108
@CyberneticHamster108 4 года назад
All hail the Elder Goth's, Gothulhu fhtagn
@averageminecraftenjoyer9419
@averageminecraftenjoyer9419 2 года назад
The 80’s and 90’s goths were honestly more fun than those emos that fake depression
@zombieinferno
@zombieinferno 7 лет назад
back in the late 70s we also referred to early Goths as Batcavers - which came from the London club Batcave that heavily influenced the subculture. We had schoolyard chants regarding Wavers & Batcavers which was ironic since my high school years were ankle length trenches, misfit haircuts, and 40-hole Docs. Still in love with my fair skinned, raven tressed beauty.
@TomCook-jw6ur
@TomCook-jw6ur 4 года назад
Gary A. Like I care?
@michaelinglis8516
@michaelinglis8516 4 года назад
@@TomCook-jw6ur OH damn! You got him good....took you 2 years but none the less epic burn! "Like i care" i bet thats gonna catch on. Its so fresh, not childish or dated at all!
@demonhunter9074
@demonhunter9074 3 года назад
Tom Cook the world doesn’t Involve around you or your care level that’s why no one shares their thoughts and opinions with you
@kevintcp370
@kevintcp370 3 года назад
So Batman is a goth?
@ironforged2329
@ironforged2329 3 года назад
@@kevintcp370 yeah, he also lives in Gotham City
@Scarshadow666
@Scarshadow666 4 года назад
I can see some future subgenres of Gothic expression continuing to connect to the past (such as ancient Norse and ancient Germanic culture), and even branching out incorporate other cultures as well, since the nature of a subculture is to evolve over time as new generations express their own version of being Gothic.
@Elligons
@Elligons 4 года назад
I think this better explains Goths than any Goth Vlogger youtube has to offer. Thanks.
@GothicElf68
@GothicElf68 6 лет назад
As someone who loves Goth music, fashion, and art, but who also enjoys history and other intellectual pursuits, I loved this. Great educational video concerning the history of the origins of the word, and to a lesser extent, the music itself.
@TheItalianTroop16
@TheItalianTroop16 7 месяцев назад
Bro goths are cringe
@purplepedantry
@purplepedantry 3 месяца назад
​@@TheItalianTroop16 Cringe Culture is dead, you heretic.
@Elias6233
@Elias6233 7 лет назад
Really great video, barbaric culture really amazes me. History classes rarely go deep into their civilization and mostly show them from the Romans' point of view.
@manospondylus4896
@manospondylus4896 7 лет назад
Elias6233 mostly because almost all of our sources about them come from the Romans and Greeks, since the "barbarians" themselves didn't write about their history.
@kehr2019
@kehr2019 7 лет назад
The romans had an empire the goths were just tribes but history doesn't tell is that the romans made it all the way to the river Elbe river so at some point they conquered most of Germany
@suleymanthemad1140
@suleymanthemad1140 7 лет назад
16patie Actually many pagan traditions and rituals were saved and transformed into Christian holidays. At least where I come from.
@thehh5118
@thehh5118 7 лет назад
Elias6233 yes! Thank you, I also agree. There's so much more we can learn about different civilisations, I'd take that course! Haha 😄
@charliecastillo2011
@charliecastillo2011 7 лет назад
Elias6233 Muslim scholars in Spain (during the Dark Ages) also paved the way for the Renaissance when they preserved and translated Ancient Greek and Roman knowledge. Muslim scholars even gave the West its numerical system of 0 to 10.
@CYON4D
@CYON4D 4 года назад
Congrats to who ever did the visuals and animations. They simply look amazing.
@budrothefox3666
@budrothefox3666 2 года назад
The animation reminds me of Genndy Tartakovsky! Well done! "Finding beauty in darkness." Definitely describes the entire idea well.
@chriswaldrip6273
@chriswaldrip6273 7 лет назад
Great video. My only comment is that while The Cure is more well known, they should swap places with Siouxsie and the Banshees in the animation. The Cure came well after Siouxsie, with Robert Smith of The Cure even playing for The Banshees!
@CowieThomas1997
@CowieThomas1997 4 года назад
Siouxsie is a Germanic name too.
@katrinac5522
@katrinac5522 4 года назад
C T actually, the name was taken from the Indigenous American Sioux tribe
@katrinac5522
@katrinac5522 4 года назад
AJtheory yeah, and that show’s title came from the Sioux tribe
@dungcheeseMORK999
@dungcheeseMORK999 6 лет назад
Finally, someone who explained the history and the connection between the two groups (the Goths and Gothic subculture)!
@KaritKtana
@KaritKtana 5 лет назад
What a great video!! And the art ❤❤❤! I want each design and painting to stay on screen long enough to examine it thoroughly!
@avinavar4818
@avinavar4818 6 лет назад
This was a very beautiful animation, thank you for showcasing the art history and connection of the many art movements named "Gothic" though time! I'm currently at the end of my Upper Div. Gothic Architecture class and I'm sure this video would've prevented a lot of confusion from students who'd joined the class thinking that the portrayal of Gothic churches in literature was what the architects had in mind! I would like to also say that historians also refer to the Dark Ages as "Dark" because of the lack of written historical information and records from the time, making it hard to get solid images of how life was like, thus it being "dark"! Nothing to do with the cathedrals; their whole goal was to install as many stained glass windows as possible to make everything light and "heavenly"!
@mizukisora7735
@mizukisora7735 7 лет назад
I feel like this video was a great summary of what I've cumulatively learned this school year from German class, English class, and my gothic friend's lifestyle. IT ALL COMES TOGETHER NOW.
@shadow27b
@shadow27b 6 лет назад
Small beef with the timeline: Siouxsie & the Banshees pre-date Bauhaus, and formed concurrently with The Cure, and Joy Division. Nick Kent (in NME IIRC), used Goth to first describe Siouxsie (in comparison to The Doors). While she rightly hates being pigeonholed she was the front-runner of the genre, not a later edition or also ran.
@Skiamakhos
@Skiamakhos 6 лет назад
She's been many things - punk, goth pioneer, and later post-punk experimentalist. I think she knows her main bread & butter fanbase is goth, but she's always tried to do new things, be inventive & original.
@j0an-07-arc6
@j0an-07-arc6 3 года назад
Joy division founded the grown works for post punk
@ramawa
@ramawa 2 года назад
Both Joy Division and the Cure have said that Siouxsie and the Banshees were a huge influence,, You can find the quotes on Wikipedia.
@pryingeyes1551
@pryingeyes1551 9 месяцев назад
Speaking of The Doors' influence, they were actually the first band to be called "gothic rock" in a review in 1967. Some of their songs, like Strange Days, The Crystal Ship, and The End would not sound out of place from a gothic band in the '80s.
@nanodiaz2073
@nanodiaz2073 3 года назад
Beatifull BEATIFULL video man, this one and the Spartacus video are my favourites in the entire RU-vid, exelent work.
@theonlyjamiebourgeois9703
@theonlyjamiebourgeois9703 6 лет назад
Bauhaus personifies early gothic music to me. Happy to see them mentioned.
@ianbat7092
@ianbat7092 2 года назад
me too
@goldenduck3931
@goldenduck3931 7 лет назад
Next: A brief history of hipsters
@LughSummerson
@LughSummerson 7 лет назад
I could dig that, daddy-o.
@lalaithan
@lalaithan 7 лет назад
Brief meaning society one day realizes how annoying they are, stuffs them in a box, and leaves them there to out hip each other to death.
@eg6370
@eg6370 6 лет назад
V. Erin hahahahahahahahaha
@twofish4433
@twofish4433 6 лет назад
Wait no pls
@fivemeomedia
@fivemeomedia 6 лет назад
interesting fact: hipster comes from the word hip which meant to be high on opioids usually associated with jazz musicians and their fans who would smoke the stuff all the time so they called them hipsters
@brianmay3852
@brianmay3852 6 лет назад
a very important history lesson that many seems to forget to share. thanks!
@michaelpelegrino7936
@michaelpelegrino7936 5 лет назад
I always love how the animations here made us understand better.
@zemelosv4941
@zemelosv4941 7 лет назад
Siouxsie and the Banshees didn't get enough credit. They were such an influential band and they were also formed in 1976, just like The Cure and Joy division... so not mentioning them and just listing them as "one of the similar bands that was described as gothic rock" in 4:22 is so damn disrespectful in my opinion. Needless to say Siouxsie Sioux was also the main gothic trendsetter as well....
@kdoe1305
@kdoe1305 7 лет назад
hibiscus head They can't get all OCD on the 1 stage of the entire story. It's just educational anyways.
@zemelosv4941
@zemelosv4941 7 лет назад
Lawrence Bottorff Well I guess bands avoid the goth label because they find it limiting.. which it is in my opinion. And also Bauhaus out of the three bands that were mentioned happen to be the least diverse and versatile so it kinda makes sense why they didn't seem to mind being branded as goth. On the other hand, Robert Smith of the cure looked and dressed "goth" but that was it, there was nothing goth about their music imo and so is the case with many of their contemporaries, including Siouxsie and the Banshees but they did influence the gothic subculture however.
@madamehearse9379
@madamehearse9379 5 лет назад
Chill lol
@idil3993
@idil3993 4 года назад
narrator couldn’t pronounce it properly that’s the only explanation..
@cajejskscaksls2996
@cajejskscaksls2996 4 года назад
hibiscus head omg I love that band so much ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@Grizzlox
@Grizzlox 7 лет назад
I love it when I click a RU-vid video and actually learn something.
@chescie_
@chescie_ 4 года назад
I love how this dissected the word Goth, cuz it’s so broad.
@sonnybrown4758
@sonnybrown4758 5 лет назад
You guys are so damn good at this. I love these videos.
@amynurss1375
@amynurss1375 6 лет назад
Sisters of Mercy still rule.
@penzotoko6619
@penzotoko6619 6 лет назад
Fact
@MinishMoosen
@MinishMoosen 4 года назад
A hard reign held up by rage
@punkrockjoanofarc
@punkrockjoanofarc 3 года назад
And so does Bauhaus 🤘🏻
@ianbat7092
@ianbat7092 2 года назад
absolutely
@faolair3320
@faolair3320 7 лет назад
Although I am not part of it I adore the goth scene. Their style and the music is really cool and I always kind of liked it.
@Cavs191
@Cavs191 7 лет назад
Faolair Leloup is this video just a rip off of pitchforks last video? That was a vid about the history of goths too. But this goth has very little to do with modernitys goth fashion
@agatlingpea2232
@agatlingpea2232 7 лет назад
Faolair Leloup good for you
@JRG333
@JRG333 7 лет назад
Faolair Leloup then why are you afraid to partake in being a goth?
@PhonciblePBonehimself
@PhonciblePBonehimself 7 лет назад
Faolair Leloup come to the dark side ! We have cookies 👻
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 7 лет назад
And OUR girl scout cookies ARE made of real girl scouts! :o)
@TheSiberion
@TheSiberion 3 года назад
this was very succinctly well illustrated. Nicely done!
@rajnirani7772
@rajnirani7772 2 года назад
There can't be a better brief history of Goths than this.
@thedarkestowl4224
@thedarkestowl4224 6 лет назад
As a fan of history, gothic rock and steampunk, I found this pretty interesting. Thanks!
@jessie801000
@jessie801000 7 лет назад
Remember when MTV was good?
@ramsierjouster2443
@ramsierjouster2443 6 лет назад
Jtzkb I think he means "M"
@miempire9198
@miempire9198 6 лет назад
xErikTheRedx no i was still unborn
@GabiN64
@GabiN64 6 лет назад
No.
@bobhope9783
@bobhope9783 6 лет назад
xErikTheRedx you're going back to the 80s with that question..unless it's rhetorical lol
@youngceo5638
@youngceo5638 5 лет назад
Not really
@cybercat29
@cybercat29 5 лет назад
This is very informative. Thank you for creating this video.
@zararshaikh3911
@zararshaikh3911 2 года назад
Yo Ted Ed thanks for making the education free and man where do you find this beautiful scrpts it really explain things in spectacular beauty
@MetroDerg
@MetroDerg 7 лет назад
probably the first video on RU-vid I've watched within the past year that will genuinely help me in life
@TheBasjenator
@TheBasjenator 7 лет назад
What the fuck kind of life do you have that this is useful.
@HighDeafRadio
@HighDeafRadio 7 лет назад
That's exactly what I was thinking TheBasjenator. Also what are you watching on RU-vid then? If it's purely videos that don't teach you anything at all I can only imagine you that you watch exclusively meme or music videos but the if the history of the goth culture is so useful in your daily life then why are you watching memes and pop videos? So many questions O.o
@LughSummerson
@LughSummerson 7 лет назад
Obviously a steampunk barbarian time traveller ghost.
@mymyrrah
@mymyrrah 7 лет назад
Ice Zex Memes helped me.
@MetroDerg
@MetroDerg 7 лет назад
Blockman Zan ty
@lancelovecraft5913
@lancelovecraft5913 7 лет назад
No mention of Siouxsie Sioux? it was her maiden voyage that started the goth scene in the 70s! Why do people fail to understand this
@jebes909090
@jebes909090 6 лет назад
because no one actually cares about goths.
@TheDisney1901
@TheDisney1901 5 лет назад
Actually, look at 4:22. -S.
@tetsuoshima2314
@tetsuoshima2314 2 года назад
Man, that club scene brings back memories, especially the guy punching the air, so true.
@mj2068
@mj2068 4 года назад
finding beauty in darkness. this sentence is so inspiring.
@AH-qy6nh
@AH-qy6nh 6 лет назад
This was very well done, thank you! The team behind this should be very proud.
@obrkenobi1170
@obrkenobi1170 7 лет назад
I gotta say, The animation is absolutely beautiful.
@SnowFox-gv2rn
@SnowFox-gv2rn 6 лет назад
I had no idea that there was so mush history behind goths. I'm not goth, but I do appreciate the many styles
@megalopolis2015
@megalopolis2015 5 лет назад
This was so cool. Thanks for posting.
@mechanova
@mechanova 7 лет назад
there needs to be an art book of all these great images. idbuy one for sure
@theoneonyoutube4925
@theoneonyoutube4925 7 лет назад
Goths don't sweat... They sizzle.
@wouldntyouliketoknow8904
@wouldntyouliketoknow8904 6 лет назад
why
@sophieliebman1105
@sophieliebman1105 6 лет назад
They simmer
@jalapeno1119
@jalapeno1119 6 лет назад
YO DANNY FENTON HE WAS JUST 14
@robinhyperlord9053
@robinhyperlord9053 5 лет назад
No.
@sylph8005
@sylph8005 2 года назад
What's even the joke here?
@julianhermanubis6800
@julianhermanubis6800 3 года назад
Siouxsie teams up with Alaric and things really hit the fan.
@myliege8197
@myliege8197 2 года назад
I' ve seen a lot of Ted-Ed videos, but this one is the most interesting to me.
@KanaiIle
@KanaiIle 7 лет назад
Ah. So it was Walpole. 3:33
@juliahenriques210
@juliahenriques210 7 лет назад
Sure it was. As always.
@homerisLT
@homerisLT 7 лет назад
Extra Credits :)
@pez4
@pez4 7 лет назад
It's always Walpole
@soldierside365
@soldierside365 7 лет назад
Angelica Ichticola bloody Walpole..
@bobbyferg9173
@bobbyferg9173 7 лет назад
When the profile picture matches the comment. Well kinda
@XatolosWired
@XatolosWired 7 лет назад
I'm surprised this video never mentioned Siouxsie Sioux, singer from Siouxsie and the Banshee's. They are one of the first major goth bands (started in 1976). It's also who I'm guessing the opening goth woman is in this video (which makes it even more strange, not even in the "family tree" shown near the end.) This is Siouxsie Sioux (in the 80's) img02.deviantart.net/256c/i/2012/105/a/9/siouxsie_sioux__the_painted_bird_1_by_darkasterial_vision-d4wb58j.jpg
@kdoe1305
@kdoe1305 7 лет назад
Xatolos Wired Definitely like the band.
@gusstavv
@gusstavv 7 лет назад
Yeah I was wondering the same, why didn't they mention Siouxsie?
@friday13thirteen
@friday13thirteen 7 лет назад
They were talking more about the etymology/evolution of the word "goth," not necessarily about the actual goth subculture and music scene. I agree she could have gotten a mention, but this video isn't really focused on individuals, more the overall idea of what "gothic" is.
@gregasmic
@gregasmic 7 лет назад
I agree with fridaythe13thirteen , but if you look at 4:23 , Siouxsie and the Banshees is right there at the "family tree"
@XatolosWired
@XatolosWired 7 лет назад
Greg Runtunuwu I didn't see the name there. Thank you for pointing it out. Without seeing that there, it seemed like they used a likeness but then never made any mention of the likeness, seems it was I just missed the reference.
@stelleratorsuprise8185
@stelleratorsuprise8185 2 года назад
I like this, it's a short and simple explanation even if it forgot mentioning 'Siouxsie and the Banshees' whose singer first used the word Goth (or Gothic Rock) as a description for their music.
@harbingersev-oh-wohne
@harbingersev-oh-wohne 3 года назад
That was amazing, I'm so glad I watched that
@afrikasmith1049
@afrikasmith1049 7 лет назад
Why did Death get sick of hanging out with his Goth friends? Because he knew that there was more to life than Death.
@PeterKnagge
@PeterKnagge 7 лет назад
Afrika Smith I'm trying to tell if you are joking or if you are just another spoilt douchebag!?
@afrikasmith1049
@afrikasmith1049 7 лет назад
It was a joke.
@ben9820
@ben9820 7 лет назад
"other germanic tribes" Britons were celtic fam
@TheFunkoDunko
@TheFunkoDunko 4 года назад
The Anglo-Saxons were Germanic
@kennethmckay6391
@kennethmckay6391 4 года назад
@@TheFunkoDunko beat me to it. Could it be that the Saxon came from Old Saxony? Imagine that. No, Ben thinks they're Celts /facepalm
@samiamrg7
@samiamrg7 4 года назад
There were Celtic people living on the British isles long before the Saxons showed up. The Anglo-Saxons were most influential in southern Great Britain, which is why it is called “England” for “Anglo-Saxons.” Celtic culture remained influential in Scottish and Irish culture, which is why the Irish still commonly speak a Celtic language (Irish Gaelic).
@samiamrg7
@samiamrg7 4 года назад
It is one of the many reasons English is so weird. There were Celtic-speaking and Latin speaking people on the Isles when the Saxons arrived, which then influenced the Saxon language as it became prominent. Then centuries later, there were the Normans, who spoke a kind of combination of Norse (which is germanic) and French (which is Latin), which then combined with the already modified Anglo-Saxon language.
@Sueci
@Sueci 4 года назад
@@kennethmckay6391 did Ben say Anglo saxons?
@tsmeman63
@tsmeman63 2 года назад
Thank you for this video! Well explained! 👍🏻
@AshGreen359
@AshGreen359 3 года назад
This is pretty much what I thought, great video connecting the dots.
@aayushbhandari4387
@aayushbhandari4387 7 лет назад
I'm strangely attracted to the goth
@fandyus4125
@fandyus4125 7 лет назад
The male or female one XD? Lol.
@ComixLuvr184
@ComixLuvr184 7 лет назад
Kitties McTitties That was probably Siouxsie Sioux. Look her up.
@agatlingpea2232
@agatlingpea2232 7 лет назад
Kitties McTitties _..
@deacon6453
@deacon6453 7 лет назад
bearskin, helmets, leather, scent of bear fat, and black hair, yeah no
@danieldutoit5847
@danieldutoit5847 7 лет назад
Kitties McTitties aren't we all
@thehh5118
@thehh5118 7 лет назад
Anyone who plays Age of Empires would know how OP the Goths civilisation is... 😅😨
@El-Silver
@El-Silver 5 лет назад
Those leather jackets are good for huskarls
@Reichthoff
@Reichthoff 2 года назад
Hehe
@Stanly450
@Stanly450 4 года назад
Thanks for this TED!
@nicolascevallos2244
@nicolascevallos2244 3 года назад
well put together, good job!
@pukinbabymiller4290
@pukinbabymiller4290 7 лет назад
My dad was a trad-goth back in the early 1980's and I was raised into the culture. Proud to call myself goth in opposition to today's titles such as scene or emo. Gothic culture has something very wholesome and warming about it.
@HighDeafRadio
@HighDeafRadio 7 лет назад
Did he really name you Pukinbaby?
@pukinbabymiller4290
@pukinbabymiller4290 7 лет назад
lmao nah. that's just some random alias. how'd you come by your name, high deaf? lmao
@El-Silver
@El-Silver 5 лет назад
@@pukinbabymiller4290 so .... Lets go conquere hispania
@jackieeem1590
@jackieeem1590 5 лет назад
I would like to know more, since I am also a Goth. But not raised in any such environment.
@Floral_Green
@Floral_Green 5 лет назад
jackieee m Step 1: Be born in Northern Europe in the early Medieval Period Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit
@bobbydowney7169
@bobbydowney7169 7 лет назад
Who knew goths had such a deep and fascinating history.
@Pers0n97
@Pers0n97 2 года назад
That was way more interesting than I thought it would. Thanks!
@melindasimon3027
@melindasimon3027 5 лет назад
Thank you for this informative overview
@mitchjohnson4714
@mitchjohnson4714 6 лет назад
They key part is the Romantic Era part, and it's mostly glossed over.
@simergoth
@simergoth 7 лет назад
Beautiful. Thank you very much.
@robertrutkowski4946
@robertrutkowski4946 6 лет назад
A very interesting overview of the development of the concept of 'gothic,' but I was hoping to find more of an analasys of the modern social group and it's development. Still a great video.
@griefschicken8875
@griefschicken8875 4 года назад
Thanks to UK. You made a genre of music that I value the most..
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