A Brief History of Math Rock

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0:00 Intro
01:04 Free jazz and jazz fusion
03:32 Progressive rock and King Crimson
04:31 Hardcore punk and SST records
05:50 Steve Albini, Touch and Go Records, Chicago
09:03 Don Caballero and Polvo
11:57 Emo math / Midwest-emo
12:39 Math rock in the 21st Century
14:25 End
Math rock is a style of progressive and indie rock with roots in bands such as King Crimson and Rush as well as 20th-century minimal music composers such as Steve Reich. It is characterized by complex, atypical rhythmic structures (including irregular stopping and starting), counterpoint, odd time signatures, angular melodies, and extended, often dissonant, chords. It bears similarities to post-rock. - Wikipedia
From Jazz of Ornette Coleman, Dave Brubeck and Mahavishnu Orchestra, to hardcore punk of Black Flag, to Steve Albini and Touch and Go Records, until Slint, Don Caballero and Polvo.
Acts related: Nomeansno, Black Flag, Descendents, Polvo, Don Caballero, Slint, Battles, Tera Melos, Gong, Frank Zappa, Greg Ginn, Hüsker Dü, Meat Puppets, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur.Jr, Screaming Trees, Minutemen, SST Records, Touch and Go Records, Thrill Jockey Records, Rapeman, Shellac, Big Black, Mudhoney, Bastro, Shorty, U.S Maple, Mathcore, Bitch Magnet, Tortoise, Gastr Del Sol, The Sea and Cake, Slint, June of 44, A Minor Forest, Chavez, What Burns Never Returns, Damon Che, Ian Williams, American Don, For Respect, Exploded Drawing, Today's Active Lifestyles, American Football, Cap'n Jazz, GIRAFFES? GIRAFFES!, Piglet, Faraquet, The Fall of Troy, Delta Sleep, This Town Needs Gun(TTNG), And So I Watch You From Afar, CHON, Clever Girl, Drive Like Jehu, Lightning Bolt, Hella, Battles, Tera Melos, Black Midi, Toe, LITE, Mouse on the Keys, Tricot, Elephant Gym, and Chinese Football.
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feckingbahamas.com/history-ma...
feckingbahamas.com/the-50-gre...
pitchfork.com/features/interv...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_rock
en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwik...
letstalkaboutmathrock.com/
#mathrock #doncaballero #stevealbini #hardcore #midwestemo
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@yungpolvo 2 года назад

I'm the son of Polvo's first drummer, and I just wanted to say that I was really glad to see their presence in this video. This was wonderfully made. I particularly enjoyed how you highlighted the split in sound that propelled artists toward math rock's primary influences, hardcore and jazz.

@westwoodmusic604 2 года назад

tell your dad he's still being appreciated and I'm stoked you're even looking into the influence your dad had on an entire genre of music. Watch the new Damon Che videos!

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Wow, thanks for your comment! Very cool you found this and enjoyed it! Polvo are an incredible band!! Long live Polvo!!!

@tazonia2535 2 года назад

@@westwoodmusic604 sorry to break it to you but Eddie Watkins has already passed

@westwoodmusic604 2 года назад

ahhh, i wasnt aware of that :( well he is still appreciated and remembered every day through Polvo

@arlag7550 2 года назад

I love Polvo 👏👏

@wcg66 2 года назад

My thinking of why math rock took of in Asia isn't the math thing but rather the stereotype of being musical prodigies or at least learning instruments (like piano)) from a young age. That's certainly the case with Elephant Gym.

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

That's an interesting and very reasonbale take - the focus on the technical side of music playing!

@ahumblerequest5222 Год назад

That's debatable

@denglish5 2 года назад

I think its so funny how jazz fusion bands like king crimson and hardcore bands like black flag both came to the free time conclusion for 2 very different reasons. And then a new genre that doesn't really share either of their sentiments was born from their relation.

@dizzygee87 2 года назад

God bless you for having Don Caballero in here, proper. Bonus points for NoMeansNo! Ruins really belong in here and Wooden Stars

@josejalaeno73 2 года назад

Fucking love Don Cab

@SH4n1AC_C4C7 2 года назад

Nomeansno forever!!!

@dizzygee87 2 года назад

@@SH4n1AC_C4C7 0+2+1, solid maths

@dizzygee87 2 года назад

If people arent familiar with Wooden Stars you really should be!

@dizzygee87 Год назад

@@josejalaeno73 Check out Storm and Stress if you are not familiar

@edgarespino3005 2 года назад

I's also like to add that there's a decent Math rock scene popping up in Latin America as well with bands like No Somos Marineros (Mexico), Dj Perro (Mexico), Wanderlust (Peru), and Tortuganomia (Chile) go check them out as well! They are all so good!

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Good to know!! I'll give a spin, non-english countries rock needs more exposure!

@edgarespino3005 2 года назад

@@StellasEncounter I 100% agree here some good songs from each band I recommend to listen too Onnie Jay Holy - No Somos Marineros Jazztas - Dj Perro Algo Especial- Wanderlust Espejos Dorados - Tortuganómina

@juliobastosjb 8 месяцев назад

So bad Math Rock is very obscure in Brazil. Our vecinos are much more into it!

@alebedw 5 месяцев назад

Macho Muchacho in Ecuador

@PowerToolRaptor 2 года назад

By far the best video on math rock that I have seen! I feel that Math Rock gets grouped as twinkly, clean mid-west emo when it is so much more! While I like emo music, I feel that you did the genre's other influences justice!

@bogapos2330 2 года назад

bless you for including black midi.

@china_is_asshole 7 месяцев назад

Whoa... had no idea Dave brubeck thought like that🤯🤯🤯.

@cruxofthecookie Год назад

Add Tangled Hair into the "Math rock in the 21st Century" category. Saw them open for Tera Melos and they blew my socks off!

@cosmicpanda7043 3 месяца назад

Listen to Colour if you like Tangled Hair. The frontman and guitarist's original band

@cruxofthecookie 3 месяца назад

@@cosmicpanda7043I have!

@dizzygee87 Год назад

Theres so much to unpack in here, You can hear Albini's work on the Albini mix of In Utero which was only recently released. They used a different mix upon original release. You have all of my favourite bands in here

@StellasEncounter Год назад

I'm still a fan of your username! At some point I'd like to do a piece just focusing on Albini and his influence. Thank your for taking the time to kindly reply. Have a great day!

@dizzygee87 Год назад

@@StellasEncounter Many thank you's Albini is a force of nature!

@ethandraught6435 2 года назад

It sounded like you used a Mars Volta riff during a transition, I can't believe they weren't mentioned. Great video!

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

I didn't...would like to know what song were you thinking?

@ethandraught6435 2 года назад

@@StellasEncounter I would recommend Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt, but really a lot of their songs on their first album Deloused in the Comatorium would fit. The guitar player and singer's prior band, At the Drive-In also have a math rock/punk tendency.

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

@@ethandraught6435 You're right, it does fit, haha!!

@c11p 2 года назад

This is the finest breakdown and synopsis of math rock out there. Many thanks.

@Chadav 2 года назад

Hi - I've been getting into Math(s) Rock (I'm British - no way can I say 'Math Rock' !) over the last year, and I really enjoyed your video and presentation style. Thank you so much - best wishes from Viet Nam.

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Haha, glad to know you like this Maths Rock video mate! Best wishes from China:)

@Chadav Год назад

Nearly 14 000 views ! Congratulations, Stella !

@dilldozer7604 9 месяцев назад

Great video. I'm old, but I remember seeing Don Caballero live way back in the day and not really liking them, but over the past 5 years or so I've really gotten into math rock, and LOVE American Don. Currently I'm really enjoying Tangled Hair, they just have such a nuanced sound and their drummer is amazing.

@StellasEncounter 9 месяцев назад

Glad you've found your way here! Thanks for watching! :)

@davidtollefson8411 Год назад

Now that was interesting. I can see why it took you awhile to put this together, there are a lot of clips of fairly obscure bands here. This type of approach has always been big here in Portland. Cool that you like Polvo, I remember their guitar player played bass in Helium for awhile. They were pretty cool. That You’re With Stupid book covers a lot of this. I remember being fascinated by free jazz awhile ago, played some crazy John Coltrane (now a hero of mine) for some friends recently and I think they thought I’d lost my mind. I don’t know, maybe I did. Thanks Stella, and I have to say you had me busting up at the end.

@scandalousbeans2591 Год назад

ive met both battles members. ian and john are both so cool and i got gloss drop signed by both of them

@alarma1 2 года назад

Would love to see a brief history of post rock

@TheMagicalArden 2 года назад

I swear to God, if she doesn't mention Swans and Tortoise...

@guitarscrub1893 2 года назад

Oxes is a very underappreciated math rock band

@hiroprotagonitis 5 месяцев назад

Shoutout Fecking Bahamas, they've done a lot for documenting the history of math rock and keeping the international scene from fading!!

@porsupollo9349 2 года назад

Lately I've been literally obsessed with Chon, they are one of my favorite bands of all time. Great video and great channel.

@punksterbass 2 года назад

great video, well researched and to the point!

@James-gp9ip 2 года назад

such a great video. i really enjoy how much depth your videos have

@matthewthompson6077 2 года назад

nice work, this was really thorough.

@hidden7249 2 года назад

amazing video and I think that black midi will be a catalyst for a new wave of math rock, due to their large success and blending of the more melodic and noisy sides of the genre

@sacredxgeometry 5 месяцев назад

well this was an adorable accident how I wound up here. Love this!

@StellasEncounter 5 месяцев назад

am glad!!

@matthewcoleman6642 Год назад

Imagine my surprise at seeing Henry Rollins having an involvement in yet another thing I like.. Mad respect for that guy

@mistercath 2 года назад

Recommending albums Steve Albini has engineered is one of my tactics! Lol good job on the video

@fanstream Год назад

thanks, stella - super videos!

@bobkat3372 2 года назад

Thank you for your great insight to explore and to expose the general public to the many genres of truly underground music. Cheers Y'all!

@RyderLComics Год назад

I learned a lot about math rock from this, thank you Stella!

@AbstractCatsMedia Год назад

Just discovered your channel, so glad I did 😊Nice to see Louisville bands mentioned 🙂 Cheers from Louisville/ JTown Ky. !

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Firstly, welcome! I'm glad you've found my little bit of the internet, I hope you find enough to hang hang around! *waves* Hi Louisville, Ky! Much love from SZ, GD, China!

@nickoliekeyov746 2 года назад

Awesome video on an under-appreciated genre!

@wallac11 Год назад

You have a wealth of knowledge related to this genre. Thank you for mentioning No Means No. Some bands that are important to the genre’s development are FredFrith’s Massacre, Breadwinner, Victim’s Family and maybe The Ex. Fantastic work here! Keep it up.

@rahawk69 Год назад

You have done some really good research in this video! 👏👏👏 Glad you mentioned Polvo too, I love them, and of course Shellac. Oh and Toe!

@bilcohare 2 года назад

the live action meme was good fun, but, this is a great video, heavy with quality well researched content! Congratulations on its success.

@asap.6283 2 года назад

Another band I think goes unnoticed within the math rock area is Massacre. Their album Killing Time is amazing.

@Merlincat007 2 года назад

Nice! Just got recommended this on my yt front page. You'll probably see a big bump in subscribers soon :)

@troop53no 2 года назад

I really like the editing that you’ve done, both with the clips you’ve chosen and the other animations/graphics

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Thank you! (my laptop didn't like it, tho🥲)

@hasibulashraf2218 2 года назад

Am I the only one who found her through ad on 4chan?

@Toeknee994L 2 года назад

Loaf

@marcomancilla2590 2 года назад

Anyone reading this comment should listen to Delta Sleep, they are a British math rock band

@kendalton6794 2 года назад

Thank you for that. Polvo are one of my favorite bands. 🎼✨

@lunarmiggy 2 года назад

thanks for this video, im glad I discovered your channel

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Welcome!

@gogoackman 2 года назад

good video, it was nice seeing some bands I completely forgot over the years. keep up the good work!

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed and picked up some old golds!

@pedrinhosangrento 2 года назад

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL

@guillegermo9406 2 года назад

Just... wow. This video encapsulates and makes a conection between many genres I like a lot... I know and love many of this bands! Good work!

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Rock on!

@JulioAvalos3000 Год назад

Keep the videos coming, Stella.

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Will do!

@mm1ka 2 года назад

thank you for the video! and especially thank you for listing all the related artists in the description 🥲

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

welcome!

@Swancorner 2 года назад

What a great and informative video! I love tricot, TTNG, and Chon, and it was really cool to see how this genre evolved over time :)

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@seank.2589 Год назад

Phenomenal work on these documentaries/video essays on genres. 👍 Best explanation of Math Rock history I've ever seen.

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Wow, thanks!

@rosemarypaleblue 2 года назад

you gave such a detailed timeline naming so many good bands, thanks for the video

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@ianhoke1472 2 года назад

Immediate subscribe outta me on this one, what a thorough and thoughtful interpretation of the scene as a whole, past, present and future. Some great recommendations on the side as well that I will definitely be checking out, keep up the fantastic work!

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Thank you, glad you liked it!

@nevertellanybody 2 года назад

excellent history! brought me down memory lane... now I'm going to be blasting shellac and slint for the next few hours.

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

hahaha memory lane

@Ninja_Gaijin 2 года назад

P.S. Rodan

@AlexA-xw3in 2 года назад

great video! you mentioned literally all of my favorite 90s bands

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

glad you enjoyed!

@spinnymathingy3149 2 года назад

Thanks for your descriptions, I’ve recently been listening to SOKONINARU, I had no idea how to categorise them, I now think they are masters of math rock

@emilysanders5020 2 года назад

found this video by chance and loved it! I'm a casual math rock listener, but your summary was super useful and amazing! gonna subscribe and catch up your other videos :)

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Thanks for the sub and welcome here! Am glad you got something from it!

@justalex9163 Год назад

Very insightful! I knew shockingly little of this

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Makes me happy to know you took something away. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, and hanks for taking the time comment.

@jontoyman Год назад

What a great channel. Great taste in music. I've learned a few great things watching your videos

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Glad to hear it!

@wlouisharris 2 года назад

Tough genre to tackle but you did it. I really liked Polvo - Exploded drawing. A few other interesting bands I would call math rock were Macha that were from Athens who also used a lot of Asian influences. Also a band called Lite that I saw open up for Mike Watt one time; a Japanese band. Also a more recent band I think could be considered math rock is El ten eleven.

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Macha did an album with Bedhead, right? Hahaha the video briefly mentioned LITE at the end!

@wlouisharris 2 года назад

@@StellasEncounter Yes, I forgot Macha did an album with Bedhead. Macha was always quite under-rated IMO. The bass player for Macha is now with Deerhunter. I missed your LITE shoutout but caught it in the rewatch. I captured this video of LITE - Rabbit in 2011. I have to say this is one of the most inspiring moments of indie rock I have ever seen. To see these guys up on stage for the first time in the US and struggling with the little English they knew but then to completely melt our faces with this version of Rabbit - it was quite fantastic(sorry for my amateur video skills) - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bYj-qupSmGQ.html

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

@@wlouisharris That was great, thanks for sharing! Hope more Asian bands will be performing overseas!

@wlouisharris 2 года назад

@@StellasEncounter Yes, hopefully so. This was 2011 so quite a while ago and quite a different time. I felt like there was more vibrant indie rock scene at that time; especially in Atlanta, GA. Mike Watt was very supportive of Lite and Asian bands. Now indie rock seems like a nostalgia tour for the bands that are still around. It is good that younger generations are taking interest and of course people like you in Asia taking interesting in these genres of rock music.

@anthonydayjr2339 Год назад

Stella you are doing great, literally been a fan since I saw you networking. Never give up, incredible

@StellasEncounter Год назад

aww thank you!! You subscribed back in 2021??

@lolzalot44 2 года назад

Cool video! I've been listening to math rock for over a decade and this put me on to sooo much more music lol

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Rock on!

@oscarcornah-burrows3347 2 года назад

Great video

@shiijicleowellgates1105 2 года назад

I'm actually a big fan of math rock, and btw I really love your videos! Math rock is kind of music explores me to the next level, so magical and so euphonious💛✨I'll already subscribe to your channel😊

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Thanks for the support, glad you like them!

@terminaldeity 2 года назад

Great video! I will also recommend checking out the band Algernon Cadwallader. Noodly emo-math rock band from the Philadephia area in the mid 2000s. Really passionate music with some fairly technical guitar work, but also fun and light-hearted, if that makes sense.

@211HighGravityLager 2 года назад

Drive Like Jehu ❤️❤️❤️

@philnichel333 2 года назад

Wow I lived the math rock era the video makes me want to listen to some of the bands I missed thanks

@georgemanolis1134 Год назад

I love that you included Piglet in the intro. There are some great deep-cuts in your videos and I'm impressed with your knowledge. Great stuff and keep it up!

@StellasEncounter Год назад

My pleasure! Thanks for watching!

@telosbrah194 2 года назад

Great video. I am here as a tricot fan and will be checking out some of the other math rock bands you mentioned in this video.

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Rock on!

@olivermasters Год назад

You looking off camera in search of your thoughts is very endearing. Great video!

@StellasEncounter Год назад

haha, thank you!

@juliobastosjb 8 месяцев назад

Stella, I only can thank you for the amazing researching job. This could be a chapter of a book or a part of a documentary. It's excellent!

@StellasEncounter 8 месяцев назад

Wow, thank you!!!

@themagicalbarp Год назад

I really enjoyed this video, thanks for the great info. Also, I'm really impressed by such great vocabulary outside the mother tongue - better than a lot of natives I know! Subscribed

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers! :)

@EternalRockShow Год назад

Great video. You're really knowlegeabkle about the decade I lived though and yet missed out on most of these gems. Time for me to catch up. Thanks for the recommendations. BTW I like math rock the band Roadside Monument. Check out their album "Eight hours away from being a man" from 1997

@blackhistoryofrocknroll 7 месяцев назад

Miles davis 's "bitches brew" came out in 1969 Funny thing, before Miles got into Hendrix via his wife ( the late rocker Betty Davis) His drummer Tony Williams , left Miles Davis to play the Rock n roll he was into, Hendrix and the MC5 . Those bands inspired his band Tony Williams Lifetime - John Mclaughlin, who played with Miles was in Life time before he formed Mahavishnu Orchestra. Jack De Jonet mentioned in some liner notes that it was actually Tony who steped out first when it camr to the fusion thing , then Miles got hip later. King Crimsons firat album was a game changer but the improtant period as well was the stuff they released a few yeara after that - 1973/ 1974 era ie "Red Era " King Crimon " you can hear examples of this on math rock clearly. One thing someone told me was an influenced, was surf rock. Im not sure but i wouldn't deny it

@vu4ea Год назад

I really enjoy Elephant Gym. Their latest album is amazing.

@liamingrouille9905 7 месяцев назад

thank you for mentioning captain beefheart. moonlight on vermont is pure math rock.

@420NEWYcod Год назад

japanese math rock has my ❤ Very good video! It deserves more love!

@PabloVostok Год назад

came for the content, stayed for the lovely accent

@coffee_crasher Год назад

Cool video! :)

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Thanks!

@JfromthaDale Год назад

great vid! Pretend is my fave band

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Cool. I agree they are great! Thank you for taking the time to comment. Have a great weekend!

@yygg4720 2 года назад

really enjoyed this! ....i'd add Breadwinner from Richmond, Virgina 1990-1992 . heavy and obtuse.

@scandalousbeans2591 Год назад

there is a band that was created in the early 90s called sounds like braille that was around when don cab was getting popular

@tweezerfetish 2 года назад

What a great video! And the songs you chose to represent each band were spot on. How did you come across math rock in the first place?

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Thank you! I can't remember now, the first band I got into was Slint a long time ago.

@caloyssk1 2 года назад

i got encounter stella marathon 🤟🤓 come on! the lightning seeds

@mathrockmaniac7643 2 года назад

Elephant Gym, The Bulletproof Tiger, Stage Kids, Chon, Lite, Toe, Floral, Covet, Alarmist some of my favorites to name a few. Great video btw👏🏾

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Thanks, glad you liked it!

@mathrockmaniac7643 2 года назад

@@StellasEncounter You should check out my covers, some crazy riffs🤙🏽

@ChongqingPunk 2 года назад

Good work as always!

@JGYokohama1 Год назад

Good list. Think the bands touring out of Japan at the time were very influential - especially Ruins and Zeni Geva. Their earlier bands were super but less influential. Unwound needs a big mention too. Cheers

@teethgrinder83 Год назад

Literally just got into Math rock (except Slint if you can call them Math rock or post rock?) through Hella and then Don Caballero and now I'm falling down the rabbit hole, along with Minutemen just in the past week who BLEW MY MIND. They remind me of Gang of Fours first album "Entertainment"

@tothefinlandstation 2 года назад

Another early influence is Richmond, VA band Breadwinner, and the previous band of Breadwinner's guitarist Honor Role.

@damonfrancisco5928 2 месяца назад

I almost didn't click on this. And then... First frame, Damon Che!!!🎉

@StellasEncounter Месяц назад

hahahaha~!!

@mrbravo9473 Год назад

She is so cute, her interest and passion for the music is so real

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Haha thanks!!

@mrbravo9473 Год назад

@@StellasEncounter your welcome, thanks for your insight and dedication of the art for our ears

@thekilldozer 2 года назад

Glad you had Shorty in there. But can't believe no mention of the Dazzling Killmen.

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

"many bands were from chicago and other mid-western cites....", I also didn't include Drive Like Jehu as they were from California. (love them btw) it's not the most complete list possible

@greggerypeccary 2 года назад

I'll second that. Shorty I actually never thought too much of, but leaving out Dazzling Killmen is missing a whole aspect of what was originally math rock (unlike the ponsy 21st Century crap).

@kaotinwinterscream1143 2 года назад

I love that there is a band called Chinese Football

@wcg66 2 года назад

American Football toured with them in Asia, for a couple of shows at least.

@taetae-ed9vo 2 года назад

their s/t is a masterpiece

@StellasEncounter 2 года назад

Hahaha same!

@evaplavalaguna 2 года назад

Subscribed 🥰

@ArenHill 2 года назад

I love the complete understatement that Frank Zappa 'experimented' with unusual meters. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that math rock and prog rock owe an enormous chunk of their existence to Zappa's output, in fact I'd go so far as to say that if it weren't for him, we probably wouldn't have what we have today.

@itsnotaracistconcept 2 года назад

The Infamous "Black Page"...

@ArenHill 2 года назад

@@itsnotaracistconcept all in 4/4 though, but the genius is the notes in between the beats.

@andrewmoser5539 2 года назад

Frank was most likely the first to play rock music in an odd time signature, in addition to having one of the first multi-racial bands in rock, the first extremely satirical/punk band, first usage of tape loops/musique concrete in rock, first usage of sampling, etc all within the very first successful act of his career, the original Mothers of Invention (1964-1969). At the very least, his third album, "We're Only In it for the Money," has segments of songs in 5/8 and 7/8 from around 1967-1968, but any raving Zappa fanatic knows that Frank had mountains of unreleased songs even by this early in his career, so its hard to say when he first played math rock. His first drummer, Jimmy Carl Black, brought his Native American heritage to the fore and played many of these odd time signatures in tribal blast beats (giving Mr. Black the distinction of being possibly the first math rock drummer). If anyone knows of a recording of rock music in an odd time signature before 1967, I'd love to hear it!

@ArenHill 2 года назад

@@andrewmoser5539 'Happy Jack' by The Who has a few bars of 5 in it, not the entire song though.

@aaronbechtel389 2 года назад

Johnboy, Donora, T4, Punching Contest, Norrhern Bushmen, Wider.

@auraofdeath423 2 года назад

THANK YOU!! Favorite Rock genre (apart from metal)

@oliviertruchon5648 Год назад

It will be great to have a documentary about progressive rock.

@gsboss 11 месяцев назад

If you’re looking for a big project, why not tackle the entirety of avant garde, or maybe something like danger music if you havent already.

@upgrade2afterlife Год назад

If you don't know them, I suggest to listen to Laddio Bolocko. Their full discography is on the double CD The life and times of Laddio Bolocko.

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Great suggestion! Thanks for taking the time to reply. Have a great day!

@gustavoberocan Год назад

Cool! It would be great if you included some playlists on your videos. Cheers!

@StellasEncounter Год назад

That's a great idea! Cheers! :)

@aod7284 2 года назад

Great video!

@EricHadleyIves Год назад

You know more about this than I do, but I am wondering whether the Minutemen (as you point out, an essential alternative band that was on SST Records) were possibly even more influential than Black Flag in getting other musicians to go in the jazz-influenced direction that led to Math Rock. Just something to consider, I suppose. Absolutely wonderful lesson here, and I'm glad to have learned about some of these bands I had not known of. I've just purchased some Chinese Football, thanks for the reference to them!

@StellasEncounter Год назад

Minutemen have a bit of math-rock in them, but Black Flag are earlier and more influential. You're welcome! :) Hope you enjoy Chinese football :)

@EricHadleyIves Год назад

@@StellasEncounter Oh no doubt, you've got that right, Blag Flag was earlier, and they were far more influential than the Minutemen. Blag Flag and the Dead Kennedys were the closest the punk rock scene had to superstars in the early 1980s. The Minutemen were never so significant. So I think you're right about the influence on Math Rock; we're not disagreeing. But, if you listen to the full catalog of Black Flag, and compare it to the full catalog of the Minutemen, I think you will agree that Black Flag had some degree of jazz incorporated into their style, whereas with the Minutemen it's harder to say, since their style was so idiosyncratic and unique, but at the time, among people in the scene where I lived (in the USA Midwest), the Minutemen were widely recognized as playing music that seemed to have something in common with jazz, whereas no one would have suggested that about Blag Flag, although probably the better-informed listeners should have noticed the fact that they were playing music with a jazz influence. Probably one of the barriers to the Minutemen's wider success (aside from D. Boone dying so young) was the fact that their music was less accessible because of all that wild creativity that drew a more limited audience (just as jazz has a more limited audience-jazz is generally more complex and has a more narrow appeal for that reason). Black Flag, on the other hand, could appeal to audiences that liked pop, metal, rock, punk, and whatever. You can still see people wearing Black Flag shirts and putting Black Flag stickers up to this day around here, but I never see anyone displaying any Minutemen memorabilia. Black Flag anecdote: when they played a show in St. Louis in 1984 (or maybe it was early 1985?) they spent the night in a neighbor's house. Back then, it was not uncommon for punk bands to stay in the homes of local fans as they toured, even the most popular bands. I remember once visiting a friend and having to step around the scattered bodies of some band that were sprawled out on his floor sleeping the morning after a show.