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A Bunch Of Reasons The Empty Tomb Is Historical 

Mike Winger
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There are several reasons to believe that the empty tomb accounts in the Bible are historically true, even if you aren't a Christian. And if they are historically true, then perhaps you should become a Christian. In this video I will outline several specific lines of argument that build a cumulative case for the historicity of the empty tomb and support the resurrection of Christ.
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Full Outline of Talk
0:00 Intro
2:01 #1 Multiple Attestation
5:47 #2 Early Attestation
9:11 #3 Unadorned, No Legendary Embellishment
13:00 Corinthians, dating
pre-Pauline creed, dating
Paul's visit to Jerusalem, Galatians
20:13 #4 Enemy Attestation
25:07 #5 No Competing Traditions
25:37 #6 Testimony of Women
35:54 #7 Noting Gravesites of Spiritual Leaders
36:48 #8 Story came from Jerusalem
38:00 #9 Joseph of Arimathea
42:20 #10 Description of Tomb
45:56 #11 Day of Burial
46:41 #12 Women Observing Burial

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@mytwocents7481
@mytwocents7481 2 года назад
Full Outline of Talk 2:01 #1 Multiple Attestation 5:47 #2 Early Attestation 9:11 #3 Unadorned, No Legendary Embellishment 13:00 Corinthians, dating pre-Pauline creed, dating Paul's visit to Jerusalem, Galatians 20:13 #4 Enemy Attestation 25:07 #5 No Competing Traditions 25:37 #6 Testimony of Women 35:54 #7 Noting Gravesites of Spiritual Leaders 36:48 #8 Story came from Jerusalem 38:00 #9 Joseph of Arimathea 42:20 #10 Description of Tomb 45:56 #11 Day of Burial 46:41 #12 Women Observing Burial
@jesswoodhere
@jesswoodhere 2 года назад
Thank you!
@karl323
@karl323 2 года назад
Super work for those wanting to study this. Can we get this list pinned to the comments?
@rakim3
@rakim3 2 года назад
Thanks friend. Mike could break his videos down like this!
@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 2 года назад
Thanks for the time stamps. I added them to the video!
@zioniskris
@zioniskris 8 месяцев назад
Jewish Crimes from Time to Time.: The hatred and conspiracy of the Jewish Rabbis with Herod the Great King of the Jews, against the baby Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, ordered the execution of all boys aged two years and under in all of Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:16-18)…And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24). GOD HIMSELF HAS PUNISHED THE JEWS FOR THEIR SIN 1. Battle of Badr in Medina 2. Expulsion from Africa. 3.Holocaust in Germany Peace, Zionis Kristen
@mccalltrader
@mccalltrader 4 года назад
“Christianity didnt start the belief in the resurrection, it was belief in the resurrection that started Christianity” ~Nice!
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 3 года назад
Surely Yahweh could do a better job of convincing his children that he exists than an ancient book full of contradictions.
@alpacamaster5992
@alpacamaster5992 3 года назад
@@JamesRichardWiley the big bang is literally that the beginning of the universe nothing became everything
@MrAdamo
@MrAdamo 3 года назад
@@alpacamaster5992 who told you that?
@alpacamaster5992
@alpacamaster5992 3 года назад
@@MrAdamo Georges Lemaître
@MrAdamo
@MrAdamo 3 года назад
@@alpacamaster5992 where did he say that? also, atheists do not need to believe by default that big bang cosmology is correct, or even that the big bang necessarily came from nothing. Or that the universe even "came" in the first place! But again, more importantly, when did Goerges Lemaitre say "the universe came from nothing"? wasn't he a catholic priest?
@shawnahathaway4762
@shawnahathaway4762 Год назад
In all of my life I have never come across any Bible study that is this in-depth, that takes every single word to complete understanding. I am beyond thankful 🙏
@JesseOpel
@JesseOpel 2 года назад
It’s always puzzled me as a fan of history how many pieces of writings that people generally accept as fact or at the very least a comprehensive account of historic events or people that are so far removed from the people or events, or have no other parallel writings to confirm their content, but won’t believe the historic content of the Bible.
@Notevenone
@Notevenone 2 года назад
It’s very simple really. If the Bible is true then God is real. If God is real then their sin is real and they will have to change. Simple.
@AmeeraG242
@AmeeraG242 Год назад
I know!!
@bikesrcool_1958
@bikesrcool_1958 Год назад
@@Notevenonethey don’t want to know they will be held accountable. Exactly. If The Bible is true.. I’m doing something wrong! But you know… … when they stand before God I hope they would have accepted him before hand, so they will be with us.
@tomasrocha6139
@tomasrocha6139 11 месяцев назад
For the same reason you don't believe in the historical content of the Quran, it's propaganda meant to convert people instead of providing an accurate account of the facts.
@Sharp_3yE
@Sharp_3yE 3 месяца назад
It's not about the true history, it's about God in general, Jesus, and people's lack of faith. Historians use it for good reason.
@reformedcatholic457
@reformedcatholic457 5 лет назад
This is what gave me confidence in Christ, it spurred me on to preach the Gospel. Christ is risen as I used to research on this subject and watch debates, no argument could refute it. So preach Christ death for sinners and resurrection with confidence!
@jmallet865
@jmallet865 5 лет назад
Matthew 27:52-53 New International Version (NIV) 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[a] went into the holy city and appeared to many people. Don't you think this is on the same level as the resurrection of Jesus? Yet not one mention of this zombie horde is mentioned in any writings of antiquity. Don't you think this would have been a greater miracle to be written down? A group of dead people breaking out of their graves and then they proceeded to stroll into the city. Look for any evidence of this, I dare you. Or, how about Lazarus ? Nobody interviewed him or the others about life after death and thought to write their stories down?Come on.
@truethinker221
@truethinker221 5 лет назад
​@@jmallet865 Ya and no one would have questioned the resurrection of Jesus after seeing this . This is proof of later implements. Many call this the second ending of Matthew It was inserted at a much later time. That doesn't mean it didn't happen though. We could look at this a couple ways. It is symbolic for the resurrection of the dead from Sheol (Hell) the Grave. It was inserted because a small setc of early believers had it written in there tradition. People were arguing concerning a physical resurrection so they made this up to give evidence of the physicality . They were superstitious and there was an earthquake but there were no bodies because of decay or grave robbery or there never were bodies. They were just tourist attractions. Any way it makes no difference to the faithful.
@jmallet865
@jmallet865 5 лет назад
@@truethinker221 Using that logic, that is proof how so many denominations have come about. Saying what might be allegory and what is not is all theological interpretation.
@truethinker221
@truethinker221 5 лет назад
@@jmallet865 Yes so ? At least allegorical about god. Theos. If you are talking about theology that means the study of God. I wasn't taking or mentioning anything about allegory.. If you want explain what you mean
@jmallet865
@jmallet865 5 лет назад
@@truethinker221 "It is symbolic for the resurrection of the dead from Sheol (Hell) the Grave." Allegory definition, a representation of an abstract or spiritual meaning through concrete or material forms;
@asherdem2105
@asherdem2105 3 года назад
Thank you so much for being up here!! I have always tried to study the bible, but I don't understand a lot. We go to church, but it seems like most services (the ones I have attended) talk about the same stories. In Bible Study I do learn new things, but it doesn't soak in or something. It all makes sense in the moment, but later when I try to remember it's tangled up in my mind with other bible teachings. That's what frustrates me and it makes me feel stupid, and I know that I am not. Apparently it matters who is talking or preaching to me because I have learned more the past few weeks than I have in years. Little things that I never understood are now making sense to me. You have helped my husband and I so much, and I just really wanted to say thank you. We have been trying to find a RU-vid channel to watch with the kids on Sunday evenings that we all like plus learn new things and also inspires us. We have a 16 yr old daughter and a 15 yr old son, and it is hard trying to find someone that they like. Tomorrow we are playing one of your videos, I don't know which one yet, but I am really excited to see if they enjoy your content and videos as much as we do. Even if they aren't as excited as I am to watch your channel my husband and I will still.
@That.little.dinosaur
@That.little.dinosaur 2 года назад
I suggest the BibleProject if you haven’t seen it yet. They break down stuff very well :)
@danacetz1162
@danacetz1162 2 года назад
Man, if I wasn't a Christian all ready I would of converted watching Mike W. Videos!
@dco8886
@dco8886 5 лет назад
Love this! Btw you have so many skeptic “fans” 😂😂😂 they are pretty vocal and love to always express their views, but these videos and info help so many people!
@exjwwatchingthewatchtower2806
@exjwwatchingthewatchtower2806 5 лет назад
Thank you for all you do. I was raised as a Jehovah Witnesses and after escaping over 30 years ago, have only gathered the strength to start sharing my story. I still like to connect with the Almighty, although I am not "religious" so find your channel helps to keep me connected when I have the need.
@billmueller8273
@billmueller8273 5 лет назад
Live Life Happy I too was raised as a JW and was out in 1980, was a pioneer, ministerial servant and father of 3. Shunned since that time by Parents and my brothers and sisters all who remain still in the JW mine control. I currently have 18 grandchildren most of whom my parents have never even met! I pray constantly that they will wake up and escape they are 87 and 80 currently...
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 3 года назад
Yahweh is everywhere, don't you know?
@austinperkins8348
@austinperkins8348 2 года назад
Hello fellow ex witness 👋
@PushaJerry
@PushaJerry 2 года назад
Hi! Where can I watch your story? One of my friends is a JW for 25 yrs but is taking baby steps to know and believe in Jesus. I have a feeling that she should hear/watch your story and it will motivate. Could you help me?
@TheExtremetraveler
@TheExtremetraveler 2 года назад
I'm 3 years late but great content as always! I definitely don't say this to spur a theological debate (as a former lifelong protestant) but I will say, when I came into the Eastern church, it was refreshing to have the entirety of holy week and the weeks thereafter really immersing and emphasizing these historical accounts; the all-night bural vigil, the celebration of Pascha, the commemoration of Joseph of Aramathea/feast of the Holy Myrrh-Bearing women, etc... all living historical traditions that convey these very truths even into this secular age.
@albusai
@albusai Год назад
Now you went to icons 😂 eastern Orthodoxy is full of gnosticism like Roman catholicism.. only scripture is so important
@cdunphy457
@cdunphy457 4 года назад
I am a believer and though I enjoy a good debate the reason I am here is your episodes help with my understanding certain things that I am unsure of and you do it in a friendly way thanks for your time and effort God bless
@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 5 лет назад
Here's the link where I'm going live on Whaddo You Meme??'s channel. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0i19-5T9mfg.html
@thelthrythquezada8397
@thelthrythquezada8397 5 лет назад
I've been binge watching and sleeping your shows
@ronnychristenjoyer6778
@ronnychristenjoyer6778 3 года назад
same, so much information and it's so enlightening
@angelr9096
@angelr9096 3 года назад
Me too!
@angelr9096
@angelr9096 3 года назад
I'm actually quite lucky i found this channel. My Facebook friend posted one of his videos, which got me started. Months later i told her thank you for introducing me to Mike Winger's RU-vid channel, and she didn't even remember who he is! Win for me lol :D
@danglingondivineladders3994
@danglingondivineladders3994 3 года назад
me too
@Notevenone
@Notevenone 2 года назад
@@angelr9096 I know you posted this a year ago. I’m sorry your friend didn’t remember Mike. I’ve been following him since the beginning of 2021. He is a wonderful teacher, loves 🐈 cats and is a huge Lord of the Rings nerd. Right up my alley. I hope you’re still following him and other.
@Judahmangi
@Judahmangi 5 лет назад
This video was super faith-building for me, Mike! It's one thing to know "the majority of scholars support X." It's an entirely different thing to know and understand WHY they support it!
@Mark-cd2wf
@Mark-cd2wf 2 года назад
Prior probability of the Resurrection (before examining the historical evidence): Low (“A miracle is the least likely explanation,” “You can’t prove miracles in history,” etc.). Posterior probability of the Resurrection (after examining the historical evidence): High (What is the likelihood of these historical events occurring if the Resurrection did _not_ occur?).
@michaelhenry1763
@michaelhenry1763 Год назад
There is no such thing as posterior probability.
@angietyndall7337
@angietyndall7337 5 лет назад
I enjoy your channel. This is very well done for many reasons and you're quite well versed. God Bless! P.S. Pericardial Sac is what it's called in Anatomy.
@themusicman669
@themusicman669 Год назад
I always wonder what these skeptics think happened to the body then. I’ve never heard any convincing argument other than the resurrection, and I feel this is why many of them have to resort to claiming that Jesus never existed to begin with.
@ParadeTheGospel
@ParadeTheGospel 2 года назад
Awesome study! There's always something new that I learn and it's just fascinating even if I'm already convinced.
@WickedFelina
@WickedFelina 4 года назад
Wow! You came up with answers that I had thought of but only conveyed to friends. Clearly, you are a GENIUS. I did a video on the authenticity of the Gospels in April and I had not seen your video. You gave some wonderful pieces of evidence I wish I knew about. There is one argument for Jesus really dying on the cross and not surviving it as many have claimed. I thought of it the second I heard this argument. How it really was impossible and it is more than just the beating. I am wondering if you had thought of it? It is a good one and makes his death absolute. I will sub and see if you think of it! It is BRILLIANT BTW! If I say so myself as no one has ever come up with it.
@isstephanie4
@isstephanie4 5 лет назад
Have fun on vacation! Thank You for Tour breakdown of these ideas against the resurrection.
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 3 года назад
The Resurrection was unecessary. Yahweh is all powerful and cannot make a mistake.
@isstephanie4
@isstephanie4 3 года назад
@@JamesRichardWiley I don't know what you mean.
@MiracleWhit
@MiracleWhit 5 лет назад
This is my favorite channel on RU-vid! Thank you Mike! Do you plan on doing cereal by verse through the New Testament? Also watched you on What do you Meme channel. 👍
@xxsageonexx8910
@xxsageonexx8910 5 лет назад
Do you think it’s possible that your belief may cloud your judgment and bias you to accept the explanations of Mike or other apologist, and avoid considering alternate explanations, motivations, agendas?
@MiracleWhit
@MiracleWhit 5 лет назад
*verse by verse not cereal lol
@MiracleWhit
@MiracleWhit 5 лет назад
XxSage OneXx State which alternate explanations, motivations, and agendas you’d like for me to consider...
@xxsageonexx8910
@xxsageonexx8910 5 лет назад
AD WHITMAN Your Response demonstrates my point.
@MiracleWhit
@MiracleWhit 5 лет назад
XxSage OneXx I’m willing to have a discussion if you’d like. You asked a question. I asked what you want me to consider since you think there are some maybe I haven’t. I’m not interested in gotcha or other nonsense. Just honest questions.
@lynnherrett6119
@lynnherrett6119 2 года назад
Hi Mike thank you once more for the video enjoyed as always gave me more insight … cheers
@imogenewalters6163
@imogenewalters6163 2 года назад
I loved the presentation. Very informative!
@SlayingSin
@SlayingSin Год назад
27:01 That's just like God though. To use the most unexpected people to be witnesses and to showcase His glory. Our God is awesome.
@renatusinchristo2390
@renatusinchristo2390 5 лет назад
God Bless you Brother
@bettymofokeng3404
@bettymofokeng3404 2 года назад
Pastor Mark thank you for the great information, you are the best👌
@Bikergirl_61
@Bikergirl_61 5 лет назад
Thank you for what you do! It is so needed. I have gained so much knowledge from your videos! Please keep it up! God Bless!
@xxsageonexx8910
@xxsageonexx8910 5 лет назад
So, would you say you believed before you acquired all this new knowledge?
@TimothyBukowskiApologist
@TimothyBukowskiApologist 5 лет назад
@@xxsageonexx8910 Do you ever get tired of doing Street Psychology?
@xxsageonexx8910
@xxsageonexx8910 5 лет назад
The SDG Apologetics It grows tiresome and frustrating when Christians dodge and deflect, yes...but I stay intrigued albeit saddened at the dishonesty required to cling to the belief.
@xxsageonexx8910
@xxsageonexx8910 5 лет назад
The SDG Apologetics You know very well, and may not admit, that an overwhelming majority of believers did not acquire the belief after thorough understanding of the Bible or explanations offered by apologists, which can spin any story to fit the belief, without a shred of consideration about other MORE REASONABLE and RATIONAL explanations, motivations, agendas, etc. But rather through indoctrination, insularity and the pervasiveness/human tendency to hold onto supernatural beliefs in order to answer problematic questions, such as origins, after death, morality, purpose etc.
@TimothyBukowskiApologist
@TimothyBukowskiApologist 5 лет назад
@@xxsageonexx8910 I'm curious. How many Christian academics have you read that disagree with you on these topics?
@mattlannimusic
@mattlannimusic 2 года назад
Great video Mike. Would you be able to link your sources in the description? I’d like to read through the evidence you’re talking about.
@jotink1
@jotink1 5 лет назад
Great thought Christianity didn't start the belief in the resurrection. The resurrection started the belief in Christianity. A great light bulb moment
@20july1944
@20july1944 5 лет назад
Precisely. If Jesus did *not* rise from the dead, He was just a mildly-interesting rabbi with an emphasis on personal forgiveness. This might be inspiring but would at most have added another modest school of "Jesus's rabbinic teachings" to Judaism -- much of a muchness.
@truethinker221
@truethinker221 5 лет назад
@@20july1944 And we would not be discussing it.
@kwahujakquai6726
@kwahujakquai6726 5 лет назад
Great thought??
@kwahujakquai6726
@kwahujakquai6726 5 лет назад
Is critical thinking skills a priority in your idea of what "Great thought" is? And is it anything close to what any individual should think, or what one is thinking is true??
@20july1944
@20july1944 5 лет назад
@@kwahujakquai6726 How do you think Christianity got started, absent the resurrection?
@LivingHopeFellowshipSturgis
@LivingHopeFellowshipSturgis 11 месяцев назад
Hey @MikeWinger! Question on @8:25. How is the Mark's use of the first day of the week Marcan? All 4 gospel writers use it, so is the assumption that they all borrow this from Mark? (I see that Matthew leaves out some definite articles? )
@TheJesusNerd40
@TheJesusNerd40 Год назад
Hey Mike, can you do a mega study on the resurrection including the Maximal data approach (Lydia and Tim McGrew), minimal facts argument (Gary Habermas and Mike Licona) , and core facts argument (William Lane Craig)?
@weecher8956
@weecher8956 Год назад
Good stuff right here.
@DeutscherGospel
@DeutscherGospel 2 года назад
25:37 "Testimony of women" is enough for me to believe
@traciehiggins7420
@traciehiggins7420 5 лет назад
Have you done anything on Mary Magdalene? I looked around but didn’t see anything. Thanks
@rhysqqq
@rhysqqq 2 года назад
Happy Easter!
@jenniferwise8515
@jenniferwise8515 2 года назад
Easter/ Ishtar celebrates pagan fertility goddesses and bunnies. Please celebrate Passover and The Resurrection!
@rhysqqq
@rhysqqq 2 года назад
@@jenniferwise8515 Mayve for you. Where I grew up, Easter is 3 days after Good Friday which celebrates the Crucifixion. Im in the USA, and Christian and not Jewish. I don't celebrate Passover, I instead respect it. We aren't under the Law. Jesus is the Word that matters most.
@jenniferwise8515
@jenniferwise8515 2 года назад
@@rhysqqq do more research. If you know Christ, you do NOT celebrate pagan things like Easter, you celebrate Passover, all Gods Feast days( they are not jewish), and the Resurrection.
@rhysqqq
@rhysqqq 2 года назад
@@jenniferwise8515 I don't celebrate pagan holidays. I think you are hung up on a pointless word choice if I'm being honest. You knew what I meant when I said Easter... cause you know what Easter is to people. You just picked a thing to "know". Many of our words are derived from Latin. I don't look in Latin dictionaries when I want to know what they mean today.
@jenniferwise8515
@jenniferwise8515 2 года назад
@@rhysqqq study Ishtar goddess. That is where Easter comes from. Where is goddess worship and bunnies and sacrificing babies in the Passion week? Why would you hold on to pagan traditions? You do not know the Bible, and since Christ IS The Word, you do not know Him. The traditions of ungodly people are not of the Creator.
@vincentawbrey8800
@vincentawbrey8800 4 года назад
"He is RISEN!"
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 3 года назад
Now that he is risen perhaps he can end global suffering.
@Mike00513
@Mike00513 3 года назад
@James Richard Wiley, He will just wait.
@Nameless-pt6oj
@Nameless-pt6oj 2 года назад
In His own time, He is wise and knows the best way.
@kaiwilliams141
@kaiwilliams141 5 лет назад
The most common argument that I hear is that people lied about it. My response (in my head) is, that's the best you got?
@Rosie-uf5ox
@Rosie-uf5ox 2 года назад
What in the world would their motivation be to keep lying about it as they were tortured and martyred?
@CC-pt3di
@CC-pt3di 5 лет назад
QUESTION: I need help please. What is the term when a slave, or someone, is speaking on behalf of the master or another person and then uses the first person language? Kind of like the scenario in Matt8/Luke7 of the centurion "speaking" to Jesus. I remember it vaguely in one of your podcasts but since you have "more than a few" it's like a needle in haystack.
@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 5 лет назад
Shaliah or agency
@TymP321
@TymP321 3 года назад
Was looking to see if you did a timeline on this. Crucifixion to Resurrection, taking in the High Days and Sabbath, as they couldn't attend the dead those days, etc. The Gospels say Mary was told He wasn't there at dawn on the first day of the week - Sunday. By definition he'd risen on the Sabbath, after the fulfillment of the sign of Jonah. I don't mind celebrating Easter Sunday as the day of discovery - the day the disciples (we all) learned of His resurrection.
@Mawuli_Tameklo
@Mawuli_Tameklo 2 года назад
Very interesting point. When you get what you're looking for, you'll end up Not celebrating Easter Sunday.
@cbtam4333
@cbtam4333 Год назад
To say Jesus had already been resurrected by dawn Sunday morning does not necessarily mean he was resurrected on the Sabbath. The Sabbath ended at sundown on the evening of the seventh day (Saturday) and the first day of the week then started (Saturday night). If Jesus had been resurrected anytime between sundown Saturday and Sunday morning at dawn, the resurrection would be considered as having happened on the 1st day of the week, not the seventh.
@niederrheiner8468
@niederrheiner8468 5 месяцев назад
Very good information! BUT: Resurrection is not the only reasonable explanation for the empty tomb. In fact it is very clear that the tomb MUST be empty simply because after the crucifiction they put Jesus in an arbitrary tomb near the crucifiction place. It was not their tomb. Of course they had to bury him in an other place after the weekend.
@rockstar696
@rockstar696 5 лет назад
@Mike Winger Are you going to do another video on Catholicism?
@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 5 лет назад
I believe I will. I have plans for videos on sola scriptura, the historical development of the papacy, the church fathers interpretations of the passage “on this rock I will build my church”. But all these are probably going to be delayed by other things before I come back to them.
@rockstar696
@rockstar696 5 лет назад
@@MikeWinger Thanks. I look forward to seeing it.
@junebug2782
@junebug2782 5 лет назад
Hey Mike, Id love it if you were to cover the subject of how to handle "sin in business." For example, A person owns a bed and breakfast. What would the Bible teach on an unmarried or gay couple to renting a room from you. This becomes much more of a problem when you own a business which is very personal like the one Ive described or like the wedding cake cases. I'm not talking about depriving people of electricity, food or shelter. Clearly this is a hugely hotly debated subject that has gone to the supreme court. I'd love however to hear what you think the Bible teaches us on this matter. One may say that Jesus ate with sinners, another might say we are called to be separate from the world and stand our ground. Clearly both are true and I'd love for you to give us a balanced teaching on how to "live separate but eat with sinners" Thanks!!
@davidbermudez7704
@davidbermudez7704 5 лет назад
There’s a difference between associating ourselves with unbelievers and participating in their sins. Biblical principle: Association but no Participation. As you pointed out Jesus sat down to eat and drink with alcoholics, tax collectors, prostitutes the worse sinners in His time and was judged by the Pharisees. Jesus will preach the Gospel to them to save some in the same way we as born again Christians can live near unbelievers and even invited them into their homes. God will give us an opportunity if possible tell them about Jesus Christ. Remember Jesus told us “Wise as serpents and innocent as doves” The thing is we as born again Christians should show God’s Love and represent Jesus Christ to this lost and dying world.
@rodneygardner7421
@rodneygardner7421 5 лет назад
Have you ever done message on the differences of why the Gospel accounts diff in the resurrection???
@jenniferwise8515
@jenniferwise8515 2 года назад
Examples please.
@rahbruhn-howard8129
@rahbruhn-howard8129 3 года назад
Jesus I believe, help me with my unbelief- thank you for Mike to help rationalise what I know to be true Amen
@LivingHopeFellowshipSturgis
@LivingHopeFellowshipSturgis 11 месяцев назад
@38:14, all 4 gospels mention Joseph of Arimathaea, yeah? Or are you conflating the witnesses of Matthew and Luke into Mark?
@lisajenkins2940
@lisajenkins2940 2 года назад
Mike I work with my bosses who think they are one with the Father. They love to discuss conciousness and frequencies combined with ancient stories of multiple Jesus's. How in the world do I discuss these things with them?
@Notevenone
@Notevenone 2 года назад
Have you heard of Melissa Dougherty and Alisa Childers channels? I think they will help you with your situation. 💟✝️💟
@metaphoricalparadox5138
@metaphoricalparadox5138 5 лет назад
18:48 I know what scholars think, I want to know *why* they think Paul received a document so early.
@Nameless-pt6oj
@Nameless-pt6oj 2 года назад
Look up an analysis of the creed. Don’t just go on one website, go on multiple.
@marka.3770
@marka.3770 5 лет назад
Pastor Mike, I love your videos, so thanks! I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but have you ever done a deep-dive into the wedding at Cana? If not, would you consider it? There are many conflicting interpretations and I would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
@jenniferwise8515
@jenniferwise8515 2 года назад
What exactly is in conflict? Please be specific.
@apostolicclips
@apostolicclips 4 месяца назад
Who does he name at 35:33?
@aletheiaquest
@aletheiaquest 2 года назад
At 100:10, brother Mike slipped and said "Noah" instead of "Jonah" being in the belly of the great fish...
@rachel39321
@rachel39321 9 месяцев назад
Pastor Mike, there is a need for a video on the historicity of Luke and acts like you mentioned. When I searched on RU-vid there was a bunch of results saying they are fake/historical fiction, please help us refute them!
@defenestratefalsehoods
@defenestratefalsehoods 3 месяца назад
it is fiction, you wouldn't be called a believer if there was so much evidence. Just look at the contradictions when you compare the bible to real history. Matthew 2, says Jesus was conceived during the reign of Herod and was a young child when mary and Joseph fled the country. Herod died in 4 BC. In Luke 2 after Quirinius became governor of Syria in 6 AD(actual history that can be proven) mary and Joseph went back for the census while she was pregnant. Jesus was born before 4BC and still in the womb for the census in 6 AD.
@n8orangejuice
@n8orangejuice 3 года назад
Pastor Winger, You certainly appear to be sincere. If that appearance is indeed true, then may I respectfully suggest that you refrain from using current events, e.g., 911, as supporting correlation for the arguments you've spent your time and energy studying. By using complex current events as examples, it's wise to know those events as thoroughly as the main content of your argument. A lack of thorough knowledge in one may be seen by some to suggest lack of knowledge in the other. The profundity of Jesus is simply too important to be dismissed due to the lack of knowledge of those sharing that profundity by use of incorrect examples. Thank you, though, for sharing your understanding of scripture. It's proved helpful. May God bless all truth and sincerity, and burn away falsity and deceit. Peace
@youngmarcio
@youngmarcio 5 лет назад
From a person who used to practice Buddhism, to having an encounter with the Holy Spirit. To praying in the Holy Spirit. "PLUS" Thousands of prophecies from the Holy Spirit in a micro level (current time, regular people), also the prophecies that have come to pass by big prophets like Bob Jones, John Paul Jackson, Kim klement, etc. I am happy to say I am a fat boy spoiled with evidence. My faith is my trust in God. Jesus rose from the dead, that's not faith, that is a FACT.
@truethinker221
@truethinker221 5 лет назад
We need to work to agree on a working definition of faith.
@reptarinator
@reptarinator 4 года назад
@@truethinker221 Faith: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof... So basically faith is believing in something because of the way you feel about it rather then actual proof. Id be embarrassed to have "faith".
@truethinker221
@truethinker221 4 года назад
@@reptarinator See that is what i was getting at. Not knowing the definition of a simple well used English word would be dismembering ?
@EvelynElaineSmith
@EvelynElaineSmith 8 месяцев назад
I suspect there's more to the tale of the empty tomb & the Lord's resurrection than what appears in the Gospel, which just gives a synopsis of the mystery surrounding a missing body. Joseph of Arimathea was most probably a relative of Jesus since non-relatives ordinarily didn't have permission to bury the bodies of crucified convicts. After all, a High Priest in the Temple, the father of John the Baptist (a cousin of Jesus), was related to Jesus, so He most likely had some politically important earthly connections via his maternal line.
@theronhayden4671
@theronhayden4671 2 года назад
THIS.WAS.FAB!
@watchgoose
@watchgoose 5 лет назад
I know by faith the tomb was empty plus the firsthand accounts in the Gospels. But would early Christians have preserved and venerated the tomb instead of only Christ? I doubt it. That's such a Roman Catholic thing to do.
@BigDaddyAddyMS
@BigDaddyAddyMS 5 лет назад
watchgoose they weren't first hand accounts though...
@jacques9515
@jacques9515 3 года назад
@@BigDaddyAddyMS why
@ashleyholbird4287
@ashleyholbird4287 2 года назад
"Bologna sauce"....well...I found my new favorite phrase xD
@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou
@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou 5 лет назад
What would be your response to the story of Jesus’s resurrection being fake because they wanted to be remembered for something?
@TimothyBukowskiApologist
@TimothyBukowskiApologist 5 лет назад
That doesn't seem to be a very good hypothesis. If the disciples wanted to be famous in the 1st century, inventing a physical resurrection story surrounding a crucified carpenter is not the way to do it. I don't see any reason why the disciples, who were utterly ashamed of Jesus after his *very shameful* crucifixion would start such a shameful social movement based on the resurrection, an idea that most Gentiles found repulsive. The same can be said for Paul even more strongly, as a skeptic.
@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou
@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou 5 лет назад
The SDG Apologetics that’s a really good response. You are completely correct. Another question(you don’t have to answer obviously): A skeptic told me recently that the criteria for embarrassment wasn’t a real thing because it’s only used by biblical scholars so it must’ve been made by them. Personally, I think good reasoning is good reasoning so it doesn’t matter who made it or uses it. What would your response be?
@xxsageonexx8910
@xxsageonexx8910 5 лет назад
BeetsBySchrute Does the resurrection offer anything to those who believe?
@Rosie-uf5ox
@Rosie-uf5ox 2 года назад
It would be odd for them to hold to this story in the face of persecution, torture, and martyrdom. “Wanting to be remembered for something” probably wouldn’t have been a strong enough motivator for every single one of them to hold on to their story until the end rather than cracking under the pressure of self-preservation and admitting they’d made it up.
@LivingHopeFellowshipSturgis
@LivingHopeFellowshipSturgis 11 месяцев назад
Last comment! @50:45 Love the quote from War of the Jews (4.5.2 in my version)
@rockandroll3671
@rockandroll3671 5 лет назад
English auto captions broken again? 😉🖖
@PM-4564
@PM-4564 5 лет назад
3:30 Why would Mathew's gospel quote Mark, if Mark was a 2nd hand witness and Mathew was a 1st hand witness?
@thatonechristian2487
@thatonechristian2487 3 года назад
A lot of historians say that Mark was the first Gospel written and that’s the main source for the other 3. Now, I’m not convinced because I think Matthew wrote Matthew but that might be what he’s referring to.
@thetrawlers9624
@thetrawlers9624 5 лет назад
Please do a verse by verse bible study on 1 Corinthians 15
@michaelflores9220
@michaelflores9220 5 лет назад
Ah, the chapter where it has yet another inconsistent account of hte resurrection.
@thatonechristian2487
@thatonechristian2487 4 года назад
1 Corinthians isn’t about the Resurrection, it’s a letter Paul wrote to the Corinthians concerning doctrine. The Resurrection wasn’t his main focus in the letter, hence the “inconsistency.”
@brianaavendano5885
@brianaavendano5885 5 лет назад
hey mike! is there any way you can do a comprehensive review of how women are presented in the bible. I am currently taking a class on the history of baptist thought and the way my professor presented women is almost demeaning. I know God doesn't intend to degrade women, and there are stories of successful respectful women in the bible, but the passages my professor presented paint women in a way that makes God seem like he values women less. Women seem to be inferior which is accurate but also inaccurate? I know God created us all equal and specifically states man and women (Galatians 3:27-29) but I also know there are passages (1 Timothy 3:1-13) where it feels like women are inferior. I fully trust the validity of the bible, but i'm finding it hard to grasp how these two seemingly different passages are both true and i know its because i have a misinterpretation of one or both. I know that Galatians is more "in general" and Timothy is more in regards to ministry, but even then im not sure if i just dont like the "answer" the bible states or if im simply misreading the "answer". Even when women are painted in this video its not necessarily in a good light, it was sorta jokingly how women are light headed which makes me question if thats the way God designed and views women since i dont know any passages where he defends women from this viewpoint thats common in the context of this time, so does He agree? I am not in any way a feminist, but its saddening to think that God created me and treats me inferiorly not equally. I mean, if everytime the words male and female were switched in the bible how would you personally view yourself? I think the sermons ive heard tend to neglect how damaging these words can actually be with you view of yourself and your view of God. I really trust the way you interpret scripture, and id love to hear your take on this viewpoint. Thank you!!
@kelseynicole9661
@kelseynicole9661 2 года назад
I understand this completely. The main thing to understand is the context that Timothy was written in. The women were actually taking over the church too much and participating in sexual immorality and that was why he said that to this specific church. Also men were made to be the leaders or heads of the household but that doesn’t make them of more value, it’s just a different role than women. Just like Jesus is God and God is God. They play different roles in the holy trinity but they are all God, just as men and women are all loved, equal and made in God’s image to compliment one another.
@davidpatton4746
@davidpatton4746 3 года назад
Dear God help me believe
@danglingondivineladders3994
@danglingondivineladders3994 3 года назад
hey guy how is that going for you?
@jenniferwise8515
@jenniferwise8515 2 года назад
Read the book or watch the movie, A CASE FOR CHRIST. By Lee Strobel, who was an atheist researching why the life of Christ and The Resurrection was false.
@Notevenone
@Notevenone 2 года назад
Hey Jennifer have you heard of J Warner Wallace? He’s another person like Lee was. His book Person of Interest: Why Jesus Sill Matters in a World that Rejects the Bible, its pretty remarkable.
@speedlearner
@speedlearner 5 лет назад
Who was Cephas and why did Jesus appear to him before he appeared to the disciples?
@jmallet865
@jmallet865 5 лет назад
Peter
@michaelflores9220
@michaelflores9220 5 лет назад
One of the gospels said Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdelene, not Peter. Oops!
@jmallet865
@jmallet865 5 лет назад
@@michaelflores9220 There are a lot of Oops in the gospels ( in the whole bible to more precise).
@charlesburks2175
@charlesburks2175 4 года назад
@@michaelflores9220 Not an oops or contradiction at all. He appeared to both. Paul mentions Peter, but not by saying Peter was the first. Details people...
@Mike00513
@Mike00513 3 года назад
Cephas is apostle Peter.
@jackcurtis4906
@jackcurtis4906 2 года назад
What I've read concerning the different writing styles & emphasis of the Gospels: Mark was written to a largely Roman audience; Matthew to the Jews; Luke to the Greek, John to the Church...
@defenestratefalsehoods
@defenestratefalsehoods 2 года назад
And they all have different accounts on who went and what the women saw at the tomb. No one knows where the tomb or the garden is located to show it is empty.
@michaelhenry1763
@michaelhenry1763 Год назад
All the gospels were written in Greek. All we can tell about the audiences is they were living outside of Judea, did not speak Aramaic, and lived decades after Jesus’ death.
@princessc660
@princessc660 Год назад
@@defenestratefalsehoods mike winger has made videos clearing up that his video is bible contradictions
@defenestratefalsehoods
@defenestratefalsehoods Год назад
@@princessc660 i saw them, still not evidence and all speculation and special pleading. the entire story of jesus resurrection goes against what was normal back then. They never did it before a holiday and always left the person on the cross more then a few hours.
@defenestratefalsehoods
@defenestratefalsehoods Год назад
@@princessc660 if you read the account why is it that only 1 account have Jesus at the tomb? This would be a contradiction to the other accounts. Was the rock already moved or did the women see it move? only 1 account said the women saw it move. This is another contradiction. some details would not have been left out of the other stories.
@Delgen1951
@Delgen1951 5 лет назад
Mike you might remember we're a couple of months ago were I posted that in the late twentieth century a heel bone of a crucified man was found in a tome at Jerusalem, well to add too that in the years of 2008 and 2012 two more finds were dug up, were a nother heel bone and a hand had nails embedded in then and were beared in bone boxes. Go to Curiositystream and look up the bible's videos and you will see the finds in a video on crucification.
@truethinker221
@truethinker221 5 лет назад
Are you saying this is proof that Jesus was crucified ?
@crypt1d550
@crypt1d550 3 года назад
Other people were crucified as well, not just jesus. Jesus rose on the 3rd day leaving nothing behind, probably the remains of someone else
@nathanburgett1599
@nathanburgett1599 5 лет назад
A.J. I got a couple sick rhymes for y'all. Lol😳 I used to throw down on reformed theology Till that holy spirit got a hold on me. Now i see the love and tha point of the cross. He wasn't Pickin chosen cause our God is tha boss. He don't respect tha person His forgiveness is for all. He died and made a way for every sinner ta be saved. With his own blood the way that he paved. Now i know they go to hell for rejectin that free gift. Can't tell that to ma brothers Without'em gettin mifted. No one's left out cause atonement wasn't made, He took the keys of hell, they couldn't stand up ta the raid. ❤🔥
@nathanburgett1599
@nathanburgett1599 5 лет назад
Have you heard of my God, my God is the boss, frowning on sin, cuz he's grieved at the cost. Watching haters hate, and all them Killers kill, grieved in his heart, by the blood that we spill. Put us all under law, so that we see our need, that we turn our own way, and his word we don't heed. Then he made a way, spilling blood at the cross, Jesus Is Our Savior, our God is the boss. Jesus made atonement, for that sin that we do, making known his love, for me and for you. So that anyone who humbles, himself in faith, he promises that death, never will we taste. He made a new way, and it's all about his love, He sent Jesus Christ, down from above. Those who believe, won't be put to shame, consider these truths, your life ain't a game. ❤🔥
@nathanburgett1599
@nathanburgett1599 5 лет назад
God doesn't lie He only tell the truth. He sent his son to die And that be the proof. When I'm lifted up I draw all men to me. His willing humble death Shows off Gods glory. So if your feeling down In bondage to sin Just call upon the Lord The only way ta win. You might feel like he's afar Nothin farther from the truth He sent his son to die Dat be the proof........😊❤🔥🔥🔥
@nathanburgett1599
@nathanburgett1599 5 лет назад
@Mike Winger 😏❤
@truethinker221
@truethinker221 5 лет назад
@@nathanburgett1599 Ha’ Adam. from TT@ 2/4/19 God was playing jaxs alone. Bouncing planets in hand Throwing stars to galaxies land. Divided Himself three of one Father Spirit Holy Son. With spirit and He trough his Son create a special star called Sun. From the third planet from fire a land with skill of balance using hands and thumbs. Creates a land for man to run. blows his breath of life in lung The man is now a spirit soul son. Set him in Earth's paradise land. Alone when out of his side becomes the woman a wife a helping hand. One be two then three and more to make more friends he put him where’ he and his other half helper could Children bare. The two were met with challenge fair eat not fruit from the tree in the center there. They ate which caused them to run And hide nakedness from the voice as God cries what have you done Adam my first-born son. Now to earth you’ll be as one of the creatures on the run. Working under the hot sun Until your life and limbs back to dust and ash become. Show less
@ReformedMunk
@ReformedMunk 3 года назад
I gets lyrical wit tha biblicals, while typical liberals stay hypocritical. I’m spiritual Cause of Jesus Christ the source there’s only one Lord not many lords I stay runnin tha course along wit brethren of all sorts for sure
@stoneballer
@stoneballer 2 года назад
The urantia book take on tomb being empty, yes the tomb was found empty, they give a detailed explanation of how it exactly happened. So it looks like mike is right, he worked a lot harder for his answer mind you. I love mikes efforts. It appears once u study the bible hard like mike in depth, you get closer to the urantia book truths. Like not all sin is exactly the same, the urantia book teaches that in depth, and mike though intense study has also come to the same findings. interesting. If you're going to read the bible study hard like mike, its your only chance.
@dlkr7769
@dlkr7769 2 года назад
The urantia book is nonsensical. It in no way compares to the inspired Word of God.
@fabriziocamisani5477
@fabriziocamisani5477 Месяц назад
We definitely don't share the same notion of evidence and proof, I guess we would if the topic was different.
@danielgrant6393
@danielgrant6393 5 лет назад
Mike, can I use some of your material to instruct my youth group about evidence and about how we know about the resurrection???
@YuZewolf
@YuZewolf 5 лет назад
Daniel Grant don’t trust he’s evidence... there just bad, and wrongly articulated, so please don’t confuse young people with things you don’t understand.
@danielgrant6393
@danielgrant6393 5 лет назад
I think his presentation is fantastic, incredibly well articulated and accurate! I understand these things VERY well!! I didn’t use it only because it was too long for the time that I had for Sunday teaching...
@joinjen3854
@joinjen3854 4 года назад
Mike has said he makes the videos for discipleship so share away!
@vb1594
@vb1594 2 года назад
Hello Pasto Mike. Hope you are able to see my message and question I have, ever since I found your channel I'm like a kid in a candy store going through your videos and always finding another amazing one like this one. My question goes into the section of around the 14 minute mark of this video where you are reading 1 Corinthians 15:3-6 where you mention there's an early source tracing back to Jerusalem that can put that section back to about 5 years of the Resurrection. Do you know what that early source was?
@michaelhenry1763
@michaelhenry1763 Год назад
I think what you are showing is different authors had different views of women. For example, Jesus and Paul seemed to be more egalitarian, however, the authors of the pastoral epistles tended to be much more patriarchal or anti-women.
@melonmypeachberry
@melonmypeachberry 2 года назад
Re shroud of turin : John 20:6-7 KJV Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
@MrAgonizomai
@MrAgonizomai Год назад
In that case there should be a separate piece of cloth with the image of the face on it, and there should be no face on the shroud. Whereas the shroud shows (or appears, or is claimed to show) a complete body including the head. Much as I would like there to be a genuine shroud of Jesus, the lack of a traceable provenance for the shroud of Turin and its not fitting with the historical record suggests to me that it is unreliable as a historical artefact. There are claims for the "Veronica" face cloth, but to my knowledge, these centre around the cloth having been given to Jesus on the Via Dolorosa to wipe his face during his walk to the place of crucifixion. It is not claimed to be "the napkin, that was about his head." Again, I find this to be fantastical, and not likely to comport with reality. My take on both of these is that they are the product of mediaeval piety and the fascination with relics that consumed the mediaeval church to the detriment of genuine Christianity. There were, for example, so many claimed "fragments of the True Cross" that the original artefact would have been impossibly oversized. Whatever techniques were used to create the images, the preponderance of probability is that they were of mediaeval manufacture, and are unlikely to be authentic.
@acenog123
@acenog123 5 лет назад
The swoon theory is ridiculous. Even if the Romans would've let Jesus swoon (which they wouldn't, they were killers to the core and would break people's legs on the cross to make them die faster), are you seriously telling me that Jesus, who had bits of skin hanging off, who was drenched in his own blood, went to the disciples and inspired and told them that he rose from the dead?
@thatonechristian2487
@thatonechristian2487 3 года назад
I don’t think they would’ve been convinced that He was in a glorified body if that’s what He looked like. Not to mention the fact that it’s impossible for Him to have survived Roman crucifixion. But yeah, Swoon Theory is dumb.
@Rosie-uf5ox
@Rosie-uf5ox 2 года назад
If he wasn’t dead on the cross, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have still been alive after a couple days in the tomb bleeding out with no food or water.
@Mrs_Canary
@Mrs_Canary 2 года назад
Here in 2022!
@martistlouis
@martistlouis 2 года назад
LORD LORD LORD HALLELUJAH ! There's too many bullies here now to sustain life - they've destroyed our beautiful Earth you gave us ! Make them stop
@bella-bee
@bella-bee 5 лет назад
Matt 7.23. I’ve never understood how the people not known to Jesus could do miracles in his name? Were they using satanic power?. That’s the only other power source! If not, presumably they thought they were working in Jesus” Name and will get a nasty surprise when He returns. That’s worrying!
@Mawuli_Tameklo
@Mawuli_Tameklo 2 года назад
The people of Matthew 7:23 are true believers in Jesus. They received the gift of the holy spirit, and can do everything Jesus described in verse 22. But their actions are bad. They may be avaricious, covetous, wicked towards individuals, liars, haters ...etc... This is why the gospel of "faith alone" is misleading. Behavioral work has to accompany faith. The "will of the Father in heaven" is that we humans behave in ways God wants when we believe in Jesus.
@the_guitarcade
@the_guitarcade 2 года назад
37:15 Most cultures have tales of dragons. A creature that stands on four legs, with its body held up off the ground, with scales, with a proportionally large head, with horns on its head could very easily be a ceratopsian "dragon." For someone who has never seen one, a description may very well lead them to believe its a scaled cow. If they were dangerous, lived near water, and perhaps omnivorous, I see no reason a legend couldn't develop that they were cows that ate too much fish and grew scales, or that that couldn't be an extension of his misunderstanding of a description of a creature he hadn't personally seen. I don't care one way or the other if Apollonius was making the scaled cows up wholesale, or if they were based on a misunderstanding of a real creature. I'm just pointing out how quick each generation is to try to throw its predecessors to the wayside; to puff up its chest and call the older generations fools. That they were fools may be correct in this case, but even if it is here, that doesn't mean it always is.
@Leafbeet
@Leafbeet 2 года назад
Dragons are biblically sound, a creature that God did create. We do not believe they existed today but we are ignorant about many other things as well. Here is a slew of verses speaking of them plainly. Why would Holy Scriptures speak of imagined animals, especially alongside normal animals? Notice how in these verses dragons and fiery serpents are just part of the historical description of events. In these verses too it is shown how dragons often time lived in desolate, forsaken, and down trodden places, that men would not inhabit. Tales of dragonslayers are likely true to some extent, as an explanation to what happened to them all. “And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭9:11‬ “Their wine is the poison of dragons, And the cruel venom of asps.” ‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭32:33‬ “I am a brother to dragons, And a companion to owls.” ‭‭Job‬ ‭30:29‬ “Praise the LORD from the earth, Ye dragons, and all deeps:” ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭148:7‬ “Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, And covered us with the shadow of death.” ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭44:19‬ “and I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.” ‭‭Malachi‬ ‭1:3‬ “And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭34:13‬ “And I went out by night by the gate of the valley, even before the dragon well, and to the dung port, and viewed the walls of Jerusalem, which were broken down, and the gates thereof were consumed with fire.” ‭‭Nehemiah‬ ‭2:13‬ “In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭27:1‬ “Out of his mouth go burning lamps, And sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, As out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, And a flame goeth out of his mouth.” ‭‭Job‬ ‭41:19-21‬ (speaking of leviathan) “And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.” ‭‭Numbers‬ ‭21:6‬ “who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;” ‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭8:15‬ “The burden of the beasts of the south: into the land of trouble and anguish, from whence come the young and old lion, the viper and fiery flying serpent, they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, to a people that shall not profit them.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭30:6‬
@Gatorbeaux
@Gatorbeaux 5 лет назад
If you lose to Dillahunty, you need to hang it up! hahaha You will crush that dude--
@BigDaddyAddyMS
@BigDaddyAddyMS 5 лет назад
Bad Gator right.......
@thatonechristian2487
@thatonechristian2487 4 года назад
At least Mike tried to support his position. All Dillahunty did was complain about “him not providing evidence”. Dillahunty didn’t even try to defend his position.
@judonor
@judonor 5 лет назад
With reference to the Turin shroud..I heard someone say that it cannot be true as Jesus would have been wrapped in strips of cloth not a complete piece of material. Your thoughts?
@20july1944
@20july1944 5 лет назад
I strongly believe in the Shroud BUT I see a different problem with it: the Shroud was apparently laid flat, then Jesus's body placed on it, then the other half was folded over Him from His feet. That's a strange way to wrap a body, but perhaps God guided them in doing that so that the miraculous image would be formed.
@judonor
@judonor 5 лет назад
The shroud may be of a real person but I doubt it was from Jesus' body.
@20july1944
@20july1944 5 лет назад
@@judonor The best reason to think it was Jesus's (besides the forensic evidence of the wounds) is that any other human wrapped in such linen would rot down to bones and the linen with it. 1. A man was wrapped in this linen, albeit in an odd way. 2. He was not allowed to rot -- his body was unwrapped before soft-tissue decay could advance very far. 3. Some weird energy event put the delicate darkening pattern on the cloth. That sounds like the one Guy who didn't decay in His burial cloth and had a unique and miraculous restoration to biological life.
@judonor
@judonor 5 лет назад
But thereis no proof the linen is 2000 yrs old. Some religions look for things to venerate and this seems to be one such. I don't think God would allow that. Also, read John 20 v 5-7. The head cloths were seperate from those around the body. I believe God's word over man's wishful thinking.
@20july1944
@20july1944 5 лет назад
@@judonorYou're not familiar with the issues or evidence. Yes, there *is* evidence the linen is 2000 years old because there is a lot of pollen that is unique to 1st-century Palestine. The carbon dating to 1300 AD took a corner that had been repaired by nuns later, so the combined cloth had a later (net) carbon dating. A PhD Ray Rogers who was an atheist confirmed that for himself. Search on "Shroud carbon date Ray rogers" The "head cloth" mentioned in John 20 also exists, it is called the Soudarium of Oviedo and it is in a church in Oviedo, Spain. The blood stains match the shroud's so the two separate clothes support each other's authenticity. The Soudarium has an unbroken history back to the 4th century.
@joshuacoppersmith
@joshuacoppersmith 5 лет назад
One moment, I Cor 15:1 talks about what "you" (Corinthians from Paul) received, then I Cor 15:3 talks about what "I" (Paul) received. But the content of Paul's gospel DID NOT COME FROM MAN. Few statements in history have ever been clearer than Galatians 1:11: "For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not man's gospel. For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ." So Paul would not be teaching something from man. Period. I Cor was likely written after Gal but only shortly thereafter, and Paul himself already mentions a delay of 3+14=17 years in Gal. So Paul in I Cor is writing 17 years later (at least) about a gospel revealed to him by Christ Himself soon after the resurrection, saying explicitly in Gal that he does not teach the gospel of man. Galatians is highly regarded as an epistle truly from Paul even in the most liberal circles, as is I Cor, so your line of argument on the early date of I Cor 15 would make Paul a liar other than that what Paul has heard confirmed what he already knew...but historically the value of Paul's writing (if we believe him, and if we don't why mention him) is regarding his faith. He declares himself to NOT be historical...that's his point, in fact. Perhaps at that time there were so many would-be Messiah's and folk histories Paul wanted people to know Jesus Christ wasn't just one of them. In any case, your argument is really counter-Pauline.
@kenmccracken5437
@kenmccracken5437 5 лет назад
Joshua Coppersmith. This is an argument frequently made by Richard Carrier but it's really a misunderstanding. For convenience this is answered in this critique of Carrier's thesis. You'll find it about a third of the way down this article. scienceandotherdrugs.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/why-jesus-never-existed-a-richard-carrier-lecture-review/
@joshuacoppersmith
@joshuacoppersmith 5 лет назад
I'm referring to arguing historicity from the document whose authority comes from revelation and whose author must be relying on revelation as confirmation of any historical information. I'm not making a Paul as Gnostic argument here. Not at all.
@kenmccracken5437
@kenmccracken5437 5 лет назад
@@joshuacoppersmith I may not be understanding your argument right. Paul was a persecuter of the Christians as a zealot for the traditions of the Fathers as he puts it. So Paul must have known what it was that the Christians were preaching. That Christ died for our sins, was crucified, buried and rose from the dead and then appeared to various people at various places and times. My point is that it was the Damascus road appearance of Christ to Paul that supernaturally convinced Paul that he was wrong and the Christians and their gospel was right. In that sense it was not received from man by Paul. Paul mentions the resurrection appearances of Jesus to Peter, James, the apostles and a group of over 500 at one time. He also mentions their divisions in Corinth such as being followers of Paul, Apollos, Peter and Jesus. In Acts we see that Peter traveled to various places and churches and the Corinthians claiming to be of Peter suggests he had been in Corinth also, just as Apollos had been, even though the church was founded by Paul. So obviously the Corinthians knew what it was that Peter preached and that this included his testimony to the resurrected Jesus. In Galatians Paul is responding to Judaizers who were undermining the gospel. For this reason and not because he thinks he is preaching a false gospel, he goes up to Jerusalem to meet Peter, John and James in order to have it publicly demonstrated that he preaches the same as gospel as these apostles do, which is not that of the Judaizers. So I don't see how there is a problem with the historicity of Paul's claims here. Historicity and the testimony of the witnesses is what he is appealing to.
@arhylle
@arhylle 3 года назад
32:46 The ghosts of women past express their indignation. Lol.
@floridaLise
@floridaLise 5 лет назад
I am currently studying the Omega Point Theory. Can you offer any comments about that?
@michaelevans1499
@michaelevans1499 2 года назад
🙂
@isaiah5343
@isaiah5343 2 года назад
Death is a confirmation of the believer's creed...For the skeptic it is discovery, immense and late!
@arthurfields9575
@arthurfields9575 3 года назад
I agree that people who work with Pigeons are suspect. Also pigeons are just flying rats.
@awhite55grands
@awhite55grands 2 месяца назад
“Baloney sauce” 🤣
@demio22
@demio22 4 месяца назад
Why he physically rose from the dead for the first time [by the way: you are no longer yourself, even after just minor brain injuries, not to mention the lack of metabolic supply for several days, so 'his self' must have been stored elsewehre, or he was a higher dimensional being and beings all the time (as claimed)], only to go over to a higher or diffrent dimensional continuum 40 days later? In addition, the Gospels provide detailed accounts of the time between baptism and final physical death. Why is there no equally detailed information about what Jesus did at the time between the claimed resurrection and ascension? People can, especially those grew up in sourroundings with some kind of magical- rather than rational thinking structures were absolutly common, can make up or beeing convinced by stuff for no evidently reasonable reasons. So the MAIN argument, it would just not be 'reasonable' to make up stuff in this or that way, is absolutely invalid regarding that case.
@lt5456
@lt5456 2 года назад
Mike, please can you make shorter videos from this one. PLEASE
@michaelhenry1763
@michaelhenry1763 Год назад
The multiple attestation test for the empty tomb fails because Matthew and Luke are dependent on Mark and John is aware of Mark. None of the gospels are independent of each other. The idea that there is independent material within each gospel is strictly speculative. Matthew and Luke read Mark and embellished or “improved” on his account. In other places of their gospels, they copy Mark verbatim. The empty tomb is a polemic to explain the references Jesus visions and Jesus being buried in Paul’s letters (written between 49 CE and 62 CE) and marrying that to Hebrew Bible verses referencing “being buried among the rich…”. The author of Mark was the first to write about the empty tomb. The other gospel writers take Mark’s account and add to it, change it or embellish it. (Mark 16:1-8) Written in 70 CE When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. 2 And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb. 3 They had been saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance to the tomb?” 4 When they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had already been rolled back. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. 6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed; you are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been raised; he is not here. Look, there is the place they laid him. 7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him, just as he told you.” 8 So they went out and fled from the tomb, for terror and amazement had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid. (Matthew 24:1-10) Written between 80 and 85 CE After the Sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. 2 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord, descending from heaven, came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning and his clothing white as snow. 4 For fear of him the guards shook and became like dead men. 5 But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here, for he has been raised, as he said. Come, see the place where he[a] lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples, ‘He has been raised from the dead,[b] and indeed he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him.’ This is my message for you.” 8 So they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to tell his disciples. 9 Suddenly Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came to him, took hold of his feet, and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers and sisters to go to Galilee; there they will see me.” (Luke 24:1-12) Written between 95 and 120 CE But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they went in they did not find the body.[a] 4 While they were perplexed about this, suddenly two men in dazzling clothes stood beside them. 5 The women[b] were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, but the men[c] said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here but has risen.[d] 6 Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, 7 that the Son of Man must be handed over to the hands of sinners and be crucified and on the third day rise again.” 8 Then they remembered his words, 9 and returning from the tomb they told all this to the eleven and to all the rest. 10 Now it was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But these words seemed to them an idle tale, and they did not believe them. 12 But Peter got up and ran to the tomb; stooping and looking in, he saw the linen cloths by themselves; then he went home, amazed at what had happened (John 20: 1-18) Written between 90 and either 110 CE or 120 CE Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb. 2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.” 3 Then Peter and the other disciple set out and went toward the tomb. 4 The two were running together, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent down to look in and saw the linen wrappings lying there, but he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen wrappings lying there, 7 and the cloth that had been on Jesus’s head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed, 9 for as yet they did not understand the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. 10 Then the disciples returned to their homes. 11 But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb. As she wept, she bent over to look[a] into the tomb, 12 and she saw two angels in white sitting where the body of Jesus had been lying, one at the head and the other at the feet. 13 They said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them, “They have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid him.” 14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him, “Sir,[b] if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to him in Hebrew,[c] “Rabbouni!” (which means Teacher). 17 Jesus said to her, “Do not touch me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ” 18 Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and she told them that he had said these things to her.
@muskyoxes
@muskyoxes 4 месяца назад
The video made this very clear. Matthew and Luke copy Mark in many places, and it's always very obvious. The death and resurrection are not among those places. Each one has its own take. Just take a look at the contradiction lists compiled by skeptics to show they're all independent. If they collude, they don't contradict
@michaelhenry1763
@michaelhenry1763 4 месяца назад
@@muskyoxes It’s great we can agree on Markan priority and agree on Matthew and Luke copying from Mark. The death and resurrection is a prime example of the synoptic problem. In my post I listed the death and resurrection passages from each gospel in compositional order. You can see how each gospel writers takes Mark’s pericope and changes it and expands it. Because Mark’s gospel ends at 16:8, Matthew, Luke, and John take liberties with the resurrection and the post-resurrection stories. If you read the passages in compositional order and compare, you will see the many contradictions between the gospel accounts. One example: Mark says Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome saw one young man inside the tomb. Matthew says Mary Magdalene and the other Mary ( “ the mother of James” identifier and Salome are dropped from the story) experienced an earthquake, saw Roman guards running away and saw an angel coming down from heaven rolling the stone away. The earthquake, the guards, and the angel are added developments to the story. Luke says Mary Magdalene, Joanna ( replaces Salome from Mark), and Mary the mother of James found the stone rolled away, but saw two men in dazzling clothes. John only has Mary Magdalene going to the tomb. In John’s account Mary immediately runs to get Peter and the beloved disciple. However, Mary does not see an angel or an earthquake, or Roman guards. She does see Jesus. As you see there are plenty of contradictions in the four accounts.
@muskyoxes
@muskyoxes 4 месяца назад
@@michaelhenry1763 Yeah, i mentioned the existence of contradictions and how they demonstrate independence because collusion doesn't contradict
@michaelhenry1763
@michaelhenry1763 4 месяца назад
@@muskyoxes Thank you for clarifying and I see I completely missed your point in my previous post. So, contradictions demonstrate independence “ because collusion doesn’t contradict.” This is a fascinating line of argument. Can contradictions demonstrate independence? Yes, of course they can. But the question is, does contradictions in the gospels demonstrate independence of the authors? The answer clearly is no. As you mentioned in your other post, Matthew and Luke copied from Mark. This makes Matthew and Luke dependent on Mark. Dependence is completely opposite to independence. The next question, why then all the contradictions? The answer is Matthew and Luke were unsatisfied with many parts of Mark. The portions they liked they either copied verbatim or paraphrased. The portions they didn’t they added and expanded through their own theological leanings. Of course, they also added their own material that Mark never addressed. “ Collusion doesn’t contradict “. Collusion is when two or more opposing parties meet to decide collective action secretly and most often deceptively. A common example of collusion is when oil companies raise gas prices together. The gospel writers did not collude because they were writing at different times for different purposes. They did not know each other. Mark , for example, was written around 70 CE. Matthew, between 80 and 85 CE, Luke could have been written at anytime between 90 and 120 CE. John was written between 90 and 110 CE. Did the gospel writers copy each other’s work? Yes. Was it collusion? No.
@muskyoxes
@muskyoxes 4 месяца назад
@@michaelhenry1763 "Matthew and Luke were unsatisfied with many parts of Mark" - why is that? It's because they had their own stuff. That stuff is independent. It's not a "theological leaning" to have a ton of your own stuff. When Matthew and Luke use Mark, it's nearly verbatim in whole paragraphs. Nothing of the sort is seen in the death and resurrection
@Paulogia
@Paulogia 5 лет назад
I think you may be misunderstanding my general objection / counter-proposal... I've never much cared about the bodies hanging overnight. Occasional exceptions for Jews are documented, so wouldn't have been a surprise to me. Rather I focus on the fact that the usual practice is to put crucifixion victims into mass graves. If Jesus had been put into a mass grave, that explains why no opponents to Christianity could produce a body. I wasn't arguing that the general case disproves exceptions, only that the general case carries full explanatory power so exceptional cases are not needed. Occam's razor, and all that. (THAT SAID... the passage about pre-sunset-removal you quote is problematic in that it is description conditions of war-time around 70AD so may or may not apply to Jesus' time, and it doesn't seem to apply to those who commit treason or crimes against the state -- as Jesus would have been.)
@jimamberg9467
@jimamberg9467 5 лет назад
Isn't the mass grave thing answered by the exact same response Mike gave? How are you not taking a general scenario and ignoring the historical evidence for the specific occurrence? What do you do with the evidence Mike presents from first century documents that point to the empty tomb? Who was the first person to propose the idea that Jesus was buried in a mass tomb? I did a quick search and don't see any claims of this within what historians consider "living memory" but like I said, this was just a quick search on my part and I am open to hearing an early source. Why should we support your theory with less evidence vs one that has early evidence from multiple sources? Wouldn't you agree that the better evidenced claim would be the most likely answer? Your use of Occam's razor is flawed when applied to history in this way. As a parallel example: History says that President Lincoln was assassinated in Ford's theater but since presidents are rarely assassinated and even more unlikely are they in theaters; we should conclude that Lincoln likely died in his old age, at home. I have to ignore the eye witnesses and historical accounts for my "old Lincoln" theory to have "full explanatory power" but how is this method different than what you propose? Your final note about Josephus being during war time and so not applicable feels a little stretched as well. Do you not agree that tensions were high between Rome and Judea around 30AD? Also the general historical accounts seem to be that Rome respected the religious rights (for the most part) of first century Jews as they tended to respect "ancient gods" and hated new religions. You said you didn't have much of a problem with the bodies coming down but once again, why even advance a less evidenced claim?
@robfl100
@robfl100 5 лет назад
@@jimamberg9467 there's a big difference between someone being assassinated, and someone rising from the dead
@jimamberg9467
@jimamberg9467 5 лет назад
@@robfl100 I hear what you're saying but my comment is about a mass grave vs a private tomb. Thoughts on that?
@Paulogia
@Paulogia 5 лет назад
@@jimamberg9467 You're missing the point in the same way... the historical evidence presented doesn't need to be explained by the legend... the evidence presented IS the legend. Jesus' body lost in a mass grave explains the actual evidence AS WELL as the resurrection, but with far fewer extra steps. It doesn't refute resurrection, but is a fully plausible alternative. For Lincoln, his body was put on a train and toured the country for three weeks before his funeral and photographed and reported on by hundreds of papers, someone else took over as president, etc. None of that proves he didn't fake his death, but it's at least outside corroboration. Mike gave no outside corroboration evidence, just different internal critiques on the inside claim.
@jimamberg9467
@jimamberg9467 5 лет назад
@@Paulogia Unfortunately, I think I understand you very well. You're dismissing evidence by just renaming it as legend with no evidence to support your stance. You have to dream up a lot of strange motives and coincidental timing to support your position but let me try to jump back into your shoes. Lincoln going on tour for three weeks you say? Well that's the same as the appearance to 500 witnesses and you don't believe in that. Newspapers all have editors so we're getting 3rd or fourth hand stories at best. None of the reporters were actual eye witnesses to his death and they all had deadlines to meet. Not to mention they are motivated to create sensational stories in order to sell papers. Surely you see how unproductive it is to use your method of renaming things we don't agree with. The point is you can't just dismiss evidence as simply as just calling it legendary embellishment with 0 evidence to support that claim. Mike gives 12 pieces of evidence and you think just saying "didn't happen" is a valid response? Also EVEN if Jesus was put in a mass grave it doesn't explain the resurrection at all. You've openly admitted in the past that at least a handful of people went to their graves claiming to have seen Jesus alive again. Trying to claim it is an "internal critique on the inside claim" is an oversimplification as well. Paul was a hostile "insider", the resurrection and the belief Jesus rose started in Jerusalem...amidst a group very hostile to Jesus. Also I find it a little silly that you would think that someone would witness a man rise from the dead and then remain neutral on the topic. A better question for you to examine is Why did they become "insiders"? I don't want to argue by counting the noses of scholars but go to your local university and ASK their history department which method they use, early documents or generalities presented thousands of years later as their main source of information.
@defenestratefalsehoods
@defenestratefalsehoods 3 месяца назад
according to the scriptures, Jesus died for the sins of Israel. Acts 5:31 It is he whom God has exalted at his right hand as Ruler and Savior, so as to offer repentance and the remission of sins to Israel
@aletheiaquest
@aletheiaquest 2 года назад
At 107:32, Torah is not Jewish. The 12 tribes of Israel were not Jewish. What is referred to as the "Old Testament" is not Judaism that was eventually changed/transformed into Christianity. Christianity did not grow out of Judaism. Christ did not come to essentially say, "OK, Judaism is no longer what the people of God are going to live by. I'm changing it to 'The Way' or what will eventually be referred to as 'Christianity'." Judaism was never at any point in history the way God intended for His followers to live.
@michaelhenry1763
@michaelhenry1763 Год назад
What? Judaism exists and existed in the first century and earlier. The Torah is Jewish, it is Hebrew for "instruction". The 12 tribes were Jewish. I agree the "Old Testament" is a Christian concept based on replacement theology. Christians reordered the Hebrew Bible. Christianity did grow out of Judaism. It was a competing sect with proto-rabbinic Judaism after 70 CE.
@midimusicforever
@midimusicforever 22 дня назад
Empty tomb, because Jesus rose from the dead!
@cypherpunk12
@cypherpunk12 Год назад
Look at this logically please. If you were a police officer investigating a missing body from a cemetery, at what point in your investigation do you say "the body must have arisen from the dead and walked away?" Here you have a book that has only 4 eyewitness that were written about. These 4 people if they truly were eyewitnesses were a huge fan of the guy they saw. So again look at this logically, would 4 letters from 4 people that can not be confirmed as eyewitnesses be considered evidence for such a claim? If I were to tell you I arose from the dead after 3 days, and hand you 4 letters from 4 of my close friends telling the story of what they saw you would be crazy to take this as sufficient evidence, to believe I actually did this. However some guy 2000 years ago, people try to say this evidence is logical. Then you must ask the reliability of the claimed witnesses, even if they did witness the event, this was passed down for 300+ years via word of mouth before it was written down, how accurate is this method? Given all of this I treat the story as being more fake than Donald Trump's hair.
@cypherpunk12
@cypherpunk12 Год назад
@@lepidoptera9337 I'm not quite sure if your comment was directed at me, or you clicked the wrong name. My comment has nothing about the gender of the witnesses.
@mrscechy8625
@mrscechy8625 Год назад
Well first off, your analogy of you claiming to rise from the dead is not a good analogy. In the story of Jesus, it would be the 4 friends going around claiming you rose from the dead, as they claim they saw you after you rose from the dead. They also have other witnesses, and shortly after, a guy who hates everything about you would agree with your friends, that you did rise from the dead. And not only that, when threatened with their own lives, these 4 friends died for the belief that you did in fact rise from the dead. If they knew it wasn't true, dying for it seems rather foolish. Also, 300+ years before it was written down? Don't be ridiculous, the latest dating of the gospels is at most 80, but most agree 20-30 years before the gospels were first written.
@cypherpunk12
@cypherpunk12 Год назад
@@mrscechy8625 Who's the guy that hates Jesus that saw him rise from the dead? Are you referring to Saul/Paul? Jesus apparently appeared to Paul after the crucifixion with magic. How would something this silly hold up in court? The 500+ witnesses written about in 1 Corinthians is information being beamed into a mans head in a prison cell, they are as real as anything else you can imagine. None of the claims of Paul hold any more weight than any one person who has seen anything else. The only people that are claimed to see the resurrection and Jesus after the fact are those 4 disciples. The other appearances are written by the same 4 people. So could me friend write that after resurrection I appeared to the Queen of England? Of course they could, now shes dead and can not deny it so that makes it far more convenient. As for dying for it, people die all the time for false things, I'm sure you don't think Islam is true but the terrorists that die for it do. Death for something does not make it true. In 1978, 909 people were willing to die for Jim Jones this included poisoning their own children and watching them die. I think Jonestown is far more than 10-11 people dying for Jesus, also these people were not willing to die, they were willing to take a risk, with the exception of Judas, they did not want to die. The deaths of the disciples is so vague that we have multiple accounts. Simon, Matthew, John, Mathias, and Phillip all have accounts of old age being the cause of death. But you want a better analogy? in 1977 the vast majority of the United States were literate, we far more qualified doctors and coroners, we definitely understood death. We also had cameras that were colour. in 1977 a famous man named Elvis Presley died qualified doctors confirmed his death, there are even leaked photos of his body. However after his death thousands of people claim have seen him alive, many of these eyewitnesses are alive today and will gladly tell you about it. I am sure some of these people did not like Elvis also. There are even videos right here on RU-vid that claim to be him, taken with cameras made well after 1977. Now even with all this evidence, I do not think Elvis is actually alive, do you? Because if you think Elvis is dead and did you think Jesus actually arose then you have a double standard, I don't do this, I treat all claims the same.
@ptk8451
@ptk8451 Год назад
The 300 years is totally wtong.most scholars date the gospel of mark to around 70 ad And i dont even agree with it The reason they gives this date is Jesus prophecy of the temple of Jerusalem .zTheir starting point is that the supernatural is impossible.Therefore it was after the event But even non christians who believe in prophecy There was the crystal ball gazers prediction of Kennedys assassination.If a crystal gazers prediction is posdible why deny the prophecy of the Son of God Secondly we dont see in the gospels any of the problems of the early church ...the jew gentile issue food offered to idols etc So this before the early church
@mytwocents7481
@mytwocents7481 2 года назад
Did the tomb-visiting women get to see the risen Jesus? Absolutely. In John 20:11-16, Mary Magdalene is standing next to the tomb. In the tomb she sees two angels who want to know why she's crying. The fact that they're angels doesn't seem to alarm her at all. She answers their question and they never say another word. Mary then turns around and sees Jesus, but failing to recognize him, assumes that he's the gardener. He too asks Mary why she's weeping. Her reply: "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him." So Mary is asking Jesus if he knows the location of Jesus' body. (Check the definition of irony.) Then Jesus says a single word - Mary's name. Mary quickly puts two and two together and concludes that Jesus has been raised from the dead. (What else could possibly explain a stranger knowing her name?) Oddly, this unforgettable episode is missing from the other gospels. Matthew has a conflicting story about Mary Magdalen hearing a full explanation of the resurrection from a tomb angel. Mary then heads off running joyfully to tell the disciples when Jesus appears. She has no problem recognizing him and begins to worship him. So if you believe John or if you believe Matthew, either way, Mary Magdalen was among the first to see the risen Jesus, bright and early on Easter morning. But what does Luke think? He doesn't report any appearance of the risen Jesus to the tomb-visiting women. That's a shocking omission, isn't it? What about Paul? Mike considers 1 Corinthians 15 to be relevant here even though the passage says nothing about a tomb. But it does have a long list of people to whom the risen Jesus appeared and the list does not include Mary Magdalene. Another remarkable omission. Does Paul not know the empty tomb story? So are these multiple attestations of a historical event or multiple adaptations of a fictional account? Given an hour to discuss the empty tomb, Mike prefers to ignore these inconsistencies.
@aelinsardothien8926
@aelinsardothien8926 Год назад
14 reasons why🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Toto-cl8rw
@Toto-cl8rw Месяц назад
The bottom line, there is no real proof of Jesus’s existence , except in the bible .That could account for an empty tomb.
@user-lc8ec5fr4i
@user-lc8ec5fr4i 9 месяцев назад
Ok, you look way older here 😂
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