A Catholic and a Protestant Debate Salvation 

No but it's give you a chance of Salvation. Christ died for our sins accepting him ia the only

@@LELEW-bz4spfaith has to be accompanied with works. By the Protestant logic, people like hitler could easily be in heaven just by saying they believe Christ is their savior.

thats why catholics believe in sanctification not ‘once saved always saved’

This!!! When people say all you need to do is believe and you can live however you want to live is false. You must accept Christ in your heart.

@@Lecci520 Absolutely no Christian has ever said that. That's just you superimposing your own wild beliefs on the true nature of salvation.

Amen! Read the Bible and you will see salvation is by grace through faith. Salvation is eternal.

Was the criminal on the cross “saved by grace through faith alone”❓ 🕊️“One of the criminals hanging beside him scoffed, “So you’re the Messiah, are you? Prove it by saving yourself-and us, too, while you’re at it!” But the other criminal protested, “Don’t you fear God even when you have been sentenced to die? We deserve to die for our crimes, but this man hasn’t done anything wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Luke 23:39-43 Discerning this passage properly along with scripture in its entirety will lead you to see that the criminal on the cross was never told that he was forgiven, nor that he was saved but instead that he would be with him in paradise but why the difference? Everyone after death will enter paradise to kneel before our Father and await his judgement but few will enter his kingdom. 🕊️“For the scripture says: “As surely as I am the living God, says the Lord, everyone will kneel before me, and everyone will confess that I am God.” Romans 14:11 🔥“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.” Matthew 7:21 As Christians we must learn to distinguish between paradise and kingdom in order to properly understand it within scripture. No one knows if the criminal was forgiven for his sins nor that he was saved from them but only that he entered paradise to kneel before our Father and await his judgement. A judgement only he can decide. 🕊️“It is God alone who judges; he decides who will rise and who will fall.” Psalms 75:7 Doesn’t this mean that the other criminal entered paradise as well? Yes, won’t we all enter paradise when we kneel before our Father? Where else is his throne located at? Where else would we be judged? but is there a difference between the two criminals? Before his death, the criminal who spoke with Jesus on the cross did a few things different than the other criminal next to him. By his actions/works/deeds, he spoke in fear of the Lord, confessed his sin as he stated that he deserved to die for his crimes, acknowledged Jesus through his faith when he asked to be remembered and trusted his life to Jesus as he knew he would also die. He feared the Lord: “Don’t you fear God” 🕊️“Fear of the Lord leads to life, bringing security and protection from harm.” Proverbs 19:23 He confessed: “We deserve to die for our crimes” 🕊️“When you become aware of your guilt in any of these ways, you must confess your sin.” Leviticus 5:5 He acknowledged Jesus: “remember me when you come into your Kingdom” 🕊️“Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.” Matthew 10:32 He trusted Jesus: “today you will be with me in paradise” 🕊️“Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me.” John 14:1 The criminal on the cross who spoke with Jesus would not only kneel before our Father in paradise as the other but the difference is that he would also be acknowledged by Jesus himself before our Father for the actions he demonstrated before his death. We can only pray that by our Father’s grace, through the criminals faith and by the works he demonstrated to Jesus as he hanged alongside him was good enough to be granted salvation but we must refrain from claiming that our own evaluation of the criminals story can determine our Father’s judgment, for who are we to declare anyone forgiven or even saved, what power does a mere human have? Jesus while on the cross, taught us that it’s never too late to fear the lord, to confess, to acknowledge and trust in him while we are still alive. At the same time, Jesus showed us the free will we are given to decide for ourselves just like the other criminal… some won’t fear the lord, some wont confess, some will deny him and some won’t even trust him but the option of salvation will always be there. The criminal on the cross who entered paradise did much more than people want to admit because they prefer a simpler way to salvation. They willingly promote that they are “saved by grace through faith alone” which is taken out of context as having more power than what the New Testament teaches in its entirety. Worst, they claim that those few words taken out of context have more power than everything Jesus himself taught. Jesus never once taught that you’re “saved by grace through faith alone” nor did he ever mention that statement anywhere in the New Testament. “saved by grace through faith alone” is a false gospel‼️

@@Antonio.R.O.C. Sorry, I feel like you really had to reach to so complicate the simple message of salvation through the grace of Jesus Christ.

@@sherryford667 If it was simple, Jesus wouldn’t have preached daily within and out side the Temple. I quoted Jesus directly, if his statements, his teachings are wrong, please enlighten me because If anyone’s OWN understanding of scripture from the Apostles words lead them to contradict Jesus’ own teachings then they have misinterpreted scripture‼️it’s that simple❗️

@@Antonio.R.O.C. No one is denying or denigrating Jesus' preaching in the synagogue, but on Golgotha, there was no time for anything but the basics, and it was a beautiful thing that it was so simple to reassure the thief who had expressed his faith in Jesus, that because of it, he would be with Jesus in Paradise. Amen and Hallelujah.

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. Exodus 20:4-6

​@leandroronquillo3549 sad thing is the catholic church has gotten rid of the 2nd commandment and slip either the ninth or tenth in two and replaced the second commandment

@@jonathandunaway7865what on earth are you talking about💀 Americans are so so misinformed on Catholicism

​@@jonathandunaway7865Retard, they're literally all in the Catholic commandments. How they're numbered or ordered is insignificant since the same exact words are there

@@leandroronquillo3549the key word you (hopefully not maliciously) forgot “graven”. By your own logic you’d be condemned for pictures of Christ, depictions of God, any depiction of Heaven!

Also one thing to add- Just because you’re Catholic doesn’t mean you have to agree with the pope. He’s only technically infallible for a tiny bit here and there. Most traditional Catholics do not agree with any of his social and political stances. Some don’t even consider him a real pope. My recommendation would be to set aside the politics of the church and focus on the history, tradition, and theology.

Correct! Jesus started Catholic church! Welcome home!

Absolutely. The catholic church is the authentic one. Congrats for converting to the church of Jesus.

Congratulations! I am also so happy to see that you not only converted, but have a better understanding of the Catholic Church than many people I know. I will keep you in my prayers ❤

yes, I agree some of ur comment bro/sis. Thanks for the comment. We are all not perfect even the pope but I think he doing the best he can & we must pray for him, other leaders & the church, & we all have to remember this bros/sis The Catholoc church is not holy not because of it's members, nor of its leaders but the church is Holy because of it's founder the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. have a Blessed day

AMEN!

He doesn't understand that baptism is a Public declaration of your faith within the church community, that is why you don't baptise yourself, by yourself. You do it surrounded by believers and generally its done by a senior leader of the church. It glorifies God, as does the supper we share as a church body in the memory of Christ's sacrifice for us, that we as a body can reflect on our sins and pray to be washed clean before partaking and being worthy of the process.

1 Peter 3:21, and many other scriptures that back it up. I’m a “Protestant” btw… but I would rather just call myself a follower of Christ.

If you’re not baptized, you have original sin. Baptism is necessary to clean your soul.

Mark 16:16 directly contradicts your statement. So much for “Bible thumpers”

Don’t follow false traditions of men. Follow Jesus who is the ultimate source of truth.

Yes, there is a mighty presence in Eucharisristic adoration.

@MZT So you are God now to know she will die in her sins. A little presumptious there. Kind of like the people who say " I got saved." Really. Why bother with the last judgement then. So the OP does not follow a 16 century, European Christianity. I don't either. It is not biblical or even historical.

@@johnsey2625 the traditions of men come from the Reformers. Want a list?

Amen

Romans 4:5

@@voyager14James 2:26, the words of Jesus…literally what theFloridianKitties said. You walk with Jesus? His grave and mercy will save us and confirm our salvation. Your works will show. You walk with Jesus? Your works will show that you truly do.

No Catholic disagrees with this. However faith without works is dead

You’re wrong sister @floridian, faith and good works are actions, salvation is the result

@@tarzan9552 Good works will flow from Salvation. You cannot do good works apart from the Holy Spirit.

What verse is this? ty!

@@sydvlogs26Matthew 7:21

Read the next 2 verses, Matthew 7:22 and 7:23 Jesus rebukes those who rely on works instead of faithful relationship with Christ ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭”For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.“ Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭6‬ ”And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.“

You are making me laugh... Kingdom of God is for Jews... They are looking for Messiah and King.. are you a jew or Gentiles? Gentiles need saviour who is lord but not King... Don't complicate yourself.

@@user-tr6zc7ts1h but gifts can be disregarded and not appreciated. That's why we need to make the effort to do God's will.

Many Catholic churches in the world disagree with the Vatican

I think that there is too much emphasis on men rather than God when Catholics always point to them. I enjoy many Puritanical men of faith, but I do not point to them unless making points clear in regards to infant baptism to which I hold as a Presbyterian. For the Presbyterian it is about Covenant Theology for why we baptise infants

The biblia does the interpretation alone.

Hmm... let's think. Did some invention popped up around that time? Printing press? There were different interpretations always, just not all people had an access to the bible.

@@betrion7 biblia does interpretation alone. The Holy Spirit.

Calvanism shouldnt be taken seriously

@@cracked_cypher8761 Can you give biblical texts as to why?

⁠@@levibaer18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)

@@diegospencer4002 First off, what does this have anything to do with Calvinism not being taken seriously? Second off, what exactly are you suggesting by quoting one verse out of context?

What? 😂

The Thief on the Cross: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GeOb4Z3M6wQ.htmlsi=gpFp8AokmM9CddMp

So he proves the exception then, not the rule.

I dont think there are exceptions with God. It was his faith that got him in. Faith in Christ. His work, in this case, was believing on the Son. @SethRLewis

Can you prove that he wasnt baptized? I mean we only get like one paragraph of his entire life, it is very possible that he was baptized, then fell into thievery , then returned at the last second

​@@RabidLeech.Why would he need to have a water baptism? John the Baptist himself said " I am baptizing you with water, for repentance, but the one who is coming after me is mightier than I. I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the holy Spirit and fire"

To all the Catholics here: “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” Matthew 23:9 NASB1995 They call the pastor "Father". ““And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.” Matthew 6:7 NASB1995 They repeat prayers over and over, i.e. "Hail Mary", Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PcR85Ojhx6M.htmlsi=PcNwgjhlkAYAym5D Satanic statue behind the Pope in his main hall. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3iJ6TzxzQEA.htmlsi=igIGmmh0W-4flgGN Pope's audience hall is blatantly Satanic. The Lady of Guadalupe was made up to convert Native Americans, found no where in the Bible. Baby baptisms are found no where in the Bible, Jesus and his Disciples taught the people before Baptizing them, the baby is not taught anything before getting wet. There are no Confession booths in the Bible, and they make you do repetitive prayers after confessing your sins. ““And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.” Matthew 6:7 NASB1995 ”and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.“ ‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ bible.com/bible/100/rom.1.27.NASB1995

It’s not so much that he was a good debater, but he was debating against someone who is a very poor debater. He talked about literalism, but to interpret the Bible literally is to interpret the Bible according to its literary genre. Not one of the apostles would have understood Jesus to be saying that that bread at the Passover Seder was actually his physical flesh, and that’s a fact. He was standing in front of them when he said it, and everything on that Seder table had a meaning and represented something else. It would have been understood as a metaphor. Just like when he said I am the gate or I am the Shepard or I am the door. Jesus talked that way all the time and all his apostles knew it. The author of Hebrews said our God is a consuming fire. Should we go worship flames? The Bible is full of metaphors. The Bible is its own best interpreter. She was right in saying that the Bible never contradicts itself, and must be understood in context and by comparing scripture with scripture.

We know Jesus was not speaking in metaphor because after preaching about the Eucharist in John chapter 6 (eat my flesh...drink my blood) his disciples took him literally and many left him for it. Jesus let them go, and did not correct their "misunderstanding". They understood rightly. No metaphor. John 6:66-68 "From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. 67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life

@@tomherring I beg to differ Tom! I am very familiar with John 6. I have taught John 6. John 6 is not about communion at all. Jesus had just finished performing a miracle and feeding bread to a huge group of Jewish people. The crowds followed Jesus to get more bread but Jesus knew what their motives were. Jesus knew they did not come to him because they believed in him, but because they wanted a free meal. ”Jesus answered them and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭26‬ Without shame, the Jews said Moses gave us bread to eat, because they were still looking for another food handout and physical nourishment. Jesus said that he was the true bread that comes down from heaven. So then the Jews say, give us this bread still thinking of physical bread that feeds the physical body. Then Jesus tells them how they can receive the bread from heaven he tells them that it’s not physical at all. It’s not communion bread it’s Jesus himself and it’s received through faith. ”Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me will never hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭35‬ To come to Jesus is to believe in him, to believe in him is to receive salvation and never hunger or thirst spiritually again. ”For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭40‬ Think about what Jesus said to the Samaritan woman a few chapters ago. I will give you water, and if you receive it, you will never thirst again. Was Jesus talking about physical water or physical thirst? The Samaritan woman said to Jesus sir give me this water, so I don’t have to come here and draw anymore. The same response as these Jews, who also didn’t understand that Jesus was not talking about eating physically but believing in him and following him. Eventually the Samaritan woman understood that Jesus was not talking about drinking physically but spiritually by believing in him but I’m afraid these Jews never did. Jesus meant that they would have eternal life if they believed in him not if they ate communion bread or his physical flesh. Jesus always spoke to these Jews in parables and metaphors not in literal speech. ”All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He was not speaking to them without a parable“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13‬:‭34 ”Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭47‬ These Jews were offended by Jesus, as even some of his own disciples were for a time. If you remember, even Peter said this shall never happened to you speaking of Jesus giving his body and shedding his blood for sinners and Jesus said to Peter get behind me Satan, for this is the will of my father. Can you not see the obvious fact that Jesus is speaking to all these people in parables telling these Jews through metaphors that they must believe in him and follow him? It’s a simple as that. ”The Spirit is the One who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭63‬-‭64‬ Indeed, the flesh profits nothing and there are some of you who do not believe. Grace and peace to you my friend.

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

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I was baptized Catholic, confirmed Methodist and in college went back through RCIA.....primarily because I started asking questions. Protestantism runs out of gas if you ask too many questions. If more Protestants asked more questions about the origins of their faith, they wouldn't be Protestant anymore. Christianity did not start in the 1500's. And the Bible did not just fall out of the sky.

I started looking into Catholicism and at first it seemed more reasonable than I originally thought but then I thought even deeper and realized Catholicism isn’t tenable.

If you know history and the Bible, than you know Peter was not held as a Pope in any regard. Check out Mattew 23:8-10, 1 Peter 5:1-3

That cardinal newman quote is such a blatant partisan ploy attempting to have some amount of authority. Here’s the problem. It is precisely your own statement that gives off why the Catholic Church is incorrect. “Why would we not want to wash away any sins right at birth and bestow the Holy Spirit right away”. WE did not do any of that, this was God’s doing. Faith without works is dead yes, but only because works are a reflection of our true faith, it is not what ends up saving us. Only when we truly have faith does God take mercy on us and bestow grace, and in response we do good, we do what he commanded. These catholic talkers always have a way of trying to distort the Bible by claiming sola scriptural while ignoring the context of the Bible at whole, especially when there are specific examples against what they themselves argue

Is the Catholic Church Jesus’ original church❓ The quotes provided below are historical facts in reference to our early church which existed prior to Romes adoption of Christianity in 313 A.D. Church: 📖"Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” [St. Ignatius of Antioch - Letter to the Smyrneans 8 (c. A.D. 110)] Bishop, Priest & Deacon: 📖“Since, then, I have had the privilege of seeing you, through Damas your most worthy bishop, and through your worthy presbyters Bassus and Apollonius, and through my fellow-servant the deacon Sotio, whose friendship may I ever enjoy, because he is subject to the bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery as to the law of Jesus Christ [St. Ignatius of Antioch- Letter to the Magnesians 2 (c. A.D. 110)]. Eucharist: 📖“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ, which have come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, Ash that suffered for our sins and that the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.” [St. Ignatius of Antioch - Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6-7 (c. A.D. 110)]. Scripture: 📖“[W]hoever perverts the sayings of the Lord for his own desires, and says that there is neither resurrection nor judgment, is the firstborn of Satan. Let us leave the foolishness and the false teaching of the crowd and turn back to the word that was delivered to us in the beginning.” [St. Polycrap of Smyrna - Letter to the Philippians 7 (c. A.D. 135)]. Sunday: 📖“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” [St. Justin Martyr - First Apology 67 (c. A.D. 151)]. Actions/Works: 📖“We have learned from the prophets, and we believe it is true, that punishments, and chastisements, and good rewards, are rendered according to the merit of each man's actions. If it is not so, then all things happen by fate, and nothing is in our own power. If it is fated that this man be good, and this other evil, the former is not meritorious nor the latter blameworthy [St. Justin Martyr - First Apology 43 (c. A.D. 151)]. Apostolic Succession: 📖“It is within the power of all, in every church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the Tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were instituted bishops in the churches by the apostles, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew anything these [heretics] rave about.” [St. Irenaeus of Lyons - Against Heresies 3:3:1 (c. A.D. 189)] Baptism: 📖“The children shall be baptized first. All the children who can answer for themselves, let them answer. If there are any children who cannot answer for themselves, let their parents answer for them, or someone else from their family.” [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 21 (c. A.D. 215)]. Confession: 📖“After this, one of the bishops present, at the request of all, laying his hand on him who is ordained bishop, shall pray this way: O God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. pour forth the power that is from you, of "the princely Spirit' that you delivered to your beloved Child, Jesus Christ, and that he bestowed on your holy apostles, who established the Church that hallows you everywhere, for the endless glory and praise of your name. Father, "who knows the hearts [of all]” grant this servant, who you have chosen for the episcopate, to feed your holy flock and serve as your high priest blamelessly night and day, and unceasingly turn away wrath from your face and offer to you the gifts of the holy Church. And that by the high priestly Spirit he may have authority "to forgive sins" according to your command.” [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 2-3 (c. A.D. 215)]. Confirmation: 📖“The bishop will then lay his hand upon them, invoking, "Lord God, you who have made these worthy of the removal of sins through the bath of regeneration, make them worthy to be filled with your Holy Spirit, grant to them your grace, that they might serve you according to your will, for to you is the glory, Father and Son with the Holy Spirit, in the holy Church, now and throughout the ages of the ages. Amen." After this he pours the oil into his hand, and laying his hand on each of their heads, says, "I anoint you with holy oil in God the Father Almighty, and Christ Jesus, and the Holy Spirit." Then, after sealing each of them on the forehead, he shall give them the kiss of peace and say, "The Lord be with you." And the one who has been baptized shall say, "And with your spirit." So shall he do to each one [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 21-22 (c. A.D. 215). Peter’s Authority: 📖“The Lord says to Peter: "I say to you,' he says, “that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven. [Mt 16:18-19]. On him he builds the Church, and commands him to feed the sheep [Jn 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed the others were also what Peter was [apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, by which it is made clear that there is one Church and one chair.... If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he think that he holds the faith? If he deserts the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he be confident that he is in the Church?.” [St. Cyprian of Carthage - Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition (Treatise 1:4) (A.D. 251)]. These few topics (but a glimpse) were not only discussed but settled BEFORE Rome adopted Christianity (The Catholic Church) and eventually became The Roman Catholic Church as it also adopted its name after 313 A.D. Is the Catholic Church Jesus’ original church❓Yes❗️ Does this excuse all its mistakes and sins from the record❓Of course not❗️As Christians, we are called to hold the church accountable, not leave it and let evil flourish within it. This refusal of accountability within every Christian has led to over 40,000 diferente Christian denominations and the ignorance which has flourished from it. 🕊️”And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ; so that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,” Ephesians 4:11-15 We are called by God to unite! What better church to do it under than the one he started. Historical fact that can be easily confirmed by any Christian historian is that the Holy Spirit who is God, who sees past, present and future chose the Catholic Church to compile the Bible, specifically the New Testament which all Christians base their entire religion from and yet reject God’s decision to have picked the Catholic Church.

There is an objective answer tho. How was your parent’s marriage? I’m dating a catholic girl and we are having theological issues that are pretty stereotypical of Protestant and Catholic relationships.

@@davidjohn8056 The Scriptures advise you against being "unequally yoked." Not a good idea. The important question is are you, yourself, saved, and are you willing to make certain that your children have a bible-based religious education because I guarantee that she will demand that they will be raised Catholic with all its man-created dogma.

​@@sherryford667god bless that girl I hope she does. And I pray you give in

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

@@davidjohn8056 needs to be love and respect to make it work and always put Jesus first

Protestants really miss out on some fantastic theologians. They threw out the baby with the bathwater.

Eric as a it is so nice to hear this from a non-Catholic. ❤🙏Many of God's blessings to you.

@@stephj9378 An ex-protestant pastor actually talked about how as a protestant, he found so many amazing books from Catholic theologians and critical thinkers but then he felt uneasy because those books are dedicated to Our Lady and he cant imagine fathom that those books are so full of grace and truth but then he knew those people actually had a contemplative and prayerful life that inspired them to right those great books.

@@elle9082 Well said. You get it.

Our God is Messiah - to have the mind of Christ, given by the Spirit, is the only Way. "Church" and all of its adherents and trappings cannot save and does not even want you saved. It wants you caught up in deceptive idol whoreship.

The Reformers rediscovered the early church fathers. You can barely tell the difference between Augustine and Calvin. It was the corrupt church of Rome who went away from the church fathers.

With all due respect, why should the early church fathers be revered over what the New Testament says?

@@lauradel9they are who wrote the gospels. St. Paul even says that the church is the foundation and pillar of truth

⁠ then why are you saying “early church fathers” instead of just saying reading the New Testament? What am I missing?

@@lauradel9 Because us Catholics also believe in the authority of the Church to teach us. It's not the Bible alone. Even the Holy Trinity, as we know it, is a concept that was agreed upon Church leaders from the Roman Empire, you can't get the complexity of it based on the Bible alone. That happened because of leaders being "enlightened" by the Holy Spirit.

Protestant would be irrelevant due to the Catholic and orthodox going at it hahaha

@@deooptimomaximo9843Catholics and Orthodox agree on many things it would probably be the catholic an orthodox people chewing at the Protestants.

​@@deooptimomaximo9843yeahh😂😂

@@deooptimomaximo9843 so true lol. Two of the OGs.....and then this third wheel that says "well 1500 years later...." Orthodox and Catholic have a legitimate argument between each other.

@@ivankrushensky The Catholics and Orthodox would argue complex theological topics like original sin/ancestral sin and purgatory/Aerial toll booths Meanwhile the protestant would be sitting in a corner saying "God said not to worship idols and also both of you worship Mary"

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

​@@theothersideofthestory1594you are confused..ex Protestant here..

Welcome home!!!

@@theothersideofthestory1594 You are one confused man! So, JEsus died on the cross for us all and as a result, we are heaven bound.........all of us. Right? Okay, you say we should have faith. So, he died on the cross for all of us and on top of that, since we have faith, we are heaven bound NO MATTER WHAT! That is your position. IT is like an insurance policy (comprehensive). Total the car and regardless of whether it's your fault or not, you are covered and will be compensated! Oh protestants!

Is the Catholic Church Jesus’ original church❓ The quotes provided below are historical facts in reference to our early church which existed prior to Romes adoption of Christianity in 313 A.D. Church: 📖"Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” [St. Ignatius of Antioch - Letter to the Smyrneans 8 (c. A.D. 110)] Bishop, Priest & Deacon: 📖“Since, then, I have had the privilege of seeing you, through Damas your most worthy bishop, and through your worthy presbyters Bassus and Apollonius, and through my fellow-servant the deacon Sotio, whose friendship may I ever enjoy, because he is subject to the bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery as to the law of Jesus Christ [St. Ignatius of Antioch- Letter to the Magnesians 2 (c. A.D. 110)]. Eucharist: 📖“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ, which have come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, Ash that suffered for our sins and that the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.” [St. Ignatius of Antioch - Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6-7 (c. A.D. 110)]. Scripture: 📖“[W]hoever perverts the sayings of the Lord for his own desires, and says that there is neither resurrection nor judgment, is the firstborn of Satan. Let us leave the foolishness and the false teaching of the crowd and turn back to the word that was delivered to us in the beginning.” [St. Polycrap of Smyrna - Letter to the Philippians 7 (c. A.D. 135)]. Sunday: 📖“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” [St. Justin Martyr - First Apology 67 (c. A.D. 151)]. Actions/Works: 📖“We have learned from the prophets, and we believe it is true, that punishments, and chastisements, and good rewards, are rendered according to the merit of each man's actions. If it is not so, then all things happen by fate, and nothing is in our own power. If it is fated that this man be good, and this other evil, the former is not meritorious nor the latter blameworthy [St. Justin Martyr - First Apology 43 (c. A.D. 151)]. Apostolic Succession: 📖“It is within the power of all, in every church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the Tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were instituted bishops in the churches by the apostles, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew anything these [heretics] rave about.” [St. Irenaeus of Lyons - Against Heresies 3:3:1 (c. A.D. 189)] Baptism: 📖“The children shall be baptized first. All the children who can answer for themselves, let them answer. If there are any children who cannot answer for themselves, let their parents answer for them, or someone else from their family.” [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 21 (c. A.D. 215)]. Confession: 📖“After this, one of the bishops present, at the request of all, laying his hand on him who is ordained bishop, shall pray this way: O God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. pour forth the power that is from you, of "the princely Spirit' that you delivered to your beloved Child, Jesus Christ, and that he bestowed on your holy apostles, who established the Church that hallows you everywhere, for the endless glory and praise of your name. Father, "who knows the hearts [of all]” grant this servant, who you have chosen for the episcopate, to feed your holy flock and serve as your high priest blamelessly night and day, and unceasingly turn away wrath from your face and offer to you the gifts of the holy Church. And that by the high priestly Spirit he may have authority "to forgive sins" according to your command.” [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 2-3 (c. A.D. 215)]. Confirmation: 📖“The bishop will then lay his hand upon them, invoking, "Lord God, you who have made these worthy of the removal of sins through the bath of regeneration, make them worthy to be filled with your Holy Spirit, grant to them your grace, that they might serve you according to your will, for to you is the glory, Father and Son with the Holy Spirit, in the holy Church, now and throughout the ages of the ages. Amen." After this he pours the oil into his hand, and laying his hand on each of their heads, says, "I anoint you with holy oil in God the Father Almighty, and Christ Jesus, and the Holy Spirit." Then, after sealing each of them on the forehead, he shall give them the kiss of peace and say, "The Lord be with you." And the one who has been baptized shall say, "And with your spirit." So shall he do to each one [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 21-22 (c. A.D. 215). Peter’s Authority: 📖“The Lord says to Peter: "I say to you,' he says, “that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven. [Mt 16:18-19]. On him he builds the Church, and commands him to feed the sheep [Jn 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed the others were also what Peter was [apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, by which it is made clear that there is one Church and one chair.... If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he think that he holds the faith? If he deserts the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he be confident that he is in the Church?.” [St. Cyprian of Carthage - Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition (Treatise 1:4) (A.D. 251)]. These few topics (but a glimpse) were not only discussed but settled BEFORE Rome adopted Christianity (The Catholic Church) and eventually became The Roman Catholic Church as it also adopted its name after 313 A.D. Is the Catholic Church Jesus’ original church❓Yes❗️ Does this excuse all its mistakes and sins from the record❓Of course not❗️As Christians, we are called to hold the church accountable, not leave it and let evil flourish within it. This refusal of accountability within every Christian has led to over 40,000 diferente Christian denominations and the ignorance which has flourished from it. 🕊️”And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ; so that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,” Ephesians 4:11-15 We are called by God to unite! What better church to do it under than the one he started. Historical fact that can be easily confirmed by any Christian historian is that the Holy Spirit who is God, who sees past, present and future chose the Catholic Church to compile the Bible, specifically the New Testament which all Christians base their entire religion from and yet reject God’s decision to have picked the Catholic Church.

Works doesn't add to salvation Grace just furthers sanctification

​@@Gypsyman_99 Right

I assume you aren't implying that the Catholic Church teaches otherwise, right? The Catholic salvation model is as follows: Repent : of sins Receive : the grace of God in the form of the Sacraments and other means Remain : in a state of grace, ie, not being in a state of mortal sin.

@@holyromanemperor420 The Catholic Church does teach otherwise. The Council of Trent Canon 32 says, "If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema." If you have to do good works to be saved, how is salvation a free gift received by faith? If you work for something, it's not a gift anymore. It's something you earned. The only thing we can earn is death. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

I understand Good Works to be an outpouring of ones having been saved by Grace through Faith. The Protestant in essence believes that Good Works are a FRUIT. My question then is….Why isn’t Good Works listed among the Other Fruits of the Spirit??? If it is in fact a FRUIT by which we should know them then it would also be listed amongst the other fruits of the Spirit. Sincerely seeking the Truth ♥️🔥🙏🔥♥️

A baby is baptized for the purpose of initiation into the Church, the Bride of Christ , or the Body of Christ. And of course the blood , body and divinity of Christ saves. Christ died once and for all. Even those that don't know him , those little babies or even the atheist on the street. But good works are a product of free will and cooperation within Faith and the Grace of God, Jesus. No such thing as once saved , always saved. Oh sure , you'll find scriptures verses that affirm salvation but not exclusive in and of themselves . Least we set aside of all the warning to remain faithful in scripture. We are human not totally spiritual beings without sin. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling is just one admission for follow. And born again is Baptism , through Water and the Spirit. Water, the Father , Son and the Holy Spirit . No reciting some words and feeling something.

@@jgood6088 rest assured that the Catholic Church is NOT the Bride of Christ. Born Again followers of Jesus Christ are the Bride of Christ.

@@imgerrydee No

@@imgerrydeeThe Early Church seems to disagree with you. Why follow your personal interpretation that is far from what Christianity has preached for millenium.

To leave the Catholic Church is to leave Jesus. One's feelings do not correlate with what is true.

And so does the Pharisees in the Bible. Who cares.

No man can belive in the gospel and say it and not be saved. Seems like what the word says. Me no expert

And be without sin.

Checking a box in one’s mental landscape is not the same as belief, and belief is not the same thing as faith.

@@j2muw667 Nobody can keep all of the Ten Commandments, you break one and you break them all. That's why Salvation is by GRACE and not by WORKS, we were born in sin in the image of fallen Adam, a sinner.

​​​​​@@imgerrydee Catholics don't believe we are saved by works. We believe that we are saved through faith and obedience. Was Abraham saved by faith alone? What if he had refused to offer up Isaac and had told God "I don't have to offer up my son because I am saved by faith alone I don't have to be obedient or do anything." Would Abraham still have been saved? What about the devil and the demons? If faith alone was enough then surely they would also be saved because they believe in Jesus but we know they are not because they are disobient to God so faith alone itself is not enough

Then go forth in the world and sin freely as you may. The world is your oyster. Maybe if you have some free time tomorrow you can go rob a bank. Just make sure you’re baptized first.

​@@DrRobGillesbeautifully said

​@@DrRobGilles No one who is truly filled with the Holy Spirit can just live in sin it doesn't work that way. The Holy Spirit convicts you

@@anthonybrown7650 I was speaking sarcastically

@@anthonybrown7650How do we know if someone is truly filled with the Holy Spirit? What is the outward sign?

Well, you never felt the connection to God because u took it for granted since "You grew up catholic". Similar to the attitude of the biblical Israelites. If you know the significance and essence of what happens at Mass From the liturgy of the world to the Liturgy of the Eucharist, you would feel the presence of God.

Go to Latin mass

Same

God bless 🙏. Though, I am not sure if those protestant "friends" were really your "friends", we should have respect for each other, not to bully our friends using religion.

Sorry you were bullied. I’m a protestant, and very convinced of the truth of the scriptures but I believe that the gospel should be presented without coercion. We should just present the simple gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit.

I am glad you came back to the truth!

@@daveluna6691 This is a very presumptuous and arrogant and prideful statement! The church of Rome does not have a corner on the market of truth! In fact through much of their history they have suppressed the truth, and acted as an enemy of the truth! This is extremely easy to prove historically, if you want to challenge that fact! Grace and peace to you.

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is the True Faith my friend ☦☦☦.

The CC gave the world the Bible and after over a 1000 years Men removed books from that bible and now have the wrong Bible. Fact.

Honestly the Catholic Chruch Hold the whole truth. Have so many doctors and Theologians in the Catholic Faith going off of Scripture and the whole Bible Not just pieces. 2:14-26 Faith without works is Dead. We believe as Catholic Grace is always there for us to Choose. Up until the moment you die here on Earth. You choose to stay far away from sin and the Near occasions of sin. Anyone can be saved but once you vow you’re a Christian or a Catholic you should always uphold The 10 Commandments. Faith without works dead but ANYONE can be forgiven. Heck I could go to Hell/ Purgatory and an Athiest who never knew any better could go into Heaven after Death. Only God knows that. I have no say if a person is saved or not. Just Guide them and Inform them of the Truth. Seeing this made me feel bad for other Faith that are not Catholic. God bless always sister in Christ! 🙏

Who told you what the bible is? Catholic church did in 4th century

@@johnyang1420 facts

@@johnyang1420 most Protestants talk as though it fell out of the sky. They don't realize that there were hundreds of years of Christianity were there was no Bible. They've never heard of the Council of Nicaea. The very fact that there were hundreds of years of Christianity in the absence of a Bible should tell you "sola scriptura" is nonsense- because was literally impossible. How could you have a religion based solely on scripture when the scripture didn't even exist? There's obviously more to the religion than that. This very fact is what makes Christianity so amazing- there was obviously enough noise and miraculous witness that people turned to look and follow. Against all odds- people followed. In the absence of a Bible- they followed. Being chased around and killed- yet they followed. There was obviously something there....but there was no Bible. So how could it be sola scriptura?

I'm Catholic, there are great videos about Catholism. Please keep looking into the Church. Your are in my prayers🙏🙏

Study what the Vatican stores underneath it, and a big question I have is why do so many pedophiles and gays come from the catholic church? These are all abominations of God...Wouldn't wisdom tell you there is a big problem?

I invite you all to read the Quran. There's a reason why it's the fastest religion. It stands the test of time. May God guide us all.

@@ayeikareviews6127 Are you sure that doesn't have to do with the countries that kill non-Muslims?

The extra books are not inspired , they are just interesting reading and history

You forget Romans 6 Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Knowing that the sum of God's word is truth (Psalms 119:160 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.), we can see one must believe, repent, confess Christ's deity with our mouths and be immersed in water for remission of sins. It is in this immersion we are joined together with Christ in His death burying the old man in this watery grave which has been crucified with Christ . We then rise up out of this watery grave resurrected, born of water and spirit to walk in newness of life freed from sin.

Jesus started Catholic church. Catholic church has an exclusive path to salvation. Take it! It is free!

@@johnyang1420 Rome did.

Boooo

@@SoloDolo-BlackManyou are welcome anytime as well brother.. no need to boo what you do not understand

That’s more for Luke warm Christians. For those who say they’re Christian or Catholic but still live a worldly lifestyle.

@@datboiron2549 It's for many. Even prosperity preachers and false prophets

Romans 10:9

Catholics do not believe in a works doctrine we believe we are saved through faith and obedience. When you become a Christian you have to "believe", come to the knowledge of the truth, "receive" Jesus, "confess" him as Lord and savior, "confess" your sins and "repent" of your sins... Those are all works so it's not just faith alone where you do nothing at all. Also the Cathecism states one can be baptised by intent if you did not have the knowledge or opportunity to do so so it all just comes down to obedience if your faith is true you will do what God says

Absolutely! The slightest addition to it renders it completely invalid

@@ABezuidenhout370 the opinion of the catechism is irrelevant

Right, no one in this video was disagreeing with that.

@@cedriceric9730 "Absolutely! The slightest addition to it renders it completely invalid" Why? Is that really the case? "the opinion of the catechism is irrelevant" Why?

Amen! We need to get back to the Word of God and not put him in a box of Catholicism or Protestantism. It is not through our works but only through God’s grace and our belief that Jesus died on the cross for our sins is how we are saved.

Why? Jesus himself founded the church. Why not follow Jesus' church?

You will know a tree by its fruits

Well, you know, Whoopi Goldberg on the view says the same thing and according to her abortion is a gift from God....soooo...I'm sticking with the early church in her divine wisdom and councils.

​@@paulunatxif are saved by faith the faith without works is DEAD

Why ask saints for help? The Bible says this “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). The Bible does not say once to pray to saints. Catholicsism mixes human tradition and man made doctrine with the word of God. "'But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.' "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men." Mark 7:7-9

@@rona175you ask for help of intercedsion through the saints the same way you ask someone else to pray for you, be careful how strict you become for I hear protestants also say having pictures of saints or virgen mary is Idoltry. If having pictured of someone you respect is Idoltry then you cant have any pictures of loved ones or else they too will be idols. If you cannot ask help through intercession of someone who proved to be intimate with God over many other, surely you cant even ask someone else to pray for you for the same thing you say, why need the help when you can pray to God alone? In the bible it says Behold thy Mother! And it mentions where there are 3 or more people I am Present. When people pray with each other for each other Jesus is there

@@narcisopena3004 what verse in the Bible asks you to pray to saints for help?

​@@rona175 please watch fr joseph edattu on this you will find your answers

​@@narcisopena3004exactly!!!❤

What scripture?

This is wrong

If and when you know the truth, your life will be filled with Zeal for Messiah and His good news.

Correct, but the works isn’t what is saving them. Works is simply the evidence of salvation. Jesus sacrifice on the cross does the saving. The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

Nah he conflicts with the 2

Jesus loves you!

@@cooperag Jesus loves everybody

You seem to be also acting out your faith through works. I think we should focus on both faith and works, because even through the Protestant viewpoints, “faith without works is dead”

That is great for you, but that isn't evidence and many people who cry out to Jesus do not get healed. Nonetheless I don't need miracles to believe in Jesus Christ. His teachings, his actions are worth following without the miracles.

The church is only a building built by men, our souls are where God resides but only if you are Born Again. John 3:3-Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The church is a meeting between Christians. We're the church, it's not a physical place.

Thank you so much for this content, much needed and a lot to be learned from both sides! I appreciate the educational information from both sides and that they weren’t both so focused on proving each other wrong but more this is what I’ve learned and from where. Great job on all parties!!

Christ is coming for those sheep who believe in Him. Not for "a body" or for a "bride" but for individual believers. Remember the woman gathering the sticks - one here, one there.

Yes and CC does not emphasize living in holiness. One can be of the world, go to church on Sunday, go to confession and it’s all good.

Incorrect! Jesus started Catholic church. There is no salvation outside the Catholic church. Look into it! Take RCIA and ask your questions there!

@@malenaperez6923 That is incorrect. The Catholic Church teaches to not be of this world.

Fact Check result 👇 Catholic = only works? No, good works only proceed by faith in Jesus is able to achieve salvation. 📖 Bible reaction: Yes Correct (Galatians 2:16; James 2:14; Matthew 12:33) Protestant: only Faith alone. 📖 Bible reaction: Worng (James 2:19; 2 Thessalonians 2:15) Hence, Case Closed ✌️

It's literally in the Bible. But Luther tried to take that whole book out 😂

All that means is that a good faith will produce good works naturally.

@@Milehighsteppin no it doesn’t. You are discrediting Jesus work on the cross with that statement.

​@@toma3447Jesus was trying to get us to live like him and he was murdered. He died for us doesn't mean there is no obligation from us.

@@stevecochrane8799 your obligation is to believe in him who was sent.

Sounds about right

I highly doubt she "bashed" you with scripture. Seems like you might have been the one cherry picking if you were trying to prove your point with one scripture and considered other Bible references an attack on your point.

May I ask what you were discussing?

We should all remember in these conversations Proverbs 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom

Sorry, but I do not see this, in her, at all, because Allie is certainly not cherry picking in these videos, and is anything but closed minded. She is listening and agreeing with a lot of what she hears, and countering with supportive scripture, the things with which she disagrees. She could not be any more open minded, without completely conceding everything that she truly believes.

Yup his actions and obedience validated his faith it showed that it was genuine not that it merited him salvation or he was owed it because of what he did.

I don’t know ant Protestants who believe that though I’ve heard this argument online. I think they’re countering the idea that you need to do works in order to be saved. Yes, you must have faith to be saved but you must also have genuine remorse and repentance for your sins which brings about a changed heart that no longer wants to sin. And through a continual relationship with Jesus, you produce good works through the working of the Holy Spirit. A person who only says he believes in Jesus but has no change in his behavior is not genuine in his faith or a baby Christian. How cruel would it be if God said you have to be perfect and sinless before you could be saved. God is so merciful and Jesus came to save sinners after all and not the righteous. It’s not up to me to judge whether they’re saved though as only God knows the inner workings of the heart.

Why does it need to be simplified?

@@Shskfjekdnf38587because it’s been unnecessarily complicated to fit an agenda and a human understanding.

You're in for the adventure of your life! I read through the entire Bible (NIV) a couple years ago. Now I am in the process of reading through the KJV. And then after that I'm going to read the NASB Catholic Bible. I personally recommend that, at least once, you read through the whole Bible without additional study. That is to say, read through it all without going to the internet or a pastor or a Bible study, etc. I say this because there is so much clutter and assigned meaning to the Bible that come from other people and it can cloud the mind. But when you simply sit in the quiet with it and read it exactly as it is written, it is far easier to get to the bare bones of it.

I've read through the Bible many times and different translations. I highly recommend the New Living Translation for modern reading - but keep in mind the KJV is used for quoting. There are known issues with several other translations.

how are you liking it? I'm planning on buying it soon

@@luredemia I am very much liking it. After 7 months I am now on the Gospel according to John. I am reading it cover-to-cover but I think reading it chronologically would be even better. The notes are helpful, but I am already looking forward to the Ignatius New Testament Study Bible for an even better understanding.

⁠@@bk3328i would recommend you to watch sam shamoun on youtube for bible knowledge, And if you want creation knowledge how God Has made heaven and earth you should look up Kent Hovind Seminars They helped me through SO many questions i had in life… Christ is God He is Risen and Alive Forevermore, Holy He is

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

@@theothersideofthestory1594 I never said nor believe works in and of themselves bring you anywhere near Being saved, I stated that faith should lead yo.good works though. In many churches ita not made clear and simply believing in christ for salvation and yo be called a Christian for that matter can become misconstrued by many. For example, there are many who claim to believe and call themselves Christian, but don't live it out ! They continue to steal. Lie or cheat through life to benefit themselves, even at the expense of others, does that mean they are still saved !? I would like to think not,

@@paulabolan is their water in purgatory?

​@@paulabolan John "The Baptist" was the first to baptise and baptised Jesus in the Holy Spirit. Your logic is flawed.

@@paulabolan is it essential for salvation or not?

@@alexeios oh so God plays favorites?

@@bruce.h absolutely

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

​@@theothersideofthestory1594whats your problem?

Only the Holy Spirit can lead us into all truth and He will.

Jesus did promise us that the Holy Spirit would be with us to help us understand all the teachings He gave us. Faith like a child. You don’t need to be an expert to understand the love of God and His gift to us. The ones who over-complicated it (added tradition, works, etc) were confronted by Jesus for this very issue.

@@judgedredd31 jesus took part in all the jewish works and traditions, he did not condemn them or the law. He then instituted new works and traditions such as baptism, confession, and the eucharist. Theres not only scripture that shows that these things were practiced in the first century, theres plenty of historical evidence outside the scripture, a lot of it written by bishops who were ordained by the apostles themselves. The holy spirit used the apostles to teach without error and they passed on their authority with a laying of hands to the next set of bishops. There is a multitude of evidence that even from the first couple decades, there was a structure and hierarchy in the church: Bishops, priests, deacon, then laity. The bishop of Rome was clearly the highest seat from 1st century evidence. The holy spirit worked through this structure and frequently squashed heresy from individuals that thought the Holy Spirit was showing them truth. Yes we frequently feel like the Holy Spirit is telling us something but if that something is going against the church then its most likely a different spirit that wants to keep us blind to and divided from the church.

And even then they can't agree amongst themselves...

@@mcspinixvids3875exactly. Eastern Catholics and the more Latin style Catholics hold to vastly different traditions and yet are both in communion with Rome.

And yet the child remains his child. Flesh and Blood.

It's very clearly demonstrated here that what you said is not how protestants function. It's not "regardless of what we do", because if we are committing sins, it means the faith we claim to have is not faith that we actually have, it's just an empty claim. Those with faith will know they need to repent.

@@velatoget Yes, but what is repentance without atonement? Atonement is a work. It's hard work. But it works toward humility, especially when united to the Sacrifice of Christ. The idea of just saying "I'm sorry, forgive me", and then moving on seems self-defeating. It's almost like a trade-off ... "I say I'm sorry, and You give me back my salvation". You might state that Christ atoned for all our sins, and so it's done. You're not wrong. He atoned for our sins perfectly. Opened up the gates of Heaven. But we still have our part to do. The gates are now open, we still have to work through the narrow path. We still have to work out our salvation ... not by ourselves, but with Christ's grace, support, and blessing. It's a mutual effort. A tag-team if you will. Our restoration to grace was not Because of Jesus' suffering in itself, but the Reason of suffering. I mean, Why did Christ atone? Why not just say "I forgive you" whenever one of His prophets asked for mercy, and then open up the gates of Heaven? Why send Christ to repent to the Eternal Father on our behalf, and then atone for all our faults? Or, Jesus could have just come, said "Father forgive them, they know not what they do", and that's that. No sacrifice or atonement needed. Well, that's a little shady. Sort of like a cop-out. We're all called to be Christ-Like. It isn't just Him Who should have had to work for our Salvation. There has to be an active participation on our part. It isn't as simple as saying "I'm sorry" ... although that's the first step. God did not punish Jesus for our sins. He accepted Jesus's perfect self-sacrifical love, and all its works, and in turn, He forgave us our trespasses. That mercy endures through the sacrifice of Christ ... but it isn't some cosmic bell-boy function where you just state a few words, and boom you're back in tow. If we are called to the Imitation of Chrsit, that also means we're called to Imitate His works and sacrifices.

@@kdr3619allat nonsense to prove nothing. so many verses can disprove your point entirely.

@@kdr3619 “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:12-13) “because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the scripture says, ‘Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.’ For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For ‘everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’” (Romans 10:9-13) “he saved us, not because of the works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.” (Titus 3:5) “because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9)

@@ezekiel440 Okay. Have a good one.

Protestantism is heresy

Keyword: FOLLOW .....that tells you everything you need to know about this discussion

Not really, the Bible is meant to be taken in its entirety. One verse at a time, without the rest is easy to twist and misconstrue.

Amen!!! God so loved THE WORLD! Not select few!

Just remember…that even the devil can quote scripture.

@@emlove2233 Yep and if he quoted John 3:16, he knows Jesus is our salvation

@@jollygreen9377 then Jesus in John chapter 6 was preaching and telling the people that unless you eat of my flesh and drink of my blood you have no life in you. When he gets finished teaching the people begin question him about eating his flesh they turned and walked away from Him in John 6:66. Jesus turned to Peter and asked him if he would also walk away and Peter responded where will I go Lord. I agree with Peter…where will I go. I know I need communion.

She's just another confused protestant. He's right. The Catholic Church holds the fullness of truth!

so then you think that Jesus' blood isn't enough, that you need to add to your own salvation... the Bible states (of God, by God - alone)

@@KrisLovesJeff1 Path to Sanctification is a gradual process, I think this is what John Thomas is saying. No where did he say that Jesus blood is not enough. What a weird assessment of what is written above. Do you happen to believe that once you are saved you are always saved no matter what ? If a Christian who is so called “Saved” commits sins over and over again they’re still in a state of grace ?

@@KrisLovesJeff1 just saying, "Faith is dead" doesn't mean you are not saved, you are just not going to be an effective witness for Christ. But you are saved. Christ and Christ alone.

@@ElevatedMind0922 I am Sanctified But the manifestation of that sanctification may take a while. To please everybody, that may never happen. When I accepted Christ my spirit was Born Again, My soul and body always can use some improvement.

Imagine thinking that you can believe in Christ, commit murder, never repent of this monstrosity and still be on good foot with God.

And what is the "Name" of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? His name is Jesus. Acts 2:38- Repent and be baptised in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.

@@imgerrydee obviously it’s Jesus… the Old Testament is The Word and the New Testament is The Word made flesh (Jesus)… we are all saying the same thing but some seem to just enjoy arguing their point even if we agree with them!🤦🏾‍♀️😅

@@carriecarrie7975 Then be baptised in the Name of Jesus 😇

​@@imgerrydeeu are such a fool abeg rest