Yes that's why I'm critical of looks, wireless shifting only and the historically promising Specialized proprietary shock, I won't ride it for awhile since I don't want or feel the need to demo that thing. 💀
I’ve no doubt it’s an awesome riding bike - I just don’t want the bs of anything electric on my bike. I want to leave my house and leave all that shit behind me and not think “oh f*ck I forgot to charge this this and this”
Thanks for the review. You guys do an excellent job of giving impressions, and often times give great tech info too.. I'm riding my 3rd Stumpy now. 9 mtn bikes, so far, and a third of them Stumpys because they are totally AWESOME. The Evo's plush was appreciated, but pedaling suffered greatly.. then add the pedal strikes, which were on occasion very dramatic (bad crashes.) I finally got used to the lack head tube / handling on the Evo.. but the plush ride wasn't worth the trade off, so I'm back on a std Stumpy. I was thinking that the turbo levo may be my next bike, but I'm still in okay shape for an "old guy" , so I will likely get a Stumpy 15 before I go electric. I still want the high intensity sections in my rides, and think that eMtn would eliminate that health benefit. Shrugs, I really don't know.
@@dft1 its more so about the reliability of cables vs wireless. Guaranteed there will be plenty of occasions after long ride you forget to charge your batteries. So those times you wanna go for those last minute after work rides only for your battery not to have enough juice. Clearly a huge mistake for specialized not to make room to install routing spaces for your shifter cables.
I’m assuming there will be an alloy version. I’ve seen a video about fox’s new dropper post and I think the bike shown was the stumpi 15 alloy version. So hopefully the alloy version is more affordable.
I was so excited about a new Stumpjumper and I am actually in the market for a new trail bike. The Stumpjumper 15 Comp would be an amazing option checking more boxes than I will ever need but…no one wants a battery powered transmission. I will wait for the cable actuated derailed option next year.
So the new Stumpjumper has a proprietary rear shock, requires an expensive battery powered SRAM drivetrain (no Shimano) and the base model starts at $5500. Yep, sounds like Specialized.
You don’t have to use that shock and personally I’m not going back to mechanical. I love it. Shimano is behind with the wireless for now. I don’t personally understand why people are so stuck on mechanical. It’s harder to maintain.
@@skibum1976 when you’re gear shifting gets out of whack, it’s the click of a button vs needing tools to adjust or tighten the cabling. I’m not saying it’s a prominent issue. I’m saying when it happens, it’s an easier fix in my experience. It’s definitely faster shifting especially under load.
@@kentao4I can appreciate that and you taking the time to reply, but still i have no issues with XTR shifting: it’s extremely rare that I need to make an adjustment and on top I’ve no battery.
In this bike market they are charging those prices? ...and require you to have batteries to work your bike? Have owned over 22 bikes and never a Spec and I guess that will cont.
No thanks. Boring looking for superbike prices. The only people who will buy this are converted brand loyal roadies. And the resale value will be 1/3 in 2 years. That price and no mechanical shift option rules this out. I live in Washington and have to replace cassettes every 9 months and derailleurs every 2 years. No way am I committing to $800 a year of drivetrain upkeep. This bike can politely F off
That is a good point. It's a nice when you first buy a bike to have a high end derailleur, but after it eventually gets broken, I usually just go with something that works. No way I'd want to be shelling out that kind of money to replace a derailleur.
Seems like an awesome bike that I'd definitely be interested in if I did have Stumpy Evo. I wonder how the Genie would go in the previous model?....... I MegNeg'd my ebike and it was night and day.
Review says he liked running no tokens and says he's not bottoming out? I'm 190lbs and can bottom out stock 1 outer band and the stock .2 main chamber just by bunnyhopping in my driveway. Now at 2 bands and green main chamber (I think 0.4) which is huge improvement and will trying 3 bands in outer to keep it riding higher in the travel.
In my opinion, the “new” bike is not an innovation from Specialiced. If you look closely you will see a lowered >Epic< with standard trail/enduro characteristics. but it looks damn nice, even if the wireless issue also bothers me...
Seat tube angle on the old is listed as 76,9 vs 76,5 on the new Bike, both S4 in the "standard" configuration. Did I miss something here or has it gotten slacker? I would be keen to try, owning the last gen Stumpy evo an loving it.
It looks small also got emtb vibes, it would probably just need a cutout?! 😅 I'm not a huge spechializer fan from the start but I don't trust the Spech/Fox shock, give it a season or two before buying in my opinion that nobody asked for. Wireless shifting only. Definitely a future ebike platform 😂
Piggy back shocks have more oil and that's it. They perform better on long descents but anything outside of that there's no difference with a non-piggyback shock. The tech in the Genie is about the air spring but yes, it does not have a piggyback so it may get hotter on a long descent. On the flipside, Specialized often has a light tune on damping to make it feel more active so heat may or may not be an issue. I would assume that we will see piggyback shocks with Genie tech soon but for now this is all we get. I wouldn't be too worried about piggyback unless you live next to a gondola.
None of this is new. The stumpy Evo is adjustable head tube angle, high and low bottom bracket, you can mullet. It just now looks like every other bike
Not a huge amount to seperate it from the previous gen EVO on paper, but it’s been tweaked here and there to improve its performance. And the new GENIE shock is pretty sweet.
Also, they ditched the asymmetric frame support but kept the yoke which I hate on my Evo. I went with a Hightower instead of the SJ15 based on the above, and not wanting a 38 on a 150mm bike. Also, I’m over matte paint. Absolutely a pain to maintain.
@@justinfournier1285lol you hate all the things I put specialized above the rest for! I absolutely hate gloss. I just wrap them. This should pedal better than the evo and that’s what I’m worried about.
@@kentao4 I have a matte Evo and a matte Fuse, but the Ridewrap in matte changes the colour. So you can very easily see where the gaps in the panels are. Gloss hides much better. Matte you can’t remove scratches from and every rub on it becomes a semi-gloss streak. Where you rub against the frame when you ride goes semi gloss, it just looks a lot more beat up. I can deal with that but I really don’t want another yoke bike. I don’t want to say the yoke is ok now with the Genie shock so it’s ok, because the genie is trying to make an air shock perform closer to a coil and I already have a coil on my Evo @ 157cm. My evo is setup all mountain. Moving closer to trail category I have a 145cm Hightower and a 120mm Trail 429 Enduro. All of the above are custom builds. So why do a SJ15 now? Ugh. I was stoked for an Evo replacement. Guess I’ll wait for the Enduro
@@justinfournier1285 my evo is matte too. I hear what you’re saying but still like how it looks better. I hear you about the evolution of replacement. I’m actually trying to have a single bike closer to all mountain and then all day pedaling. Evo is good but hopefully that genie shock helps me get closer to a one bike to truly do everything. I’m not as hard core for an enduro. I’m heavier at about 220 and just wanted a beefier bike. I’m really deciding between the epic evo and the stumpy.
I don’t mind the electronic shifting and don’t really know how forced electronic shifting will go but I think it’s interesting specialized continues to try to charge these prices when the market is flooded with bikes. This might be my next bike (not this model) but I think by the end of year, def by spring, we will see some sales all over again. 9k is out of control. There’s not that much new tech to raise prices this much. Spec relies too much on the hype of a new bike.
is the dropper insertion depth little deeper than the previous version? that's the only complain I have about by stumpy Evo, I cant fit a 200mm dropper in it.
Bro, I have a 210mm One-up dropper on my Stumpy Evo and can even go to a 220. Don't know what dropper brand you're using but maybe worth looking at One-Up?
189cm and was comfortable on S4, but have proportions and preferences that push me towards downsizing. 180cm means you could ride S3 or S4 okay, and likely the S3 would be the ticket for nimble, but S4 would be a better all rounder.
Can anywhere explain how they are able to run a coil when this model has less progression than the previous EVO? People were already needing to use a cascade link or something akin to Rockshox HBO to keep from frequent bottom outs.
Lighter S-Works frame? I understand it's the same carbon frame on all models. No provision for a cable drivetrain is absolute silliness. And forcing me to go mullet (I would fit an S2), which I absolutely don't care for, is crazy. I'll pass.
@@SomeOldDudeMTB You should try riding one. I found it to be sluggish, plus you're disconnected from what's happening, so can't moderate power vs. shifting as accurately. Also, if you forget to charge it, the ride is done. The derailleur cable can fail, sure - but can be fixed in the field.
@@TheBabylonJohn I've been using SRAM's AXS for 2 years and prefer it over my my mechanical shifters on my other bikes. All positive for me with zero negatives, ok maybe one..the battery. It lasts long enough though so never had an issue.
This looks identical to the YT jeffsy…. Doesn’t appear to be anything like the Swiss Army knife of the previous generation… it’ll probably cost and arm and a leg… bidenomics happened to this bike…
Would you care to expand on this? Looks like a solid trail bike. Yeah it can alienate people with no option for mechanical derailleur, but most people just ride the bike as it's built anyway. Obviously they'll lose some prospective buyers who only want to run a cable operated drive train. On the other hand they'll win over a lot of people who wanted to try SRAM transmission, but can't afford it on low end builds. The SJ comp is only $100 more than a SJ evo comp MSRP.
