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A CRAZY Elden Ring DLC Theory! | Miquella is Melina Reaction 

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Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree Gameplay Trailer just dropped and its packed FULL of information. We breakdown hidden details from in the DLC gameplay trailer. Elden Ring is a 2022 action role-playing game developed by FromSoftware. It was directed by Hidetaka Miyazaki with worldbuilding provided by fantasy writer George R. R. Martin.
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@timdiggity
@timdiggity 26 дней назад
Dude, thanks for watching! The response to my video has been crazy. Huge fan of your work!
@Ziostorm
@Ziostorm 26 дней назад
Great video! Love these theories and hope you keep sharing them 🔥
@Vihbe-Chaan
@Vihbe-Chaan 26 дней назад
@@Ziostormher hand is burned and she talks about it too and the cocoon hand is also burned
@jamesbell8253
@jamesbell8253 25 дней назад
What about Melina and Mesmer being the same person huh?
@T-Jack733
@T-Jack733 25 дней назад
I think Melina was burned by Mesmer a long time ago. That's why she's burned and has no body and why Mesmer was banished. And Merika brought Melina back as a memory at the foot of the Erdtree. A rebirth if you will and Melina has to go back and remember her purpose and it's to fully burn the Erdtree and bring about a new age something Mesmer tried to do a long time ago and now Merika set up the stage for it to be finished and for the new age to come.
@hassangames9134
@hassangames9134 25 дней назад
You COOKED PERFECTION
@attacker-2
@attacker-2 26 дней назад
I've been holding this theory back from the world... Margit and Morgott are the same person. You're welcome.
@Practicallypreposterous
@Practicallypreposterous 25 дней назад
If they're the same person, then why can Margit show up on the Leyndell battlefield after you killed Morgott? Smh
@fourdayz1414
@fourdayz1414 25 дней назад
Margit and Morgott also start with the letter “M”. There might be something there
@Dpickles
@Dpickles 25 дней назад
WHAT?!?🤯
@umwhoalol
@umwhoalol 25 дней назад
It's funny but that probably was the first mind blowing thing most people learn Edit- ya lol to explain, Margit uses a little of holy summoning magic, making it look like it's exactly morgott under his old anonymous name in leyndells army, when he defeated radahn in the opening cutscene. However the more likely explanation than it being a summon or a projection of holy magic, is unfinished content, with Margit maybe having been planned to be another brother, and at the last minute to explain the reuse of bosses, they tied the lore in and made the reused bosses implied to be remembrances or ashes of war themselves, explaining mohgs extra.
@Deejusd
@Deejusd 25 дней назад
that might explain why they have the same stick
@alanthe2
@alanthe2 26 дней назад
I can’t wait for the dlc to answer none of my questions
@SonOfLum
@SonOfLum 25 дней назад
No, no, it'll leave you with more questions, lol
@bannedguysomebannedguy8309
@bannedguysomebannedguy8309 23 дня назад
Lmao I know right?
@jonah11111
@jonah11111 23 дня назад
And then for Vaati to answer them after all
@alanthe2
@alanthe2 23 дня назад
@@jonah11111 As is tradition
@Karma-cs1mk
@Karma-cs1mk 17 дней назад
😂
@marvcollins7842
@marvcollins7842 26 дней назад
The real unanswered question of Elden Ring is "what will I do with my life after I finish the DLC"
@bobincognito
@bobincognito 26 дней назад
7:49
@etinarcadiaego7424
@etinarcadiaego7424 26 дней назад
Go through every Soulsborne title again.
@sariathebrave5259
@sariathebrave5259 26 дней назад
Play the next soulslike title
@bluecat.
@bluecat. 26 дней назад
Wait for sekiro 2
@Silvanohnerizz
@Silvanohnerizz 26 дней назад
Replay it
@kevinannu676
@kevinannu676 26 дней назад
The Snow White crane, Ranni’s teacher…. IS the Coral Ice Worm on Rubicon
@RecusantEcho
@RecusantEcho 26 дней назад
Now this is the lore video we all need
@kylesprenkel680
@kylesprenkel680 26 дней назад
"Got a Job for you 621" Melina probably meme format
@adeoyesimeon3821
@adeoyesimeon3821 25 дней назад
Who let bro cook?
@xersrt
@xersrt 25 дней назад
That’s cannon
@dude_who_likes_3d_modeling
@dude_who_likes_3d_modeling 25 дней назад
Yes
@shrinkwrapninja
@shrinkwrapninja 26 дней назад
I noticed that you made a major error in this vid. You said that, "ranni puts kale to sleep with the purple mist." ranni actually puts Kale and his donkey to sleep. I'm surprised and disappointed that you would miss something like this. Lolol love the vids!
@Ziostorm
@Ziostorm 26 дней назад
lol I’ve been exposed
@r3gret2079
@r3gret2079 25 дней назад
The donkey is St. Trina. Lol
@greathorn
@greathorn 25 дней назад
Actually the donkey is just pretending to be asleep. He didn’t want to embarrass Ranni
@melik1985
@melik1985 25 дней назад
Ah, the Furtive Donkey, so easily forgotten...
@dynamicflashy
@dynamicflashy 25 дней назад
What donkey? All I saw was Kale and his dog.
@FlyingFox86
@FlyingFox86 25 дней назад
Don't forget the crab that can put you to sleep. Clearly, that crab is also Miquella.
@l.o.v.e-sick5330
@l.o.v.e-sick5330 23 дня назад
A few days ago I shot a runebear with sleepbone bolts and it fell asleep. _You_ can put things to sleep. Rogier says that, quote, "people want to trust you". Who else is stated to be able to compel trust and affection of others very well, pray-tell? One of the keepsakes you can start with is Bewitching Branches, which are associated with who? That's it, boys. We cracked the code. You were Miquella all along!Which means that crab and Melina are also you, since they are Miquella, and Miquella is you.
@bretthake7713
@bretthake7713 20 дней назад
Miqrablla*
@ericwalker6477
@ericwalker6477 День назад
Not according to the 4 fingers
@wastefox9100
@wastefox9100 26 дней назад
Funfact: Melina don't appear in the frenzied flame ending, if she burned herself at the giant's forge before you went to the three fingers.
@ChaoticUrges
@ChaoticUrges 26 дней назад
I knew my game wasn't bugged
@eclips_total2215
@eclips_total2215 26 дней назад
"The good ending"-Shabiri problably
@nickgreenhow5513
@nickgreenhow5513 25 дней назад
This is actually how I beat my second run, kinda just picked up the frenzied flame afterwards and I didn't have a BITCH in my ear telling me I can't have a fire or whatever.
@MrStarpeto
@MrStarpeto 25 дней назад
Exactly my ending, couldn't be happier❤
@ninjack11
@ninjack11 25 дней назад
truly maidenless
@roaaaar
@roaaaar 25 дней назад
One thing that is stil very strange is how Melina can know so much and even have the ability to teleport us to the Round table and Gideon Offnir to never drop a single word on her.
@pdamasco
@pdamasco 23 дня назад
She would have tried to hide from him IMHO. She knew he wasn't the chosen tarnished because clearly Torrent took one sniff of Gideon and went. NOPE, he's not worthy. I see him being a pain in our butts actually. He's gonna try to off the chosen one cause he Jelly 😣
@justice999
@justice999 13 дней назад
​@@pdamasco "ah, i knew you'd come, to talk shit about me in the comment section"
@RavenGamingOverLord
@RavenGamingOverLord 8 дней назад
@@justice999 Indeed we have
@BobbyMattson
@BobbyMattson 25 дней назад
You only see Melina when you REST at a site of grace. Rest = Sleep.
@randconfig8626
@randconfig8626 25 дней назад
Brooo... I never thought of that
@edst8600
@edst8600 25 дней назад
but you can call her for battle with Morgott
@jefftheindianchief8279
@jefftheindianchief8279 25 дней назад
@@edst8600 The player character was sleep walking, obviously! Er...Sleep fighting.
@andrewevitts2870
@andrewevitts2870 25 дней назад
​@@jefftheindianchief8279 the Tarnished is so GOATed they don't even need to be awake to spank Morgotts satyr ass
@Bhubnipz
@Bhubnipz 23 дня назад
Rest does not equal sleep in any context other than Pokémon 😂
@caliaid
@caliaid 26 дней назад
I like that the three (Melina, Miquella, St Trina) would complete the tripartite being suggested in the prefix “tri” of “St Trina” (and otherwise reinforced by the 3 petaled lilies and other trinity references)
@caliaid
@caliaid 26 дней назад
…huh, re: divesting his flesh, Miquella’s corpse does look burnt, and all the bodies around the Mogh arena are burnt and bursting with fire…
@shaolinshefgaming400
@shaolinshefgaming400 25 дней назад
​@@caliaid That could be because blood in Elden Ring is tied to a type of flame, notice anytime you use a "bleed" weapon on anything that reacts to fire, they react in the same way
@puzzleheaded6195
@puzzleheaded6195 25 дней назад
That’s super interesting. There’s an item in the game that’s directly states the “rule of three” is an omen. It reads: “Foot of a four-toed fowl. Material used for crafting items. In the Lands Between, **having three digits is seen as a bad omen.** As such, the rarer four-toed fowl's is a gift of great luck indeed.” Makes me wonder if it’s very intentional that many things regarding Miquella/Malenia have the rule of three. For example, triple rings of light, three butterflies, Malenia’s three blooms required for godhood, and even the Miquella/Trina Lilly’s have the three symbolism on them just like you said. Really gives triple goddess vibes don’t it? Mother, maiden, and the Crone Imo
@fourdayz1414
@fourdayz1414 25 дней назад
⁠​⁠​⁠@@shaolinshefgaming400 that’s specifically weapons and spells to do with bloodflame. They deal additional fire damage Regular bleed weapons will do regular bleed damage
@dynamicflashy
@dynamicflashy 25 дней назад
@@puzzleheaded6195 ​ Don't forget: the Three Fingers; the Three Sisters in Caria Manor; and Mohg counting down from three (tres)
@echidnaburger02
@echidnaburger02 26 дней назад
I wonder if Melina is similar to Millicent in the sense that she is the part of Miquella that he divested to enter the Land of Shadow. This would make her lack of memory and affinity with Torrent make more sense.
@swamp-yankee
@swamp-yankee 25 дней назад
Here’s another skitzo idea. Could Mesmer also be a fragment of miquella then? He has another M name and melina burned her body prior to the events we participate in, and is opposed to the erdtree. Mesmer is also unknown to Gideon. Just an idea.
@Bhubnipz
@Bhubnipz 23 дня назад
Millicent grew from a scarlet bloom so I’m not sure how you would consider them similar even in your own scenario
@echidnaburger02
@echidnaburger02 23 дня назад
Millicent herself says that she embodies the dignity and pride that Malenia abandoned to match Radahn. Yes, her and Melina's possible origins are very different in nature, but Millicent definitely sets a precedent for separated aspects of godly beings being able to become their own people once separated from them. Even Radagon could be an example of this, if you subscribe to the idea that he was split from Marika to remove the curse of the fire giants from herself (I personally don't but I won't completely write it off)
@shira_yone
@shira_yone 21 день назад
@@Bhubnipz it could happen since Miquella divested his flesh and embedded himself into the Haligtree, waiting to _bloom_ into adulthood. Miquella wants to pursue his own goals, but his mother instilled in him her wishes; maybe Melina is that separated part of him that is still strictly loyal to Marika. In the DLC trailer we see an adult Miquella, so it's safe to say he succeeds in overcoming his curse, despite Mohg's intervention. Maybe nobody knows who Melina is because like Millicent, she exist relatively recently in the aftermath of the Shattering.
@justingabriel1765
@justingabriel1765 16 дней назад
I would like that a lot more then them being the same person. More of her being a manifestation of his will or something, I even think it’s possible that Miquella himself could infact be Melenas parent, and instead of Marika it was Miquella.
@thesilentabyss8563
@thesilentabyss8563 25 дней назад
Imagine you open a random door in the dlc and you end up in the round table hold, like the one you've been in the whole game.
@Darkheart00
@Darkheart00 25 дней назад
Enter Leyndell
@thesilentabyss8563
@thesilentabyss8563 24 дня назад
@@Darkheart00 I know but I'm saying literally the same place.
@justingabriel1765
@justingabriel1765 16 дней назад
Oh like that door in the Room that Fia killed D in, that door is locked and you end up just walking right into Hewig lol 😂, I think that would mean that we’d have to explore some place that would eventually be on fire, because so is the round table when you burn the Erdtree
@Arastat1
@Arastat1 16 дней назад
Miyazaki already told in an inverview that this won't happen, the Shadowland is a completely isolated instance.
@edsnark3781
@edsnark3781 26 дней назад
I like the theory, I can see Melina being St Trina as a way to be a go between for the black knives and Ranni. I also like the theory of Godwyn being a martyr and we find out they were all in on it to hide the deed from Marika (Ranni, Miquella/Melina, Malenia, Gowdyn) because it involves bringing back destined death to the lands between which the golden order 100% doesn't want, but Godwyns death goes wrong and we have miquella wracked with guilt, perhaps it is what causes the infighting with the rest of the family. Very George R R martinesque IMO.
@Practicallypreposterous
@Practicallypreposterous 25 дней назад
Screenshotting this incase you're right and I'm short on Reddit karma
@PBart7
@PBart7 21 день назад
That's a very interesting and unique theory!
@rafaelcardoso165
@rafaelcardoso165 26 дней назад
There is one spot in Liurnia at night, where you can see clearly the Full Moon behind the Erdtree, and there is a veil, the grace is Eastern Liurnia Lake Shore, as soon as you arrive, pass time to night, then just walk a bit in the direction you can see the Erdtree, then you see the Full Moon and the veil.
@TheSkyfolk
@TheSkyfolk 25 дней назад
You can see those thin translucent rays better from caelid, and they're completely straight. Not a veil unfortunately, I wanted to believe you but in trying to confirm it in game, I debunked you instead.
@dynamicflashy
@dynamicflashy 25 дней назад
I think those are light rays. It's visible throughout Eastern Liurnia at night. If you look at the Elden Ring map, the same rays are visible around the Erdtree.
@fishsticks2965
@fishsticks2965 25 дней назад
@@dynamicflashy my boyfriend saw them and showed them to me, and I thought they could almost resemble the gaps between the veils? you can see them in limgrave also, and they look more scattered like they're supposed to just be light rays but I wasn't certain.
@MossOwnsYouYT
@MossOwnsYouYT 26 дней назад
Watching a video of Ziostorm reacting to a video of Timdiggity referencing information brough up by Ziostorm is a cyclical insanity I hadn't realized I needed. You're right there alongside Tim; putting everything together a few seconds before he mentions it.
@timdiggity
@timdiggity 25 дней назад
I know, right? This was surreal to watch
@garbagegrove2533
@garbagegrove2533 25 дней назад
Now what if Timdiggity does a response video to justify Ziostorm’s contentions while playing this reaction video.
@MossOwnsYouYT
@MossOwnsYouYT 25 дней назад
@garbagegrove2533 Honestly? It would be hilarious, especially when it swings around to Zio watching Tim referencing the old Zio vids. Like, 4 layer deep schizo-theorizing. The video would have it's own iceberg level of background.
@emotionalsupportnoodle
@emotionalsupportnoodle 25 дней назад
Ranni uses a mist for sleep, which could be a spell. Melina touches the tarnished and he falls asleep, I can’t think of any other instance of that happening in the game.
@BRONCOS997
@BRONCOS997 25 дней назад
With the theory of ranni and malenia/st trina working together to take out godwyn, maybe malenia/st trina gave ranni the spell to use sleep mist to give the player torrent
@crozraven
@crozraven 26 дней назад
the argument that make the most sense is these characters connection to our horse companion torrent.
@etinarcadiaego7424
@etinarcadiaego7424 26 дней назад
Torrent is Miquella's horse.
@AzariahWolf
@AzariahWolf 26 дней назад
What are you talking about? Clearly the best argument is that both names start with M!
@BLP04
@BLP04 26 дней назад
This whole argument really just boils down to “we’re never told she isn’t Miquella” and “they got da same honse”
@crozraven
@crozraven 26 дней назад
sometimes, it IS that simple & totally right under our nose
@FlyingFox86
@FlyingFox86 25 дней назад
I think the image of St-Trina, with the mark on the left eye, is also pretty convincing.
@KodFrostwrath
@KodFrostwrath 25 дней назад
5:58 i'm not sold on Melina = Miquella, but about the Ranni Sleep VS Melina sleep: Melina puts you to sleep after direct touch, displayed clearly via cutscene, which implies she innately has something sleep-related to her. The method used by Ranni is completely undisclosed, meaning she could've used sleeping pots or anything else. So he is correct, in fact Melina is the *_only one we are aware_* that has *_this sort_* of ability. 12:49 cmon dude, not a single laugh? xD you need to humor yourself a bit more 20:23 yeah I really think those are isolate things, not really related. 24:12 Idk what youre into, but the ring never left the corpse's hand. Maybe it is cut content that I was not aware. 27:22 do it. Considering how Miquella is described (somewhat 'manipulative'), i'm 100% sure he has a finger on a lot more things. I personally believe that Miquella is the one that teach Ranni about how she could get rid of her corpse and encouraged that. I dont believe Ranni was that smart to know how to create such rituals. And the only other smart and 'innovative' figure we know is Miquella, and his intelligence and capacities are praised multiple times in the game.
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 25 дней назад
Yes but st Trina is described as a child just as miquella is. Melina is all woman
@rickisnothome
@rickisnothome 24 дня назад
@@BlackViodst trina is also both claimed to be a man and a woman so,,,
@shira_yone
@shira_yone 21 день назад
@@BlackViod Miquella in the DLC video trailer also doesn't seem like a child, so maybe after he attain adulthood Melina's form followed, who knows
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 21 день назад
@@shira_yone who knows, we shall see. I still don't think Miquella would sit by and let you kill the one person he's worked tirelessly to save. Remember everything he's doing is in the name of saving his sister and his brother.
@august3777
@august3777 25 дней назад
At this point, with everyone in this game also being someone eles, I wouldn't be surprised if someone came out with a theory that Boc is actually Radahn.
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 25 дней назад
Or Millicent is the reincarnation of Melania and her true power won't come through until Melania dies and she spawns from her cacoon?
@IronSideBA
@IronSideBA 25 дней назад
@@BlackViod thats a bit of a stretch considering they literally interact with each other before the events of the game
@notbateman4298
@notbateman4298 24 дня назад
The elder ring characters would be masters of catfishing
@GodfreyFirstEldenLord
@GodfreyFirstEldenLord 24 дня назад
Well there’s an argument given the fact that boc gives you mushrooms and mushrooms are closely associated with the scarlet rot which happens to be infecting radahn. Also radahn behaves like an animal and boc is an anima just further strengthening the believe that elden ring is about duality. Just like radagon is Marika radahn is boc
@GodfreyFirstEldenLord
@GodfreyFirstEldenLord 24 дня назад
@@IronSideBAactually I’m fairly certain some guy said that there was an entire Dialoge after finishing the Millicent quest that confirms that Millicent actually is malenia just like the other sister and when you do the questline there’ll be a unique cutscene or smth so it isn’t completely stupid
@leperface
@leperface 26 дней назад
This music feels like I'm in a Dreamcast options menu.
@ripdeyu
@ripdeyu 25 дней назад
I can tell you the last song is from ridge racer!! R4 It was sampled by jpeg mafia :D
@jmssun
@jmssun 25 дней назад
Funny thing is dreamcast is one of the power of Saturn, color is purple… literally St Trina
@nightshadehelis9821
@nightshadehelis9821 24 дня назад
I genuinely miss those days. "it's thinking 🍥"
@joesaiditstrue
@joesaiditstrue 11 дней назад
ridge racer type 4 OST is sprinkled throughout his video
@mattb6616
@mattb6616 26 дней назад
it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Melina is a cloned bud of her mother the way Millicent is a cloned bud of Malenia. The major clue to this is the fact that they wear the exact same clothing, but they also behave in a similar way. They have memory loss, they search for meaning in life and feel pulled in one direction but can choose to forge their own path instead, they have some relationship with their mother and are compelled to return to them, etc. Melina is Marika's daughter. Marika was the Gloam-Eyed Queen and forced into obedience to the Greater Will by her empyrean shadow, Maliketh. This is why Marika resents Maliketh and only has a single use for him, to hold her old power of Destined Death somewhere a chosen Tarnished can steal it back.
@mattb6616
@mattb6616 26 дней назад
Melina is Marika's only child without another parent. She's asexually reproduced, like the opposite of "grafting". Marika took a cutting of herself and cultivated it into a new body, the way Gowry did to Malenia to create her daughters.
@user-mp6tu7ro7x
@user-mp6tu7ro7x 25 дней назад
woah dude omg i am going to crazy with this theories
@streptococo4735
@streptococo4735 24 дня назад
@@mattb6616 makes more sense than to think Melina is somehow Miquella. Which would be pretty insane since it means Mohg stole the wrong guy all this time.
@BoudiciaDark
@BoudiciaDark 25 дней назад
"M" dude, "M". Case. Closed.
@thomasdevlin5825
@thomasdevlin5825 25 дней назад
Something that gets really interesting to think about in the context of this theory is that one line about St. Trina he brings up "Some say she was a comely young girl, others are sure he was a boy". I think this could be a situation like Radagon and Marika being the same person, but actually two unique people at the same time, Radagon and Marika aren't just two consciousnesses in one body, when one wants to do something they physically swap bodies. Most people just assume that line in the St. Trina's sword is referring to Miquella's androgynous appearance, but maybe the reason nobody can agree on their gender is because they're followers were actually interacting with two different people without realizing it, some of their followers met Miquella and some of their followers met Melina, and in reality they're both St. Trina
@lelecasualgamer
@lelecasualgamer 26 дней назад
Maybe the hand in the cocoon belongs to Messmer and the shadow lands in the dlc is a memory version that can only be accessed by touching Messmer's hand. Mohg might've stolen Miquela's body to bring him to the shadow lands for some reason.
@randywilliams6248
@randywilliams6248 25 дней назад
I've wondered about this as well. Good theory
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 25 дней назад
I'd be down with this theory if the actual purpose of cacooning himself was to evolve to save his sister.
@Neglefarot
@Neglefarot 25 дней назад
It does look like a thin tall guy 👍
@randywilliams6248
@randywilliams6248 25 дней назад
Doesn't Mohg's blood attacks have a flame effect when he uses them? I don't think they all do, but pretty sure some do have it. He could be under the impression that it's Miquella's blood and in all reality, it's Messmer's
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 25 дней назад
@@randywilliams6248 mesmer could be miquella corrupted by mohg's blood
@MGHL9898
@MGHL9898 26 дней назад
AgentJake had a really interesting theory that Ranni and Godwin were actually supposed to be the God and Elden lord of the next age. Building on that, I think theres potential to the fact that, Godwin may have martyred himself willingly for Ranni, knowing that she refused to be a "puppet" to the 2 fingers, making himself, in a way, a god of death. All while Marika was unaware.
@eprimchad2576
@eprimchad2576 25 дней назад
Idk if he martyred himself seeing as we see the black knives holding him down and murdering him.
@randconfig8626
@randconfig8626 25 дней назад
​@@eprimchad2576if it didn't look like he was assassinated, then Marika would've caught on to Ranni's plan (in this theory at least)
@MGHL9898
@MGHL9898 25 дней назад
@randconfig8626 yeah that's kinda the idea. It's asserting that Ranni and Godwin were closer than what we are led to believe in game. That she confided in him that she didn't want to aquiesce to the two fingers, and planned to sacrifice herself, perhaps entirely to do so. Hell, maybe Godwin is the one who came up with the idea of splitting the rune of death so she could get her age of stars while he became a God of death.
@reign1594
@reign1594 25 дней назад
Hmm
@scragglie
@scragglie 25 дней назад
agt jake is a clown and has no clue what hes talking about 99% of the time. id take any of his videos with a small grain of salt.
@2JOfficial
@2JOfficial 24 дня назад
Something I want to add, I don't think it's Ranni that puts Kale to sleep, I think Melina puts Kale to sleep so that Ranni can give you the summoning bell. Everybody thought it was Ranni because Ranni is sitting right there, but there's no indication that it was actually Ranni.
@Bhubnipz
@Bhubnipz 23 дня назад
….no indication other than she is logically the one who would do it. What indication is there that it was Melina?
@shira_yone
@shira_yone 21 день назад
@@Bhubnipz for one, Melina have precedent of putting people to sleep. I don't remember whether Ranni ever did such a thing other than this one instance (if it is her doing). Not a strong evidence admittedly.
@stefanjackson1127
@stefanjackson1127 26 дней назад
What if Marika is just a Mimic Tear. She's a Ditto to the world of Elden Ring
@mmatthew97
@mmatthew97 25 дней назад
If Melina is Miquella/Trina, that would mean I fell for another dude, it would be Gwyndolin all over again.
@CukMcGee
@CukMcGee 25 дней назад
Fr
@Moody.Smiruai
@Moody.Smiruai 25 дней назад
Miyazaki is trying his hardest to make us fall for the gay traps.
@Malenia_BOM
@Malenia_BOM 24 дня назад
You fell for a dude with tentacles. 😂😂
@azizella2778
@azizella2778 20 дней назад
Nah but to be fair Melina is a girl even if she's part of Miquella 😂
@RavenGamingOverLord
@RavenGamingOverLord 8 дней назад
@@azizella2778 Are sure you about that?
@Vivian-qv7xc
@Vivian-qv7xc 25 дней назад
What I find strange is that he doesn't mention all the dialog Melina has about Marika and that she quotes her directly. I always wondered how Melina knew about what Marika said
@blz267
@blz267 25 дней назад
damn ER fans go so deep into the lore that i even thought i was watching a documentary and a theory about history of our past, it's very entertaining for someone who doesn't know much to hear about the counterpoints of someone who knows as much as the person who came up with the theory, nice work to both creators
@GodfreyFirstEldenLord
@GodfreyFirstEldenLord 24 дня назад
Well tbf melina only visits you when you’re at a site of grace and what do you to when you’re at a site of grace? You rest or in other words maybe you sleep/dream. That’s why it’s entirely possible that melina is miquella
@GodfreyFirstEldenLord
@GodfreyFirstEldenLord 24 дня назад
Well looks like someone else already commented that so I guess we’re on the same page
@epiccthulu
@epiccthulu 26 дней назад
The maidens of successful tarnished are ALL turned into Kindling, as seen with Vyke, Sabari’s dialogue, and Bernadt (the dude from volcano manor that sells you stuff and jumps you). So they are all kindling maidens
@wiremesh2
@wiremesh2 25 дней назад
Referring to sidesaddle as a "strange position" made me chuckle the first time I heard it, and here again. :P
@square-table-gaming
@square-table-gaming 25 дней назад
I've been on the same thought train as you Zio about the collaborators of the night of black knives, but each participant had their own motives. Ranni, her freedom, Miquella, the revival of his brother to be a godly consort to his haligtree, Rykard, to fight back against the Erdtree and Marika to escape her role.
@Ziostorm
@Ziostorm 25 дней назад
Definitely some overlapping paths with all of that. I doubt it was as simple as just a murder
@xiloveninjasx
@xiloveninjasx 25 дней назад
The amount of the video keeps saying it has been “confirmed” is giving me strong Ancient Aliens vibes.
@mage1439
@mage1439 18 дней назад
Yeah, not a big fan of "I have total proof" followed by very precarious circumstantial evidence and ignoring evidence to the contrary.
@Mameoth
@Mameoth 26 дней назад
The arm in the cocoon looks more like Messmer's than Miquella's.
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 25 дней назад
Miquella underwent a transformation in his cacoon. So what if mohg corrupted his transformation with his blood and mesmer was the product of that corruption?
@nefarious8278
@nefarious8278 25 дней назад
Maybe Miquella has fooled the whole world and his evil
@shippuunotenshi2
@shippuunotenshi2 25 дней назад
Personally my theory would be instead that Messmer and Melina are related, either by being twins, or the same person separated ( in the same way as Radagon/Marika) as both seems to have a link with fire and "creating trees" and it's already speculated that Messmer already burned the Erdtree, making it the first cardinal sin.
@sulfenir2477
@sulfenir2477 21 день назад
to add another parallel to the list, something is going on with both their left eyes. from the promotional material I've seen, messmers left eye is always closed just like melina (until frenzied ending).
@shippuunotenshi2
@shippuunotenshi2 21 день назад
@@sulfenir2477 exactly!
@stormquist9405
@stormquist9405 25 дней назад
Pretty good fit for "the secret" yet to be discovered that Miyazaki recently referred to
@xperimental839
@xperimental839 26 дней назад
RIP to all the Melina Stan’s that thought they weren’t gay
@javiersoto5223
@javiersoto5223 26 дней назад
Miquella is a girl. Watch the dlc prove it. The evidence is there. I would also bet money the voice of the dlc trailer is miquella and it definitely sounds feminine. And u can't say its because miquella is a Child because you can clearly see a grown version in the trailer.
@mitchryan257
@mitchryan257 25 дней назад
All the more reason this theory cannot be true.
@DarkBeforeSpawn
@DarkBeforeSpawn 25 дней назад
​@@mitchryan257 yep, you're gay dude
@streptococo4735
@streptococo4735 24 дня назад
To be honest Melina being Miquella is quite insane. It is more likely that Melina is just a clone of Marika the same way Millicent is a clone of Malenia.
@xperimental839
@xperimental839 20 дней назад
@@streptococo4735 Sounds like copping to me lmao
@Blockvard
@Blockvard 25 дней назад
With their argument about the burning. Melina could just aswell be a burnt and bodiless Ranni. Her soul etched to the doll and her discarded great rune returned as Melina. Hence the matching sealed eyes
@edasayg5774
@edasayg5774 25 дней назад
I believe you need to burn yourself in order to live as a spirit or live in spirit world. Ranni's body is burnt and she is a spirit, Melina is burnt and is a spirit, Miquela's corpse looks burnt and he's in the spirit realm, maybe Mohg's bloodFLAME has something to do with it. Burning yourself seperates the soul from the body.
@certifiedcib7958
@certifiedcib7958 25 дней назад
5:47 lol Zio mentioning the next point and acting like he hasn’t watched the video yet is hilarious 🤣
@certifiedcib7958
@certifiedcib7958 25 дней назад
Nooooo He does it again at 9:50 😭 that’s so annoying 💀
@snefansson
@snefansson 25 дней назад
I just realised that it’s now less than two months left until the DLC and we might finally actually get some more info
@h13n12
@h13n12 26 дней назад
it's just a theory but maybe the godskin being more susceptible to sleep is because they were/are fighting against the frenzied flame and so being more easily influenced by sleep would help them sooth the effect of the frenzied flame should they be inflicted(but this does rely on the cut content being the intended lore so there's a high chance of it not being true).
@heinrich4208
@heinrich4208 25 дней назад
I believe the shining figure in the DLC trailer is not Miquella, but Godwyn the Golden. First indication of this comes from the trailer itself: To reach the land of Shadow Miquella had to divest himself of his golden lineage. Godwyn's story also seem to parallel the story of Balder in northern mythology, and if the Shadow lands are connected to the afterlife this serve as a further parallel to the Balder myth.
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 25 дней назад
Would his soul reach the afterlife? It was kind of destroyed in the ritual...
@bringoutthegimp636
@bringoutthegimp636 24 дня назад
Nah interview with fromsoft confirmed it’s miquella
@hurtboychulo7371
@hurtboychulo7371 26 дней назад
I personally subscribe to the Gloam Eyed/Dusk Eyed connection but it's nice the community comes together so we can try and tie it all together 💎
@fulmenmoon40
@fulmenmoon40 22 дня назад
I actually think that Ranni was the gloam eyed queen defeated by Maliketh, who then resorted to murdering Godwyn to get her way. A godskin is guarding her body.
@tristanneal9552
@tristanneal9552 20 дней назад
Oh I really like the idea of the orange energy being the Crucible. We know from recent interviews that the Shadow Erdtree is actually its true form, so maybe Miquella is in the Land of Shadows to graft his Haligtree 2.0 directly onto the Erdtree.
@kientmartin5447
@kientmartin5447 26 дней назад
Broooo!!! And she puts us to sleep at the fire giant!!!
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 25 дней назад
If she were truly miquella, you would've never laid a finger on Melania.
@IronSideBA
@IronSideBA 25 дней назад
@@BlackViod shes optional
@gixelz
@gixelz 25 дней назад
so?@@IronSideBA
@fabiancarrera4123
@fabiancarrera4123 25 дней назад
​@gixelz it means that lorewise, we never actually fight Malenia. Just like Gwyndolin in Ds1. You can fight him but lorewise he gets consumed by Aldritch in Ds3
@kientmartin5447
@kientmartin5447 24 дня назад
@@BlackViod true. I wonder how he will feel in the dlc because of that?
@jimstanz4731
@jimstanz4731 25 дней назад
I just realized this. You mostly see Melina when you are RESTING at a grace. Trina only visits people in dreams. Sleep is also involved with her other appearances in the cave of knowledge and at the Flame of the Giants. That could be intentional design. I'm still highly skeptical of the theory but its just one more small connection.
@Pedro_the_Bear
@Pedro_the_Bear 3 дня назад
The arm in the cocoon and Mesmer's are are the same. Miquella probably kidnapped him with their love power.
@micheleallocca9366
@micheleallocca9366 25 дней назад
Watching this video an idea popped in my mind. I'm italian and i think it's interesting, at this point, to realize that trina in my language Is actually the feminine of the Word "trino", that refers to the christian concept of trinity: "father, son and holy Spirit". It Is certainly a stretch, but knowing how Miyazaki Is passionate about Italy and the divine in general, might have used the name trina for an entity that Is actually three different ones: Miquella, melina and trina or even Miquella, melina and the gloam eyed queen
@BLP04
@BLP04 26 дней назад
Brought to you by the same people who think the Carthus Sand Worm is Solaire
@swyjix
@swyjix 26 дней назад
Real, as in faux, as in ersatz, as in as if, as in hoax, as in cap, as in fake.
@SteelKreel
@SteelKreel 26 дней назад
wait wot
@MetaSonic543
@MetaSonic543 26 дней назад
It’s not?
@buckyhurdle4776
@buckyhurdle4776 26 дней назад
@@MetaSonic543 No one knows if it is or not, including this very confident commenter.
@amadhollow635
@amadhollow635 26 дней назад
He is👀 Sorta It’s the sunlight maggot having eaten him
@GenghisTron
@GenghisTron 26 дней назад
Artorias is Maliketh change my mind
@willzjohns556
@willzjohns556 26 дней назад
You right man
@etinarcadiaego7424
@etinarcadiaego7424 26 дней назад
Kale is Iosefka.
@skeeplebop
@skeeplebop 26 дней назад
This is my attempt at changing your mind: ... Did it work?
@Jbeckjs
@Jbeckjs 25 дней назад
Oh my god that’s hilarious hahaha
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 25 дней назад
Artorias wouldn't be forced to damn himself, he chose that path. Maliketh was commanded to do so. The disrespect. You owe artorias and sif an apology.
@rookiesenpai9540
@rookiesenpai9540 26 дней назад
We know that when given a grace the body of that individual goes through a form of change (when we defeat margitt and then see his real body being held by his father) so it’s not a far stretch to claim that a grace may give someone unique abilities of their particular god, like for example they might be able to separate their soul from their bodies into another or even split their soul into fragments.
@ZeroReaper42
@ZeroReaper42 25 дней назад
I've always felt that Melina is a result of the Shattering. The description for Marika's Hammer states it was both the tool used to shatter the Elden Ring and the tool used to repair it, due to Marika and Radagon fighting each other's will on what to do with the Elden Ring. And in that process, Melina was "born" from the Shattering and was born at the foot of the Erdtree. That's why she can be considered an Empyrean because she was created from the actions of Marika and Radagon, but there was never time to assign a Shadow to her, and how she's connected to Marika's echoes considering how she still has some Elden Ring left in her.
@twogifsonecup
@twogifsonecup 25 дней назад
Bro I literally messaged you about 10+ times on discord explaining this entire theory to you last year. At this point I have the oldest post on reddit explaining this theory as well as a new post summarizing the latest version. I absolutely am claiming credit for coming up with this theory first and have been telling everyone about it for 2 years to make sure I get that credit. So glad to see everyone coming around now!!!
@cosseybomb
@cosseybomb 25 дней назад
This theory is pretty bad considering all other facts in the game
@CukMcGee
@CukMcGee 25 дней назад
Na bro I said this 2 years ago. Give me my flowers
@twogifsonecup
@twogifsonecup 25 дней назад
@@CukMcGee when i posted there were only 2 other reddit posts about it but they have been deleted. why'd you delete your post. [gives flowers]
@eprimchad2576
@eprimchad2576 25 дней назад
Youre taking credit but there was already 2 posts about it? Very convincing pal you did it!! You solved elden ring and got the updoots!!
@lolardwtf
@lolardwtf 25 дней назад
@@eprimchad2576 lmfao and he thinks that everyone in the world who's come up with a theory since has seen his reddit post.
@williamstephens2466
@williamstephens2466 25 дней назад
100% thought Zio had more melanin lol
@InsaneGreatsword
@InsaneGreatsword 22 дня назад
This theory makes it so that there is a non-zero possibility that the Gloam-Eyed Queen is Melina who is also a Black Knife Assassin/Numen warrior who is also St. Trina who is also Miquella who is also Torrent’s former master ( The list was in no order btw)
@Swampboiii
@Swampboiii 14 часов назад
First saw this vid from AgtJake Very happy you covered it as well man!
@ETERNALXGAMEPLAY
@ETERNALXGAMEPLAY 26 дней назад
Sleep is the cousin of death Melina is the empyrean of the former great tree which is being over shadowed by the erdtree which was grown so that people could have a proper death cycle
@ETERNALXGAMEPLAY
@ETERNALXGAMEPLAY 25 дней назад
So if anything Melina and Mequilla are aunt and nephew working together
@sillythewanderer4221
@sillythewanderer4221 25 дней назад
@@ETERNALXGAMEPLAYwhat reason do you have to think that the great tree is different from the erdtree?
@ETERNALXGAMEPLAY
@ETERNALXGAMEPLAY 25 дней назад
@@sillythewanderer4221 it simply was the tree before the erdtree it was grown during the rise of intelligence across the lands between starting with the profit depicted all over Moghwyn palace
@ETERNALXGAMEPLAY
@ETERNALXGAMEPLAY 25 дней назад
Ps. The great tree was prophesied by that character shortly after flown eye queen aka Melina and Marika are labeled as empyreans
@shaolinshefgaming400
@shaolinshefgaming400 25 дней назад
Sephiroth is St. Trina using his powers to trolling us in the lands between
@matheusbecker2351
@matheusbecker2351 25 дней назад
Sephiroth is strong enough to cast meteors, but even he is vulnerable to gravity.
@shaolinshefgaming400
@shaolinshefgaming400 25 дней назад
@@matheusbecker2351 idk about that the man flies with one wing
@fortheloveofexy
@fortheloveofexy 22 дня назад
Also worth noting - Melina's hair is the same dusky purple as the shade of purple associated with St. Trina. All of Marika's other children either have golden hair or red hair, except for her.
@dalog9194
@dalog9194 25 дней назад
12:45 I would also like to add that since for us to be able to access the dlc, we need to travel to the land of shadows by touching the hand in the cocoon BUT we need to have freed the stars by killing rhadaan first. So if melina is miquella then we shouldn’t be able to access the round table hold before killing rhadaan by the same logic
@daniellord-vera6987
@daniellord-vera6987 26 дней назад
the kaka consumer is definitly the tarnished one
@gg-itzpg2212
@gg-itzpg2212 25 дней назад
I was thinking melina was mesmer
@jamesbell8253
@jamesbell8253 25 дней назад
Thank you! I haven't heard anyone talk about this
@gg-itzpg2212
@gg-itzpg2212 25 дней назад
Same i been meaning to post about it for a while
@jamesbell8253
@jamesbell8253 25 дней назад
@@gg-itzpg2212 that also makes Mesmer the counter half to the Gloam eyed queen. I think Melina is Miquellas doing but by meddling with the spirit of Mesmer after the first cardinal sin. That's why her body is burned and i believe that's what's in the cocoon. Also explains Mesmer s flame black flame and the hatred for the frenzied flame
@benedictprove3937
@benedictprove3937 25 дней назад
23:26 I'd say that there's a fair bit of evidence that there is some history between St. Trina and the gloam eyed queen. It would cement the double helix as Miquella's symbol, rather than just something to do with outer gods. The double helix ring in particular is interesting. We see it on Messmer's crest, on the Haligtree knights, and around the roundtable hold symbol.
@OutsidersLaptop
@OutsidersLaptop 25 дней назад
Feh. I had this silly thought a year and a half ago. I was randomly thinking about last names for potential characters, and when I got to 'St. Clair,' my brain went "Hey, what if St. Trina's just a person's last name? Like, 'Melina St. Trina'?" -- then all these rusty gears started turning inside my head. I should get that looked at.
@dimpies9759
@dimpies9759 26 дней назад
That Hand in the cocoon is probably Mesmers hand. Just occurred to me. Long lanky arm just like Mesmer
@umwhoalol
@umwhoalol 25 дней назад
Probably not tbh with ya, mesmers appearance is probably just based on miquella because they wanted to give us a miquella boss fight, or at least another demigod boss fight and great rune. (Was just one of the unfinished things on the to do list when they rushed the game out)
@Darkheart00
@Darkheart00 25 дней назад
@@umwhoalol all of your comments pertain to calling the game’s lore implications as a result of “rushed” product😭😭 I even saw you imply that Margit was rushed because they look exactly the same, as if Genichiro doesn’t exist (you fights him the exact same, 3 different times in the game) lmaoo. Both characters aren’t rushed.. their purpose is to serve as a ‘pursuer’ archetype. Reoccurring lol. Oh and Miquella’s body is big because his soul was defiled out his body. Not because the game was rushed💀💀💀. I don’t think you can even infer that the game was rushed purely based on something that the player is NEVER supposed to see (inside Miquella’s cocoon). What does his body being big got to do with a game being rushed😂
@umwhoalol
@umwhoalol 25 дней назад
@@Darkheart00 huh? The game was rushed because quests were unfinished and slashed down, there was no colosseum, half the endings are half a line of dialogues difference, the main ranni quest is poorly translated til the actual endgame cutscene, the areas like the forbidden lands are implied to be important(they exist in all early builds maps) but never got any reference in lore besides a Map description, etc etc. Hey guy, if the game wasn't rushed, then why did they did immediately add in a bunch of content like quests and colosseums? Or do you have an answer as to how exactly the giants on the mountain tops died? Cus it sure looks like an unfinished area to me.
@vera39440
@vera39440 19 дней назад
​@@umwhoalol first souls game huh
@umwhoalol
@umwhoalol 19 дней назад
@@vera39440 No, I started with demon souls on the ps3. I just actually play video games, am not dumb as a box of rocks by groupthink, and have heard the interview where Miyazaki talks about how they wanted to introduce a lot more, and have seen all the reworks in the coding through the development process that people have posted on RU-vid. Guess what, game was unfinished. Here derp. Also it is the best game ever made imo, but I purposely kept that part out to troll all the dipstick groupthinkers like you buddy.
@simonjohnson3424
@simonjohnson3424 26 дней назад
Very interesting and fun theory. Not too sold on it, but I can't say it isn't possible, and I kinda want it to be true. For me the biggest problem is that it just feels weird that Miquella would be 4 people at once: Himself, Melina, St. Trina, and The Gloam-Eyed Queen. There's one thing I would like to add though. It's to do with the way Miquella could compel other people. I think Melina sort of has this element as well. You need to accept Melina's accord to enter Leyndell. You literally cannot beat the game without doing what Melina asks of you. Melina is compelling you to accept her accord and help her get to the Erdtree. Maybe it's a minor or irrelevant input, but I think it helps the theory out at least
@ApplePi3.
@ApplePi3. 25 дней назад
I think we can get answers about Melina without her coming back. It would make sense for her not to be featured in the DLC because players could be at various points of the game, some having burned her, some not yet etc
@Ellemonadze
@Ellemonadze 26 дней назад
Saw this video few days ago and thought immediately that you will bring this up
@flawlesssportscardsandcomics
@flawlesssportscardsandcomics 26 дней назад
This will be the most epic dlc ever released
@samplexample
@samplexample 7 дней назад
The Gloam Eyed Queen is another name for St. Trinia, who is Miquella’s alter ego. How is that hard to understand? Timdiggity hit the nail on the head. DLC will give it context but that’s it.
@nukepower57yt54
@nukepower57yt54 26 дней назад
I love learning Elden Ring lore from your uploads, and a lot of them are thought provoking!❤
@Darksaige
@Darksaige 26 дней назад
I came across this video when it dropped and said "it sounds plausible but I don't know anything. If Zio sees this he'll clear it up"
@bladej7688
@bladej7688 26 дней назад
Timdiggity is the elden ring Einstein! 😂
@SocraTetris
@SocraTetris 25 дней назад
I figured this one would get over to you pretty soon. I'm just glad i caught that video before you did! Lol
@SocraTetris
@SocraTetris 25 дней назад
There are other veiled spaces other than roundtable hold or the land of shadow. Namely the Evergaols, which are also powered by purple magic. Seems more likely to associate that with sleep than with gravity
@Cybermaul
@Cybermaul 26 дней назад
Counterpoint to the last shot in the trailer. That's Godwyn the Golden, after the Tarnished frees him from Deathblight. Also, Melina can't be the Gloam-Eyed Queen, because the timeline is wrong, and Marika is the Gloam-Eyed Queen.
@kaibrunnenG
@kaibrunnenG 25 дней назад
Pff. The DLC is mostly about why Miquella is going to the Shadow Realm. That last shot is Miquella. Godwyn might be a surprise Boss fight to give him a true death.
@chocobo4646
@chocobo4646 26 дней назад
The point that the Trina's Torch face looks like Melina reminds me that before the game even came out, people noticed that Ranni's 2nd, ethereal face is shaped like Melina's. I also noticed how the strange marking on Melina's eye is gone in the Frenzy ending. It has noticeably left an imprint, but it's not scarred. It's more like when you wear something so long that the skin it covered got paler. The other point on the Torch is that it's kinda cracked all around, so the "scar" on the face can be just a crack or chip. It explains why it doesn't actually look to line up with Melina's tattoo-lookin' thing. It comes down from the center of the eye then goes down and slightly to the right rather than curving to the left from the right of the eye. I always thought the thing on Melina's eye was a piece of metal when I first looks at it. Made it leaving an imprint in the Frenzy ending more logical. But after looking at it a bit more, I think it's an actual marking like a tattoo. Maybe a seal of some sort that she removed to face the world the Frenzy Flame left behind. Anyway, cute theory but not at all convinced. Things like Torrent could be as simple as Melina not being considered his master. Just someone holding onto him. Former doesn't have to mean last either. And powers attributed to Miquella and Trina aren't necessarily unique to them. Plenty come and go from Roundtable, and Ranni obviously knew some sleep magic, so Melina surely could as well. They all could even have overlapping goals and similar interests while being distinct individuals quite easily. Glad the theory's out there at least.
@BlackViod
@BlackViod 25 дней назад
The marking isn't gone, it's dulled like the seal was broken. And that can only be explained by the release of destined death at malikeths defeat...you know the one who took destined death from the gloam eyed queen and sealed it away and left her with nasty burns and scars?
@AIbatrozzxs
@AIbatrozzxs 26 дней назад
I commented this idea a month ago on Your video "who is messmer the impaler". It always bothered me how melina background was kinda lacking, but it was not lacking. It was there the whole time lol
@ianmaxwell6291
@ianmaxwell6291 25 дней назад
Never saw a less entertained look than Ziostorm watching "they both start with M, so they are obviously the same person" 😂
@stephjjb
@stephjjb 25 дней назад
If they wanted to make a connection between Mohg holding the hand in the cocoon and the player holding melina's hand to go to the round table, they would have made it the same animation. Not only is the animation different but the hand that's on top is swapped with your hand being on top in one situation and mohgs on the bottom in the other
@Afri_Boy15
@Afri_Boy15 26 дней назад
Women in medieval times will ride a horse sideways or with both legs together to protect their HYMEN to prove and keep their VIRGINITY. That information should be shared and explored more when comparing Melina and Miquella
@mementomori8991
@mementomori8991 26 дней назад
What?
@scheherazade2291
@scheherazade2291 26 дней назад
It could also just because you have to ride side saddle if you wear long skirts.
@izackholmgren4686
@izackholmgren4686 26 дней назад
I dont like reaction content
@mito569
@mito569 26 дней назад
then dont watch it?
@pixy01_
@pixy01_ 26 дней назад
Don't watch
@QuantumTelephone
@QuantumTelephone 26 дней назад
​@@mito569 let him voice his opinion. Ziostorm wants the feedback
@mito569
@mito569 25 дней назад
@@QuantumTelephone this is not a feedback
@QuantumTelephone
@QuantumTelephone 25 дней назад
@mito569 you're right. I mean if his audience didn't like the reaction content, he would want to know.
@nefarious8278
@nefarious8278 24 дня назад
cool theory, but id be kinda disappointed to find out that the most mysterious character in the game turns out to just be an alter ego
@NwahlinsFlava
@NwahlinsFlava 26 дней назад
I eat this stuff up, man. Love these reaction videos. Keep em coming!
@yamidom9134
@yamidom9134 24 дня назад
😎👍✨ I love this video and love the whole crazy theory ideas. I think dude has something there. I can't wait for DLC
@intalek305
@intalek305 25 дней назад
Well I don't think Melina is Miquella, or that the body in the Cocoon, is Miquella, but I do think it could be Messmer, and I think it's possible that Mohg and Messmer to some unknown extent are actually being used by Miquella as a conduit to the Formless Mother. I think Miquella, if he is truly modeled after you know who from Berserk, is gonna try and usurp Mohg's Dynasty and make contact with the Formless mother, get all the blood he needs for the Haligtree from the Formless Mother herself, change it's properties to heal afflictions and Malania of the Scarlet Rot maybe by combining the unalloyed gold with Bloodflame, and possibly even cure Godwyn of the death blight. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the clip of a bright glowing Miquella in Golden Flames isn't exactly that. Unalloyed Bloodflame or something. If the Formless Mother really has no intention of intruding on the affairs of the mortal world Miqualla could have found his perfect choice for an Outer God who would not meddle, and provide a true unalloyed golden order with a full fledged Haligtree powered by an endless supply of blood from the Formless Mother. All completely separate from the Erdtree. Also, I can't help but wonder if: 1. Marika was in fact the Gloam Eyed Queen, 2. That when Maleketh defeated her he sealed death for her to maintain the Golden Order, but it was a lie because Marika is secretly plotting for the Nox, but told him this to cover her true intentions. 3. That Malaketh was the Death of the Demigods because he was the right hand of Marika as the Gloam Eyed Queen. 4. That Malaketh eventually defeated Marika as Gloam Eyed Queen and the Godskins because he was ordered to do so by the Two Fingers because Marika as the GEQ burned the old tree. 5. The period in which Malaketh defeated Marika was the missing piece of the transition from the The Crucible era to the Erdtree Era a lor of people are missing. 6. I think Maleketh took the Gloam Eye from Marika upon her defeat as the GEQ and that's why it is a stone eye in his possession. 7. I think Melina actually inherits Destined Death the way Marika did as the Gloam Eyed Queen when Destined Death was released back into the world, and while she was not the previous GEQ she is the new one if not burned. 8. I think the spear in Marika's side may be a wound from Malaketh's Blade that reappered only when Destined Death was returned to the world, just like the reason why the Erdtree burned in that moment. Could be all the ways Destined Death was used returned as well. 9. I believe that the transition from Marika being the Empyrean GEQ to becoming a god and the vessel of the Elden Ring was a punishment of the Two Fingers, not a reward, and they they gave her not only the Elden Ring at this time, but they also gave her Radagon. This not only was to turn her into the perfect Rebis, but as a check on her future actions. Remember, Radagon's driving motivation was achieving perfection, but I think this is actually the driving motive of the Elden Ring itself, and Radagon may be a personification of the will of the Elden Ring itself. 10. I think Radagon is a manifestation of the Elden Ring itself, in perfect opposition to Marika and therefore a perfect punishment AND a perfect Rebis to make new Empyreans. In fact I think Radagon has been slowly taking over Marika over the years, but she still has control, and mocks him for it, which is why she also won out, and shattered the Elden Ring, because she is a God, and Radagon is not. 11. I Think it's possible the reason she was upset, if at all over Godwyn's death, may be because Godwyn was possibly an actual Empyrean not born of Radagon? Which begs the question if actually possible, how could Godfrey have an empyrean child? I imagine even if conspiring against the Erdtree Marika would find extreme value in this. Does anybody know this to be true or false? 12. I think the age of Plenty was a ploy by Marika to weaken the "Crucible" tree, before eventually burning it. IDK, these are some of my crazy theories, but I had to put them down SOMEWHERE to make sense of it all.
@Yuxuss
@Yuxuss 2 дня назад
Another thing to note is that we find Melinas clothes next to a Scarlet Aeonia bloom in the brace of the Haligtree. Right infront of Malenias arena.
@ravoniesravenshir3926
@ravoniesravenshir3926 25 дней назад
Its called Riding Side Saddle... and Side Saddles do exist.
@tkc37
@tkc37 25 дней назад
the one standing in front of the cocoon at the beginning of the trailer looks like melina
@FatSouls21
@FatSouls21 24 дня назад
12:34 Roderika like us also possess the ability to call forth spirits and gives us the jellfish spirit, she can aloso upgrade them. This migh have made her notable to beings like rani and melena and got her an invite to the table
@shavooo
@shavooo 2 часа назад
my theory is that it's a "three part" type of deal. Malenia is actually Ranni's former physical body with Miquella's soul trapped inside it and the corpse you find ontop of the divine tower is actually Godwyn's real former body NOT the abomination you find at the roots of the erdtree NOR the one hidden beneath castle stormveil. Both of them are merely recreations/replicas of the actual Godwyn.
@SomeWheats
@SomeWheats 25 дней назад
The hand in the cocoon might as well have been a dried up Messmer all along for all we know
@johncrondis4563
@johncrondis4563 26 дней назад
I do want some points about the kindling maiden part, and I don't feel if it was Miquella there would be memory loss. However, due to the fact that Melina doesn't like the frenzied flame and St Trina tries to help the merchants subdue it, and how Miquellas needle takes it away although the original intention was to take away the god of rot's influence...I feel there is connection there in all that.
@anonfinally1692
@anonfinally1692 25 дней назад
I have this theory way back that I always wanted to look more into but I do not have time and resources anymore: I think when Marika was having a hard time winning against Caria/Liurnia she got desperate and thought the solution was just to destroy her enemy from within. So she devised a plan, but this plan is kind of blasphemous as it involves fragmenting yourself like how I believe Malenia fragmented herself with Millicent as her "pride". Removing this pride because she was about to face Radahn, said to be one of the most powerful demigods, so she will not hesitate to use unprideful powers (such as unleashing the full power of Scarlet Rot) just to win. Marika needs someone to infiltrate the Carian royalty but this task cannot be given to anyone else. That's why she divided herself to birth Radagon, the side of herself that values the Golden Order the most. This is an insurance that whatever Radagon does he will never betray the Golden Order. But the plan backfired because now we have a Marika that has less love for the Golden Order and a Radagon, a sleeper agent, who loves it above anything else even more than his family with Rennala explaining how he left them easily. Marika now longing to end her wars of unifying everything under the rule of the Erdtree but this does not exactly mean under the Golden Order. I think it is easier to replace than the Erdtree. Now she might have no direct control on Radagon so she only knows he serves the Golden Order but she doesn't know if he still serves her. So she recalls Radagon back to forge herself whole again. But this could've been a trigger. Ranni now is under the control of the Two Fingers, her father left and her mother is turning insane. Her family shattered and her fate sealed to walk the same path as the woman who destroyed her life. So Ranni, along with her brothers Rykard and Radahn devised a plan to exact revenge to upend everything from the Fingers to the Erdtree and everything in between. Rykard helps Ranni to plan the Night of Black Knives and Radahn halted the stars to pause Ranni's fate of being a God until she finishes their revenge unbeknownst to him that Ranni's fate was actually finding the Fingerslaying Blade all along. But Malenia happened and Radahn's mind fades because of the Scarlet Rot. That's why I feel like the order of killing Radahn hurts Ranni but it is a kind of mercy and a necessary evil. Now, first meeting Ranni she uses sleep, an ability more associated with Miquella. Also she knows Torrent and the steed's former master. What if Miquella and Ranni coerced Marika to disband the Golden Order (Miquella having the power to influence others or charm them also would want to destabilize the Erdtree for his Haligtree)? Marika now convinced, tricks Maliketh and helps Ranni steal a fragment of Destined Death. Maybe she had to trick Maliketh instead of asking for it directly because Maliketh might suspect something that could be tied directly to Marika or maybe Maliketh will not approve of the plan. The Night of the Black Knives happen, and every piece is in place. Except, Ranni betrays Marika. Instead of granting Godwyn true death she tried to circumvent "death of soul and body" by killing Godwyn's soul, dealing a solid blow not only to the Golden Order but turning Marika's Golden Child and firstborn into something horrible. Then she offers her body to be released from the clutches of the Fingers. Two birds. This could explain why: - Marika went berserk and shattered the Elden Ring - Why Radagon was trying to mend it (he was loyal until the end) - Why Black Knife Assassins was in Caria's estate near the end of Ranni's questline. They were close to Marika and could have been sent by her to hunt Ranni down but when they arrived at the estate only Blaidd and Iji was there and Ranni's plan was already in full bloom. - Why Radahn halted the stars even though he is a fan of Godfrey So sorry for the long text and lack of good formatting. Thank you for reading.
@anonfinally1692
@anonfinally1692 25 дней назад
Miquella's side and his true intenions: I just remembered: Ranni's path to become God made her kill her Two Fingers and usurp the Age of the Erdtree. Through her questline she seems to understand the steps all along. But what if Miquella also knows how his godhood comes? What if Miquella's path is to go to the Land of the Shadow as one of the steps to his ascendance? Marika began there as well so there could be something there. And in accordance to my theory before, what if the reason he helped Ranni tricking Marika is because he is eliminating competition. Three Empyreans and one God: - Miquella helps Ranni succeed with the Night of the Black Knives. What if he knows Ranni plans on killing herself as well so he helps her thinking she isn't interested in godhood and he is unaware of Ranni's true plan. - Miquella helps Malenia get rid of her Scarlet Rot. What if Malenia's path to godhood was giving in to the God of Rot but Miquella succeeds in removing it? - Marika the current God is weakened at least by Ranni's betrayal according to my speculation above so again Miquella weakens another competition. Miquella has been said in the DLC as terrifying yet what we see in the base game is a kind person who gives abundance but maybe behind the scene is a dark secret. Miquella is also described as intelligent couple that with his charisma I can't help but feel like these is the trait of sociopaths. Sorry if this is too harsh English is not my best language. I think Miquella is in the Land of Shadow because he is ascending to godhood. Maybe even being kidnapped by Mohg is part of his plan. Remember the lines "I presume you are keen to know just what kind Miquella is doing here.", him giving us torrent and now guiding us to the Land of the Shadow gives me the vibe that Miquella chose us to become his Elden Lord for his new Age. Maybe another ending will be added by the DLC? Again thank you for reading. Also I noticed in the new trailer the knight holding the pot has pillars with twist design behind him and I feel like I also saw it in a part of Volcano Manor. And the lord of the manor is snake the same things Mesmer is associated. But this is just speculation.
@3k4landrew
@3k4landrew 19 дней назад
The round table hold is inside the Erd Tree, that’s why when you burn the Erd Tree the round table hold is also on fire when you visit it.
@MilkyJoe73
@MilkyJoe73 25 дней назад
Can someone exaplain to me how melina can be miquella if melina burns herself at the forge? I suppose she could live on in the shadow realm or something but I thought she was already a spirt/ bodiless. Does this mean she would be a ghost of a ghost in the land of shadow if she was miquella lol?
@-TriP-
@-TriP- 6 дней назад
There's also an interesting theory floating around that the Gloam-eyed Queen is the goddess of the darkmoon and that Ranni and Melina are her twin daughters (proposing that Empyrians are always "opposite" twins born of a single god) and that they're not related to Marika or Rennala at all. It's building on the theme of dualism and the balance of the Sun (the erdtree) vs the Moon.
@TeaGarrison
@TeaGarrison 25 дней назад
My dude, what you said when you first paused were my thoughts exactly when I watched tim's vid. It's too easy to tie Melina to almost anything in the game because she is essentially a hole in the story which we can currently fill in a variety of ways, for now. First she was Marika's daugher, then the Gloam Eyed Queen, then she was just Melina, and now she's Miquella? I know some of those theories don't overlap but I still can't buy any of it until the DLC is out and people have had time to really dig in.
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