Who Is Messmer The Impaler? | Elden Ring DLC 

Exactly. And mfs think GOWR & Spiderman 2 has better "narrative" 😂 Just cuz Elden Ring's narrative isn't in your face, doesn't mean it has no narrative. Once you dive deep into the lore, it's one of the best narratives in gaming history.

Elden ring is my first souls game and I have been blown away by the depth

Yup. What’s more promising is that Miyazaki said that the Shadow Lands are in George R.R. Martins original lore-book for Elden Ring. We’re really about to get peak lol I agree with the person above me, I am truly baffled when hearing Sony players complain about Fromsoft’s storytelling. The worldbuilding and story is more unique and has more complexity than anything they’d produce even 4 years from now😂 Michael Zak (and GRRM) is literally just built different

Bluds don't know the Dark Souls and Bloodborne depth💀 No one even fully uncovered it's lore

@@muramasa870elden rings lore is more fascinating for sure, dark souls lore is over avter ds3 and bb is just a lovecraft related lore, not much to be impressed of, sonytards just have to bring it up when they feel suffocated by elden ring game/lore/art design superiority

I was about to say this too. Very different voices.

Its not a matter of opinion, its infact someone else saying this. Messmers voice actor when he does the "bereft of light" line sounds completely different. Not sure why Zio didnt catch that.

Idk my instinct was always that it was the same voice, just a different tone for each line one calm and composed and one alot more passionate and antagonistic. I mean it could easily be 2 different people but the voices just have a very similar feeling of a serpent-like undertone to me that makes me think it is Messmer's voice in both lines. Or maybe I'm tone deaf i guess we'll find out.

it not opinion bro.. Its fact

@@matthewgrigg1285this is what I thought as well, they sound similar, but just in different tones. Could be wrong though

but is there a ancient dragon that drops a dragon heart? I may be wrong, but I think they only drop from their lesser relatives, and if so, i don't think the ancient dragons would start a war for it

@joaovictorrodrigueskosugi4936 to think of it, you are right. I dont think antient dragons drop them. Idk it was just an idea i had.

@@cpupyroheart5716still might have some truth to it, we don’t really know much about the ancient dragons in that regard, things could have been different In the before-times

They don't drop hearts because their hide is too tough to cut through to get their hearts. Who knows what Messmer is capable of.

@@joaovictorrodrigueskosugi4936 the modern dragons may be lesser but i dont think its too much of a stretch to think the ancient dragons wouldn’t take kindly to their kin being hunted. Its only a matter of time before people start wondering how the ancient dragons could aid in their transformation

As a Romanian from Transilvania this similarity was pretty apparent to me too, it would be a very good plot in my opinion

It's very interesting too because Vlads father and grandfather came from modern day Albania and fled to Bulgaria then Transylvania running from the Turks and this give me heavy warrior refugee vibes that's all over certain characters in Elden Ring

Interestingly enough, both Vlad Tepes and Messmer share a dragon motif; Vlad's father was "Vlad The Dragon" and Messmer has that winged snake familiar and possible dragon communion eyes.

And i was gonna say i wonder if this is GRRMs character or was made later by fromsoft

@@schnoz2372the whole content of the dlc is in the original lore book made by GRRM ! witch is the best part

AC6 was supposed to be our filler until DLC release date. Interesting.

Holy shit

Remember Mordecai from Elden Ring News? Look at the number of his last video.

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I think this might just be a cool coincidence - America is the only place that uses 6/21 instead of 21/6 like the rest of the world.

We don’t have the full context of that dialogue so let’s not jump to conclusions. It’s currently out of context in the trailer and more can easily be said.

agreed. my guess is Messmer is the last surviving child of the Gloam Eyed Queen and Placidusax and he's been hiding out in the Gloam, or shadows.

​@@simonealcazar816 Exactly. No one has any idea, no matter how much they pretend to

I actually think that is Miquella who says that refering to Messmer 🤔

So ye, that voice might actually be Miquella

This could possibly be why Godfrey and Marika split up. Godfrey discovering that Marika was messing around would threaten her image and in retaliation she banished him before he could expose her 🤷🏽‍♂️

SHE'S FOR THE STREETS

​@@sk8legendzshe's for the shadows.

This is definitely one of the more obscure parts of Elden Ring's lore. To me the Giant's Braid whip mentioning the fact that Radagon always hated his own hair color is a hint that Marika used giant's blood to make him. She was a Numen, from which the original Albinaurics descend from. It makes sense that she would look for ancient magic to make herself a new husband. And considering Radagon's wolf also has red fur and wields magic, it's almost obvious that he himself was like an Albinauric from the Consecrated Snowfield. Maybe he was grafted to his wolf when he first met Rennala on the battlefield. Back on the war against the Giants, I aways assumed Godfrey had to burn the Erdtree the firsrt time around to reach the Elden Ring. Around the same time period Marika broke the rune of Death to make the Golden Order, creating Thoso who Live in Death by proxy. Then she hid ~what she believed was~ the only piece of Destined Death at the Heart of the Storm beyond Time. I really hope the DLC expands upon the elements involved in this part of the story, because the transition from Godfrey's Order to Radagon's Golden Order was all about adding magic to the understanding of the world. Going through giants' and dragons' flames, as well as many aspects of the Crucible. This may be the land from which Marika stole Destined Death from the Gloam-Eyed Queen. That decaying skeleton-horsething screams "Godskin" to me. They at least HAVE TO give us one area to explore red glintstone. No one is mentioning the thornlike shadows within Messmer's flames. The Fire monks use bloodthorn spells against us. That's enough proof that bloodthorns are also related to fire. Thorns are pretty much the missing link between fire and death.

@@derieksimon6260 Well, the whole purpose of banishing the warrior lineage was to for them to be away from the meddling of Greater Will, so that when Marika herself initiated her scheme by shattering the ring and fatally weakens the Greater Will, the Tanished (or more specifically, Godfrey) could then return to finish the job. I personally don't think Godfrey was being cheated or anything like that, since he seem to be quite enthusiastic about his return to home lol.

Eochaid you say? Like Eochaid’s dancing blade

@@TomClarke1995 Well, that just made things interesting. I just did some researching and the Marais Executioner's sword has this in it's description: "Elemer of the Briar, the Bell Bearing Hunter, snatched the sword from the site of his looming execution, and furnished it with battle skills from his home of Eochaid". More Interesting though, is this part of the description of it's smaller brother, The Regalia of Eochaid: "Treasured sword of Eochaid, a lesser, long-vanished domain".

​@@amannamedsquid313 Considering the connection between Eochaid and Miquella, perhaps maybe the DLC is going to take place there?

Ooo the sfuff about Eochu gives me LOTR Rohan vibes Maybe it’s inspiration? Their shields and armor look somewhat Celtic as well

I took a closer look at it, and they are REALLY similar but not the same. The Dung Eater's sun has the rays of the sun around it and it's more circular, while the face on the Wicker man is more oval and it has circular patterns and horns around it. Also if we wanna be really specific, the faces also have slight differences, but it clearly shares many similarities. One reason why i believe why they might share a common meaning is because Dung Eater was born a human with the soul of an Omen, and the Wicker man has horns similar to that of the omens around the giant mask.

Agreed it’s very similar but definitely not the same, with some potentially significant differences.

​@@HML_Secondaryand omen soul is just a crucible soul with no apparent crucible marks on a body

Did you notice or did another youtuber notice and you watched their video lmao

@muramasa870 That's even more suspicious because in the DLC trailer, we see orange flames clowe to the color of the crucible and new crucible incantations...

he would have the be first child otherwise the theory wouldn’t work because wouldn’t he be mentioned by his older sibling(s)? unless his name is forbidden and they all do a great job at being quiet but im sure it’s forbidden anyway if he did set the Erdtree ablaze but him being the eldest makes more sense and is more convenient i think

and also he probably wasn’t worried about being a candidate but rather questioning his”mother” judgment by making/selecting a tarnished to be elden lord “one so bereft of light” because from wat was shown/said apparently he despises/hate tarnished souls “ones without the grace gold” or “being bereft of light(grace)”

​@@Deejusd The walking mausoleums also hold the bodies of soulless demigods, they are Marika's unwanted children, maybe he is one of the unwanted children that didn't have their soul destroyed

I noticed this too… my initial thought when i first saw his flame in the trailer was that it was corrupted/imbued with Godwyn’s deathroot somehow

Definitely looks like a mix between fire and thorn sorcerey. Messmer likely created this flame himself rather than happen upon it by accident. Its even called "Messmer's Flame" in the trailer so it's likely a completely new school of fire incantations

@@antonironstag5085 ooh good note there, it is specifically called messmers flame. I do wonder though if maybe the iterations of flame and briar in the base games are just parts and pieces of the original messmers flame. Like since he was erased from history, if people in the lands between stumbled upon bits and pieces of his legacy and misinterpreted it, thus causing all these other schools that are just parts or aspect of his original. My head canon is going wild sorry if this is unhinged Bois

@@antonironstag5085 god, i hope you're right

@@Sadonyx Rykard developed the gelmir sorceries from ancient hexes. Given the snake imagery in Volcano Manor, those “hexes” could also be a part of Messmer’s flame

No it's talks about PROHETS, prophets in Elden ring are apart of the golden order and follow the erd trees teachings/greater will, the description says "the flame of ruin is anathema to the erdtrees. But prophets sometimes glimpse it within the faith all the same. Sadly when this occurs their sole reward is banishment" many prophets have seen the burning of the erdtree and when spoken outloud they are shackled and banished forever to wander nowhere does it claim a single prophet nore insinuate please re read lore

And the fires deadly sin talks about when prophets seen the burning of the erdtree, they were then shackled and banished which is what happend to you if you picked the prophet beginning

Probably why those who can’t see grace and can’t see the erd tree’s glow get treated so bad cause they’d know the truth just by looking at it

Sounds very compelling to me! Great find bro!

L take

Could also be new growth, when trees grow or are damaged they start the process of growing/regrowing branches which tend to be a much lighter color than the older parts of the tree.

​@@markarato8034 It's been discussed to death by other YT creators. 😅

Melina is a child of Marika as she verbatim said she was born at the foot of the Erdtree 🫥. She isn’t some random female who just had divine powers and information about the world for no reason 📰. Here is a quote: “Me, I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless.There is something for which I must apologize. I've acted the finger maiden yet I can offer no guidance, I am no maiden.My purpose was long ago lost...”

I think Ranni and Melina is working under the influenced of Miquella to find him the "Promised Lord" which is us. The Spirit Calling Bell and the Steed Whistle belongs to Miquella which is given to us by Ranni and Melina.

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@@LyricSnowe How do I love to argue when all I did was provide a quote to explain something 🤨? If anyone wants to argue it’s definitely you because you’re instigating an argument right now by making baseless assumptions about individuals you don’t know 🫥🤡😕.

Your retarded 😂 thoughs questions have no good answers nor logic behind questioning

And remember that Malenia (and stuff associated with her) are full of butterfly motifs. That includes Malenia's appearance as the Goddess of Rot, Scarlet Rot claims to promote "transformation" (which Millicent committed suicide to avoid), and Scarlet Rot's association with insects in general.

But it literally is know Godfrey lead that charge.... Come on

godfrey led the war against the giants dummy

Most likely considering how the impalers tomb is relatively close to the ghost

​@@Vayth_it is not close and referring to the walking mausoleum. Still can be a Messmer's reference

I recently replayed ER since the release of the trailer and noticed this dialog also. Back then it made no sense but now I think you are on to something, I believe it's Mesmer the ghost is referring to also

But it isn't I'm looking at it right now.... There are no roads only cliffs in that area and what your seeing are the trees branches... Dear god

@@cyberius14 The 6 people who liked my comment obviously see it too , either you have a BOOTLEG elden ring game lol (not literally just clownin) or you’re just trolling looking for an argument because I know what I see bro, those cliff, roads, whatever it is you can literally see it through the tree im not gonna argue with u about it

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That would be dope and is actually a fair assumption and I hope it's true, it never made any sense as to why she left that one fire giant alive just to protect the fire when she could have had someone else do it, I mean why the hell would she leave a crippled giant up there to be a guard instead of someone more capable

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Not just Melina, all the maidens can sacrifice themselves to burn the Erdtree (read Vyke's Story) so the smouldering butterfly definitely symbolizes Messmer, I know Melina is special and maybe she is linked to Messmer in some way we don't know yet

What if Melina and Messmer are counterparts like Marika/Radagon? - First of all they both have their left eyes closed. When we saw Marika transforming to Radagon they were both missing half a torso and most of their left arms so I'd assume some kind of damages won't change. - First two characters with dualities both had a female and a male counterparts so it's logical to think Melina would have a male counterpart too. - Messmer was erased from history it would explain why we have little to no information about Meilna. - They supposedly share similar goals in burning the erdtree. - Melina says her mother is inside the erdtree and her in file name is "MaricaOfDaughter" safe to assume she is a daughter of Marika and Radagon and just like Miquella, Malenia and their third child confirmed by Miyazaki Messmer they all share the same initial M. - Also Melina clearly doesn't have a body just like Ranni (the only character who talks about Melina) they can both appear and disapear similarly. Melina was severed somehow from her body maybe when they tried to burn the erdtree? Then either Ranni was inspired by Melina to cast away her own body too (thus escaping the greater will) now that she knows it's possible OR the other way around.

​@thinhtran647 do you know what happened bernahl's maiden

@@LegendaryGary17 the same thing happened with melina, sacrifice your maiden on fire is the only way to go to farum aluza

@thinhtran647 but if you read the lore, when she did that, nothing happened. And with the loss of his maiden bernahl lost faith in the purpose of the tarnished and became a recusant

I agree. Notice the eyes. Both Melina and Messmer has closed left eye. Also, the tired sleepy looking face of both looks very simular in a way

Or they are the same person, and melena is just the puppet with an eyemark from casting off her demigod flesh, like ranni's puppet. Also fits the common theme in their family of being both male and female figures like Maricka/Radagon and Miquella/Trina.

Melina’s hair is either red and blonde, or pink and platinum. I think it indicates age maybe? And she is actually messmers sister and originally his finger maiden.

Good theory

Godfrey died in the Badlands. And the GW doesn't just talk to people.

I think it is likely the dlc will shed light on Melina’s story - perhaps this will even coincide with Mesmer in some way

Torrent, the wolf ashes and the Spirit Calling Bell were all Miquella's. This means Melina and Ranni were at least in communication with Miquella at some point. Ranni asks about Torrent before giving you the Bell and the ashes, like she was tasked to do so. I think Miquella is pulling a lot of strings behind the scene.

@@portalmanHUN agreed, I hope we get some of this untangled in the DLC

it’s not a different realm it’s just a country separate from the lands between

Please stop thinking Bro 😭🙏

I would have believed this if it were not for the fact of Castle Sol, and it's eclipse purpose by Miquella to grant true death to Godwyn.

But then again the epitaph sword explicitly depicts miquella wishing godwyn to die a true and peaceful death,little bro doesn't seem to be this evil

Ranni conducted Night of the Black Knives to ensure her ascension and to kill the lawful first heir to the throne to star a Civil War.

Nice find!

He kinda looks like all the demigods in some way

@@adamhunter4120 Agree

His face look more like Malenia which means they are brother/sister.

Thank you? Someone else noticed too. I can't believe how crazy ideas people have sometimes but this one makes so much sense. - First of all they both have their left eyes closed. When we saw Marika transforming to Radagon they were both missing half a torso and most of their left arms so I'd assume some kind of damages won't change. - First two characters with dualities both had a female and a male counterparts so it's logical to think Melina would have a male counterpart too. - Messmer was erased from history it would explain why we have little to no information about Meilna. - They supposedly share similar goals in burning the erdtree. - Melina says her mother is inside the erdtree and her in file name is "MaricaOfDaughter" safe to assume she is a daughter of Marika and Radagon and just like Miquella, Malenia and their third child confirmed by Miyazaki Messmer they all share the same initial M. - Also Melina clearly doesn't have a body just like Ranni (the only character who talks about Melina) they can both appear and disapear similarly. Melina was severed somehow from her body maybe when they tried to burn the erdtree? Then either Ranni was inspired by Melina to cast away her own body too (thus escaping the greater will) now that she knows it's possible OR the other way around.

He legit looks like malenia but with wider shoulders and looking slightly taller

Probably from the same way that the entombed demi gods in the walking mausoleums became soulless. I think they will expand on it, because by game lore Godwyn had his soul destroyed and he died and was the first recorded demi god to die.

I love that everyone is starting to think this way! It hit me like a ton of bricks when I watched the dlc trailer and it fits all the themes sooooooo well.