A Dance with Dragons - Chapter 41 - The Turncloak 

Brandon was a hothead that acted first and thought later. He seemed like a fun man to have as a friend and character with the way everyone talked about him. But Brandon was an issue

He was also a player, taking everyones maiden head and getting girls pregnant

GRRM confirmed that Howland will be introduced in TWOW, so this is what'll likely happen!

@@PedroLucas-mg5je- Yessss! 😃💯

As the prologue… sorry Howie R!!!

Jk. I made that up

​@PedroLucas-mg5je when did he confirm Howlands appearance? I thought he didn't do POV chapters with characters that know too much.

I'm 20...

@@EnderWarden i just meant hitting your twenties can really feel like a sack of bricks.

@@basedchimera5859 fr

You've barely started life

@@Krushtykon good

I think she has the right not liking Ned but I don’t think she hates the kids of Ned

I think she hates Boltons way more, since Ramsay killed Domeric Bolton her nephew that she realy loved, and Roose dint give a shit about that.

She hates Ned because he didn't bring back her husband's bones and she have a right in that, but that doesn't mean she hate his children, I mean even tho she didn't marry Brandon and he took her first she is fond of him

Even if she hates the starks, well i still kinda like her 😂 we all enjoy the lannisters dont we?

I have a feeling that once the Boltons are dealt with, there will be a succession crisis of House Stark between Jon and Sansa and knowing that Lady Dustin kinda has a soft spot for the outcast, she will throw support for Jon.

Would be cool if Ramsey's girl turn on him.

It was also in the last Theon chapter

When I first heard the narrator say Theon last chapter, I was shook.

Yes, the narrator started referring to him as theon and saying "he" for all thr things theon did to winterfell in the previous chapter, it was a bit unexpected since in the chapter before that he was completely reek I don't get how it works with the pov style of writing, is it self perception or how characters need to be perceived as like reek (theon), allyne (sansa) and cat of the canals (arya) Only sansa is pretending to be LF daughter, the other two want to believe they're not their former selves

They used his name in the last chapter and possibly the chapter before that as well. Sorry lol

I don’t feel for her at all. Bitter old Lady...of course you come when your Lord calls his banners. Ned not bringing back her husbands bones is just nitpicking

@@jimboslice6367 I don't get the one where you said a bannerman should come to his lord because throat what happened and she was fine with it, she just asked her husband to send his uncle or someone else instead of him. not really, Ned should have brought all the bones of those who rode with him to the tower of joy they were nobles after all.

@@napolien1310 that is till nitpicking and no reason to betray her liege lord

@@jimboslice6367 Petty yes but I can't exactly blame her.

@@jimboslice6367 - Nah, I don't blame her a bit. I'd be bitter & pissy about all of this if it were me. Just keeping it 💯 Ned was selfish asking his friends to come "rescue" his sister, after they had JUST barely survived Robert's war. There was zero proof that Lyanna had been kidnapped. They just couldn't imagine their perfect, precious Stark daughter actually running away w/her secret lover. They couldn't imagine her even having a secret lover to begin with. But all the signs were there. Oh well. lol

Its gonna get worse for her. She already has frostbite. Jon won't feel as obligated to help Jeyne as he would've for Arya. He may even set her aside.

@@EnderWarden So you think Jon, who is jumping through hoops to defend wildlings right now, wouldn't care about a totally helpless, abused young girl? Are we even reading the same book?? Wtf

​@@mschell8022 Well the wildlings can be helpful to him against the dead. Not saying hes being selfish but there is a gain to helping them. Would Jon be as helpful to Jeyne as she would need him to be as he would with Arya is the question. Jon was close with arya and not Jeyne. Jon never once thought about Jeyne in his povs. He was also murdered by his own brothers so there's that as well. With the boltons and the dead both on the march, Jon will have a lot on his plate. A steward's girl he hardly knew is not high priority amid all the shite hes dealing with right now. He may send Jeyne somewhere he believes safe (or take her with him idk), but im not sure he'll defend her as much as he would with Arya.

@@EnderWarden she's nowhere near Jon

@@renaigh She's headed to castle black.

Alys Karstark calls Jon Snow “the last son of Eddard Stark” (or something to that effect). While a sample size of 1, it could reflect the sentiment of much of the North

If the last deeds of Ramsay didn't convinced them of It, then I don't know what will!

My favorite POV in Dance by a country mile. The moody gothic horror stuff, the absolutely stacked cast of characters, the saving a damsel in distress from the tower where a wicked lord has imprisoned her, it is as good as this series gets.

*Defenatly*

One thing I always ask myself about any fan theory is: how does this serve the themes? How does it speak to George's belief that "the human heart in conflict with itself is the only thing worth writing about?" For example, "Tyrion is secretly a Targaryen and Tywin knew!" is a bad theory in my view because while that twist might help move pieces into place for Tyrion to be one of the "three heads of the dragon," it does not build on the themes of Tyrion's character arc, and in fact undermines some of them. Tywin hated Tyrion because of a horrible mingling of pride and grief and rage and maybe a little bit of self-loathing as well. If we learn that he ACTUALLY resented Tyrion because he was another man's son......... what's the point? With this theory I feel kind of similar. Robb sleeping with and marrying Jeyne serves the themes we've seen about the perils and promises of earnestly practiced aristocratic honor, and how bizarre and horrible it is that there are teenaged boys who are kings commanding armies. If Tywin was behind it all, and Robb would have succeeded were it not for the fact that Tywin engineered his worst mistakes from the beginning, what does that do for the story? Make Tywin more imposing and dreadful? A Feast for Crows devoted several chapters to puncturing and deflating the SuperTywin image that he projected onto the world, so I think that's unlikely (I might well be missing some other more interesting implications though). To me, the assumptions we have without that theory - that Lady Sybelle and Tywin coordinated to make the consequences of Robb's fatal jejeune mitake genuinely fatal - is more compelling when considered alongside the themes of the series.

@@DavidReadsASoIaF plus I think with Robb... it's that theme of him being stupidly honourable, like Ned. And how his honour got in the way of him playing the Game of Thrones. If it was all Tywin's plan... it kind of takes away from that aspect of it. That's how I see it anyway.

@@DavidReadsASoIaF do you think Tyrion Targaryen works in the sense that Jon's father is Ned Stark because that was Jon's father figure and the person Jon tries to emulate. Which adds to the theme that your genetics don't matter: it's your memories that make a person

Perhaps, but I think the near certain R+L = J twist will serve Jon's character development much more directly. Realizing that, from the very beginning, he was loved and wanted desperately, in contrast to everything he and his culture know about "bastards," and that his "father" sacrificed his honor and arguablty his own marital happiness to keep him safe from harm (which, as you say, makes him just as much if not more a father to Jon than Rhaegar) has way way way way way more to tell us about who Jon is and where he might go from here than Tywin not being Tyrion's father. That would certainly raise the mystery of why didn't Tywin just drop him down a well (whereas in a universe where Tywin was his father the reasons for that are obvious), and I just don't see the answer as being very relevant or even interesting. I also think that since Tyrion's internal struggle is in part defined by a fight between the side of him that is Tywin's son and heir, and the side of him that has a soft spot for cripples, bastards, and broken things, that removing the threat of "genetics and family is destiny" would make that internal struggle less dramatic.

Ned didn't bring her husbands from Dorne, so she sees it fitting that Ned's bones never make it either.

What? I’ll admit I can’t recall what you’re talking about

@@mattboyle6544 you literally posted the comment above...

Well I was confused with the accent at first too and thought I'd be that character from the show ramsey liked and that is dave's choice since it wasn't stated what kind of accent it is, but the real hint is the singer changing the words of the dornishman' wife to the "the northman's daughter" and we all know how fond mance is of this song and the legend of the king beyond the wall who took a stark's daughter and made her with child

No shit, Sherlock

Yes it is lol

Lady Dustin is kind of mysterious, because she's so open about some stuff that you'd expect her to keep private, but also keeps other cards close to her chest and seems to want contradictory things. I think it's possible she hates NED Stark but would be fine seeing the Boltons fall as long as her position remained secure (no reason to assume it wouldn't - she's tied to the Boltons through distant marriage relations and is doing her duty; she lost men at the red wedding and never betrayed the starks like Roose did). Ned got her husband killed, and dishonored his remains, but Ramsay actually MURDERED Bolton's son, whom Lady Dustin seemed to have some maternal affection for.

@@DavidReadsASoIaF wow, thanks for your reply. I’m so into these later Theon chapters I looked around and there’s evidence she’s part of the northern conspiracy working to take the boltons down from the inside. As you imply, what she tells Theon is probably very intentional.

Some combination of bran and Osha and Hodor and the Reeds took them when thye were hiding! After I recorded this chapter, I did some fan theory reading about Barbrey Dustin, and saw the intriguing (and believeable, if not watertight) claim that Lady Dustin had been told that the Stark boys were still alive, and that the visit might have been more about confirming, through the missing swords, than meditating on her grievances. Nwo that I type it out though, how would anyone know the stark boys hid in the crypts? Wex couldn't have known that....... You know what? Nevermind lol

@@DavidReadsASoIaF actually remember wex was on the tree and probably heard what bran’s group said So he will know they came from the crypts bc they said that’s where they hid Wex would also say that they were holding swords.......

@@brettthebest3978 The evidence is believable because Wex is a ironborn survivor who is technically the North's enemy but it makes him a believable witness since he has nothing to gain from telling a fake story that can be proven. The Boltons and the Ironborn don't know and care about Winterfell's crypts and have not been down there so snow has building up on it's entrance so there is no chance it could be fabricated. If Wex described to them the Stark boys and their companions with the amount of rusted swords, all they have to do is go down to those crypts, count the number of rusted swords that are missing to confirm that the right people who have a reason to be down there and the proof taken from the crypts is enough evidence to convince the lords of the story's verification. It's enough reason to believe most of what Wex would say meaning he would make a good casus belli for all the Northern lords to rebel against the Boltons.