A Deep Dive Into Cautionary Characters 

i feel like im going thru that trope in my life rn lol, gotta make sure to not screw up, so watching those kind of video's, so far i got that you don't need to be obsessed with something to the absolute

I don't see Shinji

I’d reference the hospital scene in the film but I don’t want to ruin him for me either

@@The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World.Shinji is literally me in every way minus the hospital scene💀

@@juiceboxinc.2745 lmao, that's what everybody who relates to Shinji says

The mangaka of aot is a big breaking bad fan 👍 there is even a titan looking like saul goodman

@@123VRa classic Isayama W. legend recoqnize legend

I see your a man that knows ball

​@@UncleHuss1balls

I love child killers 🤤 eren is modern day prophet

@@UncleHuss1you can’t kill me i can transfer my consciousness to my balls

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Yeah, this is one of the biggest memes you can do as a reader. Because sometimes, it's painfully clear the author is just using the book as their glorified diary, where the MC is a Mary-sue self-insert. But in other situations, you cannot really do armchair psychological analysis of someone solely based on the characters they write. If the MC wants to kill everyone, that doesn't say shit about the author other than what topics and themes they are interested in exploring. Maybe the only one you can theorize are fetishes. Like if a male author writes extensively about the MCs periods, then it is kinda sus. But then again, that's where if you didn't know the author was male and thought they were female, you wouldn't think twice about it and would herald the MC as "super relatable" and the author "brave". We should always separate the art from the artist, but we also... Kinda can't. Everything happens for a reason, so sometimes it is worth to just discuss why that is. Because if the intentions of the author are not pure and there's some kind of a harmful agenda behind it, you must do some armchair psycho-analysis on them. That's how you can choose which artists you wish to support and what not to. And you don't have to support and like every artists or piece of art.

a good example is Aot. Armin is the narrator Isayama is the author Eren is the protagonist

There's a fine line between the story painting the protagonist in a positive light as in characters and such agreeing with them or whatever and the author just portraying the characters actions as justified.

I feel guilty because I felt like I should’ve talked about him more😭

@@UncleHuss1Awww don't sweat it bro! I really dug the comparison you made between Light/L and Franklin/Leon's respective dynamics

Cautionary tale characters are my favorite types. Modern day Shakespeare tragedies

I think he’s covering these characters specifically because they’re very popular with people now

@@goodfella2057 And because they're the main characters of their respective stories.

Maybe it's because these stories are more... Nuanced than that. That one is pretty cut and dry imo

We all had that feeling

remember if you digging rabbit hole, its important to pull your head out . not all people are shit

I read a post recently, and I don't know where it went... but what it said stuck with me. basically, the op described the world as though we're all living in a haunted house. horrible things have happened within these walls, and as long as we stay here, we'll be mired in all that history. it feels like it'd be easy to just burn it to the ground, and leave all that bad blood with no home in this world. but then you remember... there are children in there. this world is the home we have. there is no clearing the slate... I think the best cautionary tales deal with that reality. that's honestly why I love Thorfinn so much in Vinland Saga. all of the most righteous people in that story begin flawed. even Thors used to be a soldier, and Thorfinn's character in season 1 is nothing but a series of gruesomely accumulating mistakes. but the story is about these people on purpose. the message is that it's not impossible to arrive in a better place, no matter where you start from. you aren't required to wipe the slate clean, and only have pristine things to show there. perfection is not a prerequisite, and flaws do not disqualify you from your right or responsibility to improve. let the record show the flaws, and the ugliness. even a person with that history can still go far beyond where they began, even if they have to carry a million ghosts with them. it's the history that informs us of the most important lessons that we must always keep in mind. this is the power of the cautionary tale. if a person can do it, then there is hope for the state of the world. and even if there wasn't, this is still the house we live in, like it or not. there are still people in there, as beautiful and ugly as they've ever been. the crimes of humanity are sickening, primarily because they are committed against humanity. you have to love first, in order to know why this matters at all.

Same I'm so sorry I know how you feel, those realizations are extremely painful. The world I wanted was one where nobody ever got abused and everyone could've trusted eachother. No one asked anyone to be perfect just don't abuse innocent people. Fact of matter is some people deliberately go out of their way to ruin the lives of others unfortunately. Remember you chose not to do horrible acts to others so thank you. Whatever life/existence is, it wouldn't even of had a chance if people like you didn't exist. Believe it or not how I see it, there's not a single thing more valuable than people like you guys in all existence. The only reason I bother living is so I can hopefully make this world less worst for the real people like you guys, even if it's through small actions. I can't think of any good analogies but you guys are stars, you shine despite darkness being all around you. Even if stars are usually far apart from eachother there still so many. You're not alone is what I'm tying to say...I'm rooting for you guys and I genuinely hope you find happiness despite everything...

I sometimes feel like my view on humanity is rather positive because I never had that surprising moment of realizing human cruelty. I grew up in though circumstances and always understood the cruelty and unnecessary violence of people. I was rather surprised when I got older and experienced altruism for the first time

I completely agree, Bojack was so hard to talk about because you really have to make it clear that even though you relate to him you can’t justify is actions at all😭

that's too much man

I was already planning to make my next video about him! Glad to see people appreciate him

I love both paul atreides (book)and eren sm

Leto II is probably closer to Eren than Paul.

An autodestructive fellow that destroys for nihility and egoism

This comment reminded me of why Bojack is such a phenomenal character By far the best depiction of self destruction I’ve ever seen

Awesome. AoT is incredible

You won't regret it

The rewatch value of AOT is the best I´ve ever seen in any story

most rewatchable story tbh

I literally just finished rewatching the whole thing today. It’s so much better with the context that I now know.

I wouldn’t call relating to Eren cringe, I think it’s normal to have an urge to wipe everything away. However, letting that feeling define is what can ruin you and I think that’s what the cautionary message behind Eren’s character is

You're NOT cringe, just based brother.

It is very cringe. But we all have an immature self we have to regulate and acknowledge. Eren is a character that does that. That’s why he’s so relatable.

You're absolutely not cringe. You're just human hun. Good luck to you and I hope you get to where you want to mentally. It's a struggle for all of us and you're brave for branching out and sharing your experience. You're still here. You're still trying and that's all you can do. ❤

⁠@@UncleHuss1I feel like the cautionary message behind Eren you talk about was secondary. Or more so that you have the right context but you see it the wrong way. I believe that Isayama definitely changed the ending. The whole narrative of “Eren was just acting” that Isayama tries to push at the end just doesn’t hold up at all. Their are many instances where we see Eren by himself and still being that way, and we also get inner dialogue of Eren still being that way. Which is why the Eren we see in the ending just seems like a complete switch up. The Eren we see in the ending is Isayama calling himself an idiot. Isayama inserted hisself onto Eren. Originally Eren was going to follow through with his plan but then Isayama came to his own realization and this change of heart is what prompted him to change Eren because like you said, Isayama uses Eren as a reflection of himself. At the time Isayama was set on wiping everything away which was how he felt himself, but then he woke up from that feeling during the ending and changed everything he was building the story up to, in order to express the way he felt about himself. This is why people dislike the ending because, you can say they feel robbed of what they were supposed to see by Isayama’s inability to stick it through and his lack of will.

Feel free to do so and I appreciate the support😂❤

i know you failed that assignment 😂

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this is an excellent comment, and I agree wholeheartedly. you have to love first, in order to be frustrated by the world. some of the deepest and most justified anger is felt by good people who know better, toward those who are careless or cruel. the trick is to be mindful, and consciously decide how that feeling should move you. engaging with the world as it is, is a labor of love. even with all it's conundrums and complications, and the full breadth of it's history... the love is why you keep trying, even when you haven't been perfect, and even when the world never was either. even Thorfinn in season 1 couldn't feel that much anger toward Askeladd without first loving his father. the frustration comes from there. sometimes it's just a long, difficult journey, to figure out what to do with all that sentiment.

I agree with you, it's conflicting, but at the same time I understand why Eren did what did too. The whole world was determined to kill him and his people from the start and they all declared a war against them together. He sadly didn't have a choice, you can see his talk with Ramzi he did not want to do this. They tried with Armin and everyone to talk it out, show them they're just humans like them but still the world wouldn't accept them and wanted them dead. Great takes on both characters. The depth in Thorfinn's character s2 was phenomenal.

Attack on Titan’s story is about the cycle of hatred, which will always exist as long as humans live. Eren’s story was structured in a way where there is no space for forgiveness or love for his enemies… It’s either fight for survival, or death. Eren acknowledged that the people on the other side of the sea were the same as him and his people; he even cried, felt guilt and remorse, tried to think of other solutions, but there was no other way unlike for Thorfinn.

@@vacilion nah, I don't accept that whole "there was no other way" type of mindset. if anything, Eren is a cautionary tale, to us, _because_ his "no other way" mindset is probably so similar to how someone justified the initial atrocities to themselves a long time ago, which led to the current state of things. as long as anyone's excuses remain acceptable, we'll never get anywhere. we'll get nowhere as long as there is this lack of self awareness... this lack of resistance to that hopeless line of thought. if we have had the benefit of seeing the worst of where that leads, then it's up to at least you and me, to learn something else from it all. I think Thorfinn is a great counterpoint to this mindset, because no... the conclusions Thorfinn comes to aren't easy. for every positive thing that he could ever think, there's a million miles of Eren's mentality, your skepticism, and his own lifetime's worth of pain and frustration, willing to try and say "um, actually," and his job is _still_ to not let that feeling turn him into something he hates. "idealism" seems like it sets you up with an impossible task. it seems like it demands that you be perfect, or that you ignore the harsh reality of a situation, or that you live in la la land, because nothing in reality works that way. but if that's what you think, then you misunderstand the practical use of an ideal. an ideal is a blueprint, and realism must be its constant companion. everyone who wants to use idealism effectively, knows that you can't expect perfection. that's why Vinland Saga is _never_ about perfect people. none of them _ever_ start with their slate clean. Thors was a soldier before he was a pacifist, same as Thorfinn... and every other sorry son of a bitch we encounter in the story is as dedicated to violence as they are to breathing air. the struggle is still to acknowledge the potential of these men anyway... every single one of them. to shoot for the blueprint, and land as close as possible, even if it will never be possible to fully hit the mark. the ideal in your mind's eye cannot require perfection as a prerequisite, or your efforts will serve absolutely no one. the most hopeless thing about Eren is his own emotional state, really. he doesn't think it would be possible to sway himself, so that's how incontrovertible he imagines his enemies to be as well. and you can't get anywhere if the conclusion is foregone for you already. but Thorfinn also knows the incontrovertible state from which he came. he knows for a fact that people are mutable, just as long as you acknowledge exactly how hard that process truly is. the cycle of hatred isn't the only cycle that humanity has... especially if you make the conscious choice to feed other drives. I'm not saying that Eren should've just magically come to these conclusions all on his own. his tragedy is the fact that he didn't. but we can see it all, from where we are. and we can understand that different ingredients might've begat a different man. Thorfinn attempts to be all sides of this equation... do you think the Thorfinn of season 1 would've made any better decisions than Eren, if he were faced with Eren's choices at that point in his life? of course not. sometimes the commitment to an atrocity really is as simple as "wrong place wrong time" like that. but these things are in no way absolute.

Ah man this comment means the world to me I really appreciate it, you just made my day a lot better too I hope everything gets better I know what’s it’s like to have those battles, everyday is a new day and as long as you keep moving forward and try to stay positive I’m sure happiness is right around the corner!

I’d argue that Lelouch is the opposite, he starts off bad but by the end of the story he redeems himself and becomes a hero I wouldn’t call him a cautionary tale completely

@@UncleHuss1 oh I agree than. Im sorry i didnt watch the vid yet and only off few secs I had i dropped a comment

@@UncleHuss1 i also said it because often times Lelouch is labeled in and compared with these characters a lot.

​@HussTheAnimeHood I dont really agree. Just because he won doesn't mean he isnt cautionary. He destroyed his life, family, and was responsible for the death of probably millions. His actions were repugnant. Yes, he might have accomplished some good, but I think he was also so wrapped up in his schemes. Maybe he was trying to do the right thing ultimately, and maybe some of his actions were far more selfless than like Light for example. He is a fascinating character, but I'm not entirely sure labeling him as heroic quite hits.

@@aerieleah533fair enough, you might’ve changed my mind actually

Thanks man I really appreciate it🙏

Thank you I really appreciate this comment, I’m also a HUGE aot fan so I’m happy I got to express my love for through this video I plan on sticking to this and comments like this really help me❤

Thanks, will do!

Thank you, I completely agree. Eren is a very multifaceted character and he has many motivations for why he did the rumbling, I wish I could’ve spoken more about him but I didn’t want this video to just be about him😭 Maybe in the future I’ll dive deeper into him, thanks for the insight!

Please dooo an eren deep dive 😫😫

you have the right context but you see it the wrong way. I believe that Isayama definitely changed the ending. The whole narrative of “Eren was just acting” that Isayama tries to push at the end just doesn’t hold up at all. Their are many instances where we see Eren by himself and still being that way, and we also get inner dialogue of Eren still being that way. Which is why the Eren we see in the ending just seems like a complete switch up. Isayama uses Eren as a reflection of himself. At the time Isayama was set on wiping everything away which was how he felt himself, but then he woke up from that feeling during the ending and changed everything he was building the story up to, in order to express the way he felt about himself. This is why people dislike the ending because, you can say they feel robbed of what they were supposed to see by Isayama’s inability to stick it through and his lack of will.

But he never actually killed hange and sasha those were only consequences of his actions his whole reason for rumbling is many not just one and believe me of actually wanted he would have killed his friends he literally has the founder just like erwin had selfish reason to sacrifice scouts eren also did

Hope you enjoy it!

It’s absolutely peak bro

Thank you! Will do!

Wow, thank you!

@@UncleHuss1 You’re welcome, keep up the good work

Thank you!

Thank you I really appreciate your kind words❤️

armin is the most freest character in aot

Thank you!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you for the compliments, your support is what keeps me going❤

Thank you I will❤

Appreciate it!

Thanks!

Awesome, thank you!

Thank you!!

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Thank you so much!

Appreciate it!

Thank youuu I love that ost😭

Thank you!!

​@HussTheAnimeHood hehe no probs some of my fav characters so I'm glad to see a deeper perspective on it always

Thanks man i appreciate the compliments, i think it’s hard to admit that we relate to any of these characters but it’s something that we have to accept so we can be better than them

Kidnapping eren did a psychological damage to him that was the whole reason he broke down in s2 First since he was a kid mikasa was miles better than him in combat and his mother constantly told him to be a man and he should protect mikasa and not the other way around so he tried to save her since then and act manly but wasn’t successful and since he got titan powers He was completely worthless and survey corps members died left and right to save him and HE couldn’t do anything about it

Thanks so much!

Thanks, will do!

Thanks, will do!

Thank you! You too!

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I appreciate it, I agree that they are irredeemable but I think they still find individual peace, akin to a Felon accepting his punishment I guess If we’re looking it from a heaven and hell perspective then they are absolutely going to the latter😭

and if you look into the abyss long enough the abyss will look into you

I appreciate that!

Great suggestion!

You’re gonna make it, hang on :)

Keep your head up King Tough times never last, keep pushing

The majority of the audience, Isayama and Eren himself don’t know why he did it 😂

@@ExpertContrarian how because he literally says it was to save his people, he even broke it down when he talked about how with 5% of humanity left, it would take years before retaliation would happen.

​@@MJ-py7dm 20% of humanity was left alive, which will just lead to more of what they were dealing with in season 4, people hating and wanting to kill them rendering the rumbling pointless. Go big or go home, no more half measures

Manga’s drawing in the early stages isn’t good Anime is the best format for watching Aot Manga is even more gruesome

@@AM17titan noted. Thanks.

@@TheRedBeardTalk np