I get chills when the executioner asks St. Thomas More for his pardon and blessing. He’s hooded, supposed to be feared, but humbled himself because he saw the virtue, faith, and piety that Thomas has for God. Even better when Thomas offered him charity in return.
This was common practice though for the executioner to ask for preemptive forgiveness from the condemned. And usually there would be a small prayer or blessing, mainly in the hopes that he’ll kill them instantly and not screw it up
Not really “humbling” himself really. As executioners were regarded basically as the lowest of the low. I’m fairly certain (tho not 100%) that it was common practice to pray/ask for forgiveness in some way.
@@ChachiTelevision1979It was common for them to ask forgiveness for two reasons: to emphasize that they were just carrying out the will of the State and had no personal motives, and to try to prevent revenge efforts by the family of the executed (the same reasons they wore masks to hide their identities) especially if the beheading was botched, as it sometimes was. When Margeret Pole was executed the inexperienced guy kept hitting her shoulders and head with the axe, it reportedly took 30 seconds for him to finally sever her neck.
It was a very chilling and terrifying time, simply because King Henry was determined to have a mail child to inherit the throne, and he would do anything to bring that about, no matter what.
Henry turned his kingdom upside down and inside out for Anne Boleyn. This was a major coffin nail for her as Henry began to wonder if she was worth all the sacrifices and strife
Of course she did not.The only good thing she made,was Elizabeth.But she had very little to do with her daughter's greatness,the little princess was so like her father.
Henry was a dumb manchild with violent tendencies and shallow whims. He did nothing for his people and only tortured his innocent wives. Don't blame Anne for his stupid actions when all the power was in his hands.
no, he turned over his kingdom for himself. he was a psychopath. i am not saying the reformation was or wasn't good for his kingdom, i am saying he was a murderous individual in general.
He didn’t have to do any of it….I think he would have done it for any lady he truly wanted to marry who made it difficult. He needed a son!!! But he wanted her that badly. Anne just happened to be educated, intelligent, opinionated, and of a different religion….so Henry made changes for her, but he did not have to!!! I don’t think she is to blame for anything.
@@rogerrousco2921 in his defense, this is pre-enlightenment. Religion was much greater and he legitimately thought Protestants were leading people away from the light of God.
Many protestant are insult Catholic because Catholic believe in Mary as mediator and pray to holy spirit. As my experience, they always seek your negative as your sin to their protestant religion. Hopefuly, people who born Catholic is also die as Catholic, strong in their believe, Catholic Saint and holy spirit 🙏
@@lordflashheart3706 he was right. England is now a catholic country again. Prince Charles is said not be a closet Greek orthodox. Anglicanism is nothing but a show piece.
he had people who disagreed with his beliefs pursued and burned alive. he brought his own death on his own head. had he shown mercy to them, mercy would have been shown to him.
Thomas More didnt lose his life. He gave his life. Theres a difference. He knew the risks for speaking out against the oath of supremacy. He could have signed it. He didn't
don't feel bad for people like that. i have a friend whose grandfather worked for a king, not saying where, they were dear friends. this advisor was a jeweller as well as a genius, and he made the king a present, the king liked it so much, he ordered his advisor killed so he couldn't make it for anyone else. this is a true story and it happened in the last 100 years. trust me when i tell you that these rulers are all psychopaths and should be kept at arms length.
@@mollykeane2571 Not so. He didn't feel betrayed by More, especially since he had promised him that he wouldn't have to sign anything and then cut off his head because he wouldn't.
For most executioners back then as today, the job was only occasional and it took a heavy toll on their psyche. A lot of them were woodcutters, butchers or in some other trade where you needed skill with a blade. Sometimes they were drunk on the job to make it easier on them. They didn't enjoy it. They often lived in fear of vengeful family or friends of their victims.
A rare dual saint, too. Sir Thomas more is recognized as a saint in both the Catholic Church and the Church of England. Technically, Cardinal Fisher is a saint, but he is exclusively limited to catholism and is not recognized as a matryr in the Church of england
@@IndependentConversations I did not know that, wow. How do the Anglicans justify it though? Thomas More was not Anglican and was very opposed to the Reformation
JRM really pulls off the scream here. I don’t know if Henry really regretted Moore’s death but damn, that’s the scream of someone losing their best friend and knowing it’s your fault. It’s harrowing experience for sure.
Henry was demonically oppressed. He was led by the devil himself. The only one he reportedly regretted executing was Thomas Cromwell and not because of love. He regretted because he never found a right hand man more effective than Cromwell So you can imagine how evil that King was. I Pray for all their Souls.
Filmaço !! Reza a lenda que More morreu sem fazer sequer um gemido. Mas toda a dor do momento final dele, foi sentida por Henrique VII. Por isso ele agonizou.
Essa cena não é de filme, mas sim da série "The Tudors". De resto, More realmente foi um homem decente, humanista, fiel a seus princípios e convicções, digno de todo o respeito que possa ser nutrido a um ser humano.
The fact is, I can celebrate the dignity and sacrifice of St Thomas More as much I want from the comfort of my postmodern, 21st Century, virtual ivory tower, but I know for absolute sure that I would have been one of those primitive idiots in the crowd watching just-another-execution in semi-interested glee had I been alive during that godforsaken period of English history. An ignorant sinner in any era is just an ignorant sinner, regardless of the medium.
I read alot of comments as i have nothing better to do in this time of my life. It is very hard to find people who are self aware, AWAKE and real. You are one of them Sir. Excatly and i agree with you..unfortunately we would've been one of those sad souls watching as this Great man was being executed.
I admire your honesty sir and I wish more had it. I really annoys me when some self-righteous person looks at those who lived centuries ago and put themselves on a higher plane: "Well, if I lived back then I wouldn't have acted that way!" Yes, you would have. To one degree or another we're all products of the time we live in. One other thing I'd tell the self-righteous: Those people back then who you look down on would have no use for YOU either! So get over yourself.
What i love most was Henry's reaction - not just the scream of despair but the look of mounting horror in his eyes: "He's not really going to do this, is he? I'M not really going to do this, am I?"
Thomas More was a great person he deserved much better than Henry's bloodthirsty, evil, wicked and cruel tyranny. An epic speech by an honorable and a faithful person. I wish someone in the crowd would've stepped in like Charles Brandon his assistant. The score by Trevor Morris is absolutely beautiful and breathtaking. Incredible piece of music. Worst monarch ever. If you look up the word humble in the dictionary you will see a picture of Thomas More praying. This just feels so wrong on every level I bet everyone in the crowd were thinking the same thing. Henry was such a sadist and only feels sorry for himself for going through with this not for Thomas's fate. He was even prepared to give him a much more gruesome death initially. Many good people died under Henry's rule. Jeremy Northam gave an amazing performance and acting but this is such a sad scene you just feel heartbroken over it. I was really hoping someone would've came to his rescue. Thomas put piety, family and selflessness first and he showed that by refusing to sign the paper and not heed to the king's wishes. Emotional part. The Tudors died with this sequence. 1509-1547 was a bad time to be in England. You have to be completely devoid of all emotions not feeling anything by this. More wasn't even given a fair trial. Henry's action here is completely unforgiving.
If I could ask Henry viii any question it would be this. I would ask him if he knew that the point of no return was agreeing to cut off a man that was more loved than his own father, I would ask if he knew his soul was gone officially at that moment or something else?
@@ignacio4159 oh I have no doubt but I want to truly see if leaving Brandon alive was enough or did it eat away at him. Hell I disguise myself as his confessor just to make sure
Unfortunately Henry died still thinking he was completely justified in everything he did. On his deathbed he was asked if he trusted in Christ and commended his soul to Him; he was unable to speak, but squeezed the priest's hand signalling "yes." Bet it was a shock to him when he woke up in the afterlife and saw where he had REALLY ended up . . .
He was martyred and proved to the whole world his faith in Christ and gave up his instinct for survival because he found Christ’s love greater than it.
The Execution of Sir Thomas More shows that King 👑 Henry VIII Was Willing to Kill Anyone Who Was in Opposition to His Power even his Friends Henry Was Willing to Sacrifice Anyone or Anything to Get what he Wanted
Did Henry regret what he did? Just the way he screamed then also who was the person been pulled via the horse before? Not sure if I missed something when watching the show
Bishop St john Fisher was in prison and martyred around the same time as st Thomas More, when St Thomas's wife and daughter brought him some buns during a visit he asked the guard to bring some to Bishop Fisher. St's Thomas and John Pray for us, Amen.
His prayer is bits and pieces of the prayer “Pietate Tua”. Loosen, O Lord, we pray Thee, in Thy pity, the bonds of our sins, and by the intercession of the blessed Mary, ever Virgin Mother of God, the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and all saints, keep us Thy servants and our abodes in all holiness; cleanse us, our relations, kinsfolk, and acquaintances, from all vices; adorn us with all virtues; grant to us peace and health; repel our enemies visible and invisible; curb our carnal desires; vouchsafe us healthful seasons; bestow Thy charity upon our friends and our enemies; guard Thy holy city; preserve our Sovereign Pontiff N., and defend all prelates, priests, and all Christian people from all adversity. Let Thy blessing be ever upon us, and grant to all the faithful departed eternal rest. Through Christ our Lord. The show’s much more abbreviated version reduces the full prayer to only the following: Loosen, O Lord, we pray Thee, in Thy pity, the bonds of our sins, and by the intercession of the blessed Mary, ever Virgin, keep us Thy servants in all holiness. Through Christ our Lord.
His prayer at the scaffold is the beginning of Psalm 51. The bible has dozens of varied English translations, but to quote the New Living Translation, it begins: Have mercy on me, O God, because of your unfailing love.
Not to detract from this scene, but why the flip is St. Thomas More shown here mixing in Classical pronunciation to his Ecclesiastical Latin?? Especially in prayer?? It would have been the common "V" pronunciation we have today (Ecclesiastical)...
I'm curious in the trial itself of Saint Thomas More, Rich is alleged to have said the words King or the Parliament had not the power to do it, [{OR WORDS TO THAT AFFECT}], I'm curious if that is in fact what he said, Saint Thomas More was known as a great Lawyer of his day, why he didn't challenge that. I appreciate that after all this time perhaps we don't know what really happened, or perhaps Saint Thomas More knew he was done for.
I actually do believe that King Henry the 8th was overcome by some kind of Medical Maledy that caused to do the brutal things he did, either that or he was simply and purely evil
Reading the books of the New Testament, we probably asked ourselves more than once: *"Why 2000 years we do not see those miracles that accompanied the Сhurch of Christ in the I century, as described in the New Testament?"* Why do the so-called preachers of Christ have to prove that Jesus really existed and atheists boldly deny the historicity or divine origin of Christ? Maybe because the Сhurch of Christ has not existed for 2000 years? The Сhurch does not exist in the form in which it is presented in the books of the New Testament, but there are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and other christian sects claiming to be the place of the Church, but they not have the only thing that distinguishes the divine from the human and is characteristic of just the Сhurch of Christ -the reinforcement of the word with signs, that is, miracles (Mark 16:15-20). Therefore, some researchers doubt the historicity of Christ, and some of them are not opposed to declaring him a an ordinary philosopher, teacher. But even if Jesus were an ordinary philosopher, his disciples would be ordinary followers of Jesus. And they would not dare to write about the miracles that not only Jesus, but also his disciples, could perform. If there were the Church in our time as described by the authors of the New Testament books, where miracles are performed, the sick are healed, where prophesied, and the dead are raised, no one would doubt the historicity of Christ. Then there would be the same controversy throughout the world as in the first century - Jesus the Son of God or the false prophet who seduces the world by miracles. As a result, we can say that the emergence and development of christian sects and atheism was the result of the fact that over the 2000 years the Сhurch of Christ did not exist. Find *"The Mystery about the Church of Christ"* video on RU-vid. The video reveals the prophecy of the disappearance and reappearance of the Church of Christ before the End of the World. Watching this video will give hope to all who sincerely seek God and will interest those who are not too lazy to think freely. Click on my name to watch the video (The video is in Russian, but English subtitles are included).
@@rc59191 You write: *"No church Is the correct church all of them lead to God some just get you to him on a different road."* - The Church of Christ was destroyed in the first century, and all churches now existing are false, and they cannot lead people to God, for all that is false and counterfeit comes from the devil. What can we know about the Church of Christ? What was she like? We know about the Church of Christ only what is known from the books of the New Testament. We do not know of any other Church of Christ outside the New Testament. What was the Church of Christ in the books of the New Testament? The church was a strictly hierarchical organization composed of believers baptized with the Holy Spirit, where the gifts of the Holy Spirit were manifested. As written: *"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."* (1 Corinthians 12:27-28). This was the Church of Christ in the first century, but for 2000 years we no longer see such a Church of Christ, there are no Apostles, no prophets, no one has miraculous powers and gifts of healing. But we see gatherings of people headed only by teachers speaking in the name of Christ, but not having the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said: *"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover"* (Mark 16:17-18). There we also read: *"So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following"* (Mark 16:19-20). I would like to draw your attention to these words: *"the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following".* that is, miracles reinforce the word of God and they are important for the preaching of the teachings of Jesus. For 2000 years, including our time, we have not seen any believers who have accompanied or are accompanying these signs. But in the books of the New Testament we read that in the first century, believers performed many miracles. As written: *“And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people”* (Acts 6:8). *“Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them”* (Acts 15:12). *"Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. And there was great joy in that city"* (Acts 8:5-8). Where are Stephanes, Barnabas, Pauls in our time? Where is Philip, who brings great joy to the cities? In which church do the blind gain sight? Where are the lame and bedridden jumping for the joy of being healed? Where are demons cast out? Where are the dead raised? Where are the Prophets? Where do they lay hands on the sick and get rid of sickness? Such miracles are not performed in any church, anywhere in the world. Jesus said: *“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”* (John 14:12). But where are these believers now doing the works of Jesus and even more than Jesus himself did? The Church of Christ was destroyed in the first century and for 2000 years false churches appear that claim to be the Church of Christ but do not have the testimony of God, that is, miracles. It was by miracles that God testified about the Church of Christ, just as he testified about Jesus. As written: *“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:”* (Acts 2:22). God testified about Jesus, and then about the Church of Christ by miracles. But the Church of Christ was destroyed in the same way as Christ was killed in due time, and therefore the signs and wonders that accompanied the Church ceased, and now She has been buried for 2000 years, but will rise in the last days as Jesus rose again. The prophecy of the death and resurrection of the Church is present in the parable of the ten virgins (Matthew 25:1-13). "Revelation" also prophesies about the emergence of the Church: *“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:”* (Revelation 12:1). The emergence of the Church will just be a great sign of the imminent Coming of Christ.
Well, TM had 6 heretics burnt at the stake. Mercifully, in each case, medium rare. It was customary for the executioner to ask forgiveness, not an impulsive reaction to TM's sanctity. Robert Bolt made TM. Without Robert, he would have been an obscure lawyer and fanatic. As for VIII, he went on gorging and wrenching for another dozen years. People here are really getting carried away.
The scene is mildly historically inaccurate. Thomas was not executed within the walls of the Tower. He was instead executed outside the walls just a few meters away on the hill. What is now Tower Hill Tube station.
@@giuliorobertoful Except that St. Thomas More had a beard, and he told the executioner not to cut his beard, because it had not offended His Majesty.
Very wrong. Cromwell was just as cold hearted and brutal as Henry. More was a good person who had an unjust end by a sadistic tyrant that also felt sorry for himself for doing this just to see how pitiful, cowardly and weak he was as a king. Burning heretics who shout heresy is not "monstrous". The executions and constant beheadings were evil from Henry VIII. More was a faithful man who died being humble as he lived. Henry is the bad person of the entire plot very unforgiving and ruthless. He ruled through politics only while More for example ruled through religion and was a much wiser and a better individual.
More was a hypocrite who believed everyone to live a pious life of poverty, charity and austerity but nonetheless sought wealth, power, and worldly possessions in his lifetime. Oh and he was more than happy to burn at the stake anyone who crossed the Catholic Church.
@@rc59191 Let’s be honest, no one truly knows what anyone was really like back then. We’re talking about a 487 year time gap here. All we have are handwritten accounts that aren’t even trustworthy a lot of the time. Just because someone is died a martyr, that doesn’t make them a good person. That just means they have bravery. Even being declared a “saint” by the Catholic Church doesn’t make you a good person.