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A Genderless, Bodiless Trinity, or Eternal Heavenly Parents? Are Families Eternal or Temporary? 

Charles Brown
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One of the key doctrines of the Bible taught in the book of Genesis is that there is a pattern of creation based on male and female. All living beings, whether human or animal create in their own image after their own likeness and kind. Latter-day Saints, teach that we are created in the image of God, male and female.  We are sons and daughters of beings that we look like, not some genderless spirit force. This means God looks like us and also. Jesus is created in the image of his Father who is God the Father of us all.
Non-LDS Christian or mainstream scholars teach that we are not really created in the image of God because the Trinity is a bodiless and genderless being, that has only transforms itself into a metaphorical father and son to meet the narrative of the Bible. The underlying doctrines teach that mankind is not like the genderless Trinity God at all but somehow a semblance of some of its attributes.

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@rebacook9945
@rebacook9945 8 месяцев назад
Pondering this, why would people prefer to believe God is a mystery, an incomprehensible thing, I've spoken with many people who hold this belief to their chest with an iron grip not even wanting to consider other possibilities. Could it be they like keeping Him at a distance? It is impossible to have a relationship with or have trust and faith in someone you can't even comprehend. It would definitely make it easier to not be accountable to Him, and you could create Him in whatever image you desired. Joseph Smith said in Lectures on Faith, the only way to be saved is to know God exists, to know His character and attributes and to know that you are leading your life according to His will. Reading those lectures changed my life, I realized if God has the attributes that Joseph talked about in perfection, then I can place my complete and absolute trust and faith in Him. It was a life changing understanding. I realized God WANTS us so badly to truly know Him for who and what He is.
@charlesbrown1245
@charlesbrown1245 8 месяцев назад
Wonderful comment. The Lectures on Faith is an amazing example of Joseph Smith’s calling as a prophet.
@Decision_Justice
@Decision_Justice 7 месяцев назад
The Lectures on Faith used to be in The D&C but they were removed. I wonder why they were removed? Could you do an episode on that?@@charlesbrown1245
@boardtodeath46
@boardtodeath46 5 месяцев назад
Great comment!
@Decision_Justice
@Decision_Justice 5 месяцев назад
The Lectures on Faith were part of The Doctrine and Covenants, and thus were part of Sacred Scripture. Why were they removed? @@charlesbrown1245
@Decision_Justice
@Decision_Justice 5 месяцев назад
The Lectures on Faith were once part of the Doctrine and Covenants. Why were they removed? @@charlesbrown1245
@wteg4356
@wteg4356 8 месяцев назад
A man will only recive that which he is willing to recieve.
@benzun9600
@benzun9600 8 месяцев назад
Which he is wiling to enjoy
@Decision_Justice
@Decision_Justice 7 месяцев назад
That which he wants to believe. "For a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."
@johngundaker3312
@johngundaker3312 8 месяцев назад
Thank you, for speaking up and speaking out Truth! I once went home after an LDS priesthood meeting singing and dancing, figuratively because I realized that I wasn't made of something that was created or made. Non created "Intelligence" is my essence and it's co-eternal with God. Therefore, I do not have to worry about being uncreated. It is not possible! What I should worry about is, do I like and will I honor the essence that's inside of this mortal body, particularly here and now during mortality? I was once asked to talk about consecration or holiness and under inspiration and perspiration I realized that holiness could be interpreted, purposefulness! If God is involved as you refer to in the creation, then purpose, glorious elevated and eternal is built-in to our present situation! There is an ultimate purpose built into mortality! You are right, our present existence, is the shadow of Heaven and yes, the truth is born that we have heavenly parents there. I am so bold as to presume that if God can put this Earth together for 1 minute he can do it forever nor would he give me a body and procreative powers and a wife and children for 1 minute if He could not make it forever! Thanks for allowing comments!
@Smelltheflowers1413
@Smelltheflowers1413 8 месяцев назад
Love this so much! Makes the gospel of Jesus Christ next level glorious! ❤️☀️
@kaylahall1219
@kaylahall1219 11 месяцев назад
We are His children!
@johnrowley310
@johnrowley310 8 месяцев назад
Adopted children by way of our faith, not sex...
@45s262
@45s262 8 месяцев назад
​@@johnrowley310and Jesus is our brother.. haha
@45s262
@45s262 8 месяцев назад
​​@@johnrowley310 Paul uses the phrase “the Spirit of adoption” as an analogy for God’s covenant people. While we are all literally Spirit sons and daughters of God, the phrase "the Spirit of adoption" is an analogy. When we make covenants with God, we take on Christ’s name. Through our covenants, we become more than His children. We receive the “Spirit of adoption” and become His heirs..
@michellekost7846
@michellekost7846 9 месяцев назад
God has a body of flesh and blood, the Son also, as tangible as mans. The Holy Ghost is a spirit. If it were not so he could not dwell within us.
@davidjanbaz7728
@davidjanbaz7728 8 месяцев назад
LOL 😂 how can the Holy Spirit be a personal god without a body then: you're whole Godhead is screwed up by ur ignorant statements. U mock the Trinity as not having bodies but you're just fine with the Holy Spirit not having a body: The Bible says God is a Spirit so you're counterfeit Godhead is a total fake and you also need a fourth goddess to produce you're Spirit babies! This results in an infinite regression of gods producing gods. U have a Counterfeit Godhead and religion!
@johnrowley310
@johnrowley310 8 месяцев назад
the Bible says God is spirit. Just think Smith is the only human that ever saw God. Nice story I would say...
@allenpeichert6492
@allenpeichert6492 8 месяцев назад
Flesh and bone, no blood in an exalted being...beings of light.
@herbofallon965
@herbofallon965 8 месяцев назад
It’s my understanding that God has a finer matter than blood running through His veins. Blood is what makes us mortal.
@herbofallon965
@herbofallon965 8 месяцев назад
@@johnrowley310 I know that 14-year-old Joseph Smith was personally visited by a God and Christ.
@franklebatista1091
@franklebatista1091 5 месяцев назад
I know we have been spirits, we are spirits and we always be spirits!!. About the milenial period Isaiah said " and they will built houses and no body else will inhabit them" who are going to inhabit those houses? Obviously, the families!
@rconger24
@rconger24 11 месяцев назад
We differ from God by degree. We differ from apes in kind. We also differ from a non-biblical nicene god in kind "whose center is everywhere and circumference no-where."
@davidjanbaz7728
@davidjanbaz7728 8 месяцев назад
U R infinite regression of gods is more irrational than anything trinitarian of Historical Christianity.
@johnrowley310
@johnrowley310 8 месяцев назад
You believe you will become a god. Can you say Pagan????
@webwarrior1.038
@webwarrior1.038 5 месяцев назад
Pagan? Oh no! Who cares what label it is. I put my faith in Christ Jesus and am reborn in Him daily. I am baptized and washed clean of His blood, and washed again every week through the Sacrament. Call us whatever, but my relationship with Jesus Christ, God the Father, and the Holy Ghost compel my life.
@marcusfreeman2512
@marcusfreeman2512 5 месяцев назад
​@@johnrowley310Romans 8:16,17 The spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God And if children, then heirs, joint heirs with Jesus Christ if so be that we suffer with him that we may also be glorified together.
@JIKOKALOL
@JIKOKALOL 5 месяцев назад
So have I been visited by God and Christ as have countless others.
@corybritton1966
@corybritton1966 8 месяцев назад
God is spirit and must be worshiped in spirit and in truth. Romans 1 gives the decline you are on denying the truth of God which He reveals through His creation and placed in the heart of man, Isaiah plainly reveals that God is the only God, none were formed before him and none will be after. In the dead sea scrolls the Isaiah scroll in completely intact and word for word coincides with the book of Isaiah we have in our bible today which totally,, completely refutes Joseph Smith's revelations of #1 the bible being corrupted, #2 the plurality of gods among others, plus God does not reveal things that conflict with what He has previously revealed. You will be held accountable for broadcasting these blasphemies on the internet, and unless you repent of said blasphemies you will face the triune God of the bible at the white throne judgement. And finally stop referring to the LDS church as Christian. It is so far from evangelical/biblical Christianity it's not even funny, it's more akin to Hinduism than anything
@charlesbrown1245
@charlesbrown1245 8 месяцев назад
I realize you are not here to have a conversation as evidenced by your allegations that are unfounded. You apparently do not believe that we, as human beings, are also spirit and are created in the image of God in the flesh as it teaches in Genesis. Do you know what it means to worship in spirit? The Protestant theory that God is a genderless essence of non-embodied spirit has indoctrinated you to believe that the philosophical traditions that God the Father is not our father or that Jesus is actually the only Begotten Son of God in the flesh. Protestant scholars do not understand the context of Isaiah and his teachings or Paul and his teachings. Latter-day Saints teach that we are created in the actual image of God and that God is actually a person that we worship. This is a straight forward biblical truth. It is not Hinduism. Your attempt to create a falsehood is noted and is a fallacy. I have noticed over the decades that critics of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints resort to these falsehoods to discourage truth seekers from knowing that Jesus Christ has restored his church and gospel with apostolic and prophetic leadership. Your theology regarding a mystical triune entity is not biblical in the slightest.
@johngundaker3312
@johngundaker3312 8 месяцев назад
I would counter by the rule that I use to determine any and all truth and doctrine; does it fit and sit with The Christ-Jesus? We see categorically Jesus although the Creator of this world and the Jehovah of the Old testament was born as a lowly lamb in a stable, into mortality (there's a connection between us and God right there). And as it says in scripture He learned obedience through suffering and culminated his mission successfully by his atonement in which we need to rely. And after his resurrection went on to sit down on the right hand of God, receiving all power and even judgment to the point where all things will be under his care. My summation therefore is that God can and has duplicated Himself in the Christ Jesus! This is how good God is and how powerful He is, and what did Jesus teach? That you and I can become co-heirs with Him if it so be that we can find and follow Him and bind and bound ourselves to Him and his, principles practices plans purposes people priorities... Because He goes to his Father and to our Father. Does it not say that, we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us? Why on Earth would one limit the grace of The Christ, the One sent to show us how to be like God? Did He not teach that we are to be perfect or complete as His Father?
@charlesbrown1245
@charlesbrown1245 6 месяцев назад
@@dl1130 As long as you found happiness, I’m happy for you. God loves you and has a place reserved for you in one of his kingdoms. Nobody has covered up anything in the church history. Why do you think the JOSEPH Smith papers exist. An organization with human beings will never be perfect. You’ve been deluded by a false expectations. The doctrine of Christ is Pure in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The fact that someone leaves the church doesn’t give any more credibility to the reasons they don’t believe. They give the same reasons generally for not believing. There is only one church that teaches that we are actually created in the image of God. There’s only one Church of which Jesus Christ is the head. There’s only one Church that has the full authority to administer the fullness of the gospel and the covenants and ordinances that pertain to it. It is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
@jabulani22shepo61
@jabulani22shepo61 5 месяцев назад
​@@charlesbrown1245Amen my brother. A lot of these people conversations are rooted in emotions and conflict. They are not interested in conversations but endless religious arguments with zero problem solving.
@michaelparks5669
@michaelparks5669 5 месяцев назад
Isaiah says there is no Jehovah but One. not God. Elohim means God of the Gods. The Bible is not perfect. the dead sea scrolls has three different versions of Isaiah. Try telling the truth
@truthbebold4009
@truthbebold4009 8 месяцев назад
God isn't a Trinity nor does He have a goddess wife. He has a body but it isn't flesh and blood
@charlesbrown1245
@charlesbrown1245 8 месяцев назад
The Godhead is formed by 3 distinct persons that have an individual eternal Identity. The father presides in the Godhead. Your claim that God the Father does not have a female counterpart indicates that you probably do not believe the biblical teachings or have made up your own doctrine as to what it means to be created in the image of God, male and female.
@davidfrey5654
@davidfrey5654 5 месяцев назад
If God the Father has a spirit, why did Jesus Christ resurrect with a physical body? If they are one, as you say, how is God a spirit, yet Jesus has a physical body? John 5:19 says, "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does". If the son was resurrected, then the Father was resurrected just like him. The BIBLE says that.
@truthbebold4009
@truthbebold4009 5 месяцев назад
@@davidfrey5654 The Son of God, a divine being, came to our world in the flesh. It was the condescension from God to man that was such a great sacrifice and the display of love for His creation. He became the son of man and that was not just temporary.
@truthbebold4009
@truthbebold4009 5 месяцев назад
@@charlesbrown1245 why isn't the goddess part of the godhead? I would assume that she also has an individual eternal identity. You're assuming that the male and female are a reflection of a male and female God.
@charlesbrown1245
@charlesbrown1245 5 месяцев назад
Latter-day Saints, don’t believe God has blood in his body. A resurrected body like our Savior Jesus Christ is eternal matter, perfected and glorified. We are resurrected as the same gender we are born as.
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