@@daveh8405 What do you believe you’re going to be in heaven? Do you think you’re going to live with God forever? Do you think he’s going to teach you or put you in a room and say sorry you can’t learn anymore? It would be bad if you kept learning and eventually gained all knowledge because you would be like me your heavenly father. Is that what God‘s going to say to you? We can’t ever let that happen says God the Trinity. When you were on earth as a mortal (speaking, hypothetically God to you). It was OK for you to have children and a family, a spouse, and all the things that helped you learn how to love others. Going forward though you’re saying God doesn’t trust you with the power to create so he’s going to take that away and make you like a celibate monk.. If That sounds good to you more power to you. Are you of the opinion that if God let us keep having our families we would run out of space in the cosmos? Apparently, you don’t believe that Jesus is God. Is that what you believe? Wasn’t Jesus like us living on earth born of a woman who had a body, and then was resurrected with the body.? I don’t think you understand the scriptures.

@@charlesbrown1245 you will never be like God in the sense that you will be able to create a world and life on that world and all of its complexities. you will never be omnipotent. you will never be God and the bible doesnt teach anything like that.

​@@daveh8405 I appreciate your response again. First of all, with your limited knowledge you cannot ascertain any of the things you say. Second, I do not know nor does my church teach the full extent of what we will do in the next life of how we will be endowed with righteousness because of Jesus. He said we would inherit all that the Father has if we are faithful like the Bible teaches. If you believe in an absolute tyrant of a god you are right we will never attain to anything like you describe in your comment. AS I said in a previous comment, the reality is if you live forever with God you will continue to learn and eventually attain all knowledge and learn how heavenly powers work. You probably think they are just magic but they aren't. I am sure the misleading soundbites you hear in your apologetics bible class sound strange. If you are a traditional Protestant you have been indoctrinated to believe in a trinity god that isn't very powerful. I don't think you realize how long eternity is. Salvation is extended to us based on eternal principles, not magic. The traditional concept of heaven and of God's power is he has a place for you in his house and he is going to let you live in his basement for free forever and never teach you anything. That is the essence of traditional christian philosophical and theological conclusions about the Trinity. If you do not believe in the transforming power of the Atonement of Jesus Christ then your conclusions could be right but you're not. If you are a Protestant or Evangelical, you no doubt think God only saves a few billion souls and sends the rest to hell. That is a sad statement for an all-powerful god to be so. Thankfully that is not the case. Joseph Smith was right. God can transform us because we are his children. We are not pawn-like creatures as the protestants claim. The Bible does teach that we are God's children and can become like him because of his grace extended through Jesus. That isn't what you are taught. You most likely have been taught that Jesus is only the son of God metaphorically. As such your whole understanding of Christianity is based on a flawed understanding of God's power. Jesus did teach that he was the son of God. Protestantism and Catholicism changes the definition of the terms, father, son, parent, and child to make their teachings about the Genderless Trinity fit the Bible.

@@charlesbrown1245 this sounds exactly like what Satan wanted, to be like God. The fall of man, to be like God. To become God. Know your place in the universe.

Good observation about the accuracy of mainstream understanding and representation of the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ. I am not misrepresenting the teachings of so called mainstream Christianity. My observations are easily verifiable by traditional Christian scholars. What you learn at your Bible study classes is the version biblical apologists want you to hear. If you are a Protestant or Catholic, these doctrines to not teach that Jesus is the Son of God because God isn't a person but a mystical power of some kind that does not have children. The trinitarian person of Jesus is just a temporary metaphorical representation of a son figure to fit the narrative of the Bible. They change the definition of father and son to suit their twisted theology of an imageless deity that is triune in nature but incomprehensible to humans. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CyxPoh3ggoc.html

​@@charlesbrown1245 I will agree that most people don't know the Mormon teaching on things, especially most lay Mormons lol. I have had to tell many a Mormon about basic facts from their religion, like that Joseph Smith was a polygamist--something that they vehemently disagreed with until I showed them primary sources. You are indeed misrepresenting the Christian belief on things. Usually when someone tells me I am misrepresenting them, I ask, "where do I misunderstand you?" But you have instead chosen pride. Humility has great power in communication--I recommend it. I don't know where you got the idea that I am taking classes or am being fed information from some apologist, but almost all of my study is conducted alone. Baseless claims only support your echo chamber, they don't offer any reason for me to join the madness. Here is an example of you misrepresenting the Christian position: (@6:47) "So what was God's purpose of creating man--Adam and Eve specifically? Well if you look at Protestantism and Catholicism, it's God just wanted to have fellowship with people but had never created people before. That's the part that gets me: why did God all of a sudden start to do this? And of course people say, "well God's ways are higher than your ways" and "you know, you can't figure out what God was thinking; He can do whatever He wants He's a sovereign spiritual force." And of course I've had discussions with very rational people who point out the fact that if God was already perfect, why create? There's absolutely no need to create." You say that we have to reckon with the idea that God all of a sudden wanted to start creating. This is counter to the Christian idea that God is beyond time. You cannot say, "when did God decide to create?" This is a category error. Of course the Mormon teaching gives a particular point in time in God's life when He decided to start creation of this Earth, but the Christian has no concept of this. You assume God is in time, which assumes Mormonism, and then you say that the Christian view is incompatible with your Mormon presuppositions. That's only true if your Mormon presuppositions are true, which I don't hold. The Christian idea, as you correctly assert, is found in God's aseity. God doesn't need His creation. There was no "time" before when God existed apart from creation, because God created time, along with space and matter. He simultaneously produced the 'where', 'when', and 'what'. Time does not constrain God, rather God creates time. Therefore, God did not "suddenly begin" to create. As to a why: God wanted to. This satisfies the principle of sufficient reason. You say that the Christian version of God is non-personal, but that is just not true. The Trinity is literally a distinction of personality--a tri-personal God. Jesus is eternal, along with the Father and Spirit. I don't know where you get the last paragraphs from but literally no Christian would affirm them.

But is the Jesus you follow spirit brother of lucifer? Is he a created being? Because the Jesus Christ Christians follow is God the Son. There is only one God, but he manifested Himself in three persons. God Himself declares there is no other God but Him.

@@Jesusismysavior58 The name speaks for itself, The Church of Jesus Christ...... It is the 1 and only Authorized Church in the world.

In name only as you are following another Jesus, and another gospel and another god. You are polytheistic believing you will become gods. That is pride that caused satan to fall.

@@Jesusismysavior58 Thanks for telling me what I believe, I never knew the BS CaCa you are Spewing out of your mouth. Your actions speak for themselves. Satan doesn't Bash his buddies. Your comments are self confessing.

As members of the Church of Jesus Christ we beleive in One God who is our Eternal Father, he is all knowing and all powerful. We worship no other Gods. The existence of other beings who are one with God in spirit and truth in an infinite cosmos would have no bearing on our Christian doctrine. God the Father saves souls by the power of his word, who is Jesus, and brings them back to his presense through fatih in His Son. I realize Catholics and Protestants like the idea of a God shrouded in mystery. If worshiping a an incomprehensible spirit force makes one happy that is their privilege, and I believe such a place of happiness surely exists. If being single and celibate for eternity seems like heaven that is wonderful. Not everyone likes the ideal of being married or having children or nurturing souls hear or for ever. For most belieiving Latter-day Saints the Kingdom of Heaven we seek is to be with God and Christ. Eternal life is a continuation of the perfected love of God in our relationships that we initiated here in mortality. Jesus has spoken from the heavens again through a prophet revealing the wonders of eternity that have been lost after the death of Jesus and his apostles. Regarding the principle of exaltation , it is a gift from God. Some prefer to think that God needs minions to worship It forever. Prior to creation of humans there was no worship of It, the Trinity. Why the change of heart? Latter-day Saints think of God more into sharing his love and freedom with his faithful children to continue progressing in eternal family love. We do not think we become like the a Tirnity. Of course the concept of becoming like an invisible God would seem strange if you've been taught there is no progressing as individuals in the next life. The concept of creation exnihilo is an extra biblical construct. Bible scholars still debated it. Catholics just assume it and gear their apologetics around it as to most protestants. It has nothing to do with true Christianity. God is all powerful and controls the elements of creation from intellegences to atoms. What difference does it make how he does it? He creates world, brings souls to life and offers salvation because there are actually people to love that are his offspring, not creations out of dust that he ljust imagined into existence. To be all knowing and all powererful means there is a limited amount of power and knowledge and God as it all. Why do you think he cannot teach us all things if we live with Him forever. He does not need to be invisible or be magic as classical theology implies to have such power.

@@charlesbrown1245 LDS doctrine is explicitly monolatrous. You worship one God but believe in many gods. I read the book of Abraham, and D&C no need to carefully word your statements around me. Why can't you just acknowledge the polytheism? Other beings that are one with God? Again, traditionally the church believes Heavenly Father has parents. Don't downplay your God by saying there's others who are one with him. The King Follet discourse plainly states LDS doctrine of the divine. There's even a hymn If you Could Hie to Kolob acknowledging polytheism in the first verse, alluding to the mystery of 'when Gods began to be?' This is still on the church website. God is all powerful and all knowing? This is not clear in Mormon Doctrine either since the church teaches eternal progression.

@@OrthodoxCatholic1 I am looking forward to this conversation since you would like to discuss the concept of monolatrous (a new word for me) and polytheism. To get started please tell me who you think these other “many gods” are. Thanks,

@@charlesbrown1245 they are other exalted humans who are no longer merely Gods in embryo. They fulfilled the requirements for exaltation, though exceptions are made for Jesus and thr Holy Ghost for whatever reason. For instance the King Follet discourse says out world was formed.by the gods: It read first, “The head one of the Gods brought forth the Gods.” That is the true meaning of the words. Baurau signifies to bring forth. If you do not believe it, you do not believe the learned man of God. Learned men can teach you no more than what I have told you. Thus the head God brought forth the Gods in the grand council.--Joseph Smith, King Follet Discourse

@@OrthodoxCatholic1 Good to talk to someone who has at least looked into the subject. The next question in my mind is why does non-lds theology embrace the nature of eternity as presided over by a monotheistic being that no one of its creature creations comprehends? On the surface, it makes no sense but let's look at how scholars and others, (not Jesus's apostles) concluded God was an incomprehensible triune sovereign. From the articles I've read the concept seems as much cultural as it is theological. There are hundreds of scholarly articles about the subject. The Bible doesn't really support monotheism except by loosely assuming certain scriptures support the idea. Of course, that is what biblical apologists do. At some point, scholarly theologians determined that a single deity, albeit 3 persons would be the foundation of their theology. There have been many ecumenical councils and such over the millennia. (Their theology doesn't fit the Bible narrative unless they create a special math system where 3 =1. Those refuting the idea of a single genderless triune God have been declared anathema or heretics. This way the power block of priests or clergy through the centuries controlled the narrative. For millennia the common person did not have the scriptures either. The Reformers kept pretty much the same theology for the same reasons but did help the biblical scripture to proliferate. Unfortnately that just sped up and compounded the divisions over their lack of understanding. A universe or a cosmos of endless universes only sounds strange if a person has been indoctrinated to the contrary. That would be a finite, limited heaven with all else existing for no particular reason. Scientific observations of endless galaxies are ignored as inconsequential apparently by modern clerics and scholars. It is interesting though that Joseph Smith's vision taught that God creates worlds without end. I suppose that would be true of other beings as well. It is as if Catholic and other "Mainstream" theologians are afraid we will run out of room or resources and they believe God can make whatever It wants. As LDS I believe the resources of creation both in element and intelligence are as endless as the cosmos. Monotheism is like saying there should only be one human and no more humans but they can have as many pets as they want as long as they fit on a single planet. Just don't call them humans or let them progress beyond a certain point. There is no real reason why, but there can't be more than one human or the rails will come off. That is the essence of monotheistic conclusions. There is no conflict with an unlimited number of beings that are exalted by principle of truth. It is all governed and bound by perfection, love, truths, and eternal laws of heaven. The nature of the heavens was revealed and opened to Joseph Smith's mind. The eternal family life leads to a fullness of joy for those who participate in the full grace and love of God. If they don't want to partake then a Loving Father has other kingdoms of glory that can be enjoyed by those who prefer to be single and refuse the consecrated life or "covenant path" as we call it. The theology of a single deity is counter to the perfection of character and the capacity to love. It is a stagnant philosophy of life and eternity. God loves us because we are his children. He wants to give us an increase. He understands us because he is one of us, perfect and glorified but one of us. The same is true of Jesus. Jesus didn't just jump out of the Trinity to mop up the mess that occurred from lack of foresight regarding the devil and Adam and Eve. The Knowledge of Good and evil was necessary for them to progress, to have joy, and to experience love. God put the tree there for a reason that had an eternal purpose. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Eternal life is through him, not living in the Garden of Eden forever. I would invite you to listen to this General Conference talk by Lawrence Corbridge. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5MxLw96CkT8.html

Local bible churches, the protestants, & Catholics believe in Jesus of the bible then there is the outsiders: Jehovah Witnesses, Moonies, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ('Mormons' of SLC Utah)

What can I say? Today's "Lamanites" are a tough crowd stuck on the baseness of their traditions and theological foundations.

Whose Christianity is this a core principle of. Do you not believe in God the Father? That is who Jesus taught us to worship. You really don't know what you are talking about when it comes to who we worship or apparently Christianity in general. As Latter-day members of Christ's church we worship our Eternal Father who is the God of truth in the name of Jesus Christ. He is the only God we know and he sent his Son to be our Savior and Redeemer. The differences you say are "VAST" are simple. You do not believe that Jesus is God's Son except as a metaphor. All the other doctrines embraced by Protestants are just Catholic doctrines. They are all opinions of scholars not God's appointed servants.

@@charlesbrown1245 Thanks for you response. As I said, I believe 99% of Christians would agree with the statement "Christ is the only God in the universe". 99% of LDS would NOT agree. Most of what you said (and asked) I already answered and I agreed with. I said very clearly that I believe in (and worship) God the Father. I call Him Elohim as He is called in the temple. I also explained that I took Bruce R. McConkies advice and I do NOT worship Christ. I only worship Elohim. I also believe this places me too far outside mainstream Christianity to go around calling myself a Christian. The question is not whether Christ worshipped the Father. The question is how do Christians interpret this. If you interpret it the same, maybe you're a Christian too. If your interpretation it vastly different, maybe your not a Christian. Christians do not believe Christ was worshiping a MAN when he worshipped God the Father. This is a major difference. I hope that helps explain my position. You are welcome to disagree and worship whomever and however you choose.

Actually as Latter-day Saints we worship God the Father and Jesus Christ. Here is the official statement from the church website in the link below. Elder McConkie was making a point in the talk you are referring to. You apparently were looking so hard for an out that you failed to see it. Jesus also worshipped God his Father. Christ is not the "ONLY" God in the Universe. faq.churchofjesuschrist.org/who-do-mormons-worship. Eternal progression is Christ's purpose in offering himself as a sacrifice to redeem us and atone for our sins. LDS teach of an infinite atonement. The rest of Christianity teaches that the atonement is finite. Would you prefer to be single, celibate and live as a static being in the Protestant realm of heaven. You really know nothing about the temple endowment. Its whole focus is on Christ. I guess you missed that too. I do feel for you missing the whole point and beauty of the truths restored in the church through the prophets. Jesus is the Son of God, a member of the eternal Godhead. He submitted his will to the Father in all thngs and was endowed by the Father to preside over creation and judgement. We lived with him before we came to earth. His love for us exceeds all things.

@@lindafish2789 The name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Savior himself, named the Church. From the Savior’s visit to his people in the Americas we read as they were wondering about the name of the Church. 3 And they said unto him: Lord, we will that thou wouldst tell us the name whereby we shall call this church; for there are disputations among the people concerning this matter. 4 And the Lord said unto them: Verily, verily, I say unto you, why is it that the people should murmur and dispute because of this thing? 5 Have they not read the scriptures, which say ye must take upon you the name of Christ, which is my name? For by this name shall ye be called at the last day; 6 And whoso taketh upon him my name, and endureth to the end, the same shall be saved at the last day. 7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake. 8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel. 9 Verily I say unto you, that ye are built upon my gospel; therefore ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call, in my name; therefore if ye call upon the Father, for the church, if it be in my name the Father will hear you; 10 And if it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it. 11 But if it be not built upon my gospel, and is built upon the works of men, or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh, and they are hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence there is no return.

The Christians also do not worship the same God as Islam. We can easily prove this by pointing at the cross and asking a Muslim “is this a picture of your God.” Because Jesus is the second person of the Trinity and is God any who deny the Holy Trinity are not Christian and are not worshiping the same God no matter what they call their deity.

You are spinning the definition of polytheistic to fit your apologetic rhetoric. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we worship one God, Our Heavenly Father, That same reverence and praise extends to our Savior, who is the Son of God. They and the Holy Ghost are one eternal Godhead. They are individual beings. Also the reference in Isiah isn't a lesson on the Godhead. It is God speaking to a rebellious Israel with their idols and such.

Jesus is a member of the Godhead and the Godhead is a trinity of Beings. But Jesus isn't some invisible force stuck to some other invisible force. There is no math where 3 equals 1 except in false theology. Philosopher/ theologians in the centuries after Christ and his apostles were killed convinced each other that this false equation was the case. They then established a precedent that any that didn't believe it would be heretics. It could be the grandest con scheme in the earths history. They enforced it by death to violators. It was called the Inquisition for Catholics and Protestants did something similar. www.christiantoday.com/article/the-dark-side-of-the-reformation-john-calvin-and-the-burning-of-heretics/117136.htm

@@charlesbrown1245 I’m not talking about the Godhead that is three persons but one God. That part is correct. Who are “The Godmakers?” According to the LDD FAQ page Mormons believe that people can also one day ascend to being gods. That is 1, 2, 3, 4….hmm more than one. That is polytheistic. Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.” So when Isaiah wrote “nor shall there be any after me.” Where does that leave LDS except for polytheistic belief in the “little gods” heresy?

@@charlesbrown1245 Isaiha 9:6 “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon[a] his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Jude 1:5 “Jesus saved the people out of Egypt.” Jesus said multiple times “I and the Father are one.” The Trinity is 3 persons, one God and we see all three manifest in Matthew’s account of the baptism of Christ.

So Masonic handshakes are needed to get into heaven. Get real, You are pagan....

@@JohnSmith-fd4ws Real Jesus was not Lucifer’s brother. Real God was always God and there are no gods before or after Him.

@RobinSteward-ud5en And how do you know this? Do you believe that God is your Father?

@@JohnSmith-fd4ws God is our Heavenly Father. Jesus was His only begotten son. The Garden of Eden was not in Missouri, by the way. Another ridiculous claim. Christians are assured of their grace by faith-not works. Mormons get that grace (after doing all that you can do) but will not know for sure that they are saved until death. Christians already have the faith and assuredness. I hope that all Mormons will follow the true Jesus Christ and accept that grace and know that in the Bible there is no way to “earn” salvation. That has to be tiring. And, you guys have to get caught up on your tithe if you want a temple wedding.

@@SavageJoe1775 The truths of God have been restored to the earth through living prophets. If you are looking for a greater understanding of God, your Heavenly Father and your Savior Jesus Christ. I would highly invite you to listen to some general conference talks of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you’ve never read the book of Mormon, you should read it. I testify that it is the word of God along with the Bible. You will feel your Savior’s love. www.churchofjesuschrist.org

@@johnratliff4594 There’s only one question that really matters to be answered. Is Jesus Christ our Savior and Redeemer. Is he the literal only begotten son of God hi father in the flesh? Or, is he a metaphorical son figure of a genderless trinity? Which do you believe? Latter-day Saints believe in a three person Godhead, not in a mystical three in one combination of incomprehensible spiritual essence.

Maybe you didn’t understand the point. What is your biblical position? Do you believe and does your teaching support that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God the Father? If the doctrine of the Trinity is your foundational understanding of the characteristic of God then Jesus is just a metaphorical son figure. Since the Trinity is genderless, the Father god figure is just a metaphorical father as well.

The so called "historical Jesus" is a term constructed to give give credibility to Catholic and Protestant theology by their apologists. What they mean by "historical" is that you better believe how they tell it or you are damned to hell. To say that Latter-day Saints do not teach the Jesus of the Bible it is false at every level. Jesus is God's Son. Traditional Christianity does not teach this. Jesus is a member of the eternal Godhead and the Godhead is a trinity of divine beings. But Jesus isn't some invisible force stuck to some other invisible spirit force and becoming a man temporarily. There is no math where 3 equals 1 except in false theology. Philosopher/ theologians in the centuries after Christ and his apostles were killed convinced each other that this false equation was the case. They then established a precedent that any that didn't believe it would be heretics. It could be the grandest con scheme in the earths history. They enforced it by death to violators. It was called the Inquisition for Catholics and Protestants did something similar. www.christiantoday.com/article/the-dark-side-of-the-reformation-john-calvin-and-the-burning-of-heretics/117136.htm

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches as follows. There is only one Jesus who walked on the earth. It is historical. That is exactly who we teach. I think you mean Latter-day Saints do not teach of the Catholic and subsequently Protestant Jesus. Their idea of Jesus is as a metaphorical person who is a son figure but not actually God's son. Their teachings are not biblical but philosophical opinions of scholars. These mainstream Christian organizations do not teach that Jesus is the Son of God. Shouldn't a Chrisitian beleive and teach that Jesus is the Son of God and the only name by which we can be saved? 17 And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent. From the Book of Mormon, Mosiah 3 :17

@@parker_chess Here is the test of your theology. Do you believe that God created the family? Do you believe that the pattern of creation of us humans in the image of God, male and female is eternal or temporary? All things create after their own kind, male and female. Why do you think a genderless trinity did this? Do you believe Jesus was telling the truth when he said he was the Son of God, or that God was his father? Do you believe that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh.

Jesus specifically said not to add or take away from his word • THE BIBLE • JESUS CHRIST IS GOD IN THE FLESH ~ JESUS IS THE WORD/The Bible 📖 The BOOK of MORMON is fairy tales!!! Lies mixed in with truth

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie. But that last line was really biased and very anti-Christ.

@@SavageJoe1775 Do you mean saying that if the Trinity doctrine were true that God and Jesus would be metaphorical beings? I testify that they are real persons. Heavenly Father is the literal father of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the only begotten son of the father in the flesh. Assuming that the Trinity doctrine were true, since the Trinity concept denotes a genderless being, it cannot be two male beings. In order for it to fit the narrative of the Bible, the invisible genderless Trinity would need to transform into two male beings, who are father and son. They would be simply metaphorical, father and son since they are not literally such. This is what early ecumenical councils did that became foundational Catholic doctrine, which the Protestants also accept. This isn’t how they explain it to you because they don’t want faithful believers to have doubts about its truthfulness. It is simply the “philosophies of men.”

@@leeannballard6996 Don't use poor arguments against Mormonism because it only legitimizes them. The Biblical canon took centuries to develop and Revelation was the most controversial book included in the N.T. canon. And to this day people misinterpret Revelation moreso than any other book in the Bible. The truth is Christ established his Church and appointed Apostles. They ordained successors through the laying on of hands. Today we see a succession of Bishops going all the way back to the Apostles in both the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church.

A study of the history of those so called "restoration prophets" shows their works really aren't even comparable to Joseph Smith, the doctrines he taught and the Church he organized by the authority of Jesus Christ.

Did ALL of them claimed to be the RESTORED church of Jesus Christ? There was only one - Joseph Smith. The others simply interpreted the Bible like the other 44,000 + Christian denomination starters. Others don’t actually claim theirs IS the Church of Jesus Christ, only the way they interpret scripture - nothing more. Joseph Smith was either called as a modern day prophet (same responsibility as those of old) or he made up something quite unusual but very accurate to the teachings of ancient scripture. I believe the “fruits” speak for themselves - key doctrines, further knowledge/testimony of Christ restored as well as the living Gospel to direct us in our day. Note: contrary to popular belief God Our Heavenly Father has not retired/cease speaking to His children. Blessing to know who we really are and our purpose. Nations throughout the world recognize the good/Christ like actions that the Church does even when many do not understanding our Christian doctrine. False prophets? There must be true ones as well.

Is it your belief that the Biblical Jesus the Literal Only Begotten Son of God? Do you believe that The Heavenly Father of the Bible is the father of Jesus. Jesus said he was. Do you agreee?

I don’t think you know who your own Jesus is. Do you believe he is the actual son of God or something else?

Thanks, we had no idea. You are the first to ever tell us this. We will all drop out.

@@charlesbrown1245 If Latter Day Saints believe that couples become a god and goddess, then they’re not sharing the same belief. And considering the experience of many former members of the Latter Day Church being the One True Religion, the attempts to include Latter Day Saints to include themselves in the beliefs of other Christians. Not to mention the origins of the Church including plural marriage.

@@Ketowski ​​⁠​​⁠ The misinformed soundbites you hear at your Bible study classes or other places do not give a true picture of the doctrine of exaltation, which includes eternal marriage. God ordained marriage. The principle comes from God in heaven so it is definitely a heavenly principle. Most people that hear the idea of becoming like God do not even understand their own theology if they have one that they actually adhere to. What does it mean to be a child of God? Mainstream Christians do not believe that God has any children because the Trinity is a genderless God. They believe that God adopts people to become his children. Latter-day Saints also believe this step is part of becoming born again. The question is, where does our spirit come from? Traditional Christian theology teaches that God makes people’s spirit out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. That is a fact of the Universe. The Bible came through the pen and mouth of prophets. Modern Christianity uses the term prophet for some preachers but they have no authority that can be ascribed to be from Jesus Christ. Here are the true and living Apostles of Jesus Christ on the earth today. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/learn/quorum-of-the-twelve-apostles?lang=eng

Zeus and Apollo are the only two real gods. Zeus knew Joseph smith was a good man so Zeus gave him his own planet to rule

@@ciscocisco6119 Helen White, and Joseph Smith have nothing in common. The fact that you mention it simply means you don’t understand what it means to think critically about the subject. Your association of the two as a fallacy.

@@Seaker35 I don’t disagree with with Catholic people or protestant believers. Unless they’ve been indoctrinated, they believe pretty much the same things that I do. They believe God is a person. The theological underpinnings of Protestantism are the same as Catholicism. Protestants are just Catholics without a pope theologically speaking. They believe in an invisible Trinity God that is genderless. The history of the development of the doctrine is clearly post Christ. The ecumenical councils of the fourth century and beyond clearly demonstrate that they had lost their way. The reformers, including Martin Luther were not prophets. Joseph Smith was and is a prophet of God. Any person that that is sincere and seeking truth, will study his testimony and the message of The Book of Mormon can find that out by asking God about it. Protestant and Catholic apologists Ridicule him based on early false testimonies of Joseph Smith’s enemies and critics. The many falsehoods that resulted from this are what most people believe.

@@charlesbrown1245 any sincere person that acknowledges Jesus as God will know and understand that God cannot lie and that he’s word is absolute. When he said the gates of hell will not pro-bail against he’s church he means it.

It’s a Cult • plain & simple (So many FREE MASONS) running that business organization all for PROFIT/not prophet I follow NO MAN ~ only Jesus Christ 0f Nazareth (God in the FLESH) Been baptized by The Holy Spirit since I can remember (about 3 yrs old) ~ raised in the Mormon reLIEgion I dial direct straight to JesUS 🙏🏼🌺🍃 I pray these Mormons wake up before it’s too late because they are some of the nicest people ever ~ they’ve been indoctrinated unfortunately Praying for all to come to JesUS • King 0f Kings & Lord 0f Lords ~ Our Wonderful Creator & Messiah ✝️🌾🕊️

I’m not sure what your question is asking, but we don’t have to wonder what God wants us to know as far as what his word is because he has living prophets on the Earth that stand as spokesman for him in the leadership of his church.

@@charlesbrown1245 so you do not know what was changed. That is the answer. Joseph Smith changed the early revelation, like God needed correction. Here is just one, but other changes allowed things like polygamy and free mason temple works into the early church, both not of God. No Other Gift Book of Commandments 4:2 And [Joseph] has a gift to translate the book, and I have commanded him that he shall pretend to no other gift, for I will grant him no other gift. D&C 5:4 And you have a gift to translate the plates; and this is the first gift that I bestowed upon you; and I have commanded that you should pretend to no other gift until my purpose is fulfilled in this; for I will grant unto you no other gift until it is finished. I see you have placed your trust in the arm of flesh, a massive warning from the Book of Mormon. It’s crazy to me that members believe men over the Holy Scriptures that God gave to Joseph Smith.

@@charlesbrown1245 here is a massive change you should know: All Things Are Written Book of Commandments 15:3 “I give unto you a commandment, that you rely upon the things which are written; for in them are all things written, concerning my church, my gospel, and my rock. Wherefore if you shall build up my church, and my gospel, and my rock, the gates of hell shall not prevail against you.” Joseph also wrote that the angel Moroni (or Nephi if you want to be historically accurate) told him that “the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in [the Book of Mormon].” But when BC 15:3 was later published as D&C 18:4-5, it was altered: “I give unto you a commandment, that you rely upon the things which are written; for in them are all things written, concerning the foundation of my church, my gospel, and my rock; wherefore, if you shall build up my church upon the foundation of my gospel and my rock, the gates of hell shall not prevail against you.”

@@charlesbrown1245 he's referring to the drastic changes made in the different early editions of Book of Commandments/ D&C. The early D&C chapter 100 roughly denounced polygamy and said it was purely a slanderous accusation against the church, then the current one promotes it in D&C 132.

@@charlesbrown1245 Hebrews 1:1-2. KJB. “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days, spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;” Further, Luke 16:16 declares, “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Do not be deceived.

Thanks for. your comment. The non-Christian label is an attempt by professional critics to smear the church and misinform other Christian believers. We do not denigrate their Christian foundation just because we might think it is missing some elements of truth.

@@charlesbrown1245 to be fair, early Mormons claimed non-LDS are not real Christians, and to this day the LDS says all Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant baptisms are invalid since they lack LDS priesthood authority.

In Acts 19:3-5, why did Paul baptize those who had been previously baptized?

@@JasonChoate-xg3be because thr baptism of John was a Jewish baptism done under the old Testament. It didn't incorporate someone into Christ, it was not performed in the Name of Christ

Was Jesus’s baptism performed under that same Old Testament law? I believe that is your interpretation. Could it also be interpreted that some were baptized LIKE that of John’s but without proper authority that the apostles (Paul) had. Then why did John the Baptist baptized if everyone THEN needed RE-baptism? See my point?

@@mikebuckley46How so? It seems like they’re turning all of the churches across Europe into museums. Are you saying the protestants are wrong and never should have split off?

@@mikebuckley46 The Catholic Church contains some of the truth about Jesus Christ. It claims no revelation, however. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Savior’s restored Church, and he stands at the head of it and leads it by revelation through living prophets and apostles. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/?lang=eng

@@Jesusismysavior58 For myself as a latter-day saint I agree with what your observation. Not being able to partake of the fruit of the tree of life Adam and Eve would eventually die, and through the grace of Jesus Christ, be resurrected. The plan of salvation was ordained to before the foundation of the world. That means Jesus sacrifice was planned before the fall of Adam and Eve. That would also mean that the fall was part of the plan. Otherwise, there would’ve been no need for Jesus to come.

@@charlesbrown1245 we are all sinners in need of a savior as we all fall short of the glory of our Holy God and creator. More importantly, do you know that Jesus is God? The Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible is the Great I AM.

@@Jesusismysavior58 Certainly the things you say have truth. We are sinners in need of a savior. Jesus Christ is our Savior and Redeemer. He is the Son of God our Almighty Heavenly Father. They are a father and a son. He received all power from the Father to do the Father’s will. He was given power to create this world. He is the great I AM, the God of Israel. Again, he was acting under the power and authority of his and our Eternal Father. He lives and stands at the head of his church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That said, his love and grace extend to all people that have faith in his name wherever they get that from. And all who have not had a chance to know him and have faith in his name will have the opportunity to do so. That is the wonder of his plan.

@@charlesbrown1245 I noticed that you add your church name. Jesus Christ is the Head of His church and His believers are the body. It’s not about a religious sect. It’s about a personal relationship with Jesus. And it’s important to be sure you are following the true Jesus of the Holy Bible as he warns of many false Christ’s. As a former member of LDS church I am aware of the Jesus they follow, spirit brother of Lucifer. But the Bible teaches lucifer is a created cherub. The Jesus of LDS is not the Jesus of the Holy Bible.

@@Jesusismysavior58 Do you have a personal relationship with the Jesus who is a part of the invisible trinity before earth was created, or the Jesus who was born on the earth to temporarily be a male being as a metaphorical son of the father figure in the trinity?

Thanks for your comment. I feel the same way. The restored truth makes so much sense. It is hard to break down peoples perceptions of the many falsehoods that prevail on the Internet and in other Christian churches.

@@curtisdecker3175 except for none of the LDS temple works are biblical, and they contradict scripture. We take glory in our dead works… God help us.

@soundlycreative lol....ummm..... read your Bible and study history What you just said is that the Bible doesn't have these things when there's all kinds of ordinances that are taught.... if you don't believe that you have to put in any work when you follow Jesus, you likely don't believe that baptism is necessary either. Careful how you respond to this. You may walk yourself into looking like you have not read the Bible, but a few cherry picked verses here and there to justify a belief system..... careful now.

@soundlycreative don't be mad that we see all that is available and you're trying to cut back and minimize God.

@@curtisdecker3175 If you don’t know the Word of God, you will be deceived. The Bible is spiritually discerned, so we need God’s Holy Spirit to reveal His truth. You are now led astray in following the doctrines of a man, Joseph smith, who fails God’s prophet test. He was into the occult and used a seer stone in a hat to translate the BOM. His character was far from being a godly man. And most importantly, his doctrines are contrary to the word of God Almighty. All truth is found in the Holy Bible and will lead you to the only true Jesus Christ.

Which of the 44,000 + (Christian denominations worldwide) versions are we talking about? When I asked about the origins of Satan, one “Christian” told me that he was created pre-Earth life while another “Christian” said “that he was created at the time of the Creation.” Which is it? I believe Christians like you give greater adoration to the Bible as the absolute authority instead of God himself so YOU can come up with pick and choose, random interpretations or follow century old (non revelatory) creeds. Ya might read John 21:25 to know there was much more Jesus Christ did than can be in 66 books total. I don’t see any reference where the Lord specifically states the Bible with a capital B compiled in the 4th century is His only witness. People simply fall into traditions/interpretations that fit their narrative especially when they haven’t been given additional “pieces” to the puzzle. Nice to know the Lord still calls servants just like the days of old to reveal His will for us (scripture backed).

@@JasonChoate-xg3be it is not about a religious sect, it is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I know LDS believe they have been enlightened with these other doctrines less than 200 years old. Do you really believe God would wait until near the end of the time of the Gentiles to add new doctrine? The Holy Bible is complete and is all we need. But adding these other doctrines which teach of a different god, who was once a man and Jesus spirit brother of lucifer is leading you away from God’s word of truth. Lucifer was created by Jesus (Colossians 1:16). In John 1:1, it says, “ in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Further in John 1:14 it says the Word became flesh and dwelled among us.

"Do you really believe God would wait until near the end of the time of the Gentiles to add new doctrine? " There is no new doctrine. Joseph Smith revealed the things it talks about in the New Testament perhaps that had never been revealed. "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." "I became its servant by the commission God gave me to fully proclaim to you the word of God, 26 the mystery that was hidden for ages and generations but is now revealed to His saints." If you think waiting is problematic, Why did Jesus wait 4000 years to come to earth. Your logic makes no sense. You have a problem with God being a man? Don't you believe Jesus was God. He was a man. He lived on an earth. Do you have a problem with that. Jesus said that "he only does that which he has seen the Father do" Try getting into the full meaning of the Bible and God will open your eyes. It is your position that Jesus created Satan out of nothing? What was the purpose for that? Or was it a whoopsie by the Protestant Trinity. We teach of the one True God and of his Only Begotten Son in the Flesh. Joseph Smith was and is their prophet who restored true doctrines to the earth.

@@charlesbrown1245 when Jesus became a man He did it to save mankind. It was His mission before the foundation of the world. He was still fully God and fully man. The 2,000 years has been the time of the Gentiles to come in. Once that is fulfilled then it will be the time of Jacobs trouble. Tribulation and great tribulation for 7 years. You are lost because you believe in the teachings of a false prophet. And they are contrary to the pure word of God Almighty. I pray the Lord will open your eyes to His truth and that you will turn from all false teachings. That you Grow to love the pure truth and spirit that comes from God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit. Amen.