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A new VFD for the vintage lathe 

Rolingmetal
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@RockingJOffroad
@RockingJOffroad 5 лет назад
Yes, when I saw the notification from RU-vid, I was telling my Wife “ Finally my ears will be happy “ !
@andyZ3500s
@andyZ3500s 5 лет назад
Just turned my computer on haven't even watched the video yet. Congratulations I know this has been on your want list for a while. Thanks to the people who made this possible.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
It might make my videos a bit better :)
@kymcopyriot9776
@kymcopyriot9776 5 лет назад
What's left of my ears thanks you very sincerely! I run a very similar VFD on my old Hercus 260 lathe.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
I printed out a Hercus lathe operating manual, It was very good but hasn't helped a lot :)
@Blackcountrysteam
@Blackcountrysteam 5 лет назад
Nice drive regarding factory setting it's always a good move to set your motor current on the VFD helps if you get a stall etc !
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Agreed that might help the motor from burning out.
@infoanorexic
@infoanorexic 5 лет назад
You've thanked your donors. I thank your donors. Unseen things in the earth are probably thanking your donors... I usually cut the volume way back. But if I wasn't quick and the volume was up, it made me want to put my fist through the screen. I should make that sound into a ringtone. For the most annoying person in my 'phone book.'
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
But now the unwanted critters might back.
@shaunwhiteley3544
@shaunwhiteley3544 5 лет назад
Mine was set at 60hz by default and my table saw would not work unless I held in the power button. Once I changed it by turning the dial on the front to 50hz for 🇬🇧. The table saw switch worked correctly.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Some older motors don't do so well with a VFD, especially when the insulation is a bit wonky.
@lito11111940
@lito11111940 5 лет назад
You're a good guy Rolling. Thumbs up for this video !
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
That's probably open to discussion :)
@hulmeag
@hulmeag 5 лет назад
I have the same VFD on my Myford ML7. Works great
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
So far it has also worked good on my vintage Karger lathe. (the blue one)
@pgs8597
@pgs8597 5 лет назад
G’day RM, good to not hear your frequency drive, hope the new one performs well. No I didn’t notice the video quality change but then I watch this on my smartphone. Cheers Peter
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
most views these days seem to come form smart-phones. And you really need full hd for a screen the size of a post stamp.
@CodyHunt-op5jt
@CodyHunt-op5jt 21 день назад
Do you know how to change it from 50 hz to 60hz I can’t seem to get the cursor to show up and move to change the hz.
@cluideman
@cluideman 3 года назад
If Slim Whitmans steel guitar hadn't worked in Mars attack that there Allen Bradley sure would have done the deed
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC 5 лет назад
I didn't notice the resolution change, because I can't stream anything above 360p anyway.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
I guess we both need an upgrade.
@ActiveAtom
@ActiveAtom 5 лет назад
Nice upgrade, while we too agree with you about retaining the old now replaced Allen Bradley. We sure like your lathe babbitt or olite bronze bearings either one are good your machine looks nice to us in black it is a true elegant girl. Lance & Patrick.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
It has some worn tapered steel spindle journals with bronze bearings. But it's still usable bit.ly/2Z9kFUO
@crazyfeller5704
@crazyfeller5704 5 лет назад
Out of curiosity, regarding vat and whatever other fees your country charges. How many euros does a unit like that cost? If you prefer not to disclose, I understand. I can get one here in the states, off EBay, 1.5 kw, free shipping for $54.78, which is about 50 euro. Again, more of a curiosity regarding any additional fees than the actual cost. I recently had to buy a few parts from amadeal in the UK. I don’t believe they charged me all the taxes they hit their own citizens with. Shipped to my home, it was just a few dollars more than the web price. Thanks for sharing(even the noise from the AB VFD)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
VAT (BTW) is 21% over here but you don't need to pay that if you package slips though customs :) Packages below 22 euro are exempt from import an VAT taxes. Up to about 100 euro you only pay some import taxes. Also over the shipping cost. Above 100 euro you get to pay import taxes and VAT. I believe I payed 60 euro including shipping. Might also have been dollars as I used paypal.
@atowning
@atowning 5 лет назад
I'll miss the old Allan Bradley, was tunefull !
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
I agree it had a certain EDM quality :) You given up on youtube?
@Abbinc83
@Abbinc83 Год назад
Any idea how to setup the perimeters ? Mine keeps getting an over current fault err 1
@lb9970
@lb9970 3 года назад
Does the relay output work? I've set P51 to 20 but the relay doesn't actuate. I'm trying to wire up a start/stop circuit
@shaunwhiteley3544
@shaunwhiteley3544 5 лет назад
I got the same one a few months back. Not had much use but but has been working fine. My wiring is as bad as yours 😀 and as noisy. Cheers
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Yeah I need to make that wiring a bit more permanent at some point. But we all know how that goes :)
@MaturePatriot
@MaturePatriot 5 лет назад
Is the knife behind the box in the opening a 'German Eye'? It looks like one I had. Glad you could get you a new VFD.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
It's probably a German made Herder knife.
@zombieprinting2670
@zombieprinting2670 4 года назад
What size motor are you driving with 1.5 Kw vfd? Do these drives only allow 1/2 the motor hp they are rated for? trying to match one up. Thanks bud :)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 года назад
0.75 Kw (1hp) works fine. But some sort of protection against over heating would probably be advisable. I just check the motor temperature with my hands. Usually at slow speeds when running a bigger drill. No problem so far.
@DavoShed
@DavoShed 5 лет назад
I didn’t notice and resolution difference but you weren’t doing closeups of machine parts. Love the new sound! Do those vfd things have a motor inside them? Did you say one phase going in and three phases coming out?
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
No motor, just a box full with electrical bits. Most home used drives are 1 to 3ph but 3 to 3ph is also available
@DavoShed
@DavoShed 5 лет назад
Very interesting. So all that noise comes out of the electrical bits in that box. :)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
The actual noise comes from the motor. It acts as a kinda speaker for the carrier frequency of the vfd. The old vfd basically has a slow working computer that is in a better to hear audio range of the human ear.
@DavoShed
@DavoShed 5 лет назад
Very Interesting, Thanks for the explanation.
@johnstrange6799
@johnstrange6799 5 лет назад
Nice. I like the wide shot at like two minutes in. It'd make a decent channel banner image.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Looked a bit dark after uploading. YT seems to make my videos darker. Not sure I might also be my computer. But playing it online, using a browser. It definitely looks darker the before the upload using a media player. It's driving me crazy!
@johnstrange6799
@johnstrange6799 5 лет назад
@@Rolingmetal I like darker photos. More dramatic or something.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Lost of people like more contrast pictures but you loose a lot in details in the shadows.
@johnstrange6799
@johnstrange6799 5 лет назад
@@Rolingmetal True.
@EverettsWorkshop
@EverettsWorkshop 5 лет назад
Lol, you're hilarious! You could have recorded an "Old VFD Trio" with you and a couple buddies running the frequencies up and down on all three machines . . . granted, might have sounded like a horror movie soundtrack . . .
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
I bit like that Renault F1 engine they made play some anthem. That would be cool. But I'm not really musically inclined.
@walrus68000
@walrus68000 5 лет назад
I have a cheap XSY-AT1 that looks very very similar. Easy to use but its running the motor very hot in a short time. I read its the carrier frequency but the chinglish instructions are no help and there's no online info. Hope you do better.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
My motor on the blue lathe got rather hot when drilling at a slow speed. Cooling fan doesn't do much at slow speed. But as long as I'm careful and respect the limitations it should be fine (for a while)
@gangleweed
@gangleweed 5 лет назад
@@RolingmetalI've just bought a 2.2Kw one of these on Amazon for approx. A$90. it's to go with a Deckel D bit grinder package that I want to sell, and as the grinder is 3 phase it will be more saleable with a single phase option too. BTW, your motors will run hot if you run them slow and load them up, they don't like slow running because when the speed drops the amps consumed by the motor will rise to compensate for the slow speed. It's a bit like running a car slowly up hill in top gear and using the accelerator pressed hard down to keep the speed up. I use one of these drives on my small lathe and I run the lathe with a 1:3 reduction belt drive so that when I want a slow speed the motor is still turning over a bit fast. That also keeps some air blowing through the motor. Another solution is to attach a 120mm pancake fan to the motor end so you'll always have a good air supply blowing through the motor at all speeds.
@RasheedBarnes
@RasheedBarnes 5 лет назад
Video still looks good.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
It looked acceptable to me on a 24 inch full hd monitor.
@benmarca2
@benmarca2 4 года назад
How is the VFD performing after 6 months?
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 года назад
Zero complaints, and so far I have not been missing the lack of vector control.
@stemer1149
@stemer1149 5 лет назад
Very nice!
@HanstheTraffer
@HanstheTraffer 5 лет назад
Yes I was just saying, "Even a halfwit like Rolingmetal can do it." hahahahaha (you deserved that for that horrible sound of your old lathe)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
No problem, I can accept that :)
@HanstheTraffer
@HanstheTraffer 5 лет назад
@@Rolingmetal I was making fun of you calling yourself a halfwit. I actually consider you to be very intellegent...I mean ...obviously.
@darrenfloen2693
@darrenfloen2693 5 лет назад
hey man, love your videos
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Well thank you sir.
@Rustinox
@Rustinox 5 лет назад
I already start to miss this electrocuted chicken sound.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
So you asking for some sort of "best of" video? That might make the EDM people happy :)
@PeterPetrakis
@PeterPetrakis 5 лет назад
The resolution looked fine
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
It looked acceptable to me on a 24" full HD monitor. But most people these days stare a a pocket calculator.
@brosselot1
@brosselot1 5 лет назад
is that 110v signal phase or 240V
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
240 but it should work the same for 110.
@MrArray1967
@MrArray1967 5 лет назад
Regarding the video resolution my answer is no. I didn't notice it was a lower resolution. Regarding changing carrier frequency, I wouldn't do that. Raising the carrier frequency will raise the power losses due to hysteresis - and eddy current losses. Which implies heat dissipation will increase also.
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC 5 лет назад
That's one thing to consider, but those losses are going to occur in the motor. If it's limited thermal design that's a primary weakness in the cheap VFDs, it might simply be inadvisable due to the fact that raising Fc is going to increase switching losses and also reduce timing margins. I don't know how much I trust the design margins and questionable semiconductors to prevent delayed turn-off and catastrophic shoot-through in the switch bridge -- particularly if the thermal design allows them to run excessively hot.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
By default it is set to 10 kHerz and thats probably pretty high already. I doubt it will get much quieter.
@davesalzer3220
@davesalzer3220 5 лет назад
Dub in some local music over that screaming
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
I though people these days were into EDM.
@lacaver64
@lacaver64 5 лет назад
yes that is very very better and you have more torc
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Doesn't change the torque. But a vectoring drive might help a bit at slow speeds.
@pearcemachineshop5200
@pearcemachineshop5200 5 лет назад
Looks good I hope it’s lasts you along time, affiliated crap😁😁😁😁😁 I like that. Alan.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
I should probably read a marketing book someday, I think I kinda suck as a salesman :)
@walrus68000
@walrus68000 5 лет назад
My ears thank you. ;)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Hopefully this one will last a bit longer. I should probably not dig around inside :)
@metalworksmachineshop
@metalworksmachineshop 5 лет назад
Im not donating shit , untill you take a hammer to all the A-B units...lol... Im sure you will bring them back from time to time , for your amusement ..kidding...
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Sorry, but I probably need it again at some point :)
@andrewgardner7104
@andrewgardner7104 5 лет назад
Your eyes are better and now your ears will stop bleeding, happy days.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Time to make some more videos
@fredheilig
@fredheilig 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-D8zavX-9vVw.html Hier kan je zien hoe je deze frequentieregelaar ook kan gebruiken op enkelfase motoren.Let op het vermogen van de regelaar en of je de condensatoren laat zitten.
@markowen7164
@markowen7164 5 лет назад
it looked the same definition to me. M
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
I don expect you would see the difference If you used a smart-phone screen
@markowen7164
@markowen7164 5 лет назад
@@Rolingmetal it is a smart phone. M
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
glorifiedd pocket calculator!
@Richar602
@Richar602 6 дней назад
watched your video, have not learnt anything from it
@billcodey1430
@billcodey1430 5 лет назад
11:12 Not cool!
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
Nope. And it's probably going to hurt :)
@bustednuckles2
@bustednuckles2 5 лет назад
No more electronic fingernails on the chalkboard!!! SWEET!
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 5 лет назад
I can make you a compilation video. A best of....
@bustednuckles2
@bustednuckles2 5 лет назад
@@Rolingmetal Donate that thing to the Hague. they can use it to torture terrorists with.
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