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A Philosopher Reacts to Atlanta Season Three
Atlanta finally came back for its third season after a long break and things felt a little . . . different. And we think philosophy might help us understand why. Let's check it out in this Philosopher Reacts to Atlanta Season Three.
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@VivianSweets
@VivianSweets Год назад
This entire season of Atlanta was one big ghost story, and I loved every minute of it.
@Jimmy1982Playlists
@Jimmy1982Playlists Год назад
Same here... except for the last episode, unfortunately. 🤢 I'd been defending season 3 every step of the way till then lol
@AKIRTV9
@AKIRTV9 Год назад
last episode is great, i struggle to understand why most people don’t connect with it outside of the fact that it’s an over the top van episode… if it was an over the top darius episode i don’t think it will be treated this harshly
@VivianSweets
@VivianSweets Год назад
@@AKIRTV9 I really liked the last episode, early on in the season, I had convinced myself that Van had been possessed by a thrift store coat, and that was causing her break from routine, but then they're all just like "Nope it's mental illness." I felt like a fool for trying to out maneuver the writers, I should have known better. And the Ern button on the episode was chef's kiss level. Best show of all time.
@lowtech42
@lowtech42 Год назад
There's so many ghost allusions that have been deftly woven into the story. There's the main crew (except Earn) who seem to be possessed by pretas: hungry ghosts in Buddhism etc. with an animalistic urge to sate their suffering. They're one of the 6 forms one can inhabit in reincarnation (which is sometimes not literal in interpretation and represents a psychological state). All of them are shown to be eating prominently, particularly comfort foods like in these two episodes. All of the gang's struggles against capitalism also bring to mind the "spectre haunting Europe" from the Communist Manifesto. shout out to big poppa Marx. A deep leftist cut is Mark Fisher's "Capitalist Hauntology" too, who unfortunately met the same fate as white Earn. It feels like the kinda thing Donald and the writers would be hip to. There's also Episode 1, with the Lake Lanier incident. Then the young boy Loquarius whose name is likely a portmanteau of Loa + Aquarius. The latter is of course Latin for "water bearer" but the former are supernatural spirits from voodoo and African (Yoruba) religious beliefs that act as mediums for communication between humans and the creator (Bondye). The key thing is they communicate through dreams 👁️ There's also the episode with Sylvia who coulda been attempting to deliver the family pictures from beyond the grave 👻 Ghosts tend to be associated with curses, which Donald said the S3 theme was "freeing white people from the curse of whiteness." Honestly I have to stop myself here because each season could have it's own book breaking down the deep symbolism, cultural references, and it's significance among the character's in the show's own context. I wholeheartedly agree that its likely the best show running and definitely my favorite ‼️🙌🏿
@bowow6988
@bowow6988 Год назад
It’s like how Jim Crow is a ghost. It’s still haunting me like I’m the girl from poltergeist.
@sLePpInG
@sLePpInG Год назад
I think the hangover guy didn't notice he stole it at first, he's distracted by the barista and puts it in his pocket as if it was his phone -- it says he isn't entirely aware of the things his ancestors stole, but is happy to reap its benefits and get away with it. The show is amazing in the way that is both on your face and super subtle. my favourite TV show and s3 cemented it.
@RichardServello
@RichardServello Год назад
The point was that he lives in a privileged life that he doesn’t go back to pay for it when he realizes his mistake, he smiles and is happy he got a free treat. It doesn’t even register as a crime with him.
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Год назад
I think it’s a commentary on how white privileged can blind you to even the things should be negative to you or a criticism from black culture don’t even register
@sarahbond689
@sarahbond689 Год назад
I would say the fact that he was able to get distracted and put something in his pocket is a statement by itself as a person of color I'm always thinking about how not to look suspicious, but I'm trying to bake something. Going as far as checking in with the people at Bath and Body Works if I want to look at the table closer to the exit (back into the mall) while carrying my things. I think a testament to that would be the lady who followed Van and later episodes and accuse her of stealing the wig that she bought.
@mycollegeshirt
@mycollegeshirt Год назад
@@sarahbond689 yeah I don't think white people realize how much thought goes into trying not to look suspicious. In everyday public life. But no it's heavily implied that van did steal that wig, Atlanta is not an apologetic show looking for simpathy like that.
@williambeale8275
@williambeale8275 Год назад
@@RichardServello I agree with Richard. I think his revelation of stealing the cookie was less on-the-nose sinister and more just an ignorance/jadedness that comes with privilege. He noticed he got a free treat and he he just saw it as a typical good thing because typically good things happen to him. When in actuality, he stole the cookies. But not only that, he fails to realize that American society was built to allow people who look like him to receive these advantages and this isn't a product of his individual "good luck". Then the rest of the episode shows this in a macro sense.
@toneriggz
@toneriggz Год назад
Trini 2 De Bone was one of the most honest episodes ever. Manhattan is full of little kids being raised by West Indian nannies.
@whoisbenjaminblack7880
@whoisbenjaminblack7880 Год назад
TRUTH 👏
@kennethjoseph6349
@kennethjoseph6349 Год назад
Them coconuts choose that profession . Who cares Z they just modern day mammies & don’t realize it .
@toneriggz
@toneriggz Год назад
@@user-hc2tu7ul7j I don’t think it was for wealthy people. I’m not wealthy, didn’t have a nanny. I relate to it because it’s something I’ve observed in Manhattan. And it wasn’t just about the rich family. They were fish out of water at the wake. The nanny’s daughter was upset at her mother for raising a rich White kid. Her kids suffered because of her job. It was deep. You might not relate to a rich kid having a West Indian nanny. But you might relate to it if you’ve seen these nannies or know some/related to them. In the end, their child was really the nanny’s child. The nanny was always there for the kid while the parents were either working or living their lives.
@toneriggz
@toneriggz Год назад
@@user-hc2tu7ul7j Ok that’s your experience. But I’m sure it resonated with others from similar situations. And the in that episode, the wife didn’t really care for the nanny. She was trying to replace her. So, I think covering as many bases as possible between rich families that care and those that don’t. I knew a rich girl who had a West Indian nanny and her family was close to her for decades.
@ClayWhiteman
@ClayWhiteman Год назад
I would pay for you to do whole episodes. Love seeing some black philosophers along with Sartre too!
@actualnotanewbie
@actualnotanewbie Год назад
Nine Need Yards did some INCREDIBLE breakdowns of every episode!
@ComeWatchTV
@ComeWatchTV Год назад
I did a video essay on "New Jazz"-- I would love for you to check it out!
@Jimmy1982Playlists
@Jimmy1982Playlists Год назад
@@ComeWatchTV You did a good job... keep it up!
@ComeWatchTV
@ComeWatchTV Год назад
@@Jimmy1982Playlists thank you so much!
@RichardServello
@RichardServello Год назад
This has been my favorite show since episode one. This season was next level amazing.
@bboykman
@bboykman Год назад
One part that this video missed would be critique around the 18:40 scene where Earn and paperboy talk about how a black person who manages to uplift their people from poverty to become self reliant always gets killed by the government. An example would be the multiple black communities in america around the 1900's-1940's in which self sustaining black communities which grew their own wealth would succumb to white mobs burning their communities down and forcing them to leave whatever they had built. FD signifier has a great video on it titled Why "I don't dream of labour" doesn't work and it bring to the forefront the idea of why black pessimistic thought has been in the minds of black americans as they came to realise no matter how much they played into the system and they would be always some facet of white supremacy waiting to topple that success
@sinnsage
@sinnsage Год назад
yeah episode 1 of season 3, that whole episode is based on true things that happened. the beginning on the lake, that story is true and ppl do die in that lake all the time, more than other similar lakes. and if you look into that story, it was just another instance of what you’re describing happening. and of course we know that sad story of devonte brown and his adopted siblings. the pessimism is understandable, and almost doesn’t seem like the right term for it…it’s like, the inescapable reality. i don’t want to accept it but of all the centuries of hoping for something better for black people, even a modicum of equality, society isn’t much closer to that so words like pessimism and optimism seem utterly pointless. hope that made sense.
@Hometown989
@Hometown989 Год назад
love that vid from FD! And yes, the stories you reference are undertold and harder to tell with ppl trying to erase history smh
@samr2478
@samr2478 Год назад
I find it interesting that this video doesn't DIRECTLY attempt to address the Eurocentric views that are prevelant in philosophy. When watching this season I was exploring it through a racial lense, a financial lense, and my own personal experience. It's always fascinating to get someone elses take on art.
@Phronesis7
@Phronesis7 Год назад
THIS!
@williampearson6299
@williampearson6299 Год назад
Right? I think that's why a lot of black people on the Left keep freaking out. They feel that their views and experiences don't matter in America. Black history, philosophers, economists etc. It's a little unfair to label black Americans Marxists when they have nothing to do with Karl Marx. Why don't you pull up a philosopher from their black experience?
@SurrealSurrender
@SurrealSurrender Год назад
💯 I give Wisecrack props for giving us a philosophical perspective of Atlanta from a White lens. I think that lens allows us non-White viewers to see not only how deep the White lens can go to understanding Atlanta’s social commentary, BUT also what it fails to understand as well, which can help us non-White folks better understand how and where “bad faiths” can be birthed from. Exploring those limitations can allow for a clearer understanding on how to expose and combat the further propagation of “bad faiths”.
@Jimmy1982Playlists
@Jimmy1982Playlists Год назад
@@SurrealSurrender Well-put! As a light-skinned Arab-American, I know what it feels like to be looked at as "white" one minute, and the "other" in the next... which is why I absolutely love the recurring theme of season 3, voiced by "White Earn" at the beginning of episode 1. If I had one wish for the planet, it'd be that white people realize how bad white supremacy, and the whole idea of "whiteness", damages them, too... and men to realize what patriarchy and toxic masculinity does to damage them, and so on (cis people and homophobia - native-born and xenophobia, etc)... It should be enough to see how awfully it hurts the alleged _"Other"_ but, unfortunately, it seems only then that real change might be made. Same with our devastation of the planet. We're destroying _ourselves._
@Daniel-nt5uc
@Daniel-nt5uc Год назад
This episode got me thinking about how the scramble for Africa is occurring again with America and China battling it out in Africa over influence by introducing their culture, currency, and military bases. Back then it was about taking Africa by force now it's about a debt trap
@DEAF175
@DEAF175 Год назад
neocolonialism! interesting term, I read about it and my whole perspective changed. nice name btw
@domsquared9878
@domsquared9878 Год назад
@@DEAF175 in high school my senior English class was centered around neocolonialism
@DEAF175
@DEAF175 Год назад
@@domsquared9878 thats awesome!! what state or country did you go to highschool? Did you study it applied on literature/art or a more socioeconomic aspect of it?
@williampearson6299
@williampearson6299 Год назад
But China is still more reasonable than Europe however they act. Europe and America threaten and bomb Africa and still churn out negative propaganda. Maybe Europe can learn from China's strategies.
@domsquared9878
@domsquared9878 Год назад
@@DEAF175 New Jersey, US, in that class it was mostly through literature
@RichardServello
@RichardServello Год назад
Want your mind blown even further. Every time Earnest (the white guy in the hunters jacket) shows up in this season, he’s voiced by Donald Glover (who plays Earn).
@Dan1elAndrade
@Dan1elAndrade Год назад
BULLSHIT nah man I call BS :O
@daylanberry7955
@daylanberry7955 Год назад
Dude i hear it in the voice but I can’t find any source on this.
@sinnsage
@sinnsage Год назад
i love how both their names are Earnest. (although for Earn and him being nicknamed “Earn” i think it might have a different connotation) but i find it interesting that the white guy is name Earnest. like he has no bad intentions, he maybe earnestly wants equality and to not do racialized harm, but that doesn’t matter. the harm happens simply due to the whiteness and his Earnestness is depressingly irrelevant.
@CottonCandySharks
@CottonCandySharks Год назад
This was really well done! As a white person this actually helped make things clearer. I think it's scary to think that the debt will never be paid, or it has to be equal, which is impossible without white slaves. But that's not what's being championed. Concrete atrocities happened in that past that are still affecting black people today, and so in order to level the field for future generations we need to do concrete things. Need to invest in black communities, schools, neighborhoods, businesses. Not just a token amount to make us feel better, but even more than equal for a while, until it really is equal.
@JROTCBALL
@JROTCBALL Год назад
Season 3 was so freaking good, and I definitely feel like this show was snubbed on Emmys 😭
@RichardServello
@RichardServello Год назад
If it wasn’t nominated for literally everything, you’re correct
@leafroadlounge
@leafroadlounge Год назад
They gave away the code.
@adrianseanheidmann4559
@adrianseanheidmann4559 Год назад
Who cars about the fucking Emmys anyway?
@kaneaquino8295
@kaneaquino8295 Год назад
Next: The Cast of Atlanta react to a Philosopher reacts to Atlanta Season 3
@dafellaz6
@dafellaz6 Год назад
We can only pray
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Год назад
Well done, waiting for the preview👏 😂😂😂
@Thefamilychannel723
@Thefamilychannel723 Год назад
🙂
@chrisrosenkreuz23
@chrisrosenkreuz23 Год назад
The point of the cookie was not that it was stolen (he did it unintentionally) but the contentness of profiting from it because he didn't inted to steal it. It was basically bestowed upon him through no ill will of his own (like his white privilege)
@chooseitwisely98
@chooseitwisely98 Год назад
He missed the raccoon on the jersey 😅 very interesting to see Michael's perspective on this. Id love to see yall do more collabs and expand to include the perspectives of philosophers from different backgrounds. Folks like FD Signifier!
@kingjoeblack5
@kingjoeblack5 Год назад
Fd signifier is an out of touch academic. He literally has nothing more to add than Micheal
@chooseitwisely98
@chooseitwisely98 Год назад
@@kingjoeblack5 I- 💀💀 yea ok sure
@stevenmonsanto5324
@stevenmonsanto5324 Год назад
@@kingjoeblack5 source?
@TooDamnTall
@TooDamnTall Год назад
I feel like that was a purposeful omission. That is one of those in your face racist things it can be hard for a white person to eloquently navigate around without being demonetized on RU-vid or cancelled on Twitter lol
@TheModernAlchemix
@TheModernAlchemix Год назад
I love the comprehensive approach to discussing such a show full of sociopolitical commentary ♥️
@rye419
@rye419 Год назад
This show and this season is a masterpiece.
@AKATakisOfficial
@AKATakisOfficial Год назад
This show is genius. From Earn's dreams being shown in season 1 to here with the hands reaching for him and the surrealism, symbolism and it being all explained fully in the latest episode of season 4.
@TheHipStory
@TheHipStory Год назад
watching a white guy talk about the philosophy of Atlanta is SO UNINTENTIONALLY FUNNY for some reason..still love yall doe
@Elon153
@Elon153 Год назад
Philosophy is universal.
@kingjoeblack5
@kingjoeblack5 Год назад
He’s struggling so hard😂😂😂
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Год назад
it’s like something they’d have in an Atlanta episode: “viewers listen to White Philosopher analyzing show that highlights black people’s perspective of white culture” 🤔lol
@chiaravivini4939
@chiaravivini4939 Год назад
They have a black host on this channel so why do not put him
@chiaravivini4939
@chiaravivini4939 Год назад
And next time we are going to have a wisecrack video about ROSA PARKS being analysed from the point of view of Jared a WHITE MAN stay tuned
@mahlatsimamabolo6179
@mahlatsimamabolo6179 Год назад
The episode with the English lady “colonising” the Nigerian business, is also a great representation of how European colonisers infiltrated African states and cultures back then. The way she “uses” her buddy Darius to introduce her to the restaurant, and to “measure” the opportunity, before finally taking over. This is similar to how the English posed as missionaries, became familiar with a tribe of people, get that tribe to help them explore the land and understand the other indigenous tribes before finally (forcibly) colonising that land.
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
White people back then knew they were to weak to win by force and so their racist ideologies stem from a desire to justify their own capabilities by devaluing black people.
@HussOnTheBeat
@HussOnTheBeat Год назад
Moat telling part from that scene for me was her telling Darius she hates fish immediately after telling him they owned a seafood restaurant as a side venture
@nlsantiesteban
@nlsantiesteban Год назад
Also, Ern needs to be reminded of the Audrey Lorde quote, sumthinglike, the master’s tools will never tear down the master’s house.
@Chevvey
@Chevvey 5 месяцев назад
Really enjoyed this one thanks guys, also side note love Atlanta too!!
@usamah5550
@usamah5550 Год назад
I could watch your commentary on Atlanta all day mate
@thatonecrazybrownguy3631
@thatonecrazybrownguy3631 Год назад
Here after season 4 finale and damn did this show hit different and I am gonna miss it ;(, and glad I saw the original wise crack video when i was 16 on Atlanta surealism wisecrack a real one.
@YoungSwaggness
@YoungSwaggness 6 месяцев назад
Great analytics my man 👍🏾
@WisecrackEDU
@WisecrackEDU 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching this.
@AdrianAye
@AdrianAye Год назад
9:51 was one of my favorite scenes of TV history.
@slatt__
@slatt__ Год назад
in my opinion, this was easily the best season and one of my favorite seasons from any tv show ever. so intriguing and i was excited every week for the next episode
@dafellaz6
@dafellaz6 Год назад
I hope they keep em comin and FX don't try to f it up
@kennethjoseph6349
@kennethjoseph6349 Год назад
This shit was weak
@dafellaz6
@dafellaz6 Год назад
@@kennethjoseph6349 nu uh
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Год назад
I mean that FIRST season was VERY real for young black Americans esp a lot of black men but I feel this last season was great at showing the greater black diaspora’s relationship to different communities
@slatt__
@slatt__ Год назад
@@dafellaz6 theres one more season coming this year, and this will be the end. it finished filming and everything, hope its a great finale
@Tony-qr8du
@Tony-qr8du Год назад
I've been waiting for this one
@realbrizza
@realbrizza Год назад
This was amazing and reinvigorated my love for philosophy. Thanks again wisecrack
@AlexA-dr4yx
@AlexA-dr4yx Год назад
Great video. When it comes to the limits of change our system can/will tolerate and Afropessimism, I think it's interesting to note that Atlanta has also toyed with the definition of what it means to be 'White'. When the Hangover Guy's wife leaves him she states that she's Persian, and can't be associated with him, to which Hangover Guy says something like "You were white yesterday!" showing that Whiteness is a social status (what the vampire guy said in the first episode) When Wilderson states that Black people are disconnected from other nonwhite peoples I think it's because Whiteness was manufactured to just mean not Black and as long as those identities exist they will separate and isolate Black people from all others. When Fanon discussed creating a new version of humanism he's arguing imo for us to redefine the categories by which we define ourselves so that we can actually be in community with each other. But as Sarte and Wilderson note, as long as the systems and institutions we have in place instantiate Whiteness there's not much we can do.
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
There's also the fact that whiteness is treated as the default world viewpoint as opposed to simply American culture. In fact money, institutions and money combine whiteness with American culture and used this combined concept to diminish non white ideas/cultures and the only international culture that is acknowledged in mass media is the UK. And the UK has its own ugly history of diminishing non white people's. Non white public figures such as President Obama are measured against whiteness. They aren't measured or examined under a different lens because it pays money to make whiteness the default viewpoint globally. This explains the old man and the tree episode where MK the Asian American woman was harassed for being racist under the viewpoint of whiteness and her interactions with Darius are framed around whiteness instead of her home city of Los Angeles.
@_abracadabra
@_abracadabra Год назад
*Peruvian, not Persian. I agree with your assessment though.
@dortezmeyers8970
@dortezmeyers8970 Год назад
More of these please and thank you!!!
@ChaunSmith
@ChaunSmith Год назад
Great analysis!
@LiterallyJustTheWorst
@LiterallyJustTheWorst Год назад
Did anyone else notice how half of this season was just... "Black Mirror"? ... Tell me it wasn't just me that got the reference and joke in the vehicle for message delivery.
@TheCreepypro
@TheCreepypro Год назад
man there is more to this show than I thought
@theocnetwork1521
@theocnetwork1521 Год назад
I like your take on this but do you plan on uploading a part 2 ?
@alvapazz
@alvapazz 9 месяцев назад
I loved this series. I haven’t been so happy watching something since I watched spirited away years ago. This show is magic. I loved Donald. Genius!
@ramoncruz6646
@ramoncruz6646 Год назад
Something that also made me say "uh oh" watching the episode in the food truck part is that the cooker wasn't Nigerian or even black, it was (I think) asian
@lancesharpe6163
@lancesharpe6163 Год назад
They (he Central Park 5) weren’t Black men, they were Black boys, teens at most.
@kevinhenderson5928
@kevinhenderson5928 Год назад
And there was no murder.
@psulionz87
@psulionz87 Год назад
amazing vid!
@destinyforreal9744
@destinyforreal9744 Год назад
This is a great video what an awesome way to modernize classic ideas I started watching I thought old is might be just about pop-culture then I started getting into it this is really smart
@tristan5796
@tristan5796 Год назад
Please do the rest of the season
@prometheus1606
@prometheus1606 Год назад
More episodes on Atlanta S3, please 😀😀😀
@TheMjsanty
@TheMjsanty Год назад
That was brilliant
@stevenboelke6661
@stevenboelke6661 Год назад
Guilt isn't heritable. The benefits of privlege are passed down, but the solution isn't to make random individuals pay for the crimes of their forefathers. The individuals responsible may be gone, but society is neither blameless nor dead. Reconstruction should have addressed this after the civil war, but it didn't. The solution is equity for all which would of course have to be funded via a fair tax system. Class justice is racial justice and vice versa.
@kingjoeblack5
@kingjoeblack5 Год назад
It wasn’t random individuals. It was literally ONLY the people who inherited wealth from the enslavement of black people. Reparations has never been about who’s responsible, it’s about who was harmed. There were plenty of random individuals who didn’t have to pay anything. Class reductionism ain’t the way.
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
The reparations episode was satire. It wasn't intended to be taken seriously. It was supposed to mock white people's reactions and explanations for slavery and systemic racism. I just find it disappointing so many people took the reparations in the Atlanta universe at face value but then treated the Black Justin Beiber as satire. Smh.
@MartyD
@MartyD Год назад
such an interesting season
@dafellaz6
@dafellaz6 Год назад
I hope they keep em comin and FX don't try to f it up
@pvtpain66k
@pvtpain66k Год назад
11:30 This is the guy in the end credits of the last episode. Earn opens the bag that's not his, with a bag of meds, shirt and family picture.
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
Earn stayed in the same hotel and the white Earn was real and he committed suicide while Earn was still in Europe. White Earn stayed in the hotel first.
@TheresaWheeler
@TheresaWheeler Год назад
I loved this season.
@BasicDrumming
@BasicDrumming Год назад
Great video.
@malayerba71
@malayerba71 Год назад
Absolutely brilliant and genius show...!!!
@notsurewhat2put
@notsurewhat2put Год назад
Gr8 analyses
@thomaslyons441
@thomaslyons441 Год назад
So, my white ancestors came from Ireland during the famine. Does that mean I don't need to pay slavery reparations, or that England should pay me reparations?
@AussieRoos
@AussieRoos Год назад
I was born in Scotland with Irish peasantry ancestry = zero white guilt. Our ancestors were getting farked over long before 1619. Facts
@diodorussiculus2186
@diodorussiculus2186 Год назад
Both.
@JasonHitzert
@JasonHitzert Год назад
I think the maturity of Earn, Van, Darius and Paper Boi means they are having to confront more complex problems. I think as they become better at what and who they are in the world, as they do we're seeing the world in a different way through that complexity.
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
Exactly. That's what I believe story was Atlanta Season 3 was about. But I understand for some people Season 3 wasn't as entertaining as the 1st two seasons. But I think it's not just about entertainment. It's about understanding who these characters are and how they are entering more complicated situations because they're making more money.
@JasonHitzert
@JasonHitzert Год назад
@@RenaldyCalixte they've been so good for one another too. They each are aspiring to become mature and complex. I'm 53 years old and when I look back at my life I realize the things that are important are what they seem to be aspiring too. I think, most people could learn a lot about where they need to go in their personal development from watching these characters and how thoughtful they are dealing with the insanity around them.
@not.here.nat.
@not.here.nat. Год назад
Donald Glover should have uploaded this before airing season 3... Regrardless, love his work, as always!
@andysawyer647
@andysawyer647 Год назад
I will probably give offense where none is intended but here goes. The reparations episode was intentionally aggressive and alienating. Her character was designed to be abrupt and alienating and entitled. Sheniqua was the avatar for his ancestors actions and a Kwame Ture wet dream. Marshall is the avatar of whiteness ability to detach from "other people's" problems. He passively benefits from being so "normal" through his dress and demeanor that he literay gets to rob the store becaise the cashier felt it necessaryto harass and escalate with the black customer. He also did not interject on his behalf. There is a concept thats typical "American" families are insular divested of the troubles of there extended or nuclear family. This is not a thing with many "minority" families and often extends to people in our surroundings. When he was advised what to do by the black person it was not even worth finishing because not accepting social debt has been conditioned in to the many white people. On The Boys MM's ex-wife's new husband idolizes Homlanders "FYou" attitude to the point of astonishment during his I'm Better speech. Marshall's is co-worker quickly says the same. Ghost Earn is not at ease accepting that social responsibility even after their talk at the hotel. Marshall's downward arc was created to show people how unfair the systems in place feels. His refusal to listen as his other co-worker in the bathroom cost him money, but his change in perspective prevented the added injury of guilt and aggrievement that the red-haired lady co-worker suffered.
@MaskedHeart
@MaskedHeart Год назад
I can dig it
@leafroadlounge
@leafroadlounge Год назад
Thank you
@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460
@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460 Год назад
Preach it, Andy Sawyer, PREACH IT!!!!!!!
@dracojoule
@dracojoule Год назад
Atlanta is an amazing show, probably in my top 3 all time. Everything about how it balances social commentary, humor, and story telling is unlike anything I've seen. I liked seasons 1 and 2 more because I enjoyed the narrative of Earn, Van, Darius, and Paper Boi all trying to make it, but season 3 definitely had a lot of great moments. I thought your interpretation of the episode 4 was interesting; I personally saw that episode as a parody of what a lot of white people think reparations would look like: white individuals directly repaying black individuals for crimes their ancestors committed. The episode takes the idea to an extreme on purpose imo to kind of act as a visual representation of that unrealistic fear/resistance some white people have toward reparations. In reality, reparations would come from the government (obviously funded by taxes, but where the financial responsibility isn't solely on individuals) but people still resist the idea anyway. I think it's ridiculous to assume that people are responsible for the sins of their ancestors. Sons don't go to jail if their father committed murder; the idea that actions taken by people who aren't you and that you had no say in those actions yet are still responsible for them is ridiculous. That being said, you can't ignore the impact that those actions have had. The episode shows the dangers of white guilt with how the Earnest guy kills himself over it in the pool. Being consumed with guilt over actions you didn't commit is incredibly unhealthy, and a lot of white kids will grow up with this sense of guilt upon learning about the nation's history. That being said, you have to understand where people are coming from and you can't be ignorant to the impact slavery and racism have had on this country and on Black people. You can't deny someone's plight simply because you don't personally see it because you think it doesn't affect you, because it DOES affect you. It's like how the shoe presents the "curse of whiteness" that haunts every fabric of this nation, and people need to realize that it is bad for everybody
@kymCPT
@kymCPT Год назад
Thinking wouldn’t it be amazing if Spike Lee directed an episode 🤔
@donnysmoke
@donnysmoke Год назад
More Fanon on this channel plzzzzz
@Neversoft2489
@Neversoft2489 Год назад
I imagine I'll get flack for this take (and I may well be wrong!), but the episode on reparations was more complicated than the host of this video made it seem. It was an exercise in let's do to white people what they did to others, which was interesting and thought provoking to watch. However, it seemed to complicate the wisdom of this idea, as Ernest killed himself after that speech and the ending at the restaurant and seemed to present class issues. Perpetuating pain by inflicting it on the descendants of those who inflicted it does not represent solidarity or progress. Also, the host said the daughter was free of the curse, which didn't seem like a logical reading. The main character's wife was Peruvian and likely white but she changed her heritage when it was convenient and now his daughter will also be part of that lineage.
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
The entire reparations episode was satire mocking white interpretations of racial inequalities that stem from slavery in the United States. These false interpretations avoid the fact that the systems that created slavery in the US are still present today and harm black people in smaller subtle ways. We see these subtleties through the eyes of Doug the man white Earn talks to. White Earn represents a white progressive. He can explain the systemic inequalities related to race but ultimately isn't willing to suffer alongside black people. He is satisfied with only having an intellectual understanding and when faced with living under worse conditions he commits suicide undermining his wisdom completely. And the reason the episode switched to economic inequalities was to show that white people who say all lives matter and slavery is gone therefore everything is fine are ignorant. They fail to understand that even if racism is 100% gone some other form of inequality will replace it. Therefore ignoring the history of oppression is a bad idea because it allows power balance to continue in modern day to day society.
@kemalkaharuddin2668
@kemalkaharuddin2668 Год назад
Agree wholeheartedly
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
@@kemalkaharuddin2668 How come you don't agree with my argument?
@brandonlmartin1993
@brandonlmartin1993 Год назад
Slow claps for this amazing video
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Год назад
I love your videos and this channel BUT I feel like this video hella missed the mark in analyzation and doesn’t delve deep enough from the view point of like, the actual Black/African-American diaspora. Which is fundamental to understanding a lot of the semiotics in this show since most of them are from a non-Eurocentric pov. There’s a lot scenes and events that ref a lot Black history, culture, philosophers, African history and culture, when you don’t know those things or use European culture and view of history to understand them, you don’t get the deeper meaning but a VERY different meaning all together. Like, you hardly quote ANY black philosophers and poets (modern nor current) when there are so many who’ve spoken extensively on a lot of these subjects (I was expecting, as oppose to most vids where you resource a lot of euro-centric/white philosophers and few non-white ones, you’d have primarily black philosophers, psychologists, and poets for this) making your substantiations seem quite out of touch. Very surprising but hopefully this tidbit doesn’t discourage you but helps with any future similar videos, again, love the channel! Keep up the work! 👍🏿
@fcktherich6913
@fcktherich6913 Год назад
You should do it!👍
@fcktherich6913
@fcktherich6913 Год назад
I think that's why he picked themes and topics that stood out to him as a white philosopher and didn't try to take a black perspective. Also I don't think they have the time and budget on this channel for big collaborations (so far as I've seen) I too would like to see the kind of video you suggested if there is someone who does huge projects like that on RU-vid
@MaskedHeart
@MaskedHeart Год назад
🔦🔎🕯🔍📹📸🎥📽🎬💻 make ya own vid, drop dem bars.
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Год назад
@@fcktherich6913 I feel you, I just feel if that’s the case then they shouldn’t do it at all or use your platform to give someone else that has that knowledge and perspective (there are quite a few white Black history and culture academics). Otherwise you just inadvertently end up enforcing the euro-centric lens of Black culture that a lot of folks outside the Black Community (not just white people) naturally default to seeing things through due to western schooling and education system, defeating the whole point of the video in the first place. You can see it the comments with folks taking what he’s saying as gospel but warping it even more when even HE isn’t seeing it the right way.
@lildtripp
@lildtripp Год назад
Wisecrack doing Atlanta! Probably the fastest like I’ve ever gave
@jhonklan3794
@jhonklan3794 Год назад
"His history" It has nothing to with him. He neither chose it nor has a connection to his ancestors.
@lordkayx
@lordkayx Год назад
Why the fuck does wisecracks "A Philosopher Reacts to Atlanta Season 3" stir more feelings, emotions, and thoughts in me than anything ive seen in the past 5 years?????
@varunbendre
@varunbendre Год назад
Great video. About the last point you made, it's not that real change isn't possible, or can never be achieved, it's that it can't be achieved *under* capitalism. The social relations associated with capitalism are too intertwined with colonialism and white supremacy to ever be separated. We cannot end one without also ending the other.
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
The problem with this is that other economic systems have weaknesses intertwined within them. Communism is intertwined with authoritarianism and utilitarianism. Socialism is intertwined with inefficiency and lack of innovation. Communism puts too much power in the hands of governornment to redistribute resources to the people. And there is no systemic protection against the government paying themselves to redistribute wealth and then enforcing laws on people that eliminates the ability to privatize (or accumulate individually) wealth. This transforms a society into a utilitarianists society as opposed to a self determined one. The government cares for the people as a whole and the individual has no power or no ability to effect change in the government because it could limit the value of services given to a majority of people as a whole. Socialism means no incentive to innovate the means of production or innovate the quality of goods produced. The government controls production and that limits the amount of profit that one can make. This limits the drive to innovate or create new products. The government essentially suppresses the growth of different industries as a way to keep costs down but it harms the potential for improvement within an industry.
@vengefulhero
@vengefulhero Год назад
Do one on the bear. Please.
@monstersock980
@monstersock980 Год назад
pleaseeee make a vid about season finale
@Jimmy1982Playlists
@Jimmy1982Playlists Год назад
"Have the courage to read it, primarily because it will make you feel ashamed, and shame, as Marx said, is a revolutionary feeling." --Jean-Paul Sartre on reading Fanon Which is exactly why all those right-wingers in the US refuse to have their kids taught the _actual_ history of America - because it might make their kid "feel shame"... and shame would force those kids to question the worldview of those same parents and transform society. Can't have that, can we?!? They might actually start thinking for themselves! BTW Bryan Tyree Henry is _incredible_ as Paper Boi! Can't wait for Season 4, coming soon 😁
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
Think about Doug in the reparations episode. He was unhappy about his daughter asking questions regarding heritage as it relates to whiteness. History that's non biased towards whiteness is a tool that would create a sense of powerlessness in the minds of some white people. Therefore Doug makes excuses and uses the economic well being of his daughter to force her to ignore the history of their family and whiteness as a whole.
@otaku0698
@otaku0698 Год назад
Links to Authors and Books would be deeply appreciated.
@theburningstone
@theburningstone Год назад
They aren’t cookies. They are Madeleines. That’s some Proustian stuff right there.
@RobGradyVO
@RobGradyVO Год назад
Honestly I think they should have made the whole Season an Anthology Season. The Anthology episodes were hands down the best ones of the season and you can tell they put the most thought into them.
@curiouscommand5916
@curiouscommand5916 Год назад
Nah that would've created too much backlash. For the record I liked both the main cast episodes and the anthology episodes, however I felt like the anthology took away from the main show this season (comprising half the episodes overall) and going forward I wish they were split into two different series or something, that or at least double up on the main cast episodes. (Not that it too matters much, the show is wrapping up this fall anyway so whatever happens happens.)
@RobGradyVO
@RobGradyVO Год назад
@@curiouscommand5916 I feel ya, but I felt like in most of the episodes with the main cast, other than the ending where Al asks about his masters, none of them learned or experienced something that they didnt experience in some way the previous seasons. Im still trying to figure out what the entire point of Socks' character was considering they never even brought up the phone again or....Him again after episode 5.
@RobGradyVO
@RobGradyVO Год назад
Not to mention that Episode 10 definitely didnt feel like an actual Season Finale. It felt more like an episode 8. Plus, we didnt even get any mention of like Clark County or any of the questions from season 2. The Anthologies were their own essays and their own thought out thesis for what they wanted to prove with the season that made the other episodes of the season for the most part to me personally feel....Almost Irrelevant.
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Год назад
@@RobGradyVO there’s a lot of social commentary in this season on the relationship of the black diaspora TO other cultures and ethnicities. Whether it’s the white colleagues of Paper boi and Al that act like bridges for them to white spaces, despite their success and social autonomy or the West Indian nanny’s caretaking educating white children on black semiotics, or taking on euro-centric identities to escape the harsh reality of being a black American and the various challenges and issues that comes with, Paper Boi’s mother relationship reflects the relationship of a lot of Black Mothers and children, I mean I could go on. Sometimes, the objective or goal of the story isn’t for the CHARACTER to learn something but the AUDIENCE to learn something about the character or about the world the character lives in
@RobGradyVO
@RobGradyVO Год назад
@@Peecamarke Oh I agree, I really loved the episodes from this season and the themes were definitely well placed and Addressed. But what you said at the End for the AUDIENCE learning. Thats kinda the point Im getting at. The dialogue and the actual discussions of the show and what the messages were for me and my friends atleast were more Poignant in the anthology episodes. In Season 2 we already had an episode about Al's Mother and being mindful of the people he surrounds himself with. But then in Season 3 they just let some Random like Sock's Leech? I understand that Sock's is supposed to represent the White person using an up and coming Black Celebrity for their advantage, but I personally felt they didnt do enough with that to get the entire point across. He was in two episodes and that was it. Meanwhile, and I know people are attached to the main cast. But For example in season 1 and two some of the best episodes were ones that didnt focus entirely on the main cast, I.E. B.A.N. , Teddy Perkins, Champagne Papi, and Arguably FUBU and The Barbershop. My point is. I think the Team at Atlanta are so fucking good at writing stories and working their ways to express their narratives, but I thought that because they did so many anthology episodes this season and each episode needed to do more to establish the characters and Thesis, that the episodes with the main cast felt less fleshed out and sometimes lackluster in comparison. Not that The episodes with the Main cast weren't amazing in they own right, just That I personally liked the direction the anthology episodes were heading. But Im very excited to see where the entirety of season 3 does to the end product of season 4 especially cause they said they goin back to focusing on the main cast.
@mistermagoo8685
@mistermagoo8685 4 месяца назад
Do season 4
@KingDamonn
@KingDamonn 11 месяцев назад
You can be held responsible when you don’t acknowledge it and make it right
@fede22081
@fede22081 Год назад
Btw the fashion company is Italian not French
@PippaPasses
@PippaPasses Год назад
More please
@adamoosthuizen2409
@adamoosthuizen2409 Год назад
Can we talk about Van's cannibal Amelie Finale though pls
@RoundHouseDictator
@RoundHouseDictator Год назад
Are some Americans ashamed of their shame? Is metashame something to be ashamed of?
@YawaruSan
@YawaruSan Год назад
Huh, this isn't getting much traffic, is it?
@acehawk1000
@acehawk1000 11 месяцев назад
It didn't dawn on me, until just now, that her naming the bowl "The Darius" was less of a compliment and more of the same colonizing of something that had an "ethnic" feel to it.
@mightyrem
@mightyrem Год назад
@18:05 they wasn’t accused of murder
@hjalmarfreidenvall1655
@hjalmarfreidenvall1655 Год назад
Neat
@juanpendragon
@juanpendragon Год назад
Wisecrack, I would like to know your point of view seeing in another scope than USA. How is racism in other parts of the world or culture.
@Bantoshima
@Bantoshima Год назад
I'm so happy you actually researched black philosophers for this video. S1 and S2 were very good in my eyes and a lot better than S3. S3 was literally a montage of white people destroying black people and their culture. It rarely dived deep into the minds of the its very interesting characters. Paperboi and Vyn were the only two that got somewhat adequate screen time. Maybe it hits different because it is in Europe, and the US sees Europe as more progressive, when *surprise surprise* it's not.
@lunasperidot8760
@lunasperidot8760 Год назад
White people destroying black people? What? When did that happen?
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
Europe was the U.S.'s historical role model in how to take advantage of non white people so it made sense that Europe has its own racial tensions and that it created challenges for Paperboi, Earn, Van and Darius.
@MoMo-ul6uk
@MoMo-ul6uk Год назад
Yo Michael, do a react on 'What is a Woman' by Daily Wire.
@daddyvatilifa838
@daddyvatilifa838 Год назад
9:28 I found this scene a bit ironic because as a black man, I've found myself in this situation multiple times due to my skin color, getting screwed just becauseof your heritage. But it still didn't dawn on him that is exactly how that lady been feeling most her life.
@Corey.Coolidge
@Corey.Coolidge Год назад
I agree that racism will never be solved by capitalism. To try and do so is folly and entire new systems separate from capitalism need to be created to stop minority exploitation. I do not believe that the woman that made a Nigerian restaurant did anything wrong. People don't own culture and culture by it's very nature should be shared an iterated on. If you're mad that someone made money off your culture that doesn't share your heritage, then what you're made it is capitalism. We all have to lived in the messed up system and do our best to make it here. The restaurant owner is not hurting anyone by selling her food, so I say it's fair game. Is it in poor taste, maybe. Should actual Nigerians be making that food? Well banks don't give them those loans, so, again, there needs to be separate systems apart from capitalism that should help.
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Год назад
Soooo racism and capitalism can’t be tied…? Isn’t that a form of systemic racial oppression…?
@Corey.Coolidge
@Corey.Coolidge Год назад
@@Peecamarke I think you made a leap there. Of course capitalism and racism can be tied. That's what colonialism and slavery are at their very core. But simply selling something from another person's culture isn't racism, just as much as Eminem isn't doing a racism when he performs hip-hop, an American chef isn't doing a racism when they create sushi, even though we took Japanese property during WW2.
@Peecamarke
@Peecamarke Год назад
@@Corey.Coolidge maybe it’s more in line with a systemic cultural appropriation but the thing with systemic RACIAL oppression is also that it’s so ingrained into our socio-economic systems that the very foundations/makeup of common business strategies and education is geared towards white people and as a result not giving that particular race (partic in this case the black/African diaspora) the same “footing” because they aren’t born or raised in or have a heritage within white spaces OR possess a white identity. I.e communication and language, schooling, semiotics, etc
@Corey.Coolidge
@Corey.Coolidge Год назад
@@Peecamarke I totally agree with your take that much of racism is baked into the systems we have and that many countries including the US need not only change those systems but make up for the inequality past system produced that lead to the situation we are in now. My point is that capitalism can’t solve these issues. That there need to be systems apart from capitalism that we value as much if not more. As for cultural appropriation, I think this has been used too broadly. A single chef making a small business isn’t doing that, no more than a white hip-hop artist is doing it no more than a fashion designer is doing it.
@kingjoeblack5
@kingjoeblack5 Год назад
Of course you don’t believe the British stealing from Nigerian culture while actively oppressing Nigerians is wrong…. YOU’RE WHITE
@MozzieMutant
@MozzieMutant Год назад
Payback Also had a fannon in it
@Headshots4Hope
@Headshots4Hope Год назад
The Big Payback was an interesting episode. I think there is a need for reparations in US society to offset the continuing harms of slavery, but I think the means of doing so shown in that episode (i.e., individual litigation against specific people) is not the way to do it. While those white people may certainly benefit from slavery's history, the fact remains that those people didnt enslave anyone. To extend liability beyond one individual down the centuries to another whose only connection is mere accident of birth creates the dangerous precedent of inherited liability. Further, the burden of reparations gets laser-focused on those sued individuals. I cant help but think that a better way to go about it would be to spread the burden out among society; reallocate funding in the federal budget to fund stronger reparations programs. If we're talking about a society that has already made slavery reparations a cause of action for litigation (i.e., Atlanta's USA), then that same society would presumably have the political capital necessary to create govt programs which fill the need for reparations, funded by tax dollars, as opposed to the entire burden of reparations being placed on individuals who, even though they benefit from slavery, did not commit it. Additionally, the same logic which is used in the show to justify the litigation against individuals is equally applicable to state and federal govts. After Abe Lincoln's assassination, his replacement, President Johnson, a Southernor, sabotaged Reconstruction and allowed the former Confederate state govts to implement the Black Codes, which were state sponsored oppression against the former slaves. The modern federal and state govts, with their deeper pockets and ability for more sweeping change, are much better positioned to commit to Reparations than random divorced white dudes, and just as liable under Atlanta's presented theory.
@RenaldyCalixte
@RenaldyCalixte Год назад
The reparations episode was satire. It wasn't intended to be taken seriously. It was supposed to mock white people's reactions and explanations for slavery and systemic racism. I just find it disappointing so many people took the reparations in the Atlanta universe at face value but then treated the Black Justin Beiber as satire. Smh.
@ComeWatchTV
@ComeWatchTV Год назад
Loved this video! I did my own video essay on "New Jazz"-- I would love for you to check it out!
@repmidwest
@repmidwest Год назад
😂 I actually skipped that episode with the shoplifting because I just assumed the file was corrupt. Like why was it playing an episode of freakonomics over the video. I just assumed the “free streaming site” was glitching and pulling audio from my podcast app. 😂
@Frank-wr2nf
@Frank-wr2nf Год назад
Why is the time recorded increasing so slowly when Paper Boy is filming his pitch? 20:53
@caziis13
@caziis13 Год назад
Atlanta gave me a perspective that in USA is hard to be patriot when all the culture comes from somewhere else, it happens here in Brasil too, as we grow as a country financially it seems to take 100 steps back when it comes to the society and it's values, the more capitalism instals here the more chaos seems to bring...
@ClockworkBirdiee
@ClockworkBirdiee Год назад
As for the 4th episode, it was surprising for me that you skipped the main character's explanation to his daughter about their Serbian ancestors, who obviously had never been slave owners. If I moved to the USA from Ukraine - how would I behave and how would I feel in such a situation? Should I feel guilty for my skin or the history of other European nations? Nevertheless, I think that this guilt is a part of American culture. And if I wanted to integrate into the culture, I would need to adopt this feeling like an "original sin".
@ClockworkBirdiee
@ClockworkBirdiee Год назад
But it's strange to adopt original sin when you are an adult, while all white Americans were born with it.
@alanmcivor2005
@alanmcivor2005 Год назад
Sart. come on buddy
@Davidrcobb
@Davidrcobb Год назад
Cool, now do Thomas Sowell.
@hoe6736
@hoe6736 Год назад
He should disconnect, he didn’t do it
@igorpaulo7499
@igorpaulo7499 Год назад
those people are just trying too hard not to say that capitalism is the problem. it's incredible how this idea is a lot of times in the subtext of many big movies or big shows, but we cant really say it. and it's never enough
@BlastinRope
@BlastinRope Год назад
What distinguishes a philosopher and a non-philosopher?
@sinnsage
@sinnsage Год назад
lol i so badly wanted to hear what paper boi was gonna say about porn! but yeah it’s racist too (racism is literally everywhere in society), and when we have tried to discuss change it seems hopeful then it all washes out so that nothing changes
@lucasbetancourt6474
@lucasbetancourt6474 Год назад
are you guys gunna do a philosopher reacts to The Boys season 3? i'm dying to see your analysis
@Bob-jn8jt
@Bob-jn8jt Год назад
I love this episode. I really appreciate that you take the time to explain and breakdown the episodes and its philosophies. I do find it a bit Ironic that it is being told by a white dude. But no criticism just love. Thanks again for this beautiful episode.
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