POWDER IS SO FUNNY. I used it against the Gen6 Elite Four Fire Lady and I would just use Powder every round since she used Fire attacks on my highly flammable Vivillon every single round, haha. Shit was so goofy
Fun fact! Powder is sometimes used in Pure Hackmons with Bug/Steel types with Wonder Guard! It renders literally every way to hit it obsolete when Fire Type Moves don’t work on it, great times
I mentioned this elsewhere but the Pledge moves would become viable if they worked like Tera Blasts and used the higher of SPATK or ATK. Right now only the SPATK starters can make great use of it. The effects individually are actually pretty strong.
Ik about powder because someone made a team for gen6 pure hackmons that had a scizor with powder. “The vantablack hourglass” was the name of the team I think
The “playground rumor” that we had for Gen 5 was that there was some sort of super effect that activated when you used all 3 Pledge moves at once in a Triple battle
@@portwise23 (resending my message because it's not loading that it sent on my end, so if there's two replies that say basically the same thing, that's why) The weird thing is, at least based on what I heard, the Pledge moves were intended as a nod to Pokemon Trainer's Final Smash in Brawl (which is why they only could be learned by starters). So you would *think* they'd want to do a direct Triple Finish thing.
@@Rot8erConeX It would've been cool if there was a triple finish type of effect, where it would simply become a typeless 200 base power multi-target move, however that might've been a bit much for game balance, and as-is, in gens 5 and 6, the slowest pledge move is separate from the other two
My favorite move is Soak. It sets up so many fuck you strategies including turning synchronoise into a stupidly good move. It also makes EVERYTHING weak to freeze dry that wasnt already weak to it.
I'm a big fan of copycat , like being able to make a mon use any move is pretty cool, to bad it doesn't have any real use (except copycat shell smash flamigo hyperoffense). Powder sounds so cool, why have i never heard of it before wth.
Im surprised Z-copy cat was so less whelming compared to Z-mirror move. I miss Z-Moves, ngl. But if Megas are coming back, hopefully we'll get a rebalanced new Z move era one day.
about the mind reader thing in gen 4, moves affected by it going through protect wasn't exclusive to it, it happened to any move that normally has regular accuracy checks, that become boosted to bypass said checks, such as thunder in rain, blizzard in hail, or, in general, no guard, the only exception being OHKO moves, since their accuracy checks work very differently. this was only in diamond and pearl and was fixed in platinum, but picture this: machamp's dynamic punch having a 50% chance to hit through protect. LOL
One thing to note with the pledges is that the second one would go immediately after the first one, so you can get a quicker attack off. I remember this being comparatively relevant on a gen 8 sun team with Chlorophyll Venusaur and Solar Power Charizard.
Weird moves are fun to learn about, but often not fun to use. Like sure, Lock On sounds great, but you could have just attacked twice with a 100% accurate move and gotten better results, especially since your lock on is nullified if they switch out. It is funny to use it with OHKO moves against AI though. If Powder did considerably more damage or had another effect (like burning or paralyzing the opponent), I could see it getting used a lot. But 25% damage is not quite enough. I'd love to see a 2nd video!
Yeahhh, it's one of those things where maybe if abilities didn't exist it'd be useful... but flash fire and redirection exists, so nah. Though it's certainly a much funnier strategy
OK, am I the only person who knows about Powder? Every RU-vidr brings it up as one of the most forgotten moves, but I don’t forget about it. Idk maybe I’m just biased cuz Vivillon is my fav bug.
Hey EWGF, you should totally do a presentation about Kommo-o. It can technically run Throat Spray Clangorous Soul for super powerful Boombursts, Sub Salac Belly Drum for a super strong setup, Dragon Dance to be a threat that doesn’t nerf its own health, and Iron Defense Body press to, albeit, a lesser extent
I hope you put Gravity in the next/another video. No one has heard of it, but its effects are so unique and varied you can build a whole team around it.
Using powder reminds me of a meme I saw somewere about a guy riding his bike with a gas tank straped on his back an a sign that read "we can both lose". F@cking gold man
I used Powder in a Pokémon Fan game myself. Pokémon Taiseiyo or something long time ago. I remember being on the backfoot in a fight and only having my Bug /Flying type of the region left. However due to some glitch and the most flippin' anime type stuff the when I used Powder predicting a Fire type move from my opponent's Fire type starter it blew up in his face shown a glitch message I could only press ok, blew up in his face again, and again, and again in 1 turn making it a straight OHKO from 1 Powder. Note this Bug /Flying mon also had an Ability that made it immune to Rock type moves, so if you ran the literaly broken Powder move, it would technically have 2 immunities as the risk of using a Fire type move is just too high.
I had some success with Powder in STABmons. Defensive Scizor in that format before dexit was one of my favorite sets. Defend order, heal order, powder, and either bug bite or bullet punch
i tried to make a mono bug team and i was so sad when i saw that powder was removed cuz it genuinely would've been a huge help especially to enable scizor
I had a singles battle with a friend once where i used powder with vivillon and he had a choice band talonflame, for some reason i still don't know to this day why he made his talonflame use flare blitz instead of a flying move with priority to beat up my vivillon, these were our last pokemon too so he completely fucked up and i kept powdering the talonflame until winning
I'd love to see something Powder-like that targets other types. Maybe some sort of wire exposing move that causes the opponent to blow up if they use an Electric move?
I feel like Gastro acid and purify fit the criteria for this list as well. I don’t know if Gastro acid is still in the game, as it got completely outclassed by weezing
Coalossal has a signitre move called tar shot witch is pretty weird. Lowers speed and doubles damage from fire moves. I don't think I've ever seen anybody except me use it tho.
You'd have to specify more what makes a move an "objectively better version". Like, are you comparing Thunder Shock with Thunderbolt or Slam with Body Slam?
@@GeorgeDCowley Yeah see this is what I meant. Are you just comparing similar moves based on their power, or are you considering accuracy or secondary effects too? If it's the first you're going to waste time with obvious examples like Ember being worse than Flamethrower or Jump Kick and High Jump Kick. If it's the second you can show more curious stuff, like Lunge hitting as hard as X-Scissor but with an attack drop
I love Powder. If it had wider distribution and maybe also had an effect where opponent getting hit by your teammate's fire move on the same turn would also set the powder off, it'd see use.
Imagine a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to Fire, but having an ability that spreads powder onto the opponent upon being damaged, maybe a Grass/Steel type to make its primary weakness really risky to use against it
I'd love to hear you talk about how broken the Partner Eevee/Pikachu moves are from LGPE. Moves like Zippy Zap, Glitzy Glow, Baddy Bad, and Sappy Seed would be competely broken if they were in a mainline game
Honestly they should bring powder back. Incredibly well designed and balanced, imagine how helpful it would have been during chi yu era SV OU on a Pokémon like lokix
Can I just say this attitude towards Powder is my favourite way to think about pokémon moves in general. I love moves that are unique and interesting, and if they're so impractical as to be totally competitively unviable, that doesn't ruin it for me. If anything it just makes it more fun to try to use it, despite it being literally a terrible idea. It's the only charm of some moves like metronome, which is never (never?) a good move to use competitively but is a really fun concept and can be really satisfying when dumb stuff happens when you use it. I love using it in playthroughs just for fun. I'm always in favour of pokémon making new funky moves like this, I don't care if they work or not it's just fun :)
powder is a funny inclusion that i only know about because I've been nuzlocking pokemon run and bun an emerald hack with gen 8 mechanics where vivillon has powder and its unironically one of the best things about the mon
I remember seeing Powder for the first time on the freaking Pixelmon Minecraft Mod. It could actually be so nice if it had wider distribution. Imagine if Shedinja could negate one of its weaknesses like that
If you do a follow up, I always thought tar shot was neat, or even perish song. Even though myself and a friend thought we knew how it worked, we kept failing to make a good set up for it haha Other move suggestions would be wake up slap and Smelling salts or even sparkling aria... moves that cure the possible enemy's status... why would we want to do that?
Wake-up Slap and Smelling Salts benefit from more power at the expense of removing the status, and Sparkling Aria can remove burns from Guts users. I guess they can also be an alternate healing in doubles if you use them on a statused ally that'd receive little damage from those attacks
Okay, I love Powder and therefore I have two buffs for it: 1- Increase it's damage from a set 25% to 120 Special Bug damage. 2- Make it occur whenever a Pokémon on the field uses a Fire type move, resulting a Flinch on the Powdered 'mon if it moves after the Fire type attack. If the Powdered 'mon is the one that used the Fire type move, it works as normal, cancelling the attack.
I think Pledge Moves should be added to every UB,Legendary or Mythical who are either Fire,Water, or Grass types(Ogrepon gets all three). And it should work on the what ever the highest offensive stat is.
I actually ran powder vivillion in battle tower and casual matches in X and Y. Easy to abuse NPCs with and even caught players off guard most of the time. Pretty easy to follow up with KO on most fire types after the 25% life loss
Yo if powder was on a good mon in VGC it would go kinda crazy, like it would totally null Chi Yu because it couldn't use fire type moves out of fear of getting powdered
this video reminds me of my issue with dexit: i don't actually care a whole lot about it for the Pokemon, considering the fact that a lot of them wouldn't have been used competitively anyways. it DOES suck for casual stuff, of course, but like. that conversation's over and done at this point the real thing that sucks is you can't make unorthodox strategies with moves people have to look up in Bulbapedia anymore--most of those wacky moves are just gone!
POWDER MENTION. In Pokemon Run and Bun (A super hard romhack), Vivillion gets powder and it counters so many torkoals by just spamming it, super cool move
