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A private libertarian city in Honduras 

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Próspera Inc. is creating a voluntary free market mini-state inside one of Latin America's poorest nations.
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"Próspera is the first time in human history that a group of people has said there's a way to deliver governing services, privatized for profit in a completely free market way," says Joel Bomgar, a Mississippi state representative and president of Próspera Inc., the company that's building a privately run charter city on the Honduran island of Roatán called Próspera Village.
In Honduras, about half of the population lives in extreme poverty, and gross domestic product per capita is 25 times higher than in the United States. And yet the country has abundant natural resources and is close to major shipping lanes.
The problem is governance: Nobody wants to invest in Honduras because the country has a long history of political instability, expropriating private land, and legal agreements that aren't particularly binding. Honduras is ranked 154th out of 190 countries in contract enforcement on the World Bank's Ease of Doing Business Index and 133rd overall in ease of doing business.
Narco gangs once made Honduras the murder capital of the world, and though crime has dropped in the last 12 years, life there is still extremely dangerous in comparison to the U.S., which is one reason so many Hondurans make the risky journey to immigrate. U.S. Customs and Border Protection has reported more than 73,000 encounters with Hondurans at the U.S.-Mexico border so far this year.
Recently, the country's politics have been especially turbulent: A president was ousted by the military in 2009, and another was extradited to the U.S. for drug trafficking.
The nation recently elected its first democratic socialist president, Xiomara Castro, who has called for a "refounding." She wants to rewrite the constitution to recognize that "the capitalist system doesn't work for the majority" of people. She's calling for electricity to become a "public good…and a human right" and is laying the groundwork for the outright nationalization of the entire energy sector. And she's spending billions on cash transfers.
"Every millimeter of the [Honduran] homeland that [capitalists] took over on behalf of the sacrosanct free market…was watered with the blood of the native people," said Castro, who ran on abolishing the very law that authorized Próspera and similar zones in Honduras, in a September 2022 speech to the United Nations. "My government has embarked upon a process of national rebirth and is bringing profound change."
Meanwhile, a group of foreign investors has embarked on its own "refounding" of sorts. They've started a radical experiment in private governance, which they hope will become a model for how to create prosperity in poor countries all over the world.
"The concept of free private cities and charter cities, specifically what Próspera is trying to do, is the most transformative project in the world," says Bomgar. "There's not a big financial hub in Central America. There's not a sort of Singapore of Central America right now. And so that's what we're trying to create."
Produced by Zach Weissmueller; edited by John Osterhoudt; camera by Jim Epstein; translation by María Jose Inojosa Salina.
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@ReasonTV
@ReasonTV Год назад
CORRECTION: The video inaccurately identifies Jorge Colindres as the Technical Secretary of Próspera Inc. He's the Technical Sectetary of Próspera ZEDE, which is a different legal entity.
@TheViktorofgilead
@TheViktorofgilead Год назад
Sus
@Ballosopheraptor
@Ballosopheraptor Год назад
This is such a joke. Even proving that this could work when it's funded by huge amounts of outside money coming in from tourists at the resort who are coming specifically because of the novelty WOULD PROVE NOTHING about whether it could work everywhere. Not everywhere can be a tourist destination for the super rich. Anyone claiming the outcome of this "experiment" would in any way be broadly applicable to societies at large is either utterly delusional or a dangerous deceptive ideologue. Super wealthy people living in luxury have little reason to fight over resources. This experiment could not survive if the enclave was not protected from the poverty outside by the law enforcement of the state of Honduras. They would be robbed blind the next night at gunpoint, if they were not protected by state power and law enforcement. It's just sad that people are still part of this pathetic libertarian circlejerk at this point in history.
@glennsteven
@glennsteven Год назад
WHY ARE YOU DELETING MY POSTS YOU SO CALLED JOURNALIST? AFRAID OF ME EXPOSING YOUR LIES?
@randymiller3918
@randymiller3918 Год назад
@@Ballosopheraptor So you don't think those rich people could hire security if needed?
@silvermane1741
@silvermane1741 Год назад
@@randymiller3918 That's the problem, no one other than yourself can guarantee your safety, and the Honduran government won't allow the most effective means of doing so.😐
@Notsram77
@Notsram77 Год назад
Government Officials: This threatens the very concept of The State! Libertarians: Your terms are acceptable.
@axeman2638
@axeman2638 Год назад
what do you mean, it is a state, a corporate totalitarian state as well.
@jamesmitch9792
@jamesmitch9792 Год назад
Honduras is a broken state, that needs to rebuild, not to create an oligarchy
@Americansikkunt
@Americansikkunt Год назад
Honduran citizens: this threatens my life, as The Majority are dependent on energy, food, and The Grid which is maintained by government
@joeblow1942
@joeblow1942 Год назад
Ha, I cheered when the statist said that. YES, and good!
@gwenrobinson1825
@gwenrobinson1825 Год назад
That's pretty much exactly what I said
@AlexAnder-rv1gu
@AlexAnder-rv1gu Год назад
Actually, I'm surprised to see a journalism piece that actually allowed for conversation from both sides of the issue. Thumbs up for good work.
@jasondashney
@jasondashney Год назад
Sort of. This very heavily leaned in favour of the development. Yes, it's better than most media outlets, but it was still quite biased. There were a ton of elephants in the room it ignored.
@ipeteagles
@ipeteagles Год назад
@jasondashney such as?
@aleks5405
@aleks5405 Год назад
@@jasondashney A vague statement of liability does nothing without real examples. You might as well claim that a garden gnome is alive when nobody is looking.
@TheGoreforce
@TheGoreforce Год назад
reason is generally good at looking at both sides. This is a close experiment that has heppened with many cities around the world. It's just worded a bit different to make good company expansion.
@TravisJones812
@TravisJones812 Год назад
Reason is a California-based libertarian-leaning publication - they realize that they can't beat people over the head with Atlas Shrugged because their neighbors are all Californians
@Dertrend
@Dertrend Год назад
I would always worry that at some point the Honduras government would decide to nationalize these settlements which I don't see them successfully opposing.
@matanga69
@matanga69 Год назад
They need a private army or security agency
@jamesmitch9792
@jamesmitch9792 Год назад
I hope they nationalize this money laundering scheme. bitcoin is used by criminals. they're producers the same way Epstein was a producer for the local economy in the Bahamas.
@-whackd
@-whackd Год назад
They require a constitutional amendment which requires a 2/3rd vote. Are the people allowed to own arms under criminal law there? Can prospera residents carry arms?
@wurzel9671
@wurzel9671 Год назад
@@-whackd pretty sure no
@joeblow1942
@joeblow1942 Год назад
@@-whackd. C’mon, politicians don’t care about silly things like Constitutions. Look at the US.
@SM-pv4sn
@SM-pv4sn Год назад
The one gentleman says at 25 minutes he can't imagine the US constitution being manipulated.. he's quite clearly very unfamiliar with the US government.
@JennWest-Liberty
@JennWest-Liberty Год назад
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@andrewashkettle
@andrewashkettle Год назад
It’s a comment made out of reverence for the States
@jimba6486
@jimba6486 Год назад
Ikr, like choosing to ignore a ban on his facism because he wants to suppress conservative voices freely outside the first amendment. These people must leave office.
@irenemax3574
@irenemax3574 Год назад
The context of the "US constitution being manipulated" was about the absurdity of amending the US Constitution to enable a private citizen or corporation to create a "State" within Central Park.
@tfjohnson55
@tfjohnson55 Год назад
The US had the Disney World district in FL
@jonathonparker2577
@jonathonparker2577 Год назад
Honduran government: "We're not getting our bribes!"
@dranelemakol
@dranelemakol 10 месяцев назад
Thing is, they are. Prospera does revenue sharing. They're literally just crying about the bad publicity this will bring to the rest of the country
@abcdef-ms9mb
@abcdef-ms9mb 6 месяцев назад
​@@dranelemakolmore specifically, its success is ideologically threatening to the government. Hard to get reelected as a socialist leader that shits on the free market if there's a private free market city where life is 10x better than the rest of the country
@LexlutherVII
@LexlutherVII 6 месяцев назад
Libertarianism is real democracy and freedom, the west is not even close to being a democracy and free,
@invisibleimaginaryfriend6449
@invisibleimaginaryfriend6449 4 месяца назад
They are also not getting their taxes :/
@theFez_
@theFez_ Год назад
Having been to Honduras and hearing about the corruption from locals, seeing their poverty, the lack of roads and other infrastructure the government can’t provide, I hope Prospera can succeed as long as they do it honestly and keep their word. The people of Honduras deserve better than crony-capitalism.
@lisas44
@lisas44 Год назад
I think it's crony-government
@davidlewis6728
@davidlewis6728 Год назад
crony-capitalism gives it a false association to the laissez-faire capitalism that they are practicing. cronyism is closer to socialism in terms of policy, too, so i never understood the terminology.
@pappaflammyboi5799
@pappaflammyboi5799 Год назад
It's crony-authoritarianism.
@Mr_Mcgee_
@Mr_Mcgee_ Год назад
@@davidlewis6728 well said! It’s why I personally avoid the term capitalism altogether, people hear it and think that “capital” is what makes the system unique - in fact, the term “capitalism” evolved from the works of Karl Marx. We are literally using a term designed by socialists to muddy the waters as to what is being said when one says “capitalism” by, as I said, deliberately focusing on the capital elements of “capitalism”, when they are FAR from what makes capitalism unique. I’ve met socialists who, unironically, want to “abolish money”, because they think that is a solution to capitalism, when currency has predated anything that we would consider to be “capitalistic” by literally thousands of years. Instead, I keep it simple: I advocate for private property rights + free/fair trade/exchange (free of coercion). At its core, these two concepts are sufficient to encapsulate EXACTLY what we mean when we say “capitalism”, without all the “ugliness” and “confusion” the term carries by design. Cheers!
@pcproffy
@pcproffy Год назад
Simple test, if they work a job for these benevolent capitalists in Prospera, will they be paid enough to live in Prospera? Of course not. Like all other capitalists they will exploit the poor with poverty wages to maintain their cushy utopian lifestyle.
@MarinaReznik
@MarinaReznik Год назад
I love this. The current government just doesn't want competition.
@fyrchmyrddin1937
@fyrchmyrddin1937 Год назад
It'll be like every other Western Libertarian scheme - sounds wonderful, gets some short-term $$, and at some point will be obliterated by reality and/or the greed of the Establishment. In this case, does anyone with an ounce of brains imagine that Presidente (Presidenta?) Castro wouldn't make thieving & destroying every asset put into this scheme?
@GundamChief
@GundamChief Год назад
Of course, freedom means they would fail as better people/systems/etc show why they suck :)
@bobjary9382
@bobjary9382 Год назад
Yes , they dont , unbridled competition has people bleeding out in the street
@GundamChief
@GundamChief Год назад
@@bobjary9382 Depends on who's doing the bleeding.
@notpokorp948
@notpokorp948 Год назад
Because they will lose this competition, it's just a matter of time. I foresee that if they try to protect themselves with guns, then they have a chance, a small chance, but a chance, otherwise the government will just expropriate it all, and that will be the end.
@sid2112
@sid2112 Год назад
Non aggression does not mean unable to defend, my libertarian friends.
@jackgrimaldi8685
@jackgrimaldi8685 Год назад
Exactly! 2A ftw. Surely other people, not just in America, can see this.
@chessmaster9638
@chessmaster9638 Год назад
The problem is when you are weaker then you lose. In the end NAP is stronger wins against the weaker.
@sid2112
@sid2112 Год назад
@@chessmaster9638 Now not to say that brute force isn't applicable and enough of it won't end the issue, but superior firepower does not need to mean autowin.
@bryanutility9609
@bryanutility9609 Год назад
It’s private property. They can enforce any rules they want. People free to live elsewhere right?
@sid2112
@sid2112 Год назад
@@bryanutility9609 That was my point. They can defend their private property in the face of totalitarian despots.
@werquantum
@werquantum Год назад
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey
@LexlutherVII
@LexlutherVII 6 месяцев назад
Libertarianism is real democracy and freedom, the west is not even close to being a democracy and free,
@chrismiller5198
@chrismiller5198 Год назад
If the new president gets her way she'll create another Venezuela.
@xxxBradTxxx
@xxxBradTxxx Год назад
Socialism will work this time because I’m in charge!!!!
@Nperez1986
@Nperez1986 Год назад
Did anyone ask "why" she is doing such actions? We are very quick to point...humans react and do things based on actions upon them. No one wakes up and says "I want to be the bad guy"...hopefully with AI we can get the future stable and sorted out
@messagesystem333
@messagesystem333 Год назад
Probably a disciple of the WEF.
@tl6359
@tl6359 Год назад
​@@Nperez1986Her incentives are irrelevant, what matters are the real life implications of the policies she advocates for, which will have a real life impact on real life people.
@aleks5405
@aleks5405 Год назад
@@Nperez1986 Her incentives are clear as day. She's part of the Castro dynasty wishing to subjugate whole Latin America under Castro rule. Socialism is just a tool of oppression for her.
@drunkfarmer5106
@drunkfarmer5106 Год назад
A libertarian city hardly matters when it's in a socialist country. The government could just come on in and nationalize everything and disregard the values and customs said city has built.
@DYLAN102001
@DYLAN102001 Год назад
That's why a 2nd amendment is a good idea for these people.
@bendover8477
@bendover8477 Год назад
Prospers needs to create a private militia, even if it violates Honduran law. That’s the only way to fight against the tyrannical Castro regime, or any government for that matter.
@blackwind743
@blackwind743 Год назад
@@bendover8477 Does no one understand the the corporate rule that is the inevitable result of modern libertarian thinking is a system that failed five hundred years ago called feudalism? Why would you give your power to an unelected government whose decisions you have no right to challenge and whose private army will probably be constantly fighting with other nearby private armies? Yeah, sounds like paradise if you enjoy the Black Death and constant warfare.
@I_Lemaire
@I_Lemaire Год назад
@@bendover8477 That would be horrible idea. Casualties will mount like the Paris Commune and cause extensive property damage. Will they also have an air force and navy to supply them while under siege?
@feuerfrei7070
@feuerfrei7070 Год назад
@@I_Lemaire pilots have families too
@ffn8917
@ffn8917 Год назад
Its a very risky bet. If they manage to accumulate any wealth at all in prospera the state gov will seize it without a second thought in times of extreme hardship.
@kdegraa
@kdegraa Год назад
This is a good summary of any government. If you are standing between the State and wealth it wants, either get out of way or get ready to be run over.
@honkhonk8009
@honkhonk8009 Год назад
give them guns. Hard to expropriate something when people are willing to defend their homes with their lives. This isnt the 1950s anymore. It would be really hard to wage war against your own citizens once they realize how well off everything is.
@ChickenSoupMusic
@ChickenSoupMusic Год назад
@@honkhonk8009hat is literally the only answer. If it’s hard / violent to take your shit people don’t do it as much.
@kenmeyer100
@kenmeyer100 11 месяцев назад
Not easy for Honduras. Prospera is operated by a US corporation and Honduras is a member of the World Tard Organisation. So , it would face a huge fine(dozens of billions USD) for violating its rules.
@derekcrans9899
@derekcrans9899 Год назад
What a beautiful vision. I dream to retire to such a libertarian place
@KamZero
@KamZero Год назад
Yeah, the promise of an abolition to the age of consent laws seems to always be a major draw to libertarians.
@bogeybichon7000
@bogeybichon7000 Год назад
@@KamZero the criminal laws of Honduras all still apply to the ZEDE
@RocketmanRockyMatrix
@RocketmanRockyMatrix Год назад
​@@desertPersonSomalia is a socialist nation that failed.
@baph0met
@baph0met Год назад
​@@KamZeroYou say like that's a bad thing, consent laws should be about consent, not about age. By making some sort of "universal consent age" you are disregarding the people that are getting exploited because they are over that age yet cannot mentally consent, plus there are people under that age that can consent. Humans don't all magically become able to consent at one single age, over night.
@baph0met
@baph0met Год назад
​@@desertPersonSomalia isn't really libertarian, it's a bunch of states fighting amongst eachother. If Somalia would be considered libertarian so would every warzone.
@slutmonke
@slutmonke Год назад
love the dude with the tshirt that said "gaslighting is not real you're just crazy" XD
@Andrew-pd6ey
@Andrew-pd6ey Год назад
"Can a private group really establish a government?" This is how most state constitutions in the USA were written. By the people, not top down.
@TheViktorofgilead
@TheViktorofgilead Год назад
They were written by the elites to protect the elites, not “by the people.”
@kyleprather7228
@kyleprather7228 Год назад
Yes but IF that private group then sets rules that everyone else must follow and those rules are not allowed to be altered argued against or voted on by outsiders than they have just turned into an authoritarian state
@ApriliaRacer14
@ApriliaRacer14 Год назад
And look where that has gotten us. Corporatocricy.
@RextheRebel
@RextheRebel Год назад
You are confusing "the people" with "rich land owners who can read and write"
@drugsdelaney2907
@drugsdelaney2907 Год назад
Bahahahahahaha
@ewangent
@ewangent Год назад
Zach is really great at making Documentaries and definitely asks better and challenging questions to those he has a similar viewpoint as.
@richardshipe4576
@richardshipe4576 Год назад
And he is consistent. The cringitarians in the comments section don't faze him.
@LexlutherVII
@LexlutherVII 6 месяцев назад
Libertarianism is real democracy and freedom, the west is not even close to being a democracy and free,
@dion6146
@dion6146 Год назад
Far better than the WWF's ESG corporate feudalism. Some called for developing "economically vibrant green zones" in these countries to give them examples of a better way.
@thebullet8078
@thebullet8078 Год назад
This feels like the start of a ghost recon game.
@ottofrinta7115
@ottofrinta7115 Год назад
Whatever your political orientation is, you can agree that what we need are more experiments like these to understand what works, what doesn't and why? Real world experiment are better than 100 years of ivory tower theorizing.
@darkcnotion
@darkcnotion Год назад
Castro and Latam's ivory tower won't let these experiments run.
@davidbasset7557
@davidbasset7557 Год назад
Reason makes videos about these ham-fisted libertarian projects regularly… off the top of my head i remember the new hampshire one and the floating city in the ocean pipe dream
@jasondashney
@jasondashney Год назад
Bingo. Let's experiment. I'm sick of people saying things can't work when they've never been tried in earnest before. Then, again, no amount of defeat will discourage some people. Look at communism.
@RextheRebel
@RextheRebel Год назад
This is true. These experiments are welcomed. The faster their fail the better evidence we have that free market Capitalism is a scam told by ricy people.
@pauld9561
@pauld9561 Год назад
Culture, culture, culture. Pick the RIGHT one.
@Skargar
@Skargar Год назад
>Fernando Garcia is a former economic minister Lol, of what economy?
@kdegraa
@kdegraa Год назад
An economy of terrible roads, poverty and corruption.
@RyeOnHam
@RyeOnHam Год назад
I find it outrageous that the government officials are so hostile to Próspera and in return, Próspera is so moderate and honest. Who would you trust more? I know the answer, I just hope the Hondurans will realize.
@Elreymisterio2737
@Elreymisterio2737 Год назад
I don’t!, prospera is not moderate and honest, but liars and so much more. Let’s cut the lies!. I hope that the truth comes out!
@RyeOnHam
@RyeOnHam Год назад
@@Elreymisterio2737 I will take a self-serving capitalist over an authoritarian self-serving communist any day of the week. I've lived and worked in Honduras. I would love to see the country and its people prosper. ¿E tu? You obviously have a dog in the hunt, Rey. I trust you are not from Venezuela.
@NathanSaor1798
@NathanSaor1798 Год назад
@@Elreymisterio2737what is exactly the truth? Job growth isn’t held up by Honduran bureaucracy?
@panamahub
@panamahub Год назад
no they won't. I also live in Latin America and populism is rampant everywhere combined with zero education.
@ShomoGoldburgler
@ShomoGoldburgler Год назад
​@@panamahub Most people want to be ruled, military governments were more stable and prosperous for the region.
@Deviousmendez
@Deviousmendez Год назад
This is really interesting I hope you make a follow up video in the next few years.
@theblacklakes9351
@theblacklakes9351 Год назад
Prospera Inc has my full support. I hope that they manage to get Hondurans to prosper, though some of them might not see it now, they will thank them later when they have created the Singapur of Central America!
@axeman2638
@axeman2638 Год назад
they are only interested in their own prosperity, which will all be based on other people's labor. typical rent seeking capitalist parasites.
@Elreymisterio2737
@Elreymisterio2737 Год назад
They don’t have my support at all!, is sad to see how lies keep “prospering”
@JD2jr.
@JD2jr. Год назад
@@Elreymisterio2737 You can't just say that without any elaboration and expect anyone to care what you say
@kevinkerr9310
@kevinkerr9310 Год назад
​@@JD2jr.How dare you demand evidence. What are you, a dictionary?
@JD2jr.
@JD2jr. Год назад
@@kevinkerr9310 I identify as a thesaurus, tyvm
@johnnyjohnson1326
@johnnyjohnson1326 Год назад
I truly hope they succeed!! It'd be a shining example of self-governance. This is how it should be. Edited for grammar
@psyantologist
@psyantologist Год назад
They want to create a tax haven and refuse to obey laws they do not like - they're crooks and banksters, building mansions without permits to make it look shiny. The only "legal way" to do this is in international waters (like the google oil rigs for unethical medical treatments) - you can't just buy land and do what you want, push police out with militias and call it "libertarian"
@sabin97
@sabin97 3 месяца назад
if it finds economic success(which i'm assuming is the kind of success you mean) it will become a feudalist zone. libertarianism is just feudalism in a smiley tshirt.
@JimCar71
@JimCar71 Год назад
Good luck. Surrounded by authoritarian governments promising free stuff for more control will lead to getting acquired when needed.
@francois853
@francois853 Год назад
It is the idea of destroying centralization that frightens them.
@RextheRebel
@RextheRebel Год назад
That's right. Capitalists only want centralization for themselves.
@TheGoldeyFamily
@TheGoldeyFamily Год назад
Libertarian state inside a socialist country. This will end badly.
@emanym
@emanym Год назад
It could be a spectacular end.
@DeRothschild
@DeRothschild Год назад
Prosper needs to use its wealth to build a private military to rival Honduras’ and then build a weapons manufacturing company. Make these socialists afraid to even think about attacking.
@chris0000924
@chris0000924 Год назад
The opposite happened to el Salvador. Bitcoin beach turned them into a thriving country 😊
@BoliceOccifer
@BoliceOccifer Год назад
@@chris0000924 sure...
@kaesardb
@kaesardb Год назад
@@chris0000924 and @thegoldeyfamily9119 the difference is that in El Salvador they didnt make "a state within the State" the president simply went rogue and turn the whole country a sort-a-libertarian experiment, which sort-a-worked
@albertusvanlubeeck9161
@albertusvanlubeeck9161 Год назад
Many people struggle with self-confidence, leaving them open to being tricked by manipulative people who offer false hope in return for obedience. This is why those who value freedom often overcome obstacles, while societies focused on conformity tend to fall apart.
@Mr.McMello
@Mr.McMello Год назад
I am rooting for Prospera
@miguelfcervantes
@miguelfcervantes 11 месяцев назад
Very interesting. I’ve been to Honduras multiple times, and it’s a place replete with resources and natural beauty, all taken away by the government while narcos rule the streets and the people starve to death. This initiative can only improve that place and bring some prosperity.
@TheStingrayV
@TheStingrayV Год назад
Panama is an enormous central hub for commerce all over Latin America and the Caribbean, not sure why Bogmar is saying there isn’t a business hub in Latin America
@sabin97
@sabin97 3 месяца назад
white people dont see us as human.
@jimba6486
@jimba6486 Год назад
Idk if this is a bad idea, but what I can say, is that it says a lot that the government officials from Honduras are punching down, being toxic, acting hostile, telling people their victims, when the other side’s message is doing the opposite and saying, let’s give you the power to do what you want. I think the idea of prospera is a great experiment. America is a an experiment. Who is to say that the western world is the only model for governance. People should always experiment and try to figure that answer out for themselves.
@paulfiguer6313
@paulfiguer6313 5 месяцев назад
Do your own experiment in your own land and your own people. F..K yourselves, build your dream in Nevada or Maine.
@EpsilonKnight2
@EpsilonKnight2 Год назад
Nationalizing the energy sector worked out so well for South Africa they basically don't have to worry about it anymore.
@Suitswonderland
@Suitswonderland Год назад
I would love if we could spring these up all over the world, then like try and nudge everyone into globalising over time, eventually they will listen.
@bryanutility9609
@bryanutility9609 Год назад
I don’t want to globalize. Why don’t you just move to Sudan then? Go global somewhere else on the globe.
@rambojohn272727
@rambojohn272727 Год назад
If there is one thing ive learned from my socialist friends, its this. If something is free, you're the product.
@LexlutherVII
@LexlutherVII 6 месяцев назад
Libertarianism is real democracy and freedom, the west is not even close to being a democracy and free,
@sabin97
@sabin97 3 месяца назад
so when it comes to air, i'm the product?
@tegusentertainment8021
@tegusentertainment8021 Год назад
This is obviously not being built for the locals and at most there is a potential to benefit them via serving the incoming tourists/work from home PMC'ers and boomers looking to retire there. The likelihood is that they will aggressively expand and own as much as they can get away with, this is not complicated.
@DavidLopez-rk6em
@DavidLopez-rk6em Год назад
This idea works in theory. Someone richer than everyone will buy everything as an incentive to profit. Some things have to be slightly regulated, or else you won't have a free market. The free market is the most essential part. There has to be competition or else you'll end up with the private version of authoritarianism
@tegusentertainment8021
@tegusentertainment8021 Год назад
@DavidLopez-rk6em you should take a look at what "free market" is looking like in the states these days. Corporate consolidation, collusion and corruption of the 3 branches of government, all part of the end game to have very few companies monopolizing everything. This is the US's biggest export and exposes the myth of free markets for the farce it is.
@AM-qu6vu
@AM-qu6vu 11 месяцев назад
You don’t have to be the primary beneficiary in order to benefit greatly. Before this project there was no money, no medicine, no education for the locals. What kind of life is that?
@ARockRaider
@ARockRaider Год назад
around the 20min mark "we are worried about this private group because our government might take our land on their behalf" i mean, yah it's right to fear such a thing, but that's not the private group's fault, that's the government's fault.
@LynyrdSkynyrd.4Ever
@LynyrdSkynyrd.4Ever Год назад
I hope that Prospera builds up a standing army, because they are eventually going to need it
@jimpait1097
@jimpait1097 Год назад
I was just thinking, what happens when a cartel invades and the Honduran government just sits back and lets it happen?
@invu4834
@invu4834 Год назад
You can build guns with basic machinist tools.
@davidbasset7557
@davidbasset7557 Год назад
The eventuality is always a government with monopoly of force 😂😂
@alexevans9490
@alexevans9490 Год назад
Or, maybe they can do this peacefully.
@invu4834
@invu4834 Год назад
@alexevans9490 an armed society is a polite one.
@patricksachs3655
@patricksachs3655 Год назад
They should look into goldbacks as a medium of exchange for their private cities. Over one million people in four U.S states are already using them.
@RussellNelson
@RussellNelson Год назад
8:25 Fernando Garcia was almost trembling when he said that this was anarcho-capitalism. If that's such a bad thing, and your system of government is such a good thing, why aren't your people wealthy? Or, at least, why aren't they not poor?
@isaakantunez9213
@isaakantunez9213 Год назад
Well Honduras had always have capitalist governments, why are we not wealthy then? This government has only 2 years in chair. The president (narco dictator) that ruled the government (right wing party) that approved the ZEDE law is now in a U.S. prision, charged for drug and gun trafficking, corruption during that government reached historic records. Honduras is poor thanks to the corruption of the anarcho-capitalist governments we have had, each of them supported financial and military by the US.
@darkcnotion
@darkcnotion Год назад
Exactly, we in LatAm have this problem where ppl think economic freedom means imperalistic backed coup, while people risk their lives to get out.
@joeblow1942
@joeblow1942 Год назад
@@isaakantunez9213. Wrong! Humans thrive when they are free to do so. Honduras is poor because the authoritarian rulers put up roadblocks to prosperity.
@david_4246
@david_4246 Год назад
​@@isaakantunez9213becoming socialist won't change corruption.
@RussellNelson
@RussellNelson Год назад
@@isaakantunez9213 Maybe because you don't know what capitalism is. If it's corrupt, then it's not capitalist. It's mercantilist or fascist.
@SquareTableDegenerates
@SquareTableDegenerates Год назад
Man I visited Roatan in 2006 when I did an Air Guard trip to Honduras. It's such a beautiful place.
@xexxe
@xexxe Год назад
Imagine being an adult and don't understand that socialism is the problem.
@nqwertyredman5625
@nqwertyredman5625 Год назад
@@REL602no 😂
@SeiyaSoiya-un4jj
@SeiyaSoiya-un4jj Год назад
@@REL602 Actually it’s a clear sign of understanding history.
@RandomPerson-nd2ey
@RandomPerson-nd2ey Год назад
​@@REL602 I'm convinced those who push for it are only doing so because they understand that they're such losers that they will fail in a market that's competitive and/or based on merit. Who cares about the risk and the death toll up to this point, right? As long as nobody else is more successful or comfortable than the losers?
@axeman2638
@axeman2638 Год назад
funny how all the big capitalists fully promote and push the socialist agenda isn't it?
@user-wl2xl5hm7k
@user-wl2xl5hm7k Год назад
Guys! It always depends on how you define “socialism” and “capitalism”. These terms must be agreed on before there can be _any_ discussion! For example, something like anarcho-socialism, and anarcho-communism will be agreed upon by 99% of people if they understand how it actually functions
@endame90
@endame90 Год назад
It's interesting to watch this video as a honduran that didn't know about prospera u til now 😅
@CrazyVolus
@CrazyVolus Год назад
Enjoy the fun and sunshine while it lasts! Honestly, if it can improve the Honduran's lot in life, I'm all for it. I'm happy for the Hondurans who are better off for it. I believe that the people running the place genuinely want to eliminate some human misery if they can. But it mostly looks like a playground for a bunch of millionaire kids spending their parent's money. It reminds of a 1970's-esque hippie commune, just with marginally better funding. The whole experiment looks doomed, between bad relations with the Honduran gov't and lack of buy-in abroad. I'm honestly impressed they've gotten as far as they have. The notion of grabbing up more territory and expanding the size of the zone is a mistake if you want good relations with the Honduran gov't rather than faux-moralistic posturing. I don't think its a state sovereignty thing, I think its an image/optics thing. Castro, the president, seems to advocate a left leaning, socialized structure and a nearby alternative structure could be interpreted as a threat or humiliation, especially if that structure is doing well. Look at China's treatment of Hong Kong as an example. Nothing was particularly wrong with Hong Kong, but Beijing didn't like it, so... yah. Never underestimate the role of appearances in governance. To be diplomatic, you must seriously consider the concerns of others, regardless of absurdity. Speaking of which, calling the place a mini-state is profoundly dumb if the Honduran gov't is concerned about separatism. Regardless, that Castro president has her sights set on the zone, and she doesn't seem like the easily persuaded type (though I've heard she's very charming in person, if a bit hot blooded. The daughter Castro parades around scares me though). Attracting big money investors will be hard with her openly and publicly criticizing the project. The ZEDE needs big money investors to prosper in the fashion intended. Castro (probably) figures she isn't getting the investment in Honduras from the ZEDE, so she is going to want to kill the ZEDE (or at least smear it) and make a big show out of it for domestic political support. She'll need that political support for her proposed constitutional rewrite. Congratulations of being the sacrificial lamb on the altar of political capital. I smell a military crackdown and/or 'encouraged' expropriation in the works unless they can secure her buy-in, or at least get her to deliberately ignore the project. In my experience, some less fortunate nations struggle to tell the difference between investment, aid, and colonialism, and admittingly the line can be blurry. They can make a lot of demands that are grossly impractical, and then get mad when you simply can't meet them, and create this endless cycle of rage and stagnation. Doesn't help that you got lefties in North America and Europe who will call you a colonizer if you show interest in a foreign country for any reason at all. It's a cool social experiment (very cool!), but it isn't getting the results needed, a pretentious video isn't the way to get the results needed, if you can't get the results needed the only question is how painful the end will be Also, the law exists (de facto) to protect the state from you, and not the other way around. If you think the law (or treaties, or whatever else) will protect the ZEDE indefinitely from the Honduran gov't when you are in Honduras, you're out of your damn minds. Best of luck!
@I_Lemaire
@I_Lemaire Год назад
Thank you for your insights. You are way more articulate and knowledgeable than me but communicate what I feel as well about this situation.
@tommy7613
@tommy7613 Год назад
You make a great argument. I do wish the best for Prospera, and all of the Hondurans.
@StevenSanchezWelding
@StevenSanchezWelding Год назад
Agreed
@jasondashney
@jasondashney Год назад
Very well put. There is zero chance this will work if they don't get support from the government. End of story. They really need to do a big public campaign, emphasizing that their own constitution for bids expropriation. They also need to fund local community projects. Build some schools and playgrounds etc. You damn well better be making a visible positive difference in the community because being poor does NOT cause people to become depressed and angry. Wealth inequality does. For them it's all a PR campaign. I don't see this experiment ending well, but maybe there are things to be learned from it. Part of the reason I don't see it ending well, that undermines the socialist government's entire message, and reason for existence. Socialism. Then, again, maybe it will work. Stranger things have happened.
@sinephase
@sinephase Год назад
"looks like" because that's your bias. The details don't support your conclusion.
@adamm2716
@adamm2716 Год назад
how many years you think it will take before she expropriates their land for the good of the people lol
@DeRothschild
@DeRothschild Год назад
The key is to become a successful city state and invest heavily in security and build a private military to rival the country’s military so they won’t mess with you. Have the city-state invest in its own arms manufacturing company
@anita.b
@anita.b Год назад
Funny enough you're saying to steal land from Honduras through violence Cool fascism moment kiddo You forgot the profit incentive for the victims of warcrimes from your private militia Clown ass
@grahamjones5400
@grahamjones5400 11 месяцев назад
Its basically rich people not wanting to be bothered by anyone not them.
@schumanhuman
@schumanhuman Год назад
Hong Kong and Singapore are quasi-Georgist, using land rents to fund government (Singapore gets nearly 50% from land and related). However Prospera's land tax rate of 1% seems far too low to limit speculation so I'm dubious they will prosper to the same extent, though perhaps as land vales become more established they can switch from taxing incomes and sales fully to land rents.
@snakyjake9
@snakyjake9 Год назад
Geo libertarianism is based
@partydean17
@partydean17 Год назад
​@snakyjake9 what does that mean?
@snakyjake9
@snakyjake9 Год назад
@@partydean17 Libertarianism + Georgism. Basically free market but you pay a land value tax.
@darkcnotion
@darkcnotion Год назад
How is speculation the problem? volatility? sorry for my ignorance
@snakyjake9
@snakyjake9 Год назад
@@darkcnotion Without a sufficient land value tax, a speculator can buy up the land and do absolutely nothing productive with little to no cost. Especially if you want to encourage development in a brand new city, you want the landowners to not only speculate on the future value of the land, but also actively build something valuable on it. A land value tax ensures efficient land use, and we've seen plenty of success stories in places like Taiwan and Singapore when they adopt Georgist ideas alongside free market principles. Picture a vacant plot of land in the middle of Manhattan. The land could be used to build critically needed housing, but instead the owner only cares about the future real estate value and keeps it empty, providing zero benefit to anyone else.
@jerryware1970
@jerryware1970 Год назад
Politicians are more concerned with control than improving the lives of their citizens.
@Styxswimmer
@Styxswimmer Год назад
The only way the govt can help its economy is by getting out of the way. The more proactive the govt is in the economy, the worse the results.
@BurgertubeFounder
@BurgertubeFounder Год назад
Welcome to planet Earth buddy.
@carlos_takeshi
@carlos_takeshi Год назад
My first reaction at seeing the interview subject was "Remy built a town!"
@micosstar
@micosstar 11 месяцев назад
i'm happy by the equal coverage, reasonTV!
@ismaelfreytes1106
@ismaelfreytes1106 Год назад
Honduras having crazy Chávista as president and I don't like government monopoly of power grid . I from puerto rico and the power company is owned by the government of Puerto Rico
@axeman2638
@axeman2638 Год назад
when governments owned the power grids power was cheaper and more reliable, privatisation has brought nothing but price gouging and infrastructure breakdown, which the public are expected to pay to fix every time. public risk, private profit. No thanks. libertarians are greedy spoiled little brats that never learned how to share their toys.
@jamesmitch9792
@jamesmitch9792 Год назад
It is controlled by a private company though but you didn't mention that because...
@ismaelfreytes1106
@ismaelfreytes1106 Год назад
@@jamesmitch9792 let Got straight and theyre are off-the-grid energy movement and why we have to have one company with power company. battery power for TV but not yet cookware
@lisas44
@lisas44 Год назад
Imagine decentralizing energy.
@demoscratos4577
@demoscratos4577 Год назад
I’m Honduran, and I love this. Keep going guys.
@user-dj3pr1zx2j
@user-dj3pr1zx2j 3 месяца назад
I am half Honduran by birth, and I have to say I support this idea 💡
@shrimuyopa8117
@shrimuyopa8117 Год назад
Man I wish we could do this in the United States...
@RextheRebel
@RextheRebel Год назад
It already exists. They are called country clubs. Which ironically are rather socialist on nature.
@sinephase
@sinephase Год назад
there's several examples of it being done, Disney in Florida is one, though they really pushed their luck there LOL
@viktoreisfeld9470
@viktoreisfeld9470 Год назад
This reminds me of the Free State Project in the USA... which has been moving rather slowly but still doing OK.
@LibertarianFacts
@LibertarianFacts 11 месяцев назад
We need city like that in Europe!
@Cent._
@Cent._ 11 месяцев назад
Guess why they cant do it there
@tariizm1500
@tariizm1500 2 месяца назад
there is liberland in Europe but Croatian and Serbian government will not recognize its independence
@GreyCTF
@GreyCTF 5 месяцев назад
The gentleman at minute 25:00 was mad saying "Eso es anarco capitalismo, eso es ser libertario". I found it really funny that some people think that libertarianism is a bad thing, that people just don't want to let others live their lives in peace. Never forget what the socialism made to Venezuela, Argentina and Cuba.
@9ultraviolet9morris33
@9ultraviolet9morris33 Год назад
Really interesting how Prospera acquired more land ( from 58 to 1,000 acres) during the pandemic...interesting! Prospera and its affiliates along with, partnered corporations will be held to the universal laws.
@harraldschmitt9113
@harraldschmitt9113 Год назад
This is amazing
@mattmcclellan7781
@mattmcclellan7781 Год назад
The spokespeople, especially Brimen, do a very good job of presenting the message/charter/philosophy in this video. I would hope that people outside of the ancap/libertarian world can at least see that there is sincere effort to confront the difficult questions like liability and legal resolution that exist in any society, voluntarist or otherwise. It's a pretty inspring endeavor. My only concern is that they tread lightly with bitcoin emphasis, not due to my preference for fiat (especially in Latin America) but due to my belief that there is something inherent in BTC's original parameters that make it unsuitable for mass adoption (little too much to go into here).
@leandrog2785
@leandrog2785 11 месяцев назад
I don't understand how these people keep saying "bitcoin" over and over as if other currencies weren't relevant. Considering they are libertarians, i would expect them to be far more interested in Monero.
@maaarcel15
@maaarcel15 9 месяцев назад
Wow what an interesting project! Glad to be able to follow those happenings on the internet.
@renaissanceman21c
@renaissanceman21c Год назад
22:38 I think someone named Adam Smith wrote a book about that back in the late 1700s. Anyone ever hear of “The Wealth Of Nations”?
@richkumm3996
@richkumm3996 Год назад
I am pleased to see this
@travisthompson1679
@travisthompson1679 Год назад
Most of the time when I see people complaining about outsiders "taking their land" in actuality it wasn't their land and the owner was paid a premium for it. After it gets developed and is worth more then all of sudden it's "exploitation" and "unfair". Edit: Some people seem to want to point out irrelevant things in replies to this, so for those idiots: I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT UNJUSTLY ACQUIRED LAND THROUGH THINGS LIKE IMMINENT DOMAIN AND CONQUERING.
@jasondashney
@jasondashney Год назад
If you did not want to sell it, then the amount you get for it is borderline irrelevant. If somebody forced you to sell the most sentimental object you own for "fair market value" you would still be upset and call it unfair.
@travisthompson1679
@travisthompson1679 Год назад
@@jasondashney I'm saying they weren't forced. I'm saying it was consensual, they got a great deal at the time, and only later after it has become more valuable do they have regrets. Or it's someone not even involved at all complaining. It's safe to assume that someone commenting under a libertarian channel is against the forced sale of land and understands the difference before voluntary and involuntary.
@Nperez1986
@Nperez1986 Год назад
It's like telling a moon rock "I own the land this moon...here is some metal coins for it"....That moon rock is going to tell you "what?! This is everyone's 🌙 moon"
@drugsdelaney2907
@drugsdelaney2907 Год назад
Native Americans say hello
@jasondashney
@jasondashney 11 месяцев назад
@@travisthompson1679 my point wasn’t specific to this video. I was talking more about the concept in general. In Canada the government can take your land and give you a “fair market value“ whether you like it or not because they want to put a road through there or turn it into condos or whatever. This is extremely common and there’s not thing one you can do about it. A good friend of mine‘s father was the one who took the land from people in one of the biggest cities in Canada. If you bought a piece of land five years ago on the outskirts and wanted to keep it and use it as your retirement plan because you thought in 30 years it would be worth a ton of money, too bad. You have to sell it today at fair market value and if the market is down you can get screwed even on that. And technically the government doesn’t have to give you fair market value. They just do because of the optics.
@seal869
@seal869 Год назад
I want the guitar track that plays around 14:00. Anyone know? Doesn’t appear to be in the credits
@SapioiT
@SapioiT Год назад
This is the people's answer to corruption and unnecessary red tape.
@hobog
@hobog Год назад
Yeah, a company town, where your residence is contingent on your employer, reminds me of the PRC's Hukou system
@SapioiT
@SapioiT Год назад
@@hobog Yeah, it shows how bad corruption is in that country, if people's best choice is private cities. Which is sad, really really sad.
@matthartman7062
@matthartman7062 Год назад
It’s not a free-market if the nation’s criminal law still applies. It essentially gives the government a monopoly on force. As this island starts to prosper and the mainlanders get envious, it’s only a matter of time before the government utilizes that monopoly on force in the favor of the state. So it’s not really volunteerism. It’s pretend volunteerism. This may work well at first, but it’s days are already numbered, unless of course the island could somehow gain complete independence or at the very least complete autonomy.
@gabbar51ngh
@gabbar51ngh Год назад
They need guns and make it an independent state.
@unregistereduser1088
@unregistereduser1088 Год назад
If they wanna stay poor, let them.
@jamesmitch9792
@jamesmitch9792 Год назад
because they were rich before? I can say the same thing about americans not wanting to go to college and crying about white working class being oppressed by college liberals.
@unregistereduser1088
@unregistereduser1088 Год назад
@jamesmitch9792 that's a viable point. The dynamics change in USA when everyone has a liberal arts degree and the garbage man makes 2x more per year. But then the oppressed liberals cry for student loan forgiveness and I'm debt free and already own my home.
@calripson
@calripson Год назад
At the end of the day, the people with the guns make the rules.
@thejinn99
@thejinn99 Год назад
Several of the libertarian type of experiments didn't turn out but I'm curious to see what happens in this case, especially because it seems like they're embracing regulation? And my experience with other experiments in a libertarian society is that they didn't want regulations or laws or anything like that. Everyone seemed to want to do whatever they wanted, regardless of how it affected their immediate neighbors.
@randymiller3918
@randymiller3918 Год назад
What libertarian experiments are you referring to?
@notpokorp948
@notpokorp948 Год назад
​@@randymiller3918Im also interested. Tell us please
@thejinn99
@thejinn99 Год назад
@@notpokorp948 Check out my response to @randymiller3918
@LexlutherVII
@LexlutherVII 6 месяцев назад
Libertarianism is real democracy and freedom, the west is not even close to being a democracy and free,
@AnticomPhysicalRemover10
@AnticomPhysicalRemover10 Год назад
This is exactly why I am an anarcho capitalist. The freer the market the freer the people.
@edmonddantes5104
@edmonddantes5104 Год назад
That wasn't the case when there was no regulation when the Stock Market Crashed fueling the Great Depression.
@AnticomPhysicalRemover10
@AnticomPhysicalRemover10 Год назад
@@edmonddantes5104 The Great Depression was not caused by no regulation. In fact, the more regulation there is, the less opportunities people have to make money.
@alexevans9490
@alexevans9490 Год назад
@@edmonddantes5104 First off, the stock market has little to do with the real economy. Most businesses are not publicly traded and can continue on no matter what the stock market does. Second, how about you watch what's happening right now. The Federal "Reserve" is raising rates very fast. This will crash the economy. It's a fact. Just keep watching. If you watch you will see that the banks are at fault for nearly every economic problem we've had sin 1913 when the Fed was created. Look up the story of The Meeting at Jekyll Island.
@scientifico
@scientifico Год назад
do it without government tariffs and sanctions and the threat of US military aggrresions... lets see how far you get.
@AnticomPhysicalRemover10
@AnticomPhysicalRemover10 Год назад
@@scientifico Well this libertarian program to take cities back from the government seems to be doing great at freeing people from the government and giving people jobs.
@entfernung9679
@entfernung9679 Год назад
25:05 Good summary, this is exactly what we want.
@axeman2638
@axeman2638 Год назад
it's pretty much the opposite of what i want thanks.
@doomersnek3878
@doomersnek3878 Год назад
@@axeman2638 In anarchy, you can collectivize and make some kind of "state". However, forcing people to stay is the problem of the state. Keeping people against their will isn't going to improve these smaller collectives of people, so clearly statism wouldn't work at the larger, national scale. The emphasis is about allowing people to freely choose, especially in times when the leader of the collective is running inefficiently.
@bartech101
@bartech101 Год назад
​@@axeman2638So don't go there. Simple as that. Is this your normal state of operating? Telling everyone what they should do. You also go to your neighbour and tell them what they should have for a dinner, and you don't like what they have. You are immoral 🐷 red disease.
@onebronx
@onebronx Год назад
What they need to do -- and do fast -- to survive and prosper, is to actively search and find as many Honduras libertarians as possible, let them to work in the Prospera using it as a libertarian bootcamp, educate them, train them, empower them, and then release them back to the Honduras to spread the theory and good economic practices, earn trust of other people and eventually become a new political power of the Honduras, more friendly to the free market. If they hope to use an island isolation for survival, they'll inevitably fail -- either due to stagnation, or being overcome by the force of the government. Don't be isolationist type of libertarians, please.
@michaelriddick7116
@michaelriddick7116 Год назад
"That is anarcho-capitalism. That is being libertarian. That is destroying the concept of the state." Your terms are acceptable. 😑😂🤣😂🤣
@honkhonk8009
@honkhonk8009 Год назад
He really said that like it was fucking Nazism or something. These communists are delusional. They see people having the freedom to do what they want with minimal red tape, and think its bad.
@thedualtransition6070
@thedualtransition6070 Год назад
Exactly why it needs to be destroyed, a taking of the commons by the rich put in place by a coup government of the rich that resisted even mild land reform of the land controlled by a handful of rich families as a throwback to colonialism.
@emmettturner9452
@emmettturner9452 Год назад
Dude can’t imagine this in America or Europe? Introduce him to the Reedy Creek Improvement District in Florida.
@FreelanceDev4life
@FreelanceDev4life Год назад
Or Prudhoe Bay (Deadhorse) in Alaska. These are some of these most prosperous places in the US, with amazingly happy people.
@emmettturner9452
@emmettturner9452 Год назад
@@FreelanceDev4life The dude who said it was opposing it and implying that no local governments in the USA would cede authority to experimental self-governing development projects.
@Justin_Beaver564
@Justin_Beaver564 Год назад
Too bad Desantis is a Socialist
@thinkcasting3182
@thinkcasting3182 Год назад
You mean Disney. Not lib-land my friend.
@emmettturner9452
@emmettturner9452 Год назад
@@thinkcasting3182 I’m well aware. Just saying that US authorities have already done exactly what he thinks is unconscionable/unthinkable so his argument against the Honduras experiment falls flat.
@trinsit
@trinsit Год назад
Government and economics doesn't matter. The only question is are people willing to work together. That is the ONLY defining factor. Someone gets power and squashes everyone else
@tsssssssss1
@tsssssssss1 Год назад
It’s so great to see free market examples like this!
@psyantologist
@psyantologist Год назад
Tax evasion services that aim to rob the whole of society in favor of already rich investors? that's not "free market" anything - it's crony capitalism
@baph0met
@baph0met Год назад
​@@psyantologistAnyone who evades taxes is a hero, rich or poor doesn't matter. Anyone who defends themselves against a robber is great.
@ffn8917
@ffn8917 Год назад
Guaranteed not to last long. If the honduran people get a taste of freedom and see how prosperous another social system can be, the socialist regime will be extremely undermined. They will clamp down on this soon.
@Nperez1986
@Nperez1986 Год назад
You should read the history of Honduras first....they fought AGAISNT socialism before the US was past the Mississippi River. We are brainwashed to think we are the only way to learn "Freedom"...ask any Iraqi if they feel "free" since we helped them out 😅
@ShiroHimex
@ShiroHimex Год назад
​@@Nperez1986You mean Iraqi freedom didn't bring freedom? The government lied!
@drugsdelaney2907
@drugsdelaney2907 Год назад
Socialism is when not free
@silverswordstudios7334
@silverswordstudios7334 Год назад
The fact that it describes itself as non-contiguous and favors an "opt-in, opt-out" structure is particularly interesting to me as a Panarchist/Polyarchist. I hope it succeeds so we can see more of this form of geo-political structure around the world.
@davidbasset7557
@davidbasset7557 Год назад
You can opt-out but all the money you poured in is lost… there isn’t a secondary market to sell your local assets (hell there’s not even a primary one)
@WMarkus
@WMarkus Год назад
Fantastic clip
@davidbundesen5867
@davidbundesen5867 Год назад
This looks fascinating.
@dusanmatuska-bitcoin
@dusanmatuska-bitcoin Год назад
I lived in Prospera for 10 months since July 2022. I am originally from Slovakia and came to Roatan to help with financial education in the region. I started to build and operate a Bitcoin Academy you can see in the video at 12:08 Initially I was also skeptical about Prospera and its plans although I am a libertarian. But meeting the founders of Prospera and all the people who work inside of it to make it successful changed my initial doubts and was one of the main reasons I stayed, started the academy and changed my life completely. Coming from Slovakia to Central America was a big decision to make for me and my girlfriend. I suggest everybody who cares about free cities to succeed, come to see us, spend some time, see for yourself and talk to people here. Or even come to build your business here and help the region to prosper ;)
@kyleprather7228
@kyleprather7228 Год назад
Will the Hondurans get something out of this. Or would this be the start of a white Rhodesia in the middle of the Americas? Turning over sovereignty even a semblance of sovereignty to a company seems dystopian and fraut with problems
@identifying.as.asovereignhuman
Hearing that there's a company doing gene therapy trials there because there's less regulation than in the US is troubling. The rest of the examples sound pretty good though.
@ApriliaRacer14
@ApriliaRacer14 Год назад
@@identifying.as.asovereignhuman🎯
@EVtripper
@EVtripper Год назад
And rape the local resources with no accountability too?
@thehorde4868
@thehorde4868 Год назад
I would like to come too, but only one problem is that the central govt may want to take control of the entire region and nationalize it eventually (as all power hungry politicians do)
@samurai8698
@samurai8698 Год назад
Could you make a spanish version of this video plz? I'd like to show this to honduran friends
@I_Lemaire
@I_Lemaire Год назад
AI is your friend.
@jeffgordon854
@jeffgordon854 Год назад
I had that same thought, and let’s hope they do so! I have many friends in many latin American countries, so I wonder their thoughts on something like this! I’d love to see Próspera work well and for such ideas to flourish. I just worry about the cartels & socialist Honduran Castro regime destroying what seems like such a beacon of hope in so many aspects, especially when compared to the situations of so many in Honduras and many more Latin American countries/societies. ‘Anarcho-capitalism’ and Georgist ideologies sound promising and beneficial for improving the quality of life of so many suffering under the status quo of their respective countries.
@404person9
@404person9 Год назад
I think you can use YT generated translation on the video.
@hawnsl100
@hawnsl100 Год назад
So good to see this kind of development happening.
@adhdmonster1369
@adhdmonster1369 Год назад
I think the individuals running Próspera should certainly make a point to familiarize the Hondurans with its existence and mission. It would be Earth shattering if it successfully lifted a great portion of the Hondurans out of poverty.
@mikerouch416
@mikerouch416 Год назад
Its called a company town. Which may be better then abject poverty but theres a reason this has been made illegal in developed countries that have had company towns before.
@Chrisknot94
@Chrisknot94 Год назад
Getting strong AOC vibes from that honduran President...
@katrinkessler77
@katrinkessler77 2 месяца назад
Gibt es eine life-cam, so dass man tatsächlich täglich einmal die Fortschritte sehen kann?
@mpleandre
@mpleandre 9 месяцев назад
4:56 That is not true though. Honduras has generally seen a higher vertical building density in its main cities. One of the leading companies working on that is Celaque, and its owner is known for being an honest man, and quite an enemy of the current political party in power. They are building a skyscraper in Tegucigalpa, and no traces of corruption have been noticed thus far. So, although the documentary has very spot-on data, this particular statement is false information, or a false accusation, rather. At least to my knowledge as a honduran.
@savingferris8279
@savingferris8279 Год назад
Wow, great story.
@nobodynever7884
@nobodynever7884 Год назад
There is not a Singapore of central America? That is literally the nickname of Panama.
@Basta11
@Basta11 11 месяцев назад
I had a dream about this idea. We need to adopt this model in the US because our issue is that local governments restrict development to an insane degree. Dense mix use neighborhoods are associated with poverty, homelessness, and crime. However, if we can privatize a dense walkable mix use neighborhood, then that "corporation" can kick out unwanted (the homeless and drug addicts). At the same time, the corporation can provide a floor in the standard of living for its all workers.
@andarooriordan5660
@andarooriordan5660 Год назад
very interesting & curious. great report and questions
@I_Lemaire
@I_Lemaire Год назад
I want to be a part of Prospera but is important to provide some meaningful services to Hondurans and Roatanians that do not frame them as second-class citizens in the Prospera Roatan city-state. Otherwise, as others have commented, if you play hardball with the Honduran government they can send their military in and just take over everything. Also, Propsera does not need to be a ZEDE but can also function as a smart city (like Altis in San Pedro)
@ianfosterbonizzoni
@ianfosterbonizzoni Год назад
Try it in US soil then: lots of poverty, unhoused people, why not there?
@toxictroll7843
@toxictroll7843 11 месяцев назад
Because the socialism in the us is too strong for that.
@ChaseCetta
@ChaseCetta 11 месяцев назад
We should try this with Detroit or other cities in the Rust Belt. Sort of reminds me of the Free Imperial Cities from the HRE, although I think those were political than economical relationships.
@havenbastion
@havenbastion 11 месяцев назад
The profit motive corrupts everything it touches. This will not end well.
@lchpdmq
@lchpdmq Год назад
They will also need a private army ti stay free one would think
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