Part 2 of the documentary about the making of "Star Trek:Nemesis". Contains interviews with Brent Spiner, Patrick Stewart, Michael Dorn, LeVar Burton etc.
Shinzon and B-4 should have been combined into the same character. And it should have been Lore. He was a pre-established brother of Data, he already had motivation for revenge, and Data could still have sacrificed himself to save the crew, leaving Lore, perhaps incapacitated from the final battle, to act as a potential receptacle for Data's backed up memories and knowledge.
Im going to say it. Nemesis is actually pretty good. I know people like to say how awful it is, but I really dont think so. Ive had ten years to think about it, rewatch it, understand it. rewatch all the TNG episodes and other movies... and other series and the TOS movies... Its just n ot a bad movie at all. I think some of the hate comes from Data's death and it being the last movie. They were in a no-win situation, really. A kobayashi Maru. The did beat it though.
Stephen Pike It was a good movie made on a rather tight budget compared to films like Star Wars or even James Bond! Two franchises this film had to fight with directly in 2002! I am 100% confident this film would have performed better if it had been released in the Spring of 2003. (April or May).
i think this movie was meant to be about the star trek family breaking up and moving on, the change of it all. yet something went wrong when it came to filming and editing. it had the potential to be a great moving film.
The toast Picard gives, "To absent friends." is the same toast Kirk gave in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, when Spock is the missing friend in the same context that Data is a missing friend.
@dannyboylee Heck, and since it is Nemesis, it would fit Lore perfectly. Have the Romulans trying to work on Lore after finding him, he and some of his former Borg minions steal the Romulans' newest ship, instant crisis and instant backstory....
I kind of like Nemesis. For me, it's fun to watch. It has enough emotional stuff to keep me invested. I never fail to get misty eyed at the scene where B4 sings that song.
well nemesis certainly isnt nearly as bad as jj abrams crap but it just doesnt have the feel of a star trek movie. its a logical extension of the direction rick berman had been taking star trek for some time farther and farther from roddenberrys more character driven stories to more of an action adventure genera. this was never going to work with many trekkies and many "mainstream" movie goers still found it too geeky. it was an interesting concept but was let down by its overemphasis on action and shlocky plot devices. the whole rhemen thing doesnt work and wouldve been much more believable as a whole new race or just use the romulans. killing of data after killing of spock earlier just seems trite though i think it was more plausible and less contrived than spocks ending.
credit where credit is due, Tom Hardy was magnificent in this movie. He became Patrick Stewart, or more specifically Patrick Stewart's Jean Luc Picard... but twisted.
@talaxian1 you know what? you're right. i'm one of those that blamed the director as well. i think it's just the sheer anger and disappointment with the way it ended. it is the writer's fault, but i just wanna blame everyone involved. i just hated that ending SO much....
Star Trek Nemesis is the final nail in the proverbial space coffin. No, wait, it IS a space coffin! And I'm not just speaking metaphorically, because everything in this movie reminds me of death. But who am I kidding, what doesn't these days? At what point did the Star Trek franchise (Generations) go horribly wrong? Now I'm not saying anybody in particular (Rick Berman) is to blame, but what happened?
patrick stewart should have pplayed both shinzon and picard, it would have made for much better diatribe and much better dialogue, plus it would have been more believable as I don't think shinzon could ever grow up to look like picard
I love how critical everyone's being about Nemesis... as if they could've done any better. Why do people get so pernickety about it? I enjoyed the last film! No, it wasn't PERFECT, but what the hell is?
... despite the critics and everyone elses opinion ... i DID enjoy the movie it wasn´t too bad ... well it wasn´t too good either but it was good ... at least for me ... and i´m actualy fine with how the story turned out ... and imo it also had another massage ... that NOTHING can be forever ...
Sorry Patrick but the most important lesson of this movie is that you must keep Rick Berman WELL AWAY from your massive cash-cow franchise if you want to avoid it being beaten at the box office by a JLo rom-com and spending the next 7 years in limbo..
