A true successor to Total Annihilation? I'm not so sure... 

I guess this game is now the spiritual successor to the spiritual successor to the spiritual successor of Total Annihilation.

Beyond All Reason is the spiritual successor to TA and it already exists (and it's free).

Nah. SupCom is the closest thing to an actual TA successor. Not to mention it actually tried to take it all to the next level with everything.

I remember watching the trailer of human resources a couple of years after it came out and the main channel had commented something (now deleted) along the lines of "When we pitched this game everyone hated it, but now everyone cries because we didn't develop it". The sheer anger and frustration, back then I thought that the players had been straight up evil, but now I learnt that they made another kickstarter and kept doing it fishy stuff. Gonna watch this from the distance

There have been so many "Spiritual Successors" to so many RTS Genre over the years and all of them have been completely forgotten. At this point I just don't care anymore. Whenever someone comes along with yet another "COMMAND AND CONQUER SUCCESSOR" I just know how it ends, before it begins.

There are other issues too: after Planetary Annihilations and Titans failed, Uber claimed to have 'given the game to a group of community members and kickstarter backers', under a company called "Planetary Annihilation inc". However, it recently emerged that this was a lie - Planetary Annihilation Inc was simply a spin-off from Uber, owned by the same two people as Uber, used to silo the Planetary Annihilation IP from Uber/Star Theory subsequently going bankrupt. They re-emerged, fired the volunteer developer of PA and took back over just in time to announce this new game.

Industrial annihilation has so many red flags I thought I was watching a soviet parade.

Do not forget that because of jumping onto PA Kickstarter Uber threw under the bus a really fun third person shooter called Monday Night Combat and it's F2P version Super Monday Night Combat.

The weird globe map killed Planetary Annihilation and Titans for me. A lot of the time I felt like I was mass producing robots to be stand in for a map edges and missing terrain.

The concept is great. An RTS with factory mechanics sounds really cool. Only problem I think it will be really hard to balance both types of game leading to either a really dumbed down factory game or a rush focused RTS.

And yet here I am, knowing full well that Sanctuary: Shattered Sun, an RTS in development that ACTUALLY has supcom devs, supcom modders, and players behind it, is entirely going to fly under the omni-radar as a potential supcom/total annihilation successor in this video before I'm even halfway finished.

Honestly i think there is a very big chance of Industrial Annihilation commiting the same mistakes as PA, those being forgoing much of the complexity of previous games and betting in a poorly thought out gimmick. I mean, the elements IA wants to mix (RTS and factory management) seem simply incompatible when you think about it. TA and all its successors have only two resources, Energy and Metal, which flow in and out constantly over time. Factory games on the other hand are all about having lots of resources that then have to be processed, shipped to different places to become products and THEN used. The fun from these games comes from tackling the logistical issues and nothing else, while RTS games are all about the action, with little thought give to how the resourcing itself works. Combining the two seems like a great way of getting the worse aspects of each game, as either the factory side will be too undercooked to be satisfying or too complex to manage in the heay of battle. Even witnout the massive red flags surrounding the devs and their company, i seriously doubt this game will actually manage to be anything but a gigantic mess. I do hope im proven wrong, but im definitely not holding my breath

It sounds like it was adapted from an NFT pitch. Splashing big numbers and unique skins around with vague promises of getting higher percents of stuff while promising minimal actual things.

Beyond All Reason is such a great spiritual successor to TA I’m having so much fun playing it. I wonder how Industrial Annihilation will turn out.

To be honest Planetary Annihilation Titans had some genuine fresh ideas like 3d planets which are used as an active gameplay mechanic. Players could also use one planet to smash into another destroying a massive no of enemy units in an instant. Also Kickstart is actually a marketing tool for companies to gauge interest in their product and if the kickstarter goal is met certain funding private entities then make the actual investment in the game for its development. No RTS game gets made in 2 million dollars. Also the comparison made to No Man's Sky is incorrect, No Man's Sky had insane sales numbers thanks to the hype which allowed them to continue development.

You missed one nugget of into and its that they're basically going to try and insert factory building into PA. Factory building overlapping into an RTS doesn't seem like a winning formula for the multiplayer side of the game. DSP and factorio are both good examples of factories with fighting but the focus is never truly shared between the two since its mostly wave defending and a battle of attrition while you also try to expand and maintain resources. Dyson sphere program's combat update is definitely more factory but more engaging that PA but I just can't see how that would work as a head to head match Backed PA directly and the titans fiasco put uber on my shit list. Might get this if it comes out after it hits a sale but certainly not buying in early. Very risky claiming the 3billion gamers to be tapped when investors who don't know gaming will have seen palworld never got close to that and the RTS is a smaller niche.

Beyond All Reason seems a more mature successor to Total Annihilation, and it already exists.

Dark Reign had some basic automations for units to think for themselves. We really need more of this in an RTS.

They'll have to do a free demo/beta before release for me to even consider a preorder. Also, if you want a game with factory/RTS combined, DORF is looking to be one like that.

While the idea of a RTS mixed with factorio is a cool concept I will never forget the betrayal that was PA titans. The guys csn piss off.

I can remember to have finally received my planetary annihilation kickstarter goodies after 2 years of waiting

Description wise: From what it has to offer, I believe it's just going to be a more "unique" reskin of Mindustry in the style of Planetary Annihilation: TITANS that includes an NPC or just another playable faction (that are these junkyard dogs together with that big ol' junkyard flamethrowing scorpion giant). I'm not so sure either, but I genuinely am optimistic about it even through its initial release.

Good stuff Zade, rare to see someone diving into the business side of 'the game' :) I agree, this is one to let sit for a couple of years after release, and then assess its worth.

Great Video, as an indie studio/developer of RTS we count on channels like yours to give us solid feedback on these new games as we develop our new RTS. Its unfortunate that these new RTS games make claims when what everyone wants is a fun, playable RTS with all the key RTS gameplay pieces. I know we have purposely steered away from making claims and focused on making a fun RTS experience. We recommend not supporting any developer until you get to know them and see actual gameplay. Have fun everyone and good luck in your battles! 👍

We all know that TA 2.0 is BAR. Supcom 3 will be Sanctuary shattered sun. And ZERO-K the best of them all ! :D (But the ugliest.) That aside, I do want a new TA medieval fantasy style. TAK was cool but had its issues. I have some neat ideas for it. You would fight on the battlefield with portals to call in troops and kill the enemy wizard. (Commander). And you d get a second screen to build and grow your city, outside of the actual battlefield. All in real time. You have a base building free from harm. And a battlefield only to pick ressources, build defences and spawn in troops.

Mindustry is like this, + its free and light but more focused on factories than rts

Fuck, I remember needing either at least 8GB or 16GB of ram back when this came out, so I couldn't play it.

I am still heart broken over human resources because it looked so interesting and no one ever done anything like it and if they have PLEASE LET ME KNOW

Human Resources was the only game mentioned in this video I actually really wanted to play. The rest are fine, and I enjoyed SC1-2 back in the day, but Human Resources really seemed like something from outside of the RTS box.

Regardless of whether or not it's a spiritual successor, the inclusion of factory mechanics like conveyer belts is something that I believe should have happened sooner in RTS. We always think about the battlefield as a series of bases that need to be taken and pushed back, but they are almost always just a cluster of buildings that are not connect by anything tangible. This is a sure fire way to make it seem as if you are truly building a base of operations to maintain your foothold on the battlefield.

From what I remember, 2k wanted kerbal for a new studio so they can get the street cred for it, so essentially tried to torpedo Star theory to force them to give credit to the new company.

I just hope it's gonna be a good blend of RTS and automation gameplay. That sort of thing has only really been done by Mindustry before, but that game is really lacking on the RTS front, as much as I love Mindustry. I'm gonna wait and see for the release of Industrial Annihilation though. You shouldn't preorder any game, really.

how did they even get the number 3.8 billion gamers worldwide

I played PA right after it entered beta (after they stopped charging $90 for the alpha access.) The game was fun, but i ended up spending almost as much time chatting with people in pregame lobbies to actually playing. Big team battles were fun, but bad peer to peer servers and limited people hosting made it rough. There would always be at least one full server, but if you found one with more than 2 or 3 slots open it could take 30 mims to an hour before everyone joined. The long waits led to people going AFK, so it created a cycle of the game not starting because someone is AFK and not readied, then someone leaves, then the AFK person returns until they too leave.

I mean I have concerns about the premise. what I love about RTS is being quick and teching up fast or rushing. What i love about satisfactory is taking my time to optimize. These things seem in conflict..

Thanks for the warning ⚠️

I really liked some of the ideas of Human Resources and really wanted to see that. I do love Dyson Sphere, but it lacks in the combat department. And I mean A LOT. You can mostly just use turrets for combat. I went into that expecting something closer to combat on close to Planetary Annihilation. I am highly intrigued about the genre mash of industrial + 'TA', but i'm unsure if these guys can do it. I have a feeling the industrial side of this will be lacking or just plain simplistic

When I saw this pop up I though that maybe there was some actual news about it.

Ah, okay I've now watched the entire vid and... I now get it.

You pretty much nailed it :P

I never had any issue navigating around PA.

I'm still hoping for Human Resources to be a thing. Who knows if this game succeeds they might finally do it because an army of Cluthulus vs Mechs is an awesome idea. *ring ring ring* Oh hold on I need no medicate *HUFFS HOPIUM*

Is it strange to have to pay for more content? As you said, development is expensive so expecting infinite content for free is super greedy on your part.

I`ve seen a lot of stories about startup game devs who made huge money and then basically wasted it on luxury cars mansions etc, not gonna be surprised if that same thing happened here.

Personally i feel like the concept is cool, A factorio experience + strategy is certainly unique. That said i do struggle to see how they would make it flow. If the game is supposed to be played with any decent speed you need sacrifices on the micromanagement front of your factory in wich case whats the diference between this and say suprime commander? All that it rly is is having a connection mecanic between your resources and your production + getting hammered on your factory line would be very painful to repair.

I'm hyped for it

Really good points.

i really want Industrial Annihilation to be good like i want it to come out on steam and not die before release it looks like exactly my kind of game. i wont be crowd supporting it but i will preorder on steam to show my support

im keen on a factory rts type game on a large scale, at best i do hope this inspires people to make games like it

I have to agree with the criticisms you mentioned. It does look cool, but it's a wait and see type of deal.

I was one of the backers for planetary annihilation, I remember how much of a fuckup it was. Nothing they could say could give me confidence in them. They gotta prove it.

How's Intercept Games doing nowadays I wonder

Some time I forgot that a lot of peoples don't know about the story of TA. Uber was in all but by name bankrupt I don't think that a lot of the team work on the next title. I found the game fine and the non asymmetry was fine for me.

i liked it up to the point of the enemy being on a different planet..

Mindustry exists, just play that if you think the idea of a resource chain management game + RTS layer is neat!

From what I understood Industrial Annihilation is not an RTS, it falls into the They are Billions/Allien Maruder strategy category me thinks. (Which sure it is a strategy, but not your tipical SC/TA one.)

Oh good grief . . . the EA business model has infected yet another corner of the game development community. Fuckin hell . . .

100% don’t trust this company and dev team. Like you pointed out, their history is really rough. I was not a big fan of their games, again like you said, the fights were boring visually and fights were always the same. I am excited for the factory aspect . It seems to lean more on Factorio side than RTS.

I bought pa for €100 back in the day and i couldnt play it for a year because it just wouldnt work on my pc it just kept crashing…😢 still one of the best rts i have ever played

TBH all the stuff shown for Industrial annihilation could just as well be put in a big update for planetary annihilation instead.

Hope all will be ok) and we will see new game)

I had the exact same thought as you when I saw they announced it looking for money. 3 Million units? Ok, I get it, probably a third of those units were just titans sales lumped in with the total number, but if you can't finance your own project after that, then the business model simply is not viable. I'd love to play this game. In a perfect world, it'd probably get made. But it does not seem like something that's feasible.

Honestly to anyone looking at this game and wanting to play it right away. Mindustry is exactly this and well worth your time and money

I think this game is similiar to Factories and Mindustry if i looke into it.

Don't buy a product before it exists. Investments are a separate category of purchase. The mingling of these two is sus to say the least.

So much expected since Supremme Commander and Forged Alliance... Man, what a game. Well, I think I've to keep trying and watching spiritual successors. I've notice that I was one of the angry community members that post on steam forum at 3:48 🤣

Personally I'm of the opinion that it's never a good idea to pre-order. If the game is good you can just buy it when it comes out and if it isn't you don't have to buy it.

Yeah I liked planetary annihilation but I have very little hope for the new one but once it releases I'll give it a shot if it gets good reviews

Thank you, exactly my thoughts here. Also nice to peek into Human Resources (the red flag that I noticed from the developers)

Didnt industrial annihilation also pick up a few of the legion modders?

I mean I think the new game looks epic. They better get this right!

Selling shares of a new company at $500 its sure optimistic

It's pretty telling that Planetary Annihilation didn't feel nearly as over the top as 20 years old Total Annihilation. Shoot a big gun in TA: the screen shakes, the target explodes in a millions pieces. Shoot a big gun in PA: nothing happens.

Wow...

I have to admit the premise is interesting, but supcom was the game I enjoyed. I never enjoyed TA like supcom. It seems more like Dyson Sphere to me where you are a mech building bases to compete with a gestalt robotic enemy. I also haven't played that game but the office meme comes to mind. They are the same picture.

The quality of PA can be reflected in the fact that even the main menu lags like fuck and has awful response time

Already paid now i pray it goes actually on

This company is literally re-releasing the same game 3rd time now ... atleast imo.

With the dev team's entire history, I've no real faith in this upcoming game tbh, especially with how we've already got games like Dysonsphere project, which this game looks to be emulating, but will likely fail in execution. It also doesn't appear to be doing anything ground-breaking or new for the genre, so I'm even less interested in buying it.

I personnally spend lot of money for PA when it was very early in his developpement. At the end the game had no more content than the pre-alpha, and they gave me 15% off for TITANS after i spend 90€ for PA...

There are so many successors to Total Annihilation that nothing new should be considered a successor. TA established the ground work from which many RTS games have been built upon. TA is what Rogue is to Rogue-likes; what Demon Souls is to Souls-likes. It has become it's own subgenre of RTS.

Even though I agree with you using my brain, my heart loved Planetary Annihilation Titans and I love Dyson Sphere Program (not as much as I love the other), so the mix of both here is hard to ignore. And I disagree with you on the part of PA Titan's quality, as I think it was and still is a really good game. If I had money spare I'd preorder, just because I think it's worth more than other games/hobbies

Two things I did not like on Planetary Annihilation were the single faction set up and how the game seems to chug on modern computers and their "fix" is for you to go into the Nvidia settings and change so much stuff itll make other games start to chug. No machine with 64 gbs of ram and a 30 series card should struggle to play this game

wait i thought the game already own by separated entity entirely.

A bit off topic but what went wrong in people's head after Supreme Commander? To this day I still play Total Annihilation and even at higher resolutions I can differentiate my units. With Supreme Commander and everything that followed I just see smalle dots...then icons when I zoom out. How come it does not disturb anyone else? I like to be in contact with my units, to see their movements, to see the engine at work....yet I am either stuck to watching 5 units up close or I'm forced to zoom out to coordinate a larger army where I completely lose touch with the game...I command dots on the screen.

Depending when you backed you paid 80-100 dollars for them to not finish the game

We need a game similar to Human Resources, I vividly remember watching the trailer when it first came out, then got mega disappointed when it got cancelled.

I was a Kickstarter backer of PA - I was disappointed in the game. The Titans expansion didn't really make me like it better... But you know what reward I DID like from that Kickstarter? The soundtrack. I really do like the soundtrack to PA.

Looking at how games have been released recently I wont buy a preorder from them however i will hapiliy pay for a made game, hoping that it will be good coz i am hyped for it

As I understand it, Planetary Annihilation TITANS utilized technology which was developed for the Human Resources project, since Human Resources was built on top of Planetary Annihilation. TITANS was essentially their ambitions for Human Resources scaled down to what they could actually achieve with the money they had. I wasn't too upset about the money situation: I was more concerned with the fact that Planetary Annihilation just wasn't very fun to play and I think that might even be because Total Annihilation just wasn't very fun to play. It seemed to limit you not by strategically relevant limitations, but just by how fast you could click the mouse. I am more interested to see Zerospace, which is a StarCraft II spiritual successor. However, I will be looking at Industrial Annihilation anyway, because Factorio is fun and RTS is fun so a Factorio RTS might be fun? Possibly? I mean it's not impossible right.

Totally agree with this vid. I founded the original PA and was so disappointed and felt betrayed at that time. Never gonna trust those ppl again.

I expect it to be like most TA successors and be a lot about crazy scaling economy and spamming uninspired samey units

I loved PAT and PA itself felt... empty, I didn't really know the drama going on behind it as I got PA originally, played it for a while and then got bored, same issue I had with TA way back when. PAT I put a good bit of time into and never spent a cent in it beyond buying it for 90% off as an original adopter of the game and felt I got my money out of PA/T. IA I am tepidly excited for as I love the scale and it looks like we'll finally have another faction to play with that isn't modded in. Which is sorely welcome. As it is, I have Tempest Rising to look forward to, HW3 I'm still nervous about, more so with the recent layoffs at blackbird. But if it comes out on may 13th it's an early birthday gift for me and hopefully its good and the story is better than HW2's rather... vague flaccid MacGuffin chase.

I can remember when I bought the total annhiliation and then for some reason they releases another game... With the full featur set later full price... again so anything these people produce is on ignore

Merging games like factorio and RTS is certainly interesting, and would make a great single player experience. For multiplayer though I recon it will be just too slow.

really does seem like a shameless reselling with barely any new features the thing i never understood about Titans was why they didn't just sell it as a dlc anyway it just confused ppl which one was the one to play

I don't see the point of automating everything when the game will be over in 60min! it needs to have some long running resource game like mindustry to work in my opinion.

I Like the look of industrial annihilation but as as been said there are too many red flags, i still remember PA, and What happened with human resources, didnt back either of them and was glad i didnt, this one will be no exception, if it releases i might pick it up but till then im staying clear and watching

I like the concept of base builder rts, ai controlling units allows for large scale solar system. Has potential but def not preordering

Nate Simpson is basically the reason why KSP2 has failed.