A Youtuber Responds To TMM, "Dumb, Harmful Opinion" Is it? 

Everyone: Nina mains can't get anymore butthurt than this TMM: hold my arcade stick

that dude completely missed the point

Did he really compare Nina strings to Bryan's taunt jet uppercut?

“Harmful for the community” Now, I’m no Tekken God or anything, but I’m pretty sure this dude is wildin’

"Everyone has hard to counter strings." The words of a player who has never even heard of Gigas.

I like how he said "I'm not trying to flame Main Man", but shows the Google Search saying "Lists of things Main Man knows nothing about" Talk about backpedaling dude.

He compared nina strings to Taunt. His point instantly dismissed.

I dunno man,deathfist into deathfist solves my lifes problems

"Everyone is the same" *Low damage Yoshimitsu with weak set of basic tools, risky pokes and highly specialised tools laughing in the distance*

the guy : Nina isn’t cheap JDCR called Nina “difficult but cheap” in his stream recently will you argue with JD tho?

MainMan: Good arguments and solid answers This guy: EVERY CHARACTER IS THE SAME

"every character is the same" I guess this means gigas is as easy as noctis huh

Man said easy to do and then he brought up taunt wall presure

"Harmful to the fighting game community" lol cringe

Dude generalizes everything and cherry picks what he argues against. Typical online loser who says nothing of substance but thinks he knows more. Uses sarcasm to cover lack of knowledge

"Just low parry" Tries to parry an almost unseeable low *gets launched*

Mainman:Breaths Butthurts:AAAAA HES STEALING OUR OXYGEN

Someone forgot tmm went to law school

just play against him with nina and prove your point Kappa.

Classic Nina enthusiast. Completely misses the point and falsifies a narrative against you.

When you realise that the Nina player has an IQ of -69

“Harmful to fgc” Continues to tell people who don’t like it not to play fighting games

"Can be harmful to the fighting game community" But then goes to say (About wall pressure) "If you don't like it, don't play fighting games"

Classic example of a person who doesnt do enough research from the person he is talking about

Nobody: That guy: evErY CHaRacTer hAS thIs

Its not about defending Ninas stuff on reaction. Its about defending against her strings on reaction online. Good luck low parrying can opener on 3 bars lol

dude straight up sounds like a leafy clone

Dude, TMM literally called my main garbage in his tierlist video and I laughed it off like everyone else. But when he even SUGGESTS that Nina can be easy to play in lower ranks, this guy loses it...

ok but why is a s2 orange rank arguing with you ?

that guy is missing the point so hard

"You can learn to low parry this on reaction very easily" this guy says while showing him doing it in practice mode, never against anyone in a real match, after already making a point against tmm about practice mode being that much easier to execute things in

This isn't a reaction video... This is... Murder.

if you start learning tekken and u face those characters like eddy and nina, it is 100% difficult (and maybe free for the opponent). there are good players for all characters but what TMM is saying is some characters got MUCH easier tools and setups. in the case of nina, most people just wont have that knowledge OR reaction time to deal with a lot of her stuff. this guy is talkin about practice then bring up bryan taunt wall game? literally most pros arent even trying taunt set ups besides jimmy j and knee.

Thats exactly the Response i was expecting from Nina players. Trash.

great video as always :) i love how calm and critical TMM is when presented an argument. This video proves he really does know what he's talking about. You have my respect!

Apparently, People can't take sarcasm. When TMM said that Eliza is easy I didn't even care. In my opinion, a character is hard when you start playing with it, but If you practice with that character it become easier.... Except Katarina: the embodiment of easiest character to use.

What he said wrong : everything. Thats a strong argument. Soon there will be a video explaining that noctis and katarina are hard characters. I got an idea. Lets make a game. Mainman with nina and that other dude with kazuya. Everyone is the same anyway lol

As a King and Lee main, I completely agree with MainMan. I mean, come on. Nina from all the way in T4 could create situations with built in 50/50 mixups built into her strings. Beginn/Intermed ranks would have a hell of a time playing Nina because her damage output nets almost the same reward regardless of your level of execution. Trying to constantly go into b2,f *mist step cancel* combos to even get more than 60dmg with Lee requires A LOT. #teamMainMan.

This Nina player needs to try Gigas cuz Gigas has no cheese at all

Guy: "It's extremely easy to low parr-" Me: "Wat"

Had to mute every time that guy spoke. He sounds so ignorant and probably made that video to hopefully get some clout from it.

Nina main gets butthurt and makes a very valid case: "EvEry ChaRAcTer HaS ThiS" "TaUnt JeT uPpEr aND niNA sTrinGS aRE tHe sAmE".

"Like-minded Subpeople". "Like-minded subscrubbers". "Hive-minded Nina players" who all agree that she is the most difficult char in the game. Always is. Always was. Always will be. These Nina players are just a fountain of fun content.

"I mean basically nobody uses it after red ranks" yes and the 70% of the community below those ranks just don't matter it's also really goddamn hard to abuse strings with yoshi

so by this guy's logic continuous wave dash into low or mid is as easy as pressing uf+ and bunch of buttons. Good to know. And i think he took offense to main man 's getting hard joke.

The guy's really trying to sound wise. Sad for him that it's not fooling anybody.. TMM-kun you should have a match with him as Nina.

the point the dude who made the video

How don't the Nina mains understand that it's just about Nina being rather easy on lower levels of skill?

Honestly, I think I understand where this guy is coming from. He's absolutely clapped, and a massive insecure twat who's just bashing TMM on a personal level, don't get me wrong. But he's just so consumed by his personal experience and knowledge over Nina's gaps that he cannot seem to put himself in another's shoes, and see the strengths. When you're playing a character, you see the weak side, when you play against a character you see the strong side. I was the same, and I'll explain: So on Soul Calibur 6, my character Grøh, I considered a mid-tier character who had problems opening up turtles. But when discussing with my friend, he thought the character was ez S-tier. We had a back and forth and before I even noticed he pointed out that i simply was highlighting the weaknesses exclusively. Without considering his great moves. And overall, it changed my opinion to be more well-rounded and consider things equally. Tl;dr this guy merely is putting his experience of playing nina (and probably being countered by high level players) first. without actually taking note of how he wins and formulating an opinion from both sides. (through the characters strengths, the strings are one of them.) god i wrote an essay, fork.

I'm a fan. Please... I know you want to protect your good reputation. Don't waste your time with negative people. I support you 💯 %

interview this dude already he is just twisting your words to make you look bad

I like using Nina but I don't want to be labeled like this guy who made this video.

Out of the whole. Fgc tekken players are in the bigest denial of their game's problems

The response is out of context of the original argument: 1. "Nina is easy to play and hard to counter and therefore overall can't be labelled as one of the hardest in the game" was in response to Nina players who claim she's one of the most difficult characters in the game. The response just addresses this in general and says that every character has stuff that's hard to deal with. -Yes, agreed but not all characters are claimed to be incredibly difficult. 2. "Nina's pressure strings are easier to deal with in practice than in real matches or online" was in response to another response video that demonstrated how to counter Nina's strings. With most strings having deceptively similar startups and Nina herself being a niche character most players will struggle to counter these strings in real matches. The response again addresses this in general and says that everything is easier to counter in practice than in real matches. MainMan responded to the Nina counter video and didn't make a general statement.

Man, it's insane how spot on a lot of TMM's points are. They have really resonated with me and my Mishima experience in T7. It was my first fighting game, and a lot of the points this other guy made have felt incredibly ignorant as they felt like they were trying hard to invalidate everything I went through.

at 31:23 TMM seems like an old prostitue explaining to some new blood who fell in love with a client that no, that fine lawyer doesn't really love her and no, he won't change her life and take her away from the brothel. He has the same energy and i love him XD

You know, this Nina problem has just given me a further respect for noctus, Katarina, xiouyu and other lab/easier characters. Just think about it. The main man makes videos about how noctus, Katarina, xiouyu, etc are strong/cheap. The fanbase of those characters: yeah our main can be kinda cheap at times. Main man: and nina- Nina community:REEEEEEEEEE

Every character is the same Lee is now part of the Church of the ORA confirmed

If I was mainman, I would laugh and ignore it

you give a voice to my inner thoughts it is unreal

"every character is the same" boy oh boy now lee is as easy as ORA

How come he often argues a lot of characters are spammy to justify Nina being spammy, like, the inclusion of more spammy characters than Nina doesn't make Nina any less spammy.

There's a clear disparity in experience between these two and the way mainman handles the obvious disrespect clearly shows the difference in age and intentions.

"..super telegraphed string that no one uses after like, red ranks" "....red ranks" Hmm. Its almost like he's admitting his position is weak.

It would be cool to see TMM with his spammy Nina against a Nina player with Kazuya and have them in vocals during the match. It could be cool to settle this shit this way. With sportmanship and testosterone.

I respect little things more than debunking arguments by presenting valid evidence on the contrary. TMM, you consistently do this very well. It’s part of why I’ve been a follower since you started this channel.

Butthurt Nina-spam boy... I advise you to try Bryan and then we talk how hard Nina is to play in ranked.

I feel like a lot of people who plateau in fighting games love to make themselves a hero lmao... I'm only (whatever rank) because I main Lee, Nina, Bryan, Whoever and they're just soooo hardddd and not because my opponents are better than me and not because I can improve in like every area of the game.. My character is just soooooooo ddiiffiiccuulltt and I am a super honorable masochist for sticking with them. And just for fairness, obviously not everyone who plays those characters is like that so I'm not trying to bag on anyone in particular but damn do I feel like I hear it a lot.

challenge him! 😂 solve this with a fight instead

Professionally responded to... Well done 👍🏾

Guy makes use of memes to cover up his missed out points

I just love how these Tekken Lords try and disguise their arguments as complex and analytical, but ultimately, every time it just boils down to - "SToP cOmPlainIng nD Get GuD ScRUb!" there are a few posh words to make it sound like they're saying otherwise, but that's it - and THAT my friend, is what's harmful to the community. You're objectively correct Adrian. It's also NOT how every fighting game works - the degrees are very different if you compare say a Tekken and a SF at beginner to intermediate, even advanced levels.

I love how smart and professional TMM seems

Sounds like somebody mad because nina carried them lol

TMM is right when it comes to Josie. She doesn't have a lot of fast, plus on block moves that puts opponents in a blender like Steve, Hwoarang, or Nina that makes them ask "when is it my turn to attack?!". FF3, FFF3, CD1+2, are all slow and the only moves that are plus on block outside of jabs. She can't vortex and the worst you'll eat while blocking is a CD3. She has no snake edge that launches or any lows that knockdown on normal hit for that matter to initiate a oki vortex, which makes her more manageable for beginners/intermediates do deal with compared to characters with scarier 50/50, which are the majority of the cast. If you press buttons at negative, your her food. If your patient, it's not so bad. I fought people as nina and they didn't know which way was up and I gotta way with murder the whole time.

I’ve given TMM credit in his last Nina vid. I play her & sometimes I’ll do some spammy stuff if I’m trying to come back in a round. So, while up against a Nina, the cheese started to come out. EVEN though i do the same pressure spam with Nina, I couldn’t sidestep d434 & I couldn’t low parry the 2nd hit on can opener. The sad part was i knew the BS was coming & still couldn’t get it on the 1st try. This resonated with me & i had to admit it: countering that shit is harder than doing it.

Kazuya x mainman fanart when?

And people thought mishima players were elitist.

"Dumb, harmful opinion" is exactly what a person with a pathological animus would say. "You share NOT my own dichotomy THEREFORE you ARE my enemy." How can you live life believing anyone who's not with me is against me, only psychopaths actually think like this, insane XD!!

This is a great video because it highlights the difference between someone who is laterally minded (mainman) - someone who takes a broad open perspective. And someone who is linearly minded (B.minus) - someone who is contained and has a focused perspective. I'm not saying that one way is right and one way is wrong, though it is true that if take a low resolution perspective that we all are capable of and you focus in it gets less clear but if you step back you see the whole picture. So who can say more?

Why do people get triggered if the character they play is called easy ?

At this point we need Nina/Lee/Kazuya elitist movement. Hearing them talk about execution all day never gets old

Any RU-vidr that can get me to watch a 37-minute video all the way through definitely deserves a like and favorite.

"uhh fak u main man xDD mishimas gave me hell sweep trauma" - that guy

This is awesome...you go through the video correcting without being insulting and admitting when he has a valid point. Definitely my top streamer now my man. Tekken Dads FTW!

I feel like his argument involves a lot more personal attacks than actual points being made. And when he does try to make a point, a lot of the time it boils down to an oversimplification of what fighting games are about. This often just basically tells you to “just deal with it”, without taking into consideration how fighting games evolve in the first place. I would be careful with attempting to discourage criticisms of characters/moves, because that’s how they become more refined. These questions should always be asked and discussed, not shut down because you’re just supposed to find a solution and deal with it. Do they also think buffs and nerfs are unnecessary, since it’s okay as long as there’s a solution? Or does this logic only apply when it’s most convenient? Very confusing to me. This obviously doesn’t mean Nina should be nerfed, but this video was originally made to counter someone who made a video about dealing with Nina, and this guy responded with more general concepts that are pretty problematic when you try to apply them across the board. Overall not the right way to go about challenging ideas imo. This seemed like more of a quick emotional response, rather than one that really broke down concepts and rationalized their own thoughts. Missed the point here and there and threw out quick jabs that don’t really hold up under scrutiny. - Also I forgot to mention the sort of gatekeeping/somewhat elitist mentality of “don’t like it? Don’t play”. These sort of responses are just more “quick jabs”, they don’t actually challenge an argument and are just made to shut you down. He also sometimes takes statements and stretches them out with his own assumptions, drawing conclusions about how someone feels even though they never made that point. Also mentions early on that wavedashing is hard, and then uses wavedash as an example to say it’s hypocritical to suggest Nina can be hard to defend for how easy some moves/strings are to do. Kind of all over the place.

Imagine defend to death a videogame character so uncharismatic as Nina.

The video is reaching levels of _"An skilled Gigas can beat any high level player"_ Which is correct, but actually *_no_*

TMM should play him with Nina or Katarina and put it on RU-vid.

Honestly this guy got destroyed.. He's arrogant and overconfident his video is all about form , montage, jokes but very poor in content.

I’ve played for years and that pressure nina has as well as hwoarang is something else. Anyone who has encountered this in the game knows what i’m talking about. Standing there and just watching a never ending hurricane constantly in plus is ridiculous. Those cancels are crazy i’ve never seen it with other characters

This is a good example of how not to make an argument. He started off and it was quite acceptable, until he blabbered about and it was revealed that he's just shitting on people. Also he mixes in a little humor to hide his aggression, that is pretty much all over the place. He's not serious to make a solid argument, he just wants to flame people... Though, I guess after years, he have learned more stuff. Mainman really knows his thing.

Lul I pissed off a Nina player at my locals last week, by beating him with characters I hardly use.

This dude is completely missing the point. TMM has always said she's very counterable to expert players. He never said she's a character that can win tournaments or beat high level character. The reason TMM hates the term "scrub-killer" is because it completely disregards the low/mid level of the game. Completely trash video, he's completely missed that TMM is talking to low/mid players who are getting rekt by Nina.

i find it annoying how the nina guy just kept avoiding mainman’s actual points and just was like “um actually” to a few times mainman said the wrong thing. and he also made so many wrong generalizations, saying “everyone is like this” and then at the end, mainman stated explicitly that nina isn’t hard at *low level, he changes the topic immediately and talks about how she is hard as hell at *high level

The main thing I take from this, other then the discussion at hand, is the way the TMM gose at it, compare to the other guy. He doesn't throws slurs, he dosent curse, and he takes time to evaluate and answer every point in his argument. And when he finds something he think is correct, he points it up and give credit to it, and in the same page he dosent put down any argument he finds incorrect. While the other guy likes to use cinical jokes and curses alot, TMM did not. He even did a shout out to the other guy at the end

In summary, characters with strings that have many variations are a lot cheesier than some other characters which works really well on beginners and low ranks, but are a lot more difficult to play in higher ranks. Definitely agree with TMM on this one as i've personally experienced this myself. Not every character is designed the same way e.g. katarina (string heavy) vs kazuya (strings are almost non existent) So yeah whoever that was, hopefully he exposes himself so he never talks mad shit again. haha :)

Wow that guy just said every fighting game is the same wow I guess I should play scorpion on mk11 like I play devil Jin and play akuma on sf5 like heihachi that's dumb 😒

That shit talking guys is one of those who doesn't even understand what the conversation is about, but just bursts in with bald opinions which has nothing to do with the conversation just to make a case for himself. If I was the main man, I wouldn't even respond, because those guys will never be able to get the picture.

Back in 2018 when I was initially introduced to Tekken I immediately felt comfortable with Nina's strings because I was looking for a character that had many long reaching lows. From my perspective as a new player & looking back now retrospectively Nina was very much braindead, ranking into Genbu for my first character and first time ever playing Tekken. Subsequently I took a break from the game to focus more on R6 Siege and delegated my fighting game urges to MK11 because I wanted to learn the basic fundamentals of fighting games (spacing & frame data) from a much easier game that didn't require an entry level competitive player to learn 100 moves per character. It was very overwhelming but now I feel like since much time has passed, I'm growing out of strictly playing MK11 and welcoming the Mountain climb of learning what Tekken & Streetfighter have to offer. Since Streetfighter is notorious for completely wiping the slate with each new iteration of the game, I can get away with waiting for SF6 to come out to start learning. For the mean time, I'm learning how to play Lidia in Tekken 7 and eagerly awaiting Tekken 8