Knee - "Tekken 8 Is Not Fun" | Twitter Explodes 

And if that did not do it, you still have to deal with random rage arts after that, that are better compared to tekken 7 , cause -15 always and neutral jabs are way more beaten by rage art.

Yes 100% can I kiss you for that?

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@@finnt4937rage arts arent random ong

True

To be fair Strive made most of the cast more defensive and slow by slowing air-dashing, making mixups punishable, and making safe project oki less common and rarely looping back into its self. I just wish that developers stopped trying to homogenize the fighting game genre into the same moderate blend of aggression and defense. Not every fighting game needs to be a midrange fighting game like Streetfighter.

@@giantdinoboy8264 I read strive and stopped reading right there, I said guilty gear

​@@sofaking9404Strive is the most popular version and the game with the most neutral so I thought that Strive was the game being discussed.

​​@@sofaking9404imagine being so elitist you can't have a decent conversation without being condescending when someone is willing to engage with you in discussion, so you put down their argument all bc you didn't specify which guilty gear game(s) you were referring to. If you don't read this to the end, then you implicitly admit that it's a fact that you have such a low reading and comprehension level you can't process more than one scentence at a time

@@sofaking9404so you’re talking about the first guilty gear specifically?

Play SNK games, far better balancing than ArcSys ( they always messed it up) and Namco.

​@@awesomereviews1561Kof 15 is dead. 10 minutes to find a match and when you find it will be 150+ ms against a dude who's been playing kof since 98 and he'll destroy you

What about SF6? How balanced is it?

@@ourada46 pretty balanced imo. There's like 5 bad character but you can still win with them if ur good

​@@junior1388666naw you trippin, at master if you aren't a dlc character that no one understands yet....the base roster at master is Deejay, Juri, Ken, Zangeif(he's bad at neutral but his punish damage Is broken enough for people to risk it), chun li(takes extreme amount of effort to use and i know because her and ryu were my mains), Luke and cammy. If you aren't one of those, then good luck.

I was surprised that it was over 1 million views 😂 but I guess people have a lot of respect for Knee and his opinions.

@@RealMikeHollow LOL yea ig so, people really gotta stop putting blinders on tho. What he said was very basic and just a fact. Arguing Tekken 8 ISNT the most aggressive fighting game, is to legit just lie lol.

@@hartfantom I mean it's _not_ the most aggressive fighting game. It is the most aggressive Tekken yes but fighting game? No definitely not lol. You do still have a lot more defensive and evasive options than you do in many other games.

Except it's a fact that it's not truly fun.

@@mee091000you can tell the people who only play Tekken when they say Tekken 8 is the most aggressive fighter

They ruin every conversation on anything.

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knee should just git gud BROO 🙄

The classic "this game is good for a month before I start losing" players are always the most annoying by default with every fighting game to be released

@@aledantih6524 So once people had time with the game and see the flaws and are past the honeymoon stage of new game/ new experiences, that's when people want to complain, when they actually have had time with the game and are able to look at it with a more critical eye, that's what you're annoyed about, or are you annoyed that people weren't complaining when it was new so they are a bunch of hypocrites, either way that's a very wrong mentality, that ignores time put into the game, patch updates, burnout, or the game not having much to it

Same

Fr picked up eddy and my first time in ranked I hit red ranks when stopped, it honestly felt mindless

@@aweto5199 okay I will admit Eddy is a whole ass problem lol

I think Tekken didn't need to increase aggressiveness, but rather reduce passivity. They are two waaay different things. By increasing aggressiveness too much, you send tactics and maneuvers to waste. For example Law is based on feints, but you can't feint if you have the opponent spamming attacks over you 100% of the time. They just broke the game. That's why the game is unbalanced right now, but I believe it still can be fixed.

@@johnmacoI wouldn’t even call it aggressiveness. Just straight cheese. How is it that a move that should be negative on block still allows my opponent to get the same whole ass combo off before I can even get my punish off. I’ve found myself saying “how the hell did they get that off” or “how the hell did they hit me” way more times than previous games.

Facts!

no game has been around long enough to have multiple generations of veterans 😂😂 tf u talking about

@euomu are u serious. Sf has Been around almost 40 years tekken 30 years marvel nearly 30 years. Sf2 one generation 3s another sf4 another... haha this has to be a joke. Mvc2 alone has had several resurgence each with its on generation of players. In fact Justin Wong is part of the second generation of mvc2 players lol.

@@euomu the confidence to be this wrong is something that I wish I had

@@jaya6329 Tekken out for 30 years is one set of Veterans lol. Street Fighter you could argue 2 but most people adapted to 3s

@@sugoi9680So your argument is only one set of people ever played tekken in the entire existence of the franchise? Over the course of those 30 years You have at least 3 generations of people in general. But to you they only count as one set of people. If this is your point or understanding then there is no point in having any further discussion. Please think about this though. Each iteration of a game will have both new and old players. That is already two generations. Arlsan is considered a vet but he started playing tekken with tekken 6. That's 5 iterations before he even started, and by tekken 8 he is considered a veteran from the old generation of the game....

Greedy doesn't equal wanting to stay afloat. The industry right now has very little room for expensive, super niche titles and even with the more accessible nature of T8 it's still already pretty niche. Gatekeeping kills games and genres.

@@aledantih6524and tekken held out on not doing that for the longest. Probably longer than any fighter. Need to cut em some slack frfr. Whole lotta tears over this brand new game. The veterans had thier time to understand the game and its mechanics. Hiding combos and frame data for the people that actually learned n wanted thier secrets of thier playing styles kept. But them secrets are washed up now. Tekken is more transparent and less gate keepy. And I honestly just think people are just mad about that subconsciously more than anything.

@@georgecastanza6712 it's just the nature of the FGC. They'd honestly prefer if they released the same game over and over

@@aledantih6524 gatekeeping retains the identity and soul of these games and genres. Ever notice how when anything go mainstream, it goes to sht? Notice how all modern fg does not have the soul of any of the old ones. In style, in identity, in community, in difficulty. Just easy popcorn entertainment. Pretty lights without substance. This is the sacrifice made for accessibility. It goes deep. Accessibility dilutes everything. Its like watching fast and furious. You literally just said the money matters in the end without saying it outright. Which is exactly what these companies want.

@@lostvayne9146 I don't notice that because it's not there, it's just something nostalgia addicts and doomers have tricked themselves into believing. These games still have plenty of heart, soul and yes, substance. Also fighting games are way less mainstream even now than they were before.

Facts

Tekken 7 sluggish though compare to 8 . I can see how the game was rush

Same here. Winning doesnt feel good in this game for the most part. THe fact that they obliterated my playstyle also doesnt help. Kazumi was my main in tekken 7 alongside dragunov cause i enjoyed a more fundamental and defensive gameplay and i simply cant do that here, there are no characters that are built for it. I try playing kazuya from time to time to get closer to what i enjoyed in T7 but i lack consistent execution to main him and i feel like its still better to get ppl to the wall and abuse your heat offense. Mashing buttons was never fun for me, even when i was a begginer. I even thought about switching to Shaheen in T8 but they made him just like the rest of the cast so rn i struggle to even find the character that i want to spend my time with. I desperately want to play the game, i want to like it because i fell in love with Tekken 7, even though i wasnt that good at it, only reached Raijin, but i just cant find the same passion for this game.

​@@monkeyandtangerines3621 tekken 7 is only sluggish during backdashes.

Whenever I win a round with a heat smash or any of this cheap shit I feel guilty. With Heat I feel like I’m in a fistfight but there is a gun in the room at all times it just depends on who decides to dishonor themself first by picking it up.

🤣🤣 So true.

Wow. That’s not good. 😢

How tf game punished you for a good read on 50/50? Low parry, reversal, hyrer armour, moves that reduce your hitbox, jumps and sidesteps. Block is the safest option and should have some downsides.

Now i just imagine Kazuya throwing potato chips at Jun sleeping on the couch.

@@AmiriHipHop bro really said he waited years for this moment 😭

In a game where dudes are doing flykicks at you it makes sense. Plus, in a game backdash/ss block. You need some way to call out incessant blocking

Eddie simply wasn't annoying enough

Chip damage is nowhere near the worst thing in t8

It’s not even satisfying to win that way either, it’s just this empty feeling. It’s a real problem man, kinda sad to see what the game has become

I'm to that point as well. Been playing since t2

Its a bitter truth, no matter how hard we want to deny it... Game jus isn't the same anymore.

you haven't played for 27 years nonstop, that statement means nothing, Maybe your brain has just decided to find a stubborn corner and refuses to move beacuse ''I'm right'' yet people will keep playing beyond your time on the game, to be THAT mad over it instead of having fun where you can seems to me like you've just become jaded and it's not just the game. All the older games ahd annoying things about them as well

When I saw others playing T8 I immediately thought this was a SF game. 🤷🏾‍♀️

@@Redcloudsrocks intesive playing from T2 - T5, other than that casual.. soo yea, thats that.. Also, its supose to get better over time, not the other way around, but have fun with what you have. Im just getteng the f out of the Tekken franschise. Say what you want, what im experiencing is only up to me, and if i decide it is trash, it is. If you like it, then good on ya.

Tekken 8 doing nothing to get as many people playing as possible. There is nothing to do for new player in Tekken 8 to stay.

Tekken 7/Mk11 was the "made for casuals" era.

@@Disconnect350 Tekken 7 made for casuals? game barely had any content and the content it had was dogshit at release

@@The300Player 1000% Tekken 7 was a disgrace.

yea good question!

100% agree

I mean that's because T7 has no mechanics besides rage art and people can block all day, maybe you're just jaded are looking too hard for ''skill or bad/good players''

When ever I plays Kuma if I face a azucena I literally have to nothing to answer besides power crushes

Quit with that issue of backing knee this is the same person thought Tekken 7 was best game literally was rigged sluggish mechanic developed game

@@maxlopez7671tekken 7 played closer to traditional tekken . 8 on the other hand has traded movement and defense for endless mashing I can tell you never played tekken prior to 7😂

Bandi namco higher ups barely care about pluggers what you think they hire a team dev to add those features

this is a sf6 problem as well not just limited to 5. All the mechanics are overtuned save reversal which ironically is not very good.

I remember winning a ranked match with balrog dashing in the corner and mashing triangle completely auto pilot

Tekken has been more aggressive since 5 and has only shot up from there, I think there are some things that can be balanced to make just normal blocking more viable but compared to MK1 it’s miles ahead in terms of defense

@@RojoTrueShinobi everything things is miles ahead of mk in general

What I dont like about this is how devs are using 50/50's as the go to method to mitigate fundamental play and even the odds when facing superior opponents. Instead of motivating players to better their gameplay, now everyone gets free 50/50s that will land half of the time no matter how good you are. I went from being amazef at my opponents good plays to being annoyed at bs

Only glazers act like it’s just old heads .

Haha hell yes! Look at Nina, she is a nightmare in heat and will delete your healthbar while you sit there blocking in seconds.

Fair point fair point. I do agree, but it can only ride them for so long before word gets around and it starts to slow the sales down.

no? Tekken5/DR selling more

Tekken 7 was trash, 8 is better but still a soulless modern fighting game.

@Disconnect350 stop talking nonsense you were just a bad player in Tekken 7 and probably the other games before it too no one needs someone like you in the community or in the game to make it better just go away and play your mk1 get in your ass

totally agree...and also when they try so hard to imitate a mechanic from 2d fighting games. This heat system is just a rip off of SFV's V System without a defensive option. lol.

Rambunctious use of the word, good sir *tips hat*

If Bamco and Capcom could sustain their fighting games off hardcore players alone there’d be no need to branch to a casual audience.

@@DrSwazz Warner Archive (not a game company and is a division of Warner Bros) has the exact same problem with the Looney Tunes and other classic films, as hardcore fans are not many enough to sustain the sales alone so they will have to brance out the release and play it save with those releases, while hard core film fans might want all the controversial stuff.

@@kristjanbirnirivansson528 Exactly. You gotta pick a camp of players that will keep your franchise going in the long term.

All you do is block like a, forgive me, weak bich. WHY don't you press some buttons and ACTUALLY FIGHT. It's a fighting game

I used to love For Honor but they really messed it up ☠️

So true man. When For Honor came out I could see clear skill progression as I continued to play. Everyone in the early seasons playing at higher levels would be untouchable against someone that was new to the game. Defense was vital and parrying and feinting was the way to skill check people. The game used to award defense more than offense. Some people might have called a long match where no one gets hit boring but I actually find it far more satisfying to have an evenly matched clanging of swords with a variety of mixups to try and break their defense rather than the same 3 abusable moves spammed over and over in random order by both players till one of them gets the win.

I played for honor and I disagree If your referring to the CCU. they sped up everything but if you were good, you still bodied people. The things I hated was when they started adding dumb properties to moves like bps light light heavy, where his top heavy would literally track through a vertical plane. Which doesnt make sense. But all the newer heros are braindead and lazy. To help the casuals.

@spooky4223 Bro I used to be a Master's Valkerie. Literally played the game since the beta full no life 😂 the game was very defensive before and had some lame tactics which made PC a snooze fest at high level. Instead of slowly balancing the game to fix these issues AT HIGH LEVEL, they sped it up HEAVILY to the point where a formerly unreactable PK zone is now an average light attack, gave everyone dodge attacks, gave everyone unblockables, and no character has a real identity now because everyone can just mash. It's a guessing game. Older FH had way more skill expression. I haven't touched the game in about a year by now and I guarantee I could hop on, pick Orochi, and free up some people lol

@thehorse5307 THANK YOU!!!!! EXACTLY!!! We think the exact same man. It's a long fight with extreme mind games of feinting. I remember back when Kensei had to feint 3 times to get in a light then start his mixups 😂😂 it was slow but it was sooooo much more interesting to watch because winning felt EARNED

I feel u bro. I’m a mediocre Steve player and fuck trying to bait for counter hits, the strings just don’t end…

As a Lili Player, I felt that. Not fun at all.

Yeah dude, you can completely outplay someone too and they still win because they're a dragunov or feng. Complete bs

Like raven for example

Claudio’s a biyash, too. Shooting arrows all day and spamming that make-you-ballerina-spin attack. Just kidding! ^_^

That’s making Tekken more like SF6 by solely keeping the drive rush mechanic

They already tried that in Tekken 4, and people HATED it. Damn near put the franchise on its death bed despite being the coolest game in the series aesthetic wise.

@@irishpizza2823 shouldve happen here too. T8 must kill the game forever.

Ironic all the comments are screaming “stop dumbing down the game!” And now that’s literally what you are advocating for

That actually seems like a good idea

u even game bro? storymode "good"? lol

​@user-or4ct5ow6b if you didn't like it that's you, but bro is speaking facts right now. A lot of fighting games don't have as much single player content as Tekken 8 does. Tekken force with RPG elements sounds hard asf

And just to add an important context: for the ones who aren't aware, the truth is that Daigo isn't a big fan of the defense attributes of SF3 and SF4.... he already said that in old translated clips. He prefers more offensive games. His ability to play well those games of strong defense attributes doesn't mean he loves them or at least find that playstyle the best one.

Daigo and Tokido have that similar philosophy to the game, Broski did an interview with Tokido at Red Bull Kumite and he similarly said the game was above SF5. A lot of the Japanese pros love SF6 for it's playstyle, the western pros hate it because they fail to adapt and are used to autopiloting to get results.

Is that not how heat works? From my understanding and playing, I thought chip damage was only awarded when your in heat. Also leading to where you can't die from chip

​@@NrettGtheres also certain moves that have chip. I think its heat engagers that do chip but i dont fully know

@@PervySage723 Interesting, do they do chip when you try entering into heat (where sometimes you just don't enter it because it failed) or is it because it has the property of an heat engager that it does chip automatically? If it's the latter it has to be a bug then since they probably applied it assuming you would go into heat anyway.

@@NrettG yah idk. I know kazuyas ff2 demonpaw does ship and its a heat engager

@@PervySage723 There's also the rare ki charge, which is where the chip damage concept originated in the series back in Tekken 3. However, it's a non-factor especially in comparison to Tekken 8's chip damage options. And while every hit is a counter hit, you can't block in ki charge mode.

No, even as a casual player the aggressive playstyle is annoying. It's probably more to be flashy and nice to watch. It's basically made for streamers.

Yeah I wish I knew why but trying to block in tekken 8 just feels so mushy. I liked it in tekken 7 where it felt like getting attacked was purely your fault for not blocking where to here I just have no idea why blocking isn't working half the time.

uhhh? im not sure. Its more like this really simple gameplan is being exploited very easily and the game encourages aggression over defense. both are the yin yang of fighting games if that makes sense

@@InTheKitchenWristStirFryhe isn’t wrong though that’s what people are complaining about and Tekken has been easier since 5, also MK1 is a lot worse where defense is non existent, in Tekken it always took more than just blocking to have good defense, you have to learn to side step, parry, duck, learn to read characters and their patterns, and you do have to learn frame data because certain moves will completely shut someone down The real problems I see are surrounding RA and HS and certain moves from characters

@@RojoTrueShinobi idk ig i just thought the dunking analogy was weird, maybe im a tard

@@InTheKitchenWristStirFry You’re saying there’s more “Yang” offense, than “Yin” defense. I think the game now “forces” you to learn the matchups to be good at defense, while casuals can come in and play good offense.

@@InTheKitchenWristStirFry You’re no tard. I’m a weird thinker.

Tag 2 was one of the only ones where I truly believed it was my fault and haven't felt that way in any other Tekken game sense. Tag 2, you can get so good that you could annihilate someone in a matter of 30secs for the full fight.

@@sky-oq5mr I don't understand the reasoning, Tekken 6 and 7 had a neutral game, knowledge check defensive style gameplay loop. Tag 2 was built on the mechanics of 6, the major problem with Tag 2 was the damage which is also a big problem with 8.

TTT2 is now only brought up to talk about how chaotic Tekken 8 is. Rightfully so.

@@RationalMinded it was brought up during Tekken 7 as well. We didn't know what we had until those shitty as sequal came out. I use to be mad af playing ttt2 but it was at myself not the game.

@@Matt123Chez tag 2 damage was rewarding, the damage was never the problem. Everyone had high damage and characters paired with other characters allowed some wonderful things. Tekken tag 2 and prior all had massive damage. Literally T5 you could kill a dude in 8 hit combos that consisted of majority jabs. Same shit in Tekken 3 and 4. Tekken 2 you could be one shot by grabs, normal grabs. Tekken 8 damage is very very low, with how aggressive people are as well as healing, it's awful. Tekken was never a game strictly about neutral like ever. It was used to open people up for a chance to punish heavily. You make a mistake you die, like a real fight. You didn't get many chances and it separated the bums from the greatest. Tekken 7 and 8 doesn't do that. It gives all these easy mode options to avoid punishment or avoid having to play Tekken at all. It's very sad

You mean they became too accessible (easy). They'd watered down Tekken for you casuals.

Exactly

Yes the skill sceeling has dropped alot it seems, sad

it’s ass 7 is sm more fun

The fighting game community in a nutshell

old game good new game bad 2024 edition

I’m surprised actually niggas been glazing this game and the signs of scrub shit been in the game since launch .i instantly noticed the change in gameplay .

I did lol.. It's common, first it's a GREAT game (Lots Of Clicks), content views even out, Then it's BROKEN no good (Lots of clicks), when people stop clicking these headlines it goes to Tekken 8 COMEBACK/FIXED (lots of clicks), vicious redundant cycle of BS.

Thank you, Sir. Appreciate your support and kind words ☝🏾

Regardless, it's an absolutely undeniable reality that the modern strategy (actually since the late PS3 and PS4 gen) worked in commercial terms. It's true that the franchises were sustained by the passionate community in the beginning, but it's also true that all franchises became harder to sustain under that old model of management. SF literally died and was buried for almost 10 years with Third Strike. All other franchises like Darkstalkers and MvC died. SNK games died (and the company too), then returned but struggling hardly, and KOF 13 (the best looking 2d fg ever) underperformed and almost killed the company a 2nd time. Tekken struggled around the time of late T6 and Tag2, and SC only deteriorated in popularity since SC3 and struggled very hard particularly in the SC5 time. And DOA also deteriorated after the late 00s, and VF in practical terms died, because it didn't get a true new game since the mid 00s (not very different from new versions of SF2 that continued being made after the 90s). So all active franchises had a struggling phase... And there's also a lot of old franchises that stay dead and buried. So what can we expect from the companies when the games started doing so much better the moment they change the management strategy? Literally all of them sold better than in the past. Worse: the newest versions of each franchise, that opened up even more to the casual public, are doing extremely well. It shows the old school community alone isn't enough to sustain these games. Like it or not, this genre as whole truly cannot afford to continue functioning like in the 90s-00s. There's no way to solve this problem.

@@carlosaugusto9821 i think that the answer is to keep a balance between the casuals and the hard core if (IF) you care about the "soul" of the game, the problem is that we are living in a post mobile gaming world and mobile games are extremely successful, and what kind of players play mobile games? Casuals, so it is natural that companies saw that and immediately started watering at their mouths and changing games to attract casual audiences. So what we are left with is a very destructive trend that will continue to make games worse because the only thing that really matters is money, and I'm sorry but that's not how we got the best games ever made, most had very humble beginnings and were made with passion, money wasn't as much the main objective as it is today. Look at the "yellow paint" in modern games, is that necessary? No, even toddlers can figure out how to play a game, but it's all about laziness. do you know that a lot of successful mobile games are autoplay? like they play themselves... This is the gift of the casual player, and this is what we are witnessing in games, in SF6 we get modern controls, in granblue FVR we get easy inputs, it's because they know people don't like to make an effort to play a game anymore, and it will continue to turn games into worse versions of themselves. Casuals don't care about the essence of a game, the consume and then jump to another game, just like locusts consume and jump to another crop, yes they are many but not for long. This is what happens when you have suits controlling a gaming company instead of a developer with a vision and passion, all the money in the planet is never enough for them. Look at fromsoftware, they don't care about appealing to casuals, at least they don't ruin their vision for that... For now.

Yeah, Majority of games are being made casual/simplified these days, not just fighting games. Games in the 90s and 2000s, there were not many "hand-holding" features, but now theres so many. Games these days are made for everyone, rather than a focused niche

that is just the meta now, its sad. We got devs that i swear probably dont even play video games dumbing down games to appeal to casuals. Happens with all games not just fighting games.

And people wondered why Soul Calibur died, it just catered to the casuals way too much. SC3-6 might as well have been single player games. It just became a make your own anime girl simulator. Like litterally they added rock paper scissors as a mechanic in SC6. It's embarrassing.

Yeah then characters at beginning should be far away from each other so that people don’t use lag switch or frame traps which they will hit you at beginning before you have a chance to get away or block 🤷‍♂️

You missed the whole point

​@@servalkorion686nah bruh. U did

@@servalkorion686 it boils down to people wanting to play tekken 7 in a tekken 8 game... this isnt tekken 7. mechanics have changed. meta has changed. playstyle has changed. sure, right now, gameplay is super agressive. But lets consider a super defensive gameplay for a moment...is this ideal? No coz its super boring to watch a classic defensive boring no risk, just backdash, superior defensive, and waiting out opponent making a mistake, gameplay style. We had this gameplay for 7 years now. Its time for new meta.

​@@user-or4ct5ow6b all i heard was "a game isn't good at all, unless it's being drasitcally different all the fucking time". Look dude, nothing has ever stopped a player from being aggressive in older tekkens. That's the whole point of having a playstyle. Playing how you want. Wanna turtle? Do it. Wanna go head first at someone? Do it. There's no "meta" at all. A meta shouldn't even exist in a fighting game. The whole point of any fighting game is one guy goes after the other, and the other FINDS A WAY around it. Tekken 8 sounds lopsided as fuck with people complaining about being locked in 50/50 guesses.

@@EvilIceCream333 nobody cares what u think. Adapt or play monkey island escape on the wii. lmao @nobody stopped u from playing agressive... Everyone can say the same to you. Aint nobody stopping u from playing defensive in tekken 8. Learn how to block!! I seen people learning KBD before Tekken8 came out. bragging about it. Tough luck, you snooze u lose. U bet on wrong horse. Fk those KBD. Aint nobody wanting to see that shat in tourneys. Its BORING to watch, even more annoying to play against. Learn how to block in tekken 8 or go play monkey escape island or whatever its called. This isnt tekken 7. Its tekken 8.

Well it actually does look good, in particular, female characters look great. But agreed on everything else

Nah that’s not true you you have chars with homing df1 you still can’t escape pressure with trash back dash and wr moves

@@BecomingYourIdeal Also its way to easy to force a 50/50 in this game and 90% of games just turn into guessing matchs with take literally all the skill out of it. Especially with heat!

Is victor azucena feng dragunov and jun fair? I think tf not

@@darkninja9499 s-tier exists in every game, doesn't mean they need big changes

I play kuma so I'm always having to fight harder but I still respect all players than king scrubs

It’s crazy how they going crazy with micro transactions and street fighter is still the most egregious out of all them. Modern gaming practices are something else man

$4. Fuck avatar skins tho

@@M_CFV I will never forget them expensive ass tmnt skins that was hysterical

Don't leave SF out of this. The trio is united to rip off their respective playerbase.

@carlosaugusto9821 you are 100% right. Tekken 8 will win the award for worse micro transaction of all time because they are just getting started.

You ain't lying. It happened with CvS2 for those who lived through it. The game is very coveted now, but it got more than it's fair share of criticism when it was active. So it's not limited to the modern era of fighting games.

@@Judgment Happened heavily with pretty much all iterations of SF3 too.

@@aledantih6524 True. Of the 3, I think New Generation was the most heavily criticized (outside of the graphics). But 3rd Strike took the biggest hit because at that point, people didn't complain because they really didn't care unless you played at Family Fun Arcade in Cali, Nebraska, or TOSF. To top it off, 3rd Strike was released in the middle of MvC1-2, Tekken Tag, Alpha 3, and the forthcoming CvS series. It was really an uphill battle that took years to get out of.

@@Judgment exactly and look at it now, praised in almost every way and even considerd the best fighting game by some. I just find it insane that the FGC doesn't learn from its mistakes and out themselves as complete hypocrites.

Tekken never had meter or chip damage in 30 years. It's not the same as Tag 2 to 7. If anything 7 improved on stuff people hated from Tag 2 which was a disaster of a game in itself. 8 took the worst parts of 7 and made them even worse.

Me too Yen!! I love how Geese and Akuma feels like they were straight from their games and the Customization is awesome Plus Kunimitsu and Negan have those 2,2,2,2,2, strings....lol!

You'd be surprised bro. You should give Helldive mode a go. It's so much fun ☝🏾

You described a three way mix up. But a fifty fifty is significantly stronger. The recent lars buff is an example. He now forces you into a true fifty-fifty. Where you have to either guess mid or low. Where before you had the option to sidestep as your third option. The thing I made tekke different from most fighting games is that they allowed you to explore your options. But a lot of these matches now end on a coin flip, which isn't really impressive to see. Because anybody can coin flip anybody. Coin flip situations are very strong in Tekken. Since one bad guess can lead to death. Different playstyles should be able to shine through in the game. But instead they decide to change characters like ling and turn her into a mixup character as well.

Your post misunderstands what entails pressure in fighting games and what exactly are the risks a player is guessing for. Skip to bottom for the Tl;dr In sf, yes if someone does a meaty on wake up its a guess between whether they use a strike, throw or cmd grab; but a player's option to deal with these aren't a monolith and they convey entirely different risks for getting hit by the specific options as well as players having a plethora of ways to cover multiple options on their wake up. Yes if you knock someone down in sf u can either hit them with a low or high(that hit crouch) on wakeup, but while seeming like a mix up in 2d fgs this is in truth a non mix up because by crouch blocking you cover both the low and high options which leaves only the overheads to hit mid on crouchers; but this also is not a true mix up in most cases because overheads generally are reactable thus making wake up options in reality a guess between not if they going to hit high or low and everyother option; but is it going to be a strike vs a throw or cmd throw. And with option selects like delay teching you can beat both the strike and the regular grab option which then opens up the next layer of shimmying required by the offensive player to break their opponents defense. We could spend an obscene amount of time just covering the totality of scenarios encountered by just wake ups but moving past that you also have scenarios like block pressure which further add to the complexity of pressure in fighting games; primarily that moves have pushback. Fighting games arent just do plus on block move into plus on block move or else the person who attacks will simply loop their +3 jab into their 3frame jab and never stop. Fgs universally have pushback to put a stop to the ability to mindlessly press buttons thus opening up an entirely new layer to applying block pressure that would take even longer to cover than just wakeup options. Tekken's wakeup system is appreciably different from sf's system but these concepts i referred to generally remain true outside of the differences between cmd grabs and how the low/mid/high options work in tekken. What ppl hate about heat is that, and pressure as a whole in t8, there is no escape from it in many scenarios. Whether its heat dash negating pushback and continuing block pressure; heat burst negating a players spacing and mvmt by hitting near range 3 and tracking both steps; or the highly unbalanced heat smashes further skewing the tiers of characters, tekken has no way for players to alleviate pressure from all of these options to return or establish the neutral. All of this isnt even including the overall buff to the sheer amount of plus frame moves introduced and how plus they are( dragunov having a freaking +7 low that tracks) and the introduction of chip damage - which literally makes blocking a bad option - makes tekken 8 absolutely infuriating to deal with in a series long noted for having a multiplicity of ways to escape from pressure. Keep in mind everything written so far is still a massive summarization of what would need to be written to cover even an adequate amount when it comes to the depth of just establishing block pressure in fighting games( not even including the just as, if not even more dense, discussion needed to cover neutral in fighting games) Tl;Dr : The answer to your question is so immensely complex, that in order to be able to cover all possible scenarios you could theoretically ask requires developing an answer so in-depth that it becomes impossible to summarize said answer in a succinct paragraph. Forced 50/50s eliminates this complexity entirely, and reduces it down to rock/paper/scissors but even less complex. Because in r/p/s you and your opp have mutual choices to make, but with a 50/50 what you have is not a choice but a question; will your opponent kill you with rock? Or will they kill you with scissors? With a steep penalty enforced for picking the wrong answer. And this is why fg players dislike inescapable 50/50s in a game designed with numerous ways to force them onto the player.

@@John-xs9ru informative post. Appreciated.

Are you ok???? The tweet you're referring to, didn't even mention wake up situations 😂 Have you not played the game? These guessing situations mainly happen when you are standing and blocking.