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A320 ENGINE BATTLE! CFM56 vs IAE V2500 vs PW1100G! Choose Your Favorite! 

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The CFM56 makes a really nice spool up, as well as a very distinctive roar, while the mighty IAE is screaming at the top of its lungs, letting everyone around it know that it's ready for takeoff, followed by a loud and clear roar as the A320 rolls down the runway! The PW1100G might not sound all that impressive, but its revolutionary geared fan has proved its extreme reliability (not), low noise levels, and fuel efficiency. Choose your favorite!
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@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 6 лет назад
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@naturallyherb
@naturallyherb 6 лет назад
Happy birthday!
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 6 лет назад
thank you
@FlyersAviation
@FlyersAviation 6 лет назад
Happy Birthday to you mate!
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 6 лет назад
Warhawk Thanks appreciate it!!!
@NovaAviation
@NovaAviation 6 лет назад
Happy Birthday and have a great day tomorrow!
@LemuelTaylor
@LemuelTaylor 4 года назад
V2500s all day, every day. They have the most character. Just the sound of them taxiing that shrill noise then the sudden switch from the spool up to the raw buzzsaw sound. Epic!
@SpookyDaScaaary
@SpookyDaScaaary 5 лет назад
The CFM's gorgeous thrust-reverser doors make it an absolute favourite for me 😍
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Max Fiveland That is true mate the CFM56 and Trent 700 have amazing thrust reversers!
@ahmadtheaviationlover1937
@ahmadtheaviationlover1937 3 года назад
@@VoraciousAvgeek LOOVE the sound of the IAE VS2500
@ashayjadhav1985
@ashayjadhav1985 5 лет назад
Sad times when the cabin music is as loud as the engine
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Yep that will be the norm soon. No roar, just electric sounding engines
@kerucutgaming2216
@kerucutgaming2216 3 года назад
It means more efficient engine, noise is one of wasted energy.
@silentious320
@silentious320 4 года назад
They All Sound frikin Awesome. The Roar is Incredible on the IAE though
@NaumRusomarov
@NaumRusomarov 5 лет назад
definitely impressed by the pw1100g. pleasantly quiet.
@Dontpanic4242
@Dontpanic4242 4 года назад
i was watching the vid and listening and am like wtf.. it was taxiing?
@utfgamingyt8294
@utfgamingyt8294 4 года назад
That is the A320neo variant
@TheRipeerH
@TheRipeerH Год назад
PW1100G zzzzzz 😴
@johnnymclaneutah
@johnnymclaneutah 4 года назад
i used to be CFM fan boy but i have fallen in love with the IAE V2500 :P still love the CFM tho... i haven't forgot about it.
@matheo9246
@matheo9246 4 года назад
Thats my case too homie
@kirkykyle2144
@kirkykyle2144 3 года назад
lol 100% me
@BrycePensabene
@BrycePensabene Месяц назад
Same lol
@firealarmtechguy4444
@firealarmtechguy4444 5 лет назад
IAE V2500-D5 FOR THE WIN YEAH! It's the SAME ENGINE AS MY FAVORITE PLANE the McDonnellDouglas MD-90/ DC-9-90
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
FireAlarmTechGuy4444 You are correct.
@calvinrovinescu6166
@calvinrovinescu6166 5 лет назад
Except the A320 uses the -A5
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 4 года назад
Also, MURICA!!
@Tecladoeaviacao
@Tecladoeaviacao 5 лет назад
IAE Insane Audition Engine ehehehehehe
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Insane Audio Enjoyable lololo
@thebusdriverofperajarvi1176
@thebusdriverofperajarvi1176 4 года назад
Insane Audio Eargasm
@alphaadhito
@alphaadhito 3 года назад
There's an airline that operate A320 with that distictive IAE V2500 roar flew past my house twice a day. I often smile because I can recognize the airline that flew past by the engine type :D
@RellyOhBoy
@RellyOhBoy 3 года назад
The PW1100G is gonna cause alot of bird strikes, its so damn quiet you can barely tell its running.
@box3229
@box3229 5 лет назад
Cfm56 sounds like a nascar Daytona international speedway
@rainbowrailroadcrossing7798
@rainbowrailroadcrossing7798 3 года назад
That would be the rolls Royce RB-211
@djmasterty2309
@djmasterty2309 Год назад
The engine that beats all a320 engines would be the CFM Leap 1A. The Pratt & Whitney PW1100G is my favorite out of the three in this engine battle.
@Jet-Pack
@Jet-Pack 3 года назад
You forgot to include the sound of the PW1100G, there is just silence :D
@paintedblue6006
@paintedblue6006 5 лет назад
CFM FOR THE WIN!!! I went in an A320 with the CFM once to get from Detroit to Newark NJ. I loved it
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Alright, fair enough thank you for sharing your opinion.
@paintedblue6006
@paintedblue6006 5 лет назад
Np
@maxsido2149
@maxsido2149 3 года назад
@@curtiswhyte3297 IAE V2500 All the Roary way
@Sananeamkkk
@Sananeamkkk 5 лет назад
IAE V2500, because of buzzsaw. ;)
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Fair enough thank you for sharing
@akashprakashnair11
@akashprakashnair11 4 года назад
Me too
@AviationShots._
@AviationShots._ 3 года назад
The front fan (N1) spins at around 5600 rpm during take-off. At 1.56m diameter of the fan, this rpm makes the fan tips reach speeds of Mach 1.3 at sea level (1.3 times the speed of sound). That might be one of the reason for the buzzsaw.
@turbofanct6679
@turbofanct6679 3 года назад
I deeply hate the cabin music from the fibres of my soul, but, I have to say, that genuine PW PurePower roar accompanied by the notes of “Schindler's list” was absolutely gorgeous! If this is the standard on Air Astana...then Air Astana all the way!
@farukche3848
@farukche3848 5 лет назад
IAE V2500 for me
@RVNspotting
@RVNspotting 6 лет назад
I usually prefer mature technology but I'm really starting to like the PW1100G.
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 6 лет назад
RVNspotting I hate all modern engines :)
@farukche3848
@farukche3848 5 лет назад
@@VoraciousAvgeek 😂
@rainbowrailroadcrossing7798
@rainbowrailroadcrossing7798 3 года назад
I just hate engines that don’t have a good buzz roar
@gasviation9077
@gasviation9077 2 года назад
@@rainbowrailroadcrossing7798 like ge90, it barely has any
@82_930
@82_930 2 года назад
@@VoraciousAvgeek The trent Xwb84 is the best sounding modern engine, almost sounds better than V2500
@goldenstateaviation2861
@goldenstateaviation2861 5 лет назад
I personally detest the PW because of the zero engine roar
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Same here
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Also... I never heard or seen anybody use the word "Detest". I had to look it up xD
@goldenstateaviation2861
@goldenstateaviation2861 5 лет назад
FlightFilms lol almost nobody uses it it’s kinda old I think
@richygambs321
@richygambs321 4 года назад
Same with the CFM Leap, no roar. Actually Leap is worse, becase the moment the wheels leave the ground all you hear is a sickening high pitched sound. How the hell do people find that pleasent? It totally took the enjoy out of sitting near the engine for takeoff. However I have noticed that on the new Leap and PW engines, you can hear some buzzsaw a few after takeoff as the plane climbs. Personally I like hearing engine noise because it gives you a feel of what the aircraft is doing if not sitting near a window or if in the clouds.
@brunosoares.6077
@brunosoares.6077 4 года назад
FlightFilms L
@Dontpanic4242
@Dontpanic4242 4 года назад
I am a GE TF39 person.. but any turbo in general is sexy sounding! That metallic sound
@sol2wit781
@sol2wit781 4 года назад
pw a320neo sounds like mini trent 1000
@SDGaming-ti9rv
@SDGaming-ti9rv 3 года назад
Nothing beats the roar of the IAE v2500 :)
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 2 года назад
know right mate
@aribamamarjeet8814
@aribamamarjeet8814 2 года назад
Ge-90 can beat
@anggatpm3183
@anggatpm3183 5 лет назад
IAE V2500 of course :-)
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Alright, fair enough
@Lukas4182
@Lukas4182 4 года назад
PW has the best sound of all, the sound of efficiency!
@blackmaiden3893
@blackmaiden3893 3 года назад
The sound of dullness.
@techlover4500
@techlover4500 5 лет назад
PW, it just gives me a feeling of safety and comfort.
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Interesting
@techlover4500
@techlover4500 5 лет назад
@@VoraciousAvgeek Interesting but truth is these engines are quite un-reliable ;)
@techlover4500
@techlover4500 5 лет назад
But still I like the sound they make and they are quite comfortable. *For your eardrums*
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 4 года назад
@@techlover4500 But it's gonna be actually annoying, just hearing a fucking high pitched noise From the engine
@canofbees3625
@canofbees3625 4 года назад
3:23 classic a320 take off sound.
@adridell
@adridell 3 года назад
Obviously if you ask someone that likes flying quietly he is gonna say pw1100, but aviation enthusiasts will probably decide between CFM and IAE, in my case IAE, it's definitly the best specially when going to full toga in increments and then the throttle goes to climb from toga, those changes in rpm on the IAE are just amazing and nothing compares to it, except well the IAE on the airbus A319, those are excellent too. I really like hearing that loud engine on take off, and I don't mind if it's a bit louder on cruise level, I got plenty of noise cancelling headphones and earphones to use when I go on holidays, not that expensive to have these days anyway and the engines generally are not what is louder on cruise level, it's just wind noise and cabin noise mostly.
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 2 года назад
the version for 321 (v2533-a5) is just much op
@flyguy905
@flyguy905 5 лет назад
CFM 56 all the way
@ThingsWithEngines
@ThingsWithEngines 5 лет назад
IAE _and_ CFM for me!
@richygambs321
@richygambs321 4 года назад
Definitely CFM 56 is my fav, especially on the A340!!!
@ipetross
@ipetross 4 года назад
07:01 The NEO-BUZZ!
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 3 года назад
My favorite of all A320 engines is the CFM leap 1A.
@kirkykyle2144
@kirkykyle2144 3 года назад
LEAP-1A and IAE V2500 are my favs im not that fan of the CFM 56 but I kinda like it and I don't like the PW1100G, it barely makes any sound
@goklerintitanigi3058
@goklerintitanigi3058 3 года назад
0:23 Damn that was a late rotation, almost 40 seconds of running on the RWY...
@cristianoronaldog.o.a.t4590
@cristianoronaldog.o.a.t4590 5 лет назад
While taking off the pw1100g I could go to sleep, wake up, make coffee and its still climbing
@akesky5415
@akesky5415 11 месяцев назад
Roar IAE V2500 Smooth cfm56 Peaceful PW 1100g
@estsailor9925
@estsailor9925 3 года назад
IAE V2500 is best sounding of them all so I have to go for it
@jhyrumgrant
@jhyrumgrant 3 года назад
I wish all engine were that quite. Wow
@matheo9246
@matheo9246 4 года назад
Yay the V2500 is at full throttle on T/O
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 4 года назад
Ga
@calvinrovinescu6166
@calvinrovinescu6166 5 лет назад
CFM! What you gotta do is get a clip of the LEAP-1A and the original -5A a CFM the oldest A320s has and add it t this for the ultimate comparison
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Then I'll need a ride on a Delta A320 and a Frontier A320neo!
@PNWElevatorAviation
@PNWElevatorAviation 3 года назад
Sounds like a Boeing 757 for the first Plane with am AWESOME D Flat Pitched Motor, the second with an AWESOME F & E Pitched Motor!!
@user-cy6hz8kg3f
@user-cy6hz8kg3f 4 года назад
My house is 150 meters away from the runway of shuofan International Airport in southern Jiangsu, China. I love the voice of Airbus electric clipper. I don't think it's noise. I enjoy it very much.
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 4 года назад
That is the buzzsaw noise
@user-iu4we4tp5p
@user-iu4we4tp5p 5 лет назад
Nice video! I prefer IAE V2500 because roar more ... and looks more powerful and reliable from the others two.
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Yeah my personal favorite is the IAE V2500 because of the awesome sound.
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 4 года назад
@@VoraciousAvgeek and especially when it's throttling down to CLB thrust
@estsailor9925
@estsailor9925 3 года назад
I prefer IAE for the sound too but it’s actually least powerful of em all
@NovaAviation
@NovaAviation 6 лет назад
Great video! I prefer IAE V2500 over all.
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 6 лет назад
Agreed, anything that's Rolls Royce or related to it is the best!!!
@amandeepsingh-kj3vj
@amandeepsingh-kj3vj Год назад
these iae engine's are my favourite because they're powerful, relaxing and fun to listen to.
@tvflight7858
@tvflight7858 4 года назад
I don't even need to watch the video to know I'll go for the IAEs!
@rainbowrailroadcrossing7798
@rainbowrailroadcrossing7798 3 года назад
I agree
@aviation42069
@aviation42069 4 года назад
For a second I thought I there was a Ryanair logo on the a 320 neo's wing
@samuelrblx2605
@samuelrblx2605 3 года назад
Lol
@caliber8
@caliber8 4 года назад
If i Rode on a Delta A321-231 Non Neo/CEO Maybe 2012 model , which engine was I riding with ?????...... i wasnt a Good plane spotter at the time and still cant tell
@757Superfan
@757Superfan 3 года назад
0:29 Is it just me or does this sound like the RB211s??
@abdullaharif6455
@abdullaharif6455 3 года назад
More like PW2000s. The V2500 does sound similar to the RB211-535E4.
@757Superfan
@757Superfan 3 года назад
@@abdullaharif6455 no i think it sounds like the rb211s
@JishyFishy4106
@JishyFishy4106 4 года назад
Both CFM-56 and V-2500 Sound the Same. I Love Both of Them !! Both sound Exactly Similar 2 the GE TF-39 Engines !!
@guntrain212
@guntrain212 3 года назад
Wow, that PW1100G is QUIET! I love noise for entertainment, but the flight I'd rather be on for a few hours, is with the Pratt & Whitney engine.
@WildWildWeasel
@WildWildWeasel Год назад
V2500 any day of the week, though CFM56 is right up there with it.
@bunasadam9755
@bunasadam9755 3 года назад
6:58 pw is like a Trent 1000
@crazyamericangamer7036
@crazyamericangamer7036 5 лет назад
I think the buzz noise is gonna start fading away in the next 10 years.....
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Yep engine makers and passengers hate engine buzz so they’re trying everything to get rid of it
@crazyamericangamer7036
@crazyamericangamer7036 5 лет назад
@@VoraciousAvgeek i love planes im a plane enthusiastic i like the old smokey planes with loud noise but the quiet ones are cool too
@crazyamericangamer7036
@crazyamericangamer7036 5 лет назад
@@VoraciousAvgeek something you can make quiet as a leaf blower and fly 40,000 feet in the air at 500 mph
@PVZBlover
@PVZBlover Год назад
I Picked Two The IAE V2500 And The CFM56
@bunasadam9755
@bunasadam9755 3 года назад
0:20 cfm is my fave because the engine is louder if you boarding the aircraft
@olik3745
@olik3745 5 лет назад
What's the airline that operates the CFM56 powered A320?
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Rossiya Airlines
@olik3745
@olik3745 5 лет назад
Thank You
@meayerrdnr5649
@meayerrdnr5649 5 лет назад
As a cabin crew I prever PW1100G is more Quite for my life 👍. Its give me less noice and healty ears for daily work in my entire life.
@buryi_smak
@buryi_smak 4 года назад
Aeroflot with CFM, Air Astana V2500 (ALA), PW1100G-JM (TSE)?
@Oli-zm2rn
@Oli-zm2rn 4 года назад
Omg the IAE are the bests... the Sound is just incredible
@angandy74
@angandy74 4 года назад
GTF...anytime. Those staying in urban areas will be fans of this GTF
@sebastianmaier1378
@sebastianmaier1378 3 года назад
IAE v2500 is my favorite
@EdwardWNg
@EdwardWNg 5 лет назад
IAE V2500 YESSS
@le_Nick
@le_Nick 3 года назад
Iae is my favorite engine sound
@belfastmafia
@belfastmafia 2 года назад
IAE V2500 sounds great when spooling but the high pitch in flight i find irritating. the PW1100G isnt really a fair comparison due to no standing spool, music and chattering child. though seems relatively quiet in flight which is a big plus.
@m3redgt
@m3redgt 3 года назад
If there's anything i don't want to hear on a plane .. it's the supersad OST from Schindlers List...
@FanofFans47
@FanofFans47 5 лет назад
You forgot CFM LEAP
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Never been on a LEAP powered plane
@EliseuZueiroBR
@EliseuZueiroBR 4 года назад
IAEV2500 looks like rolls royce because roar
@screenpatch4146
@screenpatch4146 4 года назад
The PW1100G is very quiet good for sleeping comfortably in the airplane
@trey_rdee
@trey_rdee 3 года назад
7:00 pw1100g roar sounds like a mini Trent xwb
@abdullaharif6455
@abdullaharif6455 3 года назад
More like a mini Trent 1000/7000.
@trey_rdee
@trey_rdee 3 года назад
@@abdullaharif6455 Ys
@aachromelivery9554
@aachromelivery9554 3 года назад
Or a Genx
@abdullaharif6455
@abdullaharif6455 3 года назад
@@aachromelivery9554 Not really. It sounds just like a higher pitched Trent 1000.
@sreenivasulugosetty7278
@sreenivasulugosetty7278 6 месяцев назад
No buzzsaw noise heard from pw1100
@133289ify
@133289ify 4 года назад
REEEEE vs. ROROROTOTO vs. HSHOoooshhhh
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 4 года назад
ROROROTOTO is my favorite
@FMichael1970
@FMichael1970 4 года назад
Would have to say the P&W for how quiet it is when compared to the other 2.
@drifteradol86z
@drifteradol86z 5 лет назад
For this battle, you forgot an engine in the NEO series and that's the CFM 1A LEAP, and I'll stick with the P&W and the IAE in the A320.
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
I know that already. I've never been on a LEAP powered aircraft.
@Lodai974
@Lodai974 5 лет назад
the CFM leap is as boring as the PW1100G... no noise,no scream.... I take an A320 Neo(Leap) on Air Malta when the plane was 1 mouth old. This silence is due to the presence of a reducer between the first fan and the second fan that makes the first fan, runs slower and therefore no longer screams. But against this reducer is a piece of wear, it requires a lot of monitoring and maintenance, to avoid what happened to the Air france A380 ,2 year ago
@richygambs321
@richygambs321 4 года назад
The Leap makes a horrible sickening high pitched noise the moment the wheels leave the ground. I hate it. Simply replaced one noise with another. However it has a nice spool up. Overall two boring engines. CFM Ceo my fav.
@kerucutgaming2216
@kerucutgaming2216 3 года назад
The reduction gear's main purpose is to increase fan efficiency. Lower noise is just an additional benefit.
@fly2cgnaviation83
@fly2cgnaviation83 3 года назад
I also think, the NEO engines a sound pretty dull and I miss the epic roar. But you have to think of the people close to the airport and the environment. We'll have to get on with the NEO engines as well, even though, they'll never be my favourite.
@Γεώργιος1987
@Γεώργιος1987 2 года назад
PW1100G!
@jonaskoch2314
@jonaskoch2314 Год назад
Hard choice, either the pw or iae. The iae's are just a tad more loud, so they probably win in my opinion
@americanneopilot
@americanneopilot 3 года назад
wow bumpy runway on v2500 at 3:19. What airport?
@dimitriskaligeris5506
@dimitriskaligeris5506 4 года назад
Yes, what is this comparison?? A cfm of 70's versus an iae2500 of late 80's with a green quiet engine of 2017??
@AndreAviation306
@AndreAviation306 5 лет назад
CFM all the way
@Amtrak458
@Amtrak458 4 года назад
The PW1100G shouldn't even count. IAE V2500 all the way.
@liamemmanuelquiambao9316
@liamemmanuelquiambao9316 Год назад
my favorite is iae v2500 a320
@matperdu94
@matperdu94 5 лет назад
Mi favorite is the iaev2500
@drewski1535
@drewski1535 2 года назад
CFM56 for me all the way
@1stockC43
@1stockC43 3 года назад
IAE definitely best found omg I love when it sucks in
@LoganAviation
@LoganAviation 5 лет назад
PW1100G: I am the best because I sound like the GE-90’s! CFM56: I have the most beautiful sounding TOGA Takeoff! IAE V2500: Hold My throttle.
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Actually CFM LEAP sounds more like a GE90
@LoganAviation
@LoganAviation 5 лет назад
Fixed
@LoganAviation
@LoganAviation 5 лет назад
I am also uploading a TOGA Takeoff from Chicago soon!
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
@@LoganAviation Cool I'll check it out. And I'm uploading an MD-88 trip report soon.
@LoganAviation
@LoganAviation 5 лет назад
FlightFilms I will check it out! And I also have 3-6 new full flight reviews to edit.
@aviator78
@aviator78 4 года назад
CFM FOREVER!!!
@taxiviaalfa
@taxiviaalfa 3 года назад
IAE V2500 is clearly the better sound
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 2 года назад
know right mate
@coydog7902
@coydog7902 4 года назад
Someone should make these engines into Utauloids
@xxforeverproxx4088
@xxforeverproxx4088 5 лет назад
IAE V2500 Is the best I think
@Seravee1
@Seravee1 5 лет назад
CFM56 is mine
@davegelito8388
@davegelito8388 5 лет назад
I see another Initial D weeb and avgeek.Sorry if offtopic.
@JJE144
@JJE144 3 года назад
It looks like is a 737 airplane but is awesome 3:15
@tetenauten
@tetenauten 4 года назад
The first is an IAE V2500 engine the second is an CFM56 engine!, i am really know their sounds.
@lucasbuzzi3092
@lucasbuzzi3092 4 года назад
Totally wrong
@lukebocian6366
@lukebocian6366 4 года назад
how much flights did you take to get on the planes you wanted?
@Roddy_Zeh
@Roddy_Zeh 5 лет назад
IAE V2500 for me.
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
Fair enough, thank you for sharing your opinion
@daggu_0077
@daggu_0077 3 года назад
Iae v2500 engine's cool roar engines are small really cute and thrust reverse thingy's
@coydog7902
@coydog7902 4 года назад
Haha airblades go brrrr
@AndreAviation306
@AndreAviation306 5 лет назад
The IAE V2500s are super loud !
@VoraciousAvgeek
@VoraciousAvgeek 5 лет назад
IAEs have way less jet blast. Only roar is loud
@aleksandarlenhart2078
@aleksandarlenhart2078 4 года назад
Luv that
@Mophy2510
@Mophy2510 4 года назад
Pw1100 best because sound is smail
@aluulongg2088
@aluulongg2088 5 лет назад
I like CFM and IAE more
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