These are the results of my sample, unfiltered and unaltered. IS claims this is a defect and should have been sealed, and will ensure units will be properly sealed. Please subscribe if you appreciated this video. More to come.
I'd like to see you completely take this thing apart and show how it's built.. Flush all the water out, clean the lens and try a DIY reseal for everything. That would make for a great video and show what's inside these things and where all the leak problem areas are from the inside.
@4MRRanch I wrote a write-up on Reddit (RenegadeNC) about the Somogear NGAL teardown and how I did a DIY waterproofing job on it. I'd be interested to see how the IS unit compares internally. The only thing I didn't seal on my somogear was the front glass as I didn't want to attempt it without a replacement. But I managed to do the following: *Covered the main and the rear illuminator boards with potting compound and liquid electric tape *Sealed the selector with epoxy as I reinstalled it both under and on top of the switch *Removed the top fire button circuit and wires entirely (Major design flaw, the fire button rubber isn't sealed and is the only thing between water pouring directly on top of the main PCB) *Sealed the fire button cut out with epoxy and liquid electric tape followed by a bead of epoxy around the fire button rubber *Sealed the front assembly and rear assembly to the main body with RTV *Finally, I added Loctite to all screws and backfilled the allens with epoxy to prevent rust.
@@CorruptedGamer2015great work! Thank you for the write up. Why do they advertise these as “potted” when they’re clearly not? Is gluing the screws in place considered “potting” ?
The procedure for protecting the electronics from moisture AND vibration is "potting" with electronics epoxy. There are many reviews on youtube how to take units apart, what to coat, and not to coat. If you don't need > ip68, to Navy Seal at 66ft, you can use a syringe to inject silicone gel/lube in all screw holes, into dead space in the housing, but I would avoid the lasers and lenses, and try to seal the housing and interior panels around them. Nonconductive putty used in water/insect proofing electrical boxes in construction would be excellent. 1. Pot all electronics and wires to prevent vibration/recoil shorts and wear and broken circuits/solder joints. 2. Use nonconducive electricians putty to fill voids and bulkheads and where wires pass through bulkheads and where wires are soldered/around lasers, in case you have to desolder/fix a part in the future. 3. Use silicone sealant on all batteries, movable switches, gaskets and rubber seals/screw holes (NOT Epoxy). (I do silicone this to all my flashlights/electronics AND coat the batteries and springs/contacts/voids ... I guarantee you that you will NOT have battery acid damage WHEN any battery leaks). I believe the unit would survive 30 min immersion up to three feet, = ip67, if this procedure was followed. Yes, I'm an engineer. If I have time, I may buy one and post a video, if anyone in interested.🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤ to all!
@@4MRRanch Give the community time. Channels that provide solid info and no show (read: the ones that really matter) like C_DOES, Delta36, Forgotten Weapons etc didn't get huge overnight. But eventually... "Have we started the fire?"
I just subbed! Hey sell me one of your units!!! So I don’t have to wait 6-8 weeks…. I can’t ever wait. I’m not a patient person! I have been waiting 5-6 weeks for 2 suppressors currently, it drives me crazy!! Damn NFA/ATF
@@aesthetic8780not trolling… the SpecPrecision website has them for $480 and to my location in Salt Lake City at that time was about 6 weeks… right now I just looked and it’s less than 4 weeks delivered to my house. I just placed the order 🎉 I paid $475 with the $5 off promo code
back when you did your first video on the Somogear I asked if you be able to water test it and you pointed out that you had to buy these your self so no, totally fair. But ig something changed, any chance of seeing this test with a somo?
San Antonio here. Much appreciate these videos. have been thinking of a budget alternative as I was looking at the holosun iris but that could be another year before there's any news on that. As some one who's just getting into NV this seems like a reasonable option
San Antonio bros unite! Lol This is the best option for $500 or less (GL4 really competing though and saving you $200). The downfall of invisiblesight is the lead time.
@@4MRRanchexactly.i hv bought one from eg, there are two major problems. First, the wire of the pressure switch is inverted. No matter I use L3 or eg pressure switch, the override mode is on the rectangle button which is inverted with the real one. And I also hv the L3 single button pressure switch too, it become override all the time. Second, the vis, ir laser output port is inverted too. My unit is ir on the lower port which is inverted with the L3 and urs. I got two more frds hv the same problem. The other function is fine, hope the factory will correct it.
For a $500 unit this thing performs extremely well. Now I wanna know how well that $1000 unit they sell is. I think im gonna pick one up next time they are back in stock
IRT the heat test. I'd say your 172 is pretty spot on. They say the average temp in a closed vehicle is around 160-180 during the summer, so your 172 simulates using it after pulling it out of the vehicle after it has been in there all day. Keep up the thorough work man, greatly appreciated.
I am curious as to two things. First being; is there any reason you did not get the Invisible Sight made and assembled NGAL instead of the IS-EG model that you went with? Second; how does that more expensive, and likely more QC'd model handle these same tests?
I bought the Somogear peq15 for shits and giggles.. i mean, it works... It would break in a heartbeat if dropped wrong tho. It feels really wrong putting it on an MCX SPEAR though.. Very cool video bro. Well worth my time.
Again, such an impressive device. Is there somewhere we can find a video detailing this epoxy safeguarding procedure? With the massive qty of these devices sold im fairly certain there would be a substantial amount of owners interested in viewing this procedure (including myself of course 😆)
From what I understand, they drop a couple drops down each safety screw hole, then use the screw to seat the epoxy into the hole (remove the screw so you don’t lock it in)
I think the new move for the LAM market is for companies to start selling the parts individually and/or as a kit and provide a STL file (3d model) of the housing then for people to 3d print their housing with a resin 3d printer. 3d printing has a large learning curve however the hardest part is learning 3d design (CAD software, I think you said you’re a engineer so I’m sure you’re familiar) you can buy a resin printer that would be plenty good enough for that job for less than $300 and the resin technically could be as low as $30 but even for the strongest stuff would be less than $100. You could also just pay someone to CNC mill it or to use a DMLS 3d printer to print it out of metal (those machines are in the tens of thousands) and then you could assemble it yourself that way it would be a loophole since laser diodes themselves are not restricted and you can 100w (not MW) IR lasers for metal engraving online. I get the whole technology is different I’m just using as an example but anyway I think that route or a variation of it is the best for the LAM market
unfortunately the biggest problem with these chinese knockoffs is consistency. I just cant trust that the one I buy will perform as well as this one. I like invisible sight and think this EG option is definitely a cut above the other chinese knockoffs. might pull the trigger and hope for the best because sure as hell am not going to drop 3k on a MAWL and am tired of waiting for the iris.
What’s the difference between MK4 and ISEG, why is MK4 double the price of ISEG. Lot of respect for your work brother, and thank you from the bottom of my heart.
The mk4 is hand assembled by the owner, with much better QC. The ISEG is assembled by his teams, with only a spot check by the owner before shipping. If purchased through EG, instead of InvisbkeSight, then no checks lol
Do you feel with your opinion that invisible sight NGAL is a better choice over the somogear NGAL? Looking to get one but torn between which one I should go with your opinion would really help since you have hands on experience with both thanks my man! Keep the dope videos coming
This is a really tough question, if lead times were the same the InvisbkeSight has better illuminator divergence/convergence ranges and working diffusers. BUT they don’t have the best lead times, so it makes the somo a tough choice given no lead time. I think both make great night time plinking toys.
@@4MRRanch very valid points, overall I don’t mind the wait since I’m saving for dual tubes, do you have a source I can look at to find the actual website to make sure I’m in the right area thanks man
Thanks man, I hope so too. I don’t see anyone being as thorough as me with these reviews. Hoping it helps me grow so I can do bigger and better videos to come.
This is an IS-EG from invisbkesight themself. This particular unit was not properly sealed by the techs assembling this. As a result of this video, the owner will be making sure the techs seal per his guidance. The MK4 should be sealed because the owner hand assembled as MK4s personally
Seems like a good solution for waterproofing would be countersinking set screws into the holes and capping with with epoxy. Could still be undone by scraping the epoxy out although it would be annoying, and still allows you to move through all the options.
I'm in SATX and can concur, the dirt is like concrete here when dry. The amount of water intake is concerning though, ngl. Hoping to receive my IS/EG relatively soon; ordered mid March of this year.
I just subbed! Hey sell me one of your units!!! So I don’t have to wait 6-8 weeks…. I can’t ever wait for things. I’m not a patient person haha! I have been waiting 5-6 weeks for 2 suppressors currently, it drives me crazy!! Damn ATF/NFA
The drop test is not the great solution, because you have an rail which also moves during the impact. Crane (NAVSEA, armory of SOF unit) fix the laser on the upper for the drop test.
I purchased IS-EG ngal and am waiting for delivery. However, I am worried whether I should cancel my order after watching this video. Do you think this is worth $480? Should I wait for delivery or cancel?
The water test definitely plummeted any interest I had in this. I’d rather have a reliable, rugged, yet mediocre LAM (LS321) than an impressive one that can’t withstand drops and rain. Looks like I’ll continue to hold out for the IRIS
I feel this kinda did pass the drop after seeing it just got knocked out of position and it wasn’t the diodes breaking free inside. A real peq 15 would have possibly cracked from this. Water is a valid concern.
Excellent tests! Great work! A little epoxy goes a loooong way here. A duct tape rain shield ain't the end of the worl d either. But paying $4k is the end of the world for me. Good work. Already waiting on mine.
tbh for ballin on a budget, this is what I would genuinely consider worthy like like home defense for a laser system. Anything more such for combat I wouldnt rely on it too much
I think it’s a phenomenal range toy that suits about 90% of peoples needs. For life or death, I’d rather have this than nothing, but it wouldn’t be my first choice if I had options
Bro no way I would destroy my shit for someone to see what happens tell them to fucking buy it your going to keep your shit good long as ya can in my opinion but awesome channel but I’d watch even if you didn’t destroy it.
my somo had a similar failure in the rain, im sure the water got in through the top from under the fire button however the front laser lens fell off from within and was rattling around. I have basically disassembled somo ngal now and the springs used are quite impressive.
Personally I don’t want to rely on shims, it’s just another piece that can come loose on you. I don’t think the unit moving during a hard drop is unreasonable. This would happen with the real deal too; what mattered is the diodes didn’t move on me within the unit
maybe mount the laser to the receiver for a drop test instead to isolate the handguard, then it doesnt matter what handguard you put it on you are just testing the laser
For serious use yes; but I’d hope people who need this for more than a range toy wouldn’t be going this route. That said, I’d still take this over nothing.
Is this one crane or LA23? He sent me LA23s for testing. I'm a bit concerned about immersion and internal sealing of the crane port. Crane definitely has more potential for water entry. I'll be sending him some suggestions along with my feedback after dumping a case of ammo through both units. How tight are your turrets, mine are kind of squishy while adjusting, but seem to be holding zero and not moving unassisted.
LA23. Some play in between adjustments, but not a whole lot. I go over this in more detail on my actual dedicated review. My intention in this video wasn’t to reiterate the performance I already covered other than in these test conditions. For $500 units, people shouldn’t expect $5k performance
@@4MRRanch I'm fairly impressed so far. Immersion testing worries me a bit. Going to seal my screw holes, give it a bit to set and go shooting this afternoon.
Do you have any recommendations on running a Ir lam on a Remington 870 (Ik why would you do that right) but I’m thinking about getting a 870 as my first gun and I’ve been working on a night vision project for a very long time and wanna get into night time shooting for a long time. My only idea so far is designing a dual picatinny mount that are side by side and mounting it to a m lok pump. I was thinking about buying a holosun LE117ir and a surefire vamp clone for it when I do get into that.
I don’t suggest anything that’s unsuppressed for night shooting. Especially if you don’t have a place to shoot far away from neighbors, you’re going to annoy a lot of people. You’ll also produce a decent amount of flash and not be very stealthy visually, sound aside. I also don’t recommend a clone light on a 12 gauge. That said, the LE117 and surefire vampire combo is a good one. It’s probably worth the extra cost for the 221 series (I’d rather have an LS221 series than an LE117 if budget becomes a challenge ). Zeroing at night with an IR laser won’t be as accurate of a zero as you can do during the day.
@@4MRRanch thanks for responding, I was struggling to find anyone with info with night shooting with shotguns besides one person on RU-vid. I honestly thought suppressing shotguns was useless but if I’m making this a night gun then fuck it we ball on a suppressor😁🤣
Wait when you find out how the real L3 units shift like a mf and a single bump will throw it completely off🤣🤣 but god forbid this pro consumer product takes 3 huge hits and only slightly shifts…
Reading comprehension can be hard. I stated that they claim that, not that I did. Also asked an individual testing this stuff what his experience is.. I don’t claim anything other than trying to learn.
There is two versions.The IS-EG NGAL starts at 480. The NGAL MK4 starts at 960. IS-EG is essentially the budget version, and the MK4 is the upgraded on to put it simple. Invisiblesights website has all the info between the two.
Thanks again for perfect video about NGAL unit. If only those delivery times from InvisibleSight were not so long... I'm still battling between order from EG because of normal delivery time vs IS but who know when it comes..
@@4MRRanch we have already solved the stock problem, and solved the over ride and vis/IR laser oppsite problem. since 3 months ago, we already have large stock, the stock problem is only showed up by last year, due to we have to improve the NGAL performance, we have made 6 times improvements on the NGAL.
@@leoliu490 Hi Leo, are you speaking for EG company or for InvisibleSight? Do I understand correctly that NGAL from IS directly and EG Deluxe versiosn are the same now?
@@johnym9051 people ordered since last year keep saying the NGAL is not in stock, in fact, about 3 months ago, we already have large stock of NGAL, IS-EG NGAL is only 1 version, nothing different as to the performance. and we made lots of improvements on NGAL, everymonth, NGAL quality is upgrading. we don't sitting duck,but keep upgrading the NGAL.
Wait when you find out how the real L3 units shift like a mf and a single bump will throw it completely off🤣🤣 but god forbid this pro consumer product takes 3 huge hits and only slightly shifts…
@@Phil-qp3hsany proof L3 etc work that well just bc they're on govt contracts? I can put up the signal and probably find 1K veterans who had a LAM f/u while in action. Maybe at a lower rate than the knock offs but they're still not invulnerable. Ask Ukraine.
@@4MRRanch yes. Original trials of geissele rails by SOCOM indicated that they had up to 43 MOA shift with a dropping of their mk16 rail. Kind of why you see a lot of people moving from the geissele rails to other brands like AFSOC to the DD RIS III. Also why you tend to see GBRS mounts used with urgi. They have been said to fix the issues sense ~20/21 but I haven’t seen real solid proof of it.
Excellent video! I wouldn't be terribly surprised if those shifts were due to the whole rail shifting, even though it is a good one. I'd be curious to see what happens if you mount it directly to the upper and then drop it on the unit.
>Geissele is known to have rock solid rails that made me chuckle, other than that, great video I thoroughly enjoyed it. Glad that theres people on youtube reviewing these things
@@4MRRanch You're probably fine. The only documented issues were with the MK16 rail and the whole reason why the whole "bendy bill" meme started was of how Bill handled the situation, which was to say, not great. Your rail is fine I wouldn't be sweating over it.
He's using the MK8 Rail, it's as solid as an mlok rail gets unless he uses an LMT or the DD RIS3. It hurts me to see me drop that Geissele, but it can take it. 💪
