In 2/25, ESPN can opt out of their TV agreement with the ACC. Without Clemson and FSU, the ACC no longer presents the value. Without a TV deal, the league falls apart.
Agreed. The Big 12 needs to balance out the eastern side of its conference with two more teams. Louisville and Pitt are ready-made rivals with Cincy and WVU.
Agreed…I know WVU would be happy to play their rival again and that would help the Big 12. Louisville also seems like a Big 12 school. I would avoid Miami since their program has not been the same since joining the ACC.
I wish Cal and Stanford just stuck with Oregon State and Wash state. Those 4, plus add Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and Colorado State. The new Pac 8 and call it a day!
Your missing something huge in Louisville… their revenue and viewership. Those would be above mid level in the Big 12 and actually assist their numbers. Also, does anyone care about academics anymore. I think the leagues are positioning to leave the current system anyway.
SEC: North Carolina NC State Clemson Duke B1G: Florida State Miami Virginia Virginia Tech Big 12: Georgia Tech Pitt Louisville Think after looking at who’s aligned with who this is roughly how I think it’ll end up. Virginia and NC schools allegedly have legislature that keeps them together should they move conferences. Big 10 & Big 12 officially move into SEC territory with additions in FL, GA, and VA.
ND does get a vote even though they are not a full member. They voted to add SMU etc. FSU needs a way out fast. ND is also not part of the GOR and can pay to leave. ND will make about 86 million total with ACC, NBC and CFP Independent money vs 70 to 65 million in the Big 10 or SEC.
Nc state is apart of the nc system with nc they just passed a ruling giving the nc system board of governance full power over any of the 14 nc system schools changing conferences nc state will be attached to nc v tech will be attached to Virginia
@@elvangulley3210 although there are legit hurdles to break up unc/ncsu, Virginia is going to the Big10 WITHOUT VT. The legislation about university systems in Virginia isn’t the same as North Carolina. I do feel push come to shove, UNC would bail without NCSU but it would be tough to separate them. Not the same case in Virginia
@@Rodkicks88Virginia's University system has already stated UVA couldn't join the BIG and leave VT behind in an illegitimate conference. It's either UVA goes to the BIG and VT to the SEC or both are staying put
@@nigelnorman5379 VT would be at the top of the Big12’s list along with Pitt and Lville. And why is the ACC all of a sudden an “illegitimate conference”? There are options that won’t stop UVA from joining the B1G or SEC without VT. The legislation in Virginia isn’t what’s in North Carolina where there is clear distinction that states UNC and NC State must be in the SAME conference( pending any legal action). The nose in Virginia is more about donors, officials and fans not wanting UVA to leave VT behind. But there are no legal restrictions to not do so.
Going to 16 was what led to the end of the original Big East. For football, I think you very well could see the bifurcation the sport, with the Big 4 going on their own and the rest of the D1 conferences combining (both FBS and FCS) into a larger division.
Yes, they signed the original agreement but the ACC amended the agreement multiple times and it sounds like the option for CNN to opt out was not presented or signed off by the schools. Did FSU sign off on all the amendments?
ACC WILL SURVIVE ...by MERGER with...The Notre Dame Football Conference.....which has its own media rights contract with NBC. That doesn't cost E$PiN any more money but gets E$PiN more Notre Dame away games at ACC venues. The ACC...aka...Carolina Basketball Conference already "merged" with the Big East Basketball conference. THAT is the problem they are in now!! Their "FOOTBALL Schools" are bringing in the $$$ that the Basketball Schools are reaping the benefit of!! So, the FOOTBALL Schools want to get paid what they are worth....instead of sharing it with the non-earners. Kind of like how tax-payers hate welfare leeches!
Yeah but we all know what happened the last time football and non-football schools came together. It was hell. At that point just join The American@@scotttild
If you're trying to make a case where 8 ACC schools would go, you could make a case for four to go to each conference, honestly. Duke, GA Tech, NC State, and Virginia Tech are all bubble schools. Re: FSU, I think the betting odds are on FSU to the B1G. I would personally prefer the SEC and the SEC fits a lot of boxes for FSU, BUT there's a LOT of bad blood between FSU and the SEC and FSU and ESPN. If Clemson and FSU are such a great fit for the SEC and the ACC/ESPN know that both schools are virtually gone from the ACC, why is ESPN not aiding their exit right now?
Disagree. I think Tech is a first pick for B10 after they pull Clemson or FSU for a splash. They might actually come first. New pickup in Atlanta market. Extremely rich athletic history. Academics fit.
@@C-gt42069 is that you Immaculate? No, but seriously... Georgia Tech isn't on anyone's radar. Making the argument that Georgia Tech could give you the Atlanta market is like arguing that Boston College gave the ACC the Boston market. In all reality, no one in Boston cares about Boston College and that's why they were likely one of the worst additions to any conference, ever. The B10 adding Georgia Tech for the "Atlanta market" would be like them adding FIU for the "Miami market." Georgia Tech definitely has the academics and the AAU status, but their history from over 50 years ago means nothing. They're a terrible brand TODAY and they don't invest in athletics. UGA owns Georgia.
@@trclark7689 the 50 year ago comment is out of hand. They played in 3 acc championships and finished top 10 multiple times in the last 10 years. Secondly the market- not tech fans itself making the market attractive, but think about the amount of B10 fans and transplants in atlanta who will watch games at home, and go to Bobby Dodd.
Syracuse to the B12 makes some sense... Add Pitt and BC you have travel partners for West Va and Cuse has a large alumni base in New York City as well as BC and Pitt adding two more major TV markets.
FSU to the big10 actually has some momentum i think its FSU and ND to the Big10… SEC grabs Clemson and VT/UNC off RIP….if no FSU big10 might as well sub in UNC
I know there is a lot of rumors about UNC going to the SEC but they are a founding AAU member because they take their academics seriously. Therefore they fit well in the B1G with the other ivory tower snooty elites. Plus UNC must get authorization from the NC Board of Governors to do anything. Since the NC BOG doesn't want NC St being left behind I could see them allowing UNC going to the B1G and NC St going to the SEC. Then they can continue playing each other in a yearly non-con game to keep their rivalry alive. That's the only realistic scenario I could see the NC BOG allowing because there is no way NC St is getting accepted into the B1G because they don't have the academics for it.
Iirc FSU tried to join the SEC several decades ago, but Florida blocked it and are not interested in that. As a UK fan personally the only 2 teams I want to add are Duke and UNC for basketball and they do fit the SEC from a geographic standpoint. However i remember seeing how the North Carolina board of education was going to withhold funding if UNC leaves without going to the same conference as NC State because they’re both public. I’d have to look for that article again.
Splitting the triangle will not go down well in NC at all....unc, duke and nc state...trips to rupp in basketball...or Alabama in football don't begin to make up for that loss
You don't think that Miami joining the Big 12 is a pay bump over a raided ACC!? Especially with the Big 12 in position to negotiate a new deal in 2029 or 2030? And why would FSU join the SEC while fighting ESPN in court?
At the end of the day, ESPN, FOX, SEC and B1G will need to come to an agreement in order to avoid anti trust scrutiny of any realignment. ESPN holds the trump card since they can unilaterally trigger the GoR extension by Feb. 2025. They will be more willing to not extend if FSU and Clemson join the SEC since they also own those TV rights. Doesn't make sense for them to let the revenue from those brand go elsewhere. In exchange, Fox and B1G will get the team, market and recruiting footprint they covet; Miami.
@@7empest376I can see your point of view. But you aren’t going to be invited to the SEC. You turned down the opportunity in 1992 when Coach Bowden said “it’s easier to win national championships in the ACC.” Ironic based on how the last football season played out for you. No offense but FSU doesn’t add anything from a revenue standpoint for the SEC. It only dilutes the existing TV contract payout. I’m not insulting FSU by saying that. It’s just geography and Florida already a member of the SEC.
@@stevegoins6426 They will if ESPN still wants FSU... If not Fox will get it because B1G wants to be in the south. SEC knows B1G wants to go south. Now do you think SEC and ESPN wants the B1G with FOX in it's backyard?
@@7empest376 FSU would jump to SEC in a heart beat the problem is if your an SEC school why do you want FSU (or any ACC school). Any ACC addition does not increase my payout. If ESPN /Fox says "we will pay more" then the SEC will listen but I don't see that happening. If the SEC takes any ACC schools it would be at a big discount ie; SMU to the ACC for free.
You missed a few things. UNC and NC state are tied together. By law. There is only tv money guaranteed till 2027 for the ACC so the loss of revenue is not realized for the buy out. The XII gets to renegotiate at least 5 years before the ACC so it’s a better option. The ACC forces that deal on all the teams with a threat of major financial penalties if they did not agree. And the ACC misrepresented the deal so they broke their fiduciary responsibility. Also Lou and Pitt are perfect for the XII
Duke doesn't leave unless the ACC dissolves. We've very little to gain from these football shenanigans and so much to lose. Our football program is not very good and hasn't been for 90 years. Basketball is what we've got and many surrounding the university still care about the tradition of the ACC and will fight to keep us in it. I'm guessing we'll be a top team of a smaller ACC and that's OK. There's no need for us to chase the money.
There was a leak about an unofficial group without any power to make changes (boosters etc) to individually discuss options. They never met as a group to specifically talk about the action of busting the GoR
FSU didn’t get paid to sign away their rights until 2036, if they did, you may have an argument for signing away their rights. Rather, there are shady dealings and sleight of hand amendments that have gone on. ESPN has clauses that give the network options. There is no guarantee that ESPN will exercise their option to continue on with the ACC. The grant of rights (GOR) contract has not been seen by many, which may be in violation of Florida’s sunshine law for a state entity to be involved with a secret contract. So many issues and back room dealings with the ACC, these matters need to be adjudicated or the ACC could let Clemson & FSU out. I like FSU & potentially GT for the B1G.
FSU/Clemson to the B1G NC/NCST/VA/VATECH to the SEC Miami/GT/Duke/Louisville/Pitt/Cal/Wash St/Ore St to the Big XII Stanford goes Indy like ND BC/WF/Syracuse/SMU dissolve into the G5
NEW 24 TEAM BIG XII NW POD Wash St Oregon St Cal Colorado SW POD Utah BYU Arizona Arizona St CENTRAL POD Iowa St Kansas Kansas St Oklahoma St SOUTH POD Baylor Houston TCU Texas Tech NE POD West Virginia Louisville Cincinnati Pittsburgh SE POD UCF Miami GT Duke Play own pod each year plus one team from each other pod on a 4 year rotation.
@@Rodkicks88 I have VT in the SEC. They want VA and NC. Because of the legislation there it is believed they will all be a package deal. I don’t necessarily see Clemson as a B1G school but right now it’s looking like they will be FSUs partner and are the 2nd biggest brand. If Fox wants them then they will take them
would be rough being BC, WF right now. You're basically just along for the ride and have to hope the conference stays together, can piece together some good additions, and/or merges with the big east, etc.
REASONS: #1. The BIG wants Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia because of "LOCATION"..."LOCATION"..."LOCATION", (Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Richmond etc...), that plus their academics and AAU status!!! #2. High School Football Recruiting!!! #3. Georgia Tech OFFERS more to the BIG then Rutgers did then and/or does now... At least Georgia Tech has a Winning History!!! "NEWS FLASH"... PLUS, they'll get/take Cal and Stanford "CHEAP" after the collapse of the ACC... For the SAME Damn Reasons!!! Now their footprint is Coast-to-Coast, and they will have MOST of the Major TV Markets, PLUS, and this is The BIG Reason, they are "NOW", in "The HEART of DIXIE"!!! That's their plan to create one of two 24-Team Semi-Pro Super Conferences and EXIT the NCAA! The SEC counters by taking Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech with the latter two teams helping to encroach into BIG Territory!!! To get to a 24-Team Super Conference, the SEC would need to add four more teams, and since MOST of the SEC are Land Grant Institutions, NONE of the Metro Schools left in the ACC fill the bill... So, "THERE'S ONLY ONE PLACE TO TURN", the Big-12, and to keep up with the BIG (Coast-to-Coast), they "POACH Arizona, Colorado, Kansas (to APPEASE Kentucky) and Utah! That's your two "SEMI-PRO, SUPER CONFERECNES", and at that point they "WILL BREAK AWAY" from the NCAA to create their own playoffs and championships in ALL SPORTS... After all, it's about "Making and KEEPING as much money as you possibly can, and to HELL with the rest of" College Athletics"!!!
Duke and UNC are not tied together. SEC nor Big 10 will want Duke. Carolina and Duke basketball will be playing at least 1 game a year. They are 8 miles apart so conference matters little to this rivalry. Duke will be in Big 12, which is basically a basketball conference. Notre Dame is No 1 prize to both conferences. No.2. is UNC. Then the dominoes will fall.
Why if it’s all about $ and FB, do schools like unc get taunted. Unc is not a fb school, has no fb fan base. Sec and Big10 $ are not about basketball, or Olympic sports. How many time do conversations start this way- yet unc gets tatted as coveted ???
FSU to the SEC makes sense in 1 way but it doesn't in that the SEC already has UF in the Florida state market & UGA right over the border. Not sure that UF/UGA want FSU in the SEC. Whereas the B1G wants a school like FSU to break into FL market & they are competitive with UF & Miami in the FL market vs something like a GT vs UGA.
A few comments: Clemson and FSU are BIG bound UNC and NC State (not Duke) are SEC bound VT/UVA are a package deal, VT actually applied for AAU membership last summer, so I’m guessing they’re both opting for the BIG. The SEC and BIG will both end up 24 teams. The SEC likely to pick up Okie State and Kansas as well as expanding into former ACC territory. GT is overlooked, yes, but they don’t make much sense. I do think they end up with Miami going to the BIG after the state of VA fails to change the law tying the schools and VT doesn’t get AAU membership, leading to UVA/VT to the SEC as well.
There are obviously a lot of changes coming, but why do you think Clemson is going to the Big Ten as opposed to the SEC. I live in Raleigh and most of the rumor mill has Carolina and NC State to the SEC.
The blocking of fsu by florida to joining the sec is a myth. Florida has actually sponsored fsu to join several times. Coach ray graves was very vocal about just that in '62, '63, and '68.
Yes, but if the ACC 'implodes', all contracts become null and void. The contracts are based on the amount of teams within the conference. When Stanford, Cal. and SMU joined. The 'contracts' we're modified by addendums. Now with the ACC tinkering on imploding, there is a possibility that Stanford, Cal., and SMU will be out of luck. - Seeing some scenarios to where if the ACC 'implodes', there is a possibility to which the remains of the ACC might be reformed with a new commissioner and a new TV Contract. But the question, how much value does Stanford, Cal., and SMU brings to a reformed ACC conference??? The three schools are just sweating bullets right now....
ACC may pull some of the best schools from smaller conferences in the geographical region such as Liberty, NMSU (C-USA), ECU, Temple, Tulane, Memphis (AAC), JMU, and Marshall (Sun Belt). Everyone would be looking to level up.
They wouldn't. Any teams not named Notre Dame would be at the mercy of Fox and if Fox isn't willing to add money, then they would search for another media partner, like Apple TV or something. Fox bumped up the deal less than a year ago to add Wa/Or, would they do it again so soon? Some fans are in for a reality check, cause outside ND, nobody is getting a full share in the middle of a media deal, Best case scenario is half shares till 2030, that's the ceiling, but definitely not the floor.
These conferences make 0 sense anymore Texas Oklahoma Missouri aren’t in the southeast Cal Stanford SMU aren’t anywhere near the Atlantic this has just become stupid AF
College football isn't really part of the NCAA. The NCAA should dissolve all conferences for non football sports and manage everything themselves. Then let ESPN, Dr. Pepper, Nike, All-State, and Capital One figure out football.
The SEC is the real problem. 5 teams that do not belong in the conference. Missouri, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Mississippi and Mississippi State. I will not be wasting my time watching them, period. With those teams gone from the SEC I would bring in Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia. Now up north to the Big Ten I would rid the conference of going nowhere schools like Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana and Northwestern. I would replace them with Notre Dame, Utah, Kansas State, West Virginia and TCU. The rest of the teams would make up 1 new conference, the poop conference. Competition is important.
Ole miss Isn’t leaving the SEC Period. Only way that box comes to the table is if Miss State leaves. I do see the possibility of Vanderbilt leaving and joining a group of five, or possibly going independent, or even form a southern Ivy League alliance with the other major Private Schools in the South. Mizzou and Kentucky are both interesting cases: Kentucky is an original member of the SEC, but they’re closer to most of the Big 10 East compared to about half of the SEC West schools, and it’s about equidistant to the Big 10 East schools to some of the SEC East Schools (namely Florida and South Carolina. Georgia is about equidistant to most of the Big 10 East schools, (Indiana the lone exception) Mizzou moving in 2012 (along with Texas A&M) made them feel alienated since it is a way longer trip to the other SEC East schools compared to some Big 12 Schools. Mizzou is in the west central region of the state, and is about 2 hours east of KC, add an extra hour and you’re in Lawrence KS. At least five Big 12 schools are within 7 Hours of Columbia MO The closest SEC East City, Nashville, to Columbia MO? 6 and 1/2 hours away. Everyone else (in the SEC East) is at least a 7 Hour Drive away. The closest SEC school period? Arkansas (they’re about 5 hours away, but still that would put them behind Kansas, K-State, and Iowa State, while being almost equidistant to Nebraska.) This means that Mizzou is closer to 3 big 12 (and 1 Big Ten) schools compared to the SEC.
At what point does the Big East come into play again with Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Boston College, it makes a lot of sense. They can bring football back as well
There is a twist on the GOR; which, may come out. There is a number of teams requirement that the ACC must not fall below in the ACC/ESPN Contract. My trusted source says (13) Notre Dame does not count. Others say (15). Miami has released a statement they are happy in the ACC. There was a breakdown of tv viewership for football from 2016 - 2023: 1) Alabama 2) Ohio State 3) Texas 4) Florida State. Now: Georgia Tech could be invited for market knowing Georgia is the favorite College football team in the State & Florida State University is the 2nd most popular College football team in the State of Georgia. There is some validity to the Florida State/Notre Dame bundle to the B1G. The $$$ figures being thrown around are huge! FSU would likely want another university located in the South Eastern part of the country: With UNC the B1G would already have the State of North Carolina. Duke? Duke? Duke? At the moment it is a wait & see. ESPN needs money & the ACC 2025 & 2027 secret is out. Some ACC teams are seem destined too become Group-5 teams.
The B1G has an escalation clause built into it's media deal for expansion, but the only school named is Notre Dame. That means any other schools added would need to be paid for by either Fox or a new media partner. Fox just bumped up the current media deal to add Wa/Or, they might not be interested in doing it again. The ceiling for any new team not ND that's added to the B1G before the next media deal is half shares. So yeah, FSU isn't getting some crazy windfall, they would more than Likely be making the same as they are getting in the ACC till the next media deal in 2030.
I am guessing, one heck of deal. And honestly, I think WSU/Ore. St. should talk talking to them, and it does give more value to WSU and Ore. St. as far as media markets.
I think Cal Stanford run back to the Pac even if they get less money for a couple years. ACC never made any sense especially for Cal. Maybe they can grab ND as a football only landing spot for them. Pac can be rebuilt with different leadership. They need the right schools
@@scotttild I am guessing that both Stanford, Cal, were trying to get into partnership with Notre Dame. SMU was trying to get into Power 5 Conference anyway they could no matter what. But with the ACC tinkering, it makes even more sense now for Stanford, Cal. to start thinking of moving back west and rebuild the PAC conference with WSU and Oregon St. and even with SMU.
If those teams pull out, I don’t see why Stanford and Cal would stick with the new “mountain west” ACC. Go back to PAC, take SDSU, SMU, Boise State, etc and call it a day.
Stanford isn't going to a "mountain west" Pac either. They're going hitchhike a ride with Notre Dame and if that fails, they're willing to go Independent or let non Olympic sports die.
Big ten would take Miami, Virginia, and North Carolina, but what they really want is Notre Dame. Notre Dame can't afford to not join either the big ten or sec for very long. If they aren't an AAU university, they probably aren't going to the big ten.
Depends on where the money is coming from and if those schools are willing to accept partial shares till 2030. Notre Dame is already listed in the B1G media deals escalation clause, no other schools are named. The other schools would have to hope Fox or someone else pays enough for those extra games that they could get partial shares, the best case scenario would be half shares till 2030, the same thing they gave Wa/Or last year.
It makes so much sense. Money, geographically, natural rivalries but ND will hold out as long as they can. They have a contract with NBC till 2030. They're independence means a lot to them and unless not getting a first round bye brothers them (they say that it doesn't) I don't see them joining the BIG. No other conference is a good fit.
big ten will not be taking in any new teams that aren't AAU members. So Virginia, Miami, UNC and Doke to the big ten. Maybe add Norte dame and Stanford.
FSU has the 55th ranked academics, which is better then half the B1G. They have to join the B1G to get voted into the AAU because the B1G isn't going to go out of their way to use their academic influence to get them voted in if they join the SEC. Plus FSU already meets the qualifications to get in and they are more valuable then Miami. FSU is a large state school with a large alumni and fan base. Miami is a rinky dink private school with a tiny alumni base and a non-existent fan base that hasn't been seen in the last 20+ years.
I hope you're right. Love to have FSU but I know they aren't getting in unless they are an AAU member. Norte Dame and Miami just got voted in in 2023. That is why I think they are both coming in. But I will be happy if FSU does come in for all the reasons you stated over Miami. But I think there is a correlation between them getting into AAU in them soon to join the big ten. Same with Arizona State for Hockey. @@roris5882
@@roris5882 And quitely in the shadows is USF who is an AAU member with new stadium approved and a larger student base than FSU. I am obviously aware of the name brand'ness of all involved, but something to think about.
Majority goes to the SEC and the rest to the Big 10 SEC: Miami, FSU, GT, UNC, NCST, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, UVA, VT, and SMU Big 10: Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, California, Stanford, and Boston College
How are these schools getting out of that grant of rights deal? Idc who it is nobody is looking to foot a 300-900 million buy out. I doubt this conference is going anywhere until 2036
@@AlvinBeard good for them, but i don’t think it’s worth it, but hey it’s not my money and fsu is in a power 4 conference it may be the weakest of the power 4 because i think the big 12 is ahead of them even with Texas and Oklahoma leaving. FSU has a clear path to a top 4 seed in the playoffs and that’s all they want so they can have a bye.
The only AAU schools in ACC are Pitt, Cal, Stanford, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Miami, GT, and ND. So these schools would on B1G target list FSU and Clemson would head to SEC if they leave.
Only one of those schools is named in the B1G escalation clause, that's Notre Dame. The rest would either need Fox to make a huge investment in the current media deal or find another media partner. Fox just bumped up the media deal less than a year ago to add Wa/Or not sure they want to do it again. Another thing is any new teams added not named Notre Dame will have to settle for partial shares till the next media deal with the ceiling being half shares.
If Louisville has a few great seasons in a row they could help keep the acc alive, but they lost their last games so we'll see next season if that's a bad sign
So strange that the ACC has put themselves in this position, what did they think would happen with this financial disparity? Did they think all the ACC schools would just die a slow football death over the next decade? An impossible situation for any school that cares about it's football program
Miami Happy with the ACC? Not if FSU and Clemson leave, It wouldn't surprise me if the Canes are exploring their options. Remember Miami negotiated their exit from the Big East to the ACC in secret and later had to pay a fine and lost some scholarships. As a fan I hope the Big 10 expands and takes Miami and Florida State.
With SEC and BIG 10 obviously expanding, with Texas A&M mabey moving to the big10 we know the SEC will get some top tier teams 2 or more why wouldn't Georgia Tech move to the SEC, they were after all a founding member of the SEC, that would also give Georgia 2 teams in the SEC just like Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi and Florida if Florida St. Joins What about Georgia Tech to the SEC
Our top source here at Texas A&M has said we are not interested in the Big Ten on a Greg Swaim post about the very topic you speak of. We are NOT leaving. Idk how many times I have to say this to people
Imagine those Miami players and fans on the sidelines and stands of Manhattan, Ks or even Ames lol South Beach is a world away from those 2 in every aspect
@@Rodkicks88 At least people in Pennsylvania and New York visit Miami, you see any corn fed middle of the country folk walking around south beach? Think deeper guys, it's a culture shock
Why wouldnt the 7 remainibg acc teams add 2 aac teams or app state and round out a 9 team western division based around washington state, oregon state, utsa, smu, boise state, san diego st, fresno state.
Because that sounds like a garbage conference, like sub-Conference USA level. In order to survive, conferences have to be chock full of massive, brand name schools or just be the MAC or the Sunbelt
UNC and Duke should go to the sec, They could have great border rivalries with UGA Tennessee and SC. Plus basketball vs UK and Tennessee. Just is way more fitting imo
It’s okay leftovers. The pac 12 has a conference, a network and a new deal with the cw where the leftovers will be welcome with the best of the mwc and aac as well. If the 3.6 mil cfp money the pac 2 is getting is any sign then we should get 12-15 mil from media partners and be solidly in 4th and maintain power status.
What does Pitt add, honestly? Rutgers and Miss State get more viewers than them. They rent a stadium and most of their games only have a few hundred people in attendance. You can get into almost any Pitt game for under $5. I will say the WVU/Pitt game is cool, but that makes their viewership numbers even more sad. Outside of one game, how would adding Pitt make any financial sense? The point of expansion is to add value, right?
I could see Syracuse, Duke, and Boston college going to the big east for all sports and independents in football. I think it would make sense wake to the American, everyone else I think has a significantly larger chance than those 4 to find a new home in the B12, B1G, or SEC. Also sleeping on Louisville is a mistake, remember the history of the school and that they are the second largest TV drawing ACC team only behind FSU. The school has serious value and can be competitive in the B1G or SEC. The new teams I have no idea, probably the mountain west honestly.
I think the SEC adds Florida St/Clemson then eventually Miami & NC State. The Big Ten adds North Carolina, Duke. Notre Dame will have no choice at this point due to the ACC being watered down and will join the Big Ten under the condition that Stanford be admitted. The Big 12 will add San Diego St, Cal (which at this point has no choice). I know neither are good at FB, especially the Aztecs, but the league will wanna satisfy the AZ schools, Utah, Colorado by giving them access to Ca. And they'll also take Louisville, who actually did want to be in The Big 12, the first realignment go around, along with Ga Tech. I agree with how valuable the Atlanta market is. Plus, this gives UCF someone regionally they can play. And Ga Tech isn't gonna say no. That leaves Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Virginia, Va Tech, and Wake on the outside. Virginia is caught in an area where they're not in a big media market, and they're competing against a lot of teams that have bigger brands and power, specifically Notre Dame for a limited amount of spots in the Big Ten. Their lack of FB success hurts them in the eyes of the SEC. And while schools like Cal, Ga Tech would look down their nose at the academics of Big 12 schools. They're also very low on the totem pole and would love to find any way to leapfrog a lot of other schools. Pitt and Louisville were really close, but i went with Louisville. I just think there's more upside there. One thing that would be cool is if Syracuse followed UConn's lead and put their FB program in, say the MAC, and went back to the Big East in other sports. Most importantly, basketball. Jon Rothstein said it best in a tweet. Syracuse basketball at the Big East tournament is a happening. Syracuse basketball at the ACC tournament is irrelevant.
I know football makes the world go 'round but has anyone ever figured out just what the magic number for teams in a conference really is? Is it ten? Twelve? Sixteen? These mega-conferences are becoming unwieldy.
Think LEAGUE....forget the idea of "conferences". when the LEAGUES grow large enough...the idea of "REGIONALITY" returns to CFB within each of the LEAGUES. Then there is a CHAMPIONSHIP "Superbowl" between the LEAGUES.
@@josephcernansky1794 Someone told me the overall plan is for roughly 80 schools to leave the NCAA and form a true College Football Association. It'll be regions/pods in the end.
@@mattvermillion6062 Honestly, if we can take out the greed and focus on what is truly best for college football, something like this makes a lot of sense. The way it's going right now, entire regions of the country are going to be left out of this current P2 consolidation effort. Not to mention that these conferences like the ACC are just getting ridiculous with Pacific Coast schools playing in the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Georgia Tech will not be left out of either the Big 10 or the SEC. The Big 10 offered GT a few years back which GT declined. GT is an AAU school as well which is a requirement for the Big 10. The other factor is I don't see a world where the SEC would let the Big 10 into the heart of SEC country and would most likely offer GT as well.
Did you say Louisville doesnt have a stadium? NBA level Basketball stadium, and a 64k seat Football stadium? I mean 64k isnt huge but it aint small either.
Everything is based on ESPN and Fox Sports if they are willingly to increase funding to the SEC and BIG10 to add Clemson and FSU. If they are willing to provide the funding those schools are gone. The problem with the ACC in that case is ESPN may not be willing to renew the current deal in 2025 because the conference will be watered down. If ESPN is willing to to renew the contract in 2025 and the remaining universities want to stay together the conference could add OSU and WSU to replace Clemson and FSU.
The B1G just bumped up the media deal less than a year ago and might not have the appetite to do it again. Notre Dame is the only school named in the B1G escalation clause. So If Fox does decide to bump it up again for two ACC then the max is half shares, no ACC team outside ND are getting anymore than that.
FSU and Clemson not going to the SEC as the SEC has teams that do not want to add them. UNC and NC State are linked due to the state legislature stepping in. That same scenario is for VT/UVA. Not sure why more talk about just rebranding the ACC. Where the top teams leave to form a 8/10 team conference to renegotiate a better TV deal per school. Big 10 and SEC will have a hard time taking more teams w/o taking a cut in TV revenue so the schools moving would need a landing place.
super conferences will make sense at a certain size they will just make east and west divisions again, and cross over play will be limited. will be the end of NCAA and replaced with just the conferences themselves
ND, Duke, UNC, Miami, Clemson, and Florida State leave the ACC. Stanford, SMU, California, Pittbsurgh, Syracuse, Louisville, Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, and Georgia Tech will form the first FBS football-only conference. Adds Washington State, Oregon State, Memphis, USF, UConn, and Tulane.
Its laughable that the BIG12 believes they have leverage to add VA schools. The travel for one neither would agree to. Especially with WVU only being the closest drive. Both schools are known for staying in conferences that keep them geographically regional. Playing a conference😊
Eh, screw it. Disband the ACC entirely. Have Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson, and all four NC schools go to the SEC. Have both VA schools, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, and BC go to the B1G. As for the Big XII, have UCF go to the SEC and have UWV and Cincy go to the B1G. HOWEVER, put Memphis in the Big XII and have the Big XII pick off teams from the Mountain West. And, voila: three major Super Conferences.
The B1G only has an escalation clause for Notre Dame. Everyone else would have to either hope Fox bumps up the media deal again, but they just did that. If Fox is out they have to find another media partner to sell those games. Either way the ceiling is half shares, just like what Wa/Or got. That's the ceiling, but not the floor.
@@jonathanchess731ACC Championship game appearances: Clem 9, FSU 6, VT 5, GT 4, WF 2, BC 2, UNC 2, Pit 2, UM 1, Duke 1, UVa 1, Lou 1 Miami has NOT been a very successful football program in the ACC. They played in the division with VT, GT, Duke, UVa, UNC, Pit, Lou.
That's great if that is how membership into the Big 2 was decided. Miami is #3 in TV viewership, has a large media market amd an incredible recruiting base. Those things will make the conference better amd effect a new media deal. What has UCLA done except bring a massive market amd huge alumni base?
They just need to do a four conference (North, South, Midwest, West) football-only major re-alignment of geographic conferences (with some respect for historic rivalries)
That's already been tried. Pac10 failed because no one watches football in most of West coast. Plus all the recruits are in the southeast and TX. conferences outside of these regions couldnt survive that's why big12 and b1g are moving into florida
After the Super League adds the 50 most valuable schools they can break them back down into regional divisions to support rivalries. Then they will cover the most populated regions of the country and have 99.8% of the college football fans.
I don't see why the ACC schools left out of the Big Ten and SEC would want to join the Big 12, as that conference won't be any better than a weakened ACC without Texas and Oklahoma.
