Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth 2 #22 - The Inherited Turnabout ~ End, Part 3 (2/2) 

The Local Gnome (5 years later lol) Gumshoe has a mini-arc of his own in AAI2, centered around “what it means to be a detective” and inheriting Det. Badd’s spirit. ultimately, it ends with him getting a raise. I don’t think it’s the translation, the writers themselves intended this

@@craque_victor lovely! Also spoilers, but lovely!

I love Gumshoe, but I hated his portrayal in that game and how he’s reduced to a punching bag for everyone else. He’s like that to an extent in the main games but it was never so bad. It does feel like they tried to fix that in the sequel though

He grew over the course of the games

@@dycast8561 I feel the same way about the portrayal of Larry Butz in literally any game that isn't the very first one

Master is have a low sensitivity of taste, so that explains how he doesn't feel the blood. Delicia maybe though that lyre was strange but didn't give a concern

Since Gustavia shaved rock salt into the lyre. The saltiness probably covered the blood taste.

***** And who effectively affected at least a dozen lives in 2 cases back to back? Manfred von Karma.

***** Solution: Go back in time and kill him

***** This case has three bad or horrible parent-child relationships!

Really, The IS-7 incident triggered it all. It ruined everything and directly led to the DL-6 incident ;c

Damn, it's the domino effect. And just to lighten things up 35:05 approx "Miley!" OMG I laughed so hard.

What’s third case syndrome

@@wowmeme7309 Through most of the series the Third Case is a drag/pain in the ass for various reasons and hardly anyone likes them.

@@GraveKenshin1991 yeah, too long and too filler-y.

@@pinzokiyama3387 Or whatever the third case story is is hindered or kicked off by insane stupidity by the other characters or incredibly unlikable characters. Recipe for Turnabout for the former and Turnabout Big Top for the latter.

@@GraveKenshin1991 yeah, the characters can be quite boring or annoying as heck in filler cases. Overall: Samurai was really repetitive with the Steel Samurai theme, Big Top was only good for Acro, Serenade is neutral because of Lamiroir, imo. Academy was dull, but I did like a case at least giving us more to the dark age of law through law school corruption, and I haven’t played through all of the DGS duology(I’ve barely started 1-3) or SoJ(Athena got case 4, right? Lame, even with clown girl.)

That took almost everything...

Insert Rick Roll here

@@zyc4nthropy728 gotcha, mate: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dQw4w9WgXcQ.html

I'm with you. The ending brought tears to my eyes as well and more so because I just played that case minutes ago, so it was from a player's point of view. I played the case going through the whole thing to be greeted by this ending :)

*@Sjivje* ~ "I just knew that the picture of mr. Shields and Miles would pop up somewhere. It resembled the one with Gregory perfectly urgh." - it's a term called "Like father, like son".

Sjivje sad...fcking von karma if only I could do some back to the future shit and kill that guy...damn...

Truly brings tears to my eyes, haven’t felt this emotionally tied to a story since cod mw

Believe me, their sons already made their appearances in the game

As for me, i think that Gustavia is actually suffered a personality disorder due to a concussion. Yeah, he never was a "great" human being, but he loved his son and he was pretty passionate about his art. But them Dover made him hit his head after humiliating him, and trauma was severe enough to cause a bloodstain. No matter how you look at it, it's a HIGH chance that Gustavia just became worse as a person after suffering a strong hit to his head.

+Jeremy Winner I think that one message stole the spotlight. :P

+Jeremy Winner Beautiful.. really beautiful way to end a dark case

But should you confront him with this detail, he'll accept no responsibility. He'd say that it only grew to such proportions because Kate found the body prematurely due to Delicia's affectionate confectionery nibbling, the underhanded methods used by von Karma and Hammond to maintain their victories, and Edgeworth's own pain for straying from his father's path. And let's be realistic, he's only wrong about Delicia and Kate.

But then... If this crime wasn't committed, then Phoenix Wright may not have become a defense attorney. Then Dahlia Hawthorne would be getting away with her crimes and still be alive. And that means Prosecutor Godot wouldn't exist. Mia wouldn't be a defense attorney since Misty Fey didn't have to run away. It would definitely change the way Ace Attorney played out.

***** The first game contradicts you at every turn. It was made very clear over the course of it that Mia's lone motive for becoming a defense attorney was to learn the intricate details concerning her mother's disappearance, something that only occurred because of this case that united Edgeworth and von Karma. While it is true she unquestionably would have abandoned the clan's tradition of spirit channeling to preserve her relationship with Maya, the exact shape of her future was only molded because of DL-6. Furthermore, in Turnabout Goodbyes, Phoenix admits that the major reason he began to minor in legal studies is because Edgeworth became a prosecutor. While that incident from school did shape his feelings towards defense attorneys, it was only because 20 year old Edgeworth was such a stark contrast to 9 year old Edgeworth that Phoenix chose to go in pursuit of Edgeworth to understand what happened, and it was in response to the cold shoulder that Phoenix decided to stand against Edgeworth in court and force a confrontation. Now, it is likely Dahlia wouldn't have been unmasked during the trial for Valerie Hawthorne's murder without Mia Fey, and thus never would have been accused of the murder, never would have been placed under investigation following the trial, never would have had a motive to kill Diego Armando, never would have noticed Doug Swallow, never would have noticed Phoenix Wright, and never would have had a motive to kill Phoenix or Doug. However, the murder of Valerie Hawthorne was a separate incident that only by chance became connected to Diego, Doug, and Phoenix. As such, Dahlia would still perpetrate at least one murder, maybe two if she pushed Terry Fawles the right way. And with a personality like hers, there's no way the body count would stop there, even if we dismiss the tensions between Morgan and Misty.

***** That quote, really? First of all, that means Mia had already chosen law and makes no reference to a motive of why. Second of all, notice how Maya makes no reference to the animosity between her mother and aunt, Mia's motive for taking a different path in the first place. That quote already disqualifies itself. It may have been in T&T, but Mia clearly stated her motive in choosing law was DL-6. If Edgeworth and Phoenix continued bonding, Edgeworth would disclose his suspicions that Larry was the thief once their bond peaked and Edgeworth could no longer bear to have his friend lied to by Larry or harmed by his own silence. What did Phoenix say would happen if he knew about Larry's theft at a younger age? And that's assuming that such guilt doesn't drive Edgeworth to continue his silence until he wedges himself out their trio. Should that happen, Edgeworth still fails to raise Phoenix, and now that Edgeworth fails to be a contradiction, Phoenix has less motive to meet him in the courtroom. Either way, Phoenix doesn't stand as a defense attorney. And Dahlia, really? Her father left Morgan due to Misty's greater power making hers the main family and causing Morgan to become a worthless branch family. It had nothing to do with DL-6, Morgan lost her honor well before. Dahlia would still become a Hawthorne, still carry out the fake kidnapping, and still perpetrate the murder of Valerie while being in a position to murder Terry.

***** I'm going to break this down as much as I can: Mia said it was for her career. That means she already chose her career. It does not explain why she chose that career. So it does not show motive for her choice. Do you understand why that quote proves nothing? And I said quite clearly that it could have been in T&T where it was established that Mia made this choice for Misty, not for a random reason. You've continuously said there was more to her motive, which is wrong. Are you high? The end to Turnabout Goodbyes shows Edgeworth telling Wright and explaining how he had suspected as much for 15 years. Larry may have initiated the conversation, but even the jaded Edgeworth had conscience enough to restrict evidence tampering to rhetorical tricks instead of going all the way to forging it. You really think the empathetic one wouldn't have felt bad about keeping a secret from someone who considers him a best friend? And really, you completely ignored my question, so allow me to answer it: Phoenix said quite clearly that if he knew at younger age that Larry had stolen the money and left him to take the fall, he would have become a prosecutor. Not a defense attorney. The only way that doesn't happen is if he chooses to still carry that secret, which for an empathetic Edgeworth would erect a wall between him and Phoenix, eradicating all reason for Phoenix to become involved in law. The shame on Morgan's family began with the choice of Misty. She lost all opportunity well before the disgrace to the whole family. If DL-6 played any role, it only expedited the inevitable. Dahlia was forever relegated to the Hawthorne family. And you're really assuming she was nurtured into a sociopath? Even if she stayed behind, being a member of the worthless branch family would still lead to the deaths of Mia, Maya, and perhaps even Pearl. Convict von Karma? Of what? If this case hadn't happened, von Karma would have been able to maintain better control over his witnesses and evidence and never would have perpetrated a murder. Even in this case, he was only busted for a coerced confession, not a forged autopsy - and coercing confessions is not criminal. Phoenix himself never got von Karma on tampering with evidence. The Smuggling Ring? Doubtful. Following the KG-8 Incident, Calisto Yew was sent to keep tabs on the two most prominent threats (Badd and Faraday), and that duty only ceased when she was made thanks to Edgeworth. No Edgeworth means she continues monitoring Badd directly, keeping him behind while eventually acquiring the tape and card, as well as identifying these new threats you propose even before they ally with Badd. Could someone else have achieved Edgeworth's result in that case? Maybe, but I doubt it. Blaise? As if. Simon initiated his fall only due to this incident. Without it, the only crimes Blaise has is selling evidence and The SS-5 Incident. However, everyone was blind to the former, and no one even knew the truth behind the second. Without the former, only Courtney would have been involved in trying to reopen the SS-5 Incident. Unless she succeeds, the fake Huang remains in power, and regardless Dogen would have been killed. The only bits of trauma from the original trilogy that weren't influenced by this were Turnabout Samurai, most of JFA, and The Stolen Turnabout. Rise From the Ashes - whose moniker is debatable - would have played much the same way. Beyond that it's divided. While most of the cases from AJ and DD would remain untouched, the life of Trucy is altered by Phoenix's involvement, the identity of the Chief Prosecutor changes, and whether or not Themis reaches the point where a murder occurs becomes debatable without Phoenix initiating the first step in The Dark Age of Law. Even most of the first AAI could have been avoided, given that the first three cases only reached a level requiring activity due to Edgeworth's involvement in the fourth and the unlikelihood of someone filling his role to such a level. The fifth still would have happened, but the group would have minimal motive to get involved in it beforehand, and would have no ability to get in afterwards since their authority would be halted at the border - the only hope there is Badd, Gumshoe, and Kay.

scarlet night it apparently was so bad it wasn’t even worth mentioning according to Masters lol.

​@@kristinopperman7931 oh yeah, I forgot Dover didn't help him out in there, so the design would be just acid for the eyes, maybe

good one.

we all do

@@void3267 i dont

@@aelsaellie You do

2 years late but I totally felt it was him being catty about her previous von karma comment about him. So he decided to pull a von karma move and sustain his own argument.

Ivan Pozdeev Not everybody is good at math, you know

tifanny tantoso I could understand if this was multidigit multiplication or even something with borrow/carry. But adding 5 and 3 is something on the same level as the ability to read.

tifanny tantoso Actually, the laughing matter was her phrasing. She formulated this in such a way as if it was a hypothesis.

+Shion Aruto The path I choose is... END OF PATCH SAVE GAME HERE.

Yeah, but I don't think it's bad design or anything. If he did that, why feel bad for him?

Honestly yeah, I feel bad for Kate and Master but I can’t even hate Gustavia because the guy also got screwed over badly

@@baguette3025 nah, he's too proud and narcissistic, just because dover is bad doesn't mean gustavia isn't, he easily abandoned his son despite his son helping him up until the finals, and by the he felt no remorse for ruining Kate and masters lives. He's a terrible father that put himself over his son and we don't even know his son's whereabouts

Nope, didn’t you pay attention? Gustavia struck first, missed, then was struck by Dover. Self defense won’t matter.

@@peckypork actually we do find out his whereabouts. MAJOR MAJOR SPOILER: His son is Simon Keyes, who’s also the mastermind behind the entire game.

It's the only one. She never appeared before or since.

No, hugs are just the thing he does for fun, he asks every woman he meets for a hug. Ray wanted to be serious for his "Special Someone". Though, if he pulled out an engagement ring it would be so perfect. Especially with the whole thing sounding like a proposal.

@@triplecatnip7413 who is this special someone? kay?

@@bidilz Kate. It seems like they like each other.

I was so happy when Ray and Edgeworth came to the detention center to announce to Jeff Masters that they'll be able to get him out of here. Seriously, the nice guy deserved it!

I wanna give Palaeno and Master a hug.

So...who is it?

Katana Landt simon keyes

Bless you for the warning. Scrolling the HELL back up, AIGHT-

Wait, does that mean Knightley's dad was Dover?

@@Blitzenpferd yep

Because he got arrested, unfortunately.

@@Moda-pf8wt it's been 5 years.

@Sourav Parik yeah

Tyrell Badd(ass)

@@emadrewington actually, only one month. Case 1 takes place like a week or two after, 2 is the same, case 3 also, and case 4 and 5 take place several weeks after case 1-3.

A kiss hug?

Egg Benedict true, and also because of Dover trying to blackmail gustavia.

It was part of it.

Lauchlin Yurchuk i mean with a name like edgeworth, its kind of a given

@@elizabethdragonclaw2916 XD ye

Politeness and smugness have been passed down the van Zieks line for generations!

I know you probably finished it by now, but I still want to say: Wait until you meet his "Pops". You will want to kill him more than almost any other Ace Attorney character, and that's saying a lot.

@@lmrpirate5273 I did and yes, totally agree xD Engarde lost his 'The most detestable asshole' title pretty fast. And Seb ended up being my favorite character in the series as whole.

@@enkinaru4109 At least Matt only has two deaths under his belt. I wonder how many people "disappeared" do to Blaise?

Ellie F. Who the fuck hates Kay?

-MISSING- All the people who call her a Mary Sue and all the people who feel she's "in the way" of Edgeworth/Phoenix because I guess Edgeworth isn't allowed to have friends. Well, tehre are people who genuinely think she's annoying but mostly I just hear "ugh she's such a Mary Sue!" and people hating her because Edgeworth seems to like her. Which, well, I think he treats her like a little sister or a daughter, personally.

Ellie F. Too many Yaoi fans, my god.

-MISSING- I wouldn't mind slash fangirls if they wouldn't demonise female characters like they do, actually be more open about other ships, have more variety in their ships so not everything is guy/guy and occasionally girl/girl (this latter bit is often just to get the women out of the way), and most important of all, stop treating homosexuality as a _fetish_. I've been thoroughly put off from slash ships on the basis that whenever I ask why they like a certain pairing, the most common reply is "cuz it's hot!" (or if I ask why all their ships are guy/guy, every single solitary time the reply is "you just answered your own question"). They rarely explain themselves past that and treat me like an idiot for not understanding the supposed hotness of two guys (this being because it's no different to me than a guy and a girl or two girls). So often has this happened that I just don't trust people who ship this way on principle as being little more than people who treat it as a fetish. More than half my AA ships consist of characters that haven't even _met_ (Apollo/Franziska, for instance), which is often seen as arguably worse because I have no basis. However, I at least have a good reason why I think they'd make a good match, or at least, if not a good reason, I bother to explain my thinking past "it's sexy". For (part of) my reasoning behind the aforementioned "what are you thinking?!" ship: I think what makes Apollo good for Franziska is his demeanour, his age, their similar heights, his perception, and the fact that he is a defence attorney. Apollo is mostly very easygoing, he's got a good grasp on his feelings, and he's got a high level of patience. He's a process thinker, unlike his boss and co-worker who both leap to conclusions. He's younger than her and roughly her height (being actually shorter when she's wearing her heels) which suits her dominant personality- I can't see her liking someone noticeably taller than her because she doesn't like to be seen as beneath people and her height seems to be a touchy subject. She's 5'3" and he's barely 5'5". Further, I think his perception would be a puzzle she could never solve; it's not something she can research the way Zak talks about it. Something to keep her interest as she tries to figure it out. I think this is what would draw her to him in the first place. And lastly, he's a defence attorney, something she's still struggling to see in a good light. Considering Apollo's personality, he's just the person she needs to indefinitely prove her wrong about them because they both have the same unique view of justice: that the _truth_ matters, the truth is what his right, not the defence or the prosecution. They're the only characters to express this thought process to an extent they're willing to concede a friend could be a killer. Both of them I think would end up learning together how romance works, as Apollo seems to avoid feeling a lot of emotions and Franziska seems to just not understand hers at all. However I also concede they have their downsides. For one, I think Franziska would want to keep their relationship a secret, something Apollo wouldn't like doing after a while (though fine at first because he knows perfectly well his coworkers will just tease him). I think 18 years, her wentire life until case 2-4, of thinking defence attorneys are villains who defend guilty people isn't going to go away in even just 10 years, and she won't want people to know she's got feelings for one. I think this would strain their relationship and put emotional strain on them both, especially Franziska. I think they'd fight a lot, but mostly about things unrelated to their relationship. However, I consider it part of her growing and learning to be more accepting and open as she starts to embrace her feelings for him, rather than be unnerved and afraid of them. Apollo for his part doesn't get much like this out of this relationship, as Apollo doesn't need to grow and change as much as she does. He's already quite mature. I don't see them as a fairytale couple where everything works out perfectly from the start like people tend to ship (though I do have a ship like this in Clay/Juniper). But I'm digressing on an unrelated topic. The point I suppose is I don't even get a fraction of what I just explained from people who slash-ship. Just them telling me "it's obvious he's/they're gay", "it's hot/sexy!", "your a homophobe if you don't ship it", "you just answered your own question", "well cuz look how they talk to each other they totally want each other", etc. Vague things.

Ellie F. WOAH, wow, i think you overanalized my joke too much and you went ahead to get the wrong conclusion. My joke was pointed at all the Yaoi fanart that you can find at google images when you search for normal PW content.

I can't really understand why it is that tragic, can someone enlighten me?

@@mapytrix3982 As a defense attorney, especially one that had close ties to the defendant, using the pain they've gone through even if it's to save them can be an unbearable experience.

he was already my favourite after watching pw:aa

Of course, remaining silent carries it's own weight though

Then Blaise would be in the top

domagoj 5160 well Edgeworth could also refer to him as “that man”

But I guess ;​@@TryniaMerin When I'm seein ema at case 4, seems like it been 3 years or 4 already afte wright lost his badge

There is practically no room for doubt... However... A murder is a murder - and nothing can change it In addition, this wasn't accidental one... Only planned (at last second, but still) If Gustavia just had said to the others that he accidentally killed Dover/Hoquet in self-defense... Jeff Master wouldn't have landed in a prison, and the penalty would have been lower (but... when I type this... I think it wouldn't have been an easy task due to centrain cheating prosecutor) Also there is a high chance of Gregory's survival, Simon and Horace being even before Dogen would take them with himself (which was a very nice of him, despite being a professional assassin... but we know that they are often more honorable and goot at heart that most of AA culprits), etc. It is truth that there would be a twist in time and space... Miles being a lawyer just like father, Phoenix would be either an artist or a attorney (that depends on how his story would go on) etc.... But who would care, right?

Isaac and Gustavia weren't friends,more like allies.Besides Gustavia was the one who attacked first

!!!!!!!!

+MetalChronic BEST SHIP IN THE GAME -besides VonKarmaXDelicia-

+angelina gold (lyralinks999) I DID NOT WANT TO HEAR THAT

THEIR INTERACTIONS IN THE GAME MADE ME SHIP THEM

It's not perfect but I can watch these videos better with the System Mechanics on my laptop.

To prevent a trial/case from lasting too long. If there were no limitations, let me give you some examples, evidence could be forged, the case could reopen and close at will with either new, old, or forged evidence being presented, thus having a never ending trial (possibly keeping an innocent defendant waiting for his just declaration of innocence), or an unjust punishment.

Alan Linville To add on as a good example for this would be the McMartin preschool trial, where the trial lasted over 7 years, costed 15 million dollars in tax payer money, and was mainly based off the testimony off of kids who 6 years old at the time of the crime, a whole lot pseudo-science, and some perjury from the prosecution. Worst of all, however, is that the defendant was declared not guilty, so the whole thing was just a giant waste of time.

That being said, there are certain crimes, such as murder or international crimes, which generally do not have a statute of limitations...

In real life, it exists ti give criminals a right so if they escape their crime and do not commit another they can live a new reformed life. And murder, or course, has no limit.

***** It better justify her conduct for trying to let the true criminals go scott free.

AuraChannelerChris All will be explained in the next case. Then complicated and resolved in the last case.

Imagine if a famous celebrity was found to have murdered someone, but could get away with it. Their reputation, and their career, would be crushed.