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Adding letters to the english alphabet? 

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RobWords video: • I updated the alphabet...
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@sirrandalot
@sirrandalot Год назад
As fun as these spelling reforms are to consider, there are issues I didn't touch on in the video: Sometimes an S is not an S, but should it remain one? Would the plural of "table" be "tablez" or "tablz" while hat and cat for example are still pluralized as "hats" and "cats"? Things also start to get messy with thorn and eth when both are acceptable pronounciations. For example, "paþs" and "paðz" are both acceptable ways to say the plural of "path". This starts to veer into the territory of accent/dialect differences where both cases are correct in their own right, and imposing a single spelling would not be universally helpful. On the topic of the Q, maybe it would just be easier to get rid of Q in favour of K and replace all "QU" with "KW". Would the other additions actually solve more problems or would they just be a bit annoying? I don't know :shrug: I'm sure there are many potential issues I haven't considered, but I think we should be open to discussing potential changes (not necessarily these ones), even if the new way might look weird at first.
@ybrahimpalateo1709
@ybrahimpalateo1709 Год назад
C is doesn't have used because same /k/ C is front of A , O , U K is front of E , I , Y
@ybrahimpalateo1709
@ybrahimpalateo1709 Год назад
Like a German rules?
@AllYourMemeAreBelongToUs
@AllYourMemeAreBelongToUs 11 месяцев назад
At 1:44 you used to represent the solitary velar nasal in _“getting”_ and the velar nasal + voiced velar plosive in _”english”_. This means that in your system represents both /ŋ/ _and_ /ŋg/.
@josiahjack455
@josiahjack455 9 месяцев назад
Plurality would just be the same word as singular. Try it out! Turns out the s for plural is wholly unnecessary. You can just start to use word that way and no matter how many time you'd be tempted to add an s it just isn't needed as the context is sufficient to know what the word mean. See 'deer' for how we already started to improve english this way. See 'fish' for where we are on the fence. Unless I said something like 'the dog ate the cat' and you'd be wondering if there were more than one of either I guess.... but that's just a setup for meme and joke material so call it a win.
@wigley7610
@wigley7610 6 месяцев назад
Paðs Is Seilent ð
@mollof7893
@mollof7893 Год назад
Your changes are significantly better
@Jade-Cat
@Jade-Cat Год назад
using three different sources for letters for /ʃ/, /tʃ/, and /ʒ/ in the original was... definitely a choice
@itsYakuza
@itsYakuza Год назад
Looks a lot like the (Serbo-)Croatian alphabet
@williamkeitaro8910
@williamkeitaro8910 5 месяцев назад
extra changed that i think will make it better: Q actually makes a ''k'' sound since its paired with ''u'' so its sounds like ''kw'' so i can just remove the letter entirely and replace it with a K, this is better since it will also work with words borrowed from Arabic containing the letter question = kuesion queue = kiue queen = kueen X doesnt have its own sound, so i think lets make it used for the ''gh'' if it has a sound lets just add the letter A before the I in words like mIght, rIght, sIght i should also remove the silent G, so the words become maixt, raixt, saixt Lets also add the letter Æ for the ''Æ'' sound cat = cæt bat = bæt Lets also add the letter ''ø'' for the ''oo'' sound tooth = tøþ or tøð goose = gøes flood = flaød And lets add the letter ''Å'' for the ''U'' sounds in words like Under, Umbrella, so they become Ånder, Åmbrella
@lancemarchetti8673
@lancemarchetti8673 11 месяцев назад
Interesting concept. But I imagine such a change would present quite a challenge to programmers who depend on decoding methods like Base64 etc,
@jekanyika
@jekanyika Год назад
This reminds me of suckerpinch's Uppestcase and Lowestcase Letters video. Tbf they are about different things but I cant help where my brain goes.
@esbj0rnsson
@esbj0rnsson Год назад
I’ve seen all of your videos, I’m a true fan!
@EvdogMusic
@EvdogMusic 6 месяцев назад
I independently came to a similar conclusion as you recently: * Added č, š, ž, and ŋ like you did, but left c and s alone. * Did the same q reform. * Used t‌̌ for /θ/ for consistency and to prevent visual ambiguity between Þþ and Pp, and Ðð with Dd; left the more common /ð/ alone as th. * Renamed w from "double-u" to "wynn", after Ƿ.
@Nerf_Jeez
@Nerf_Jeez 9 месяцев назад
Pretty cool, i wish you had more examples of use cases in there
@aypibar3478
@aypibar3478 2 месяца назад
And let me suggest as well that we dont need to have two types of upper and lower case of alphabet. Only one functions 100% efficiently. You might ask what about the proper names. Well, perfect question- and the solution is also very easy. We can only agree on a symbol to come before the proper names showing them belong to a specific Pearson or a place. For instance: ~david moved from ~london to ~tokyo. See! The (~) symbole does the job perfectly. I am always advocating reforms on alphabet and languages.
@jacobmpp
@jacobmpp Год назад
I didn't even realize the th in this and these was pronounced differently.
@alechinshaw5990
@alechinshaw5990 2 месяца назад
Ðis is how mi spelling of Englisch wold loke. Right off ðe bat, I’m adding ð and þ as måst wold. I’m also adding ðe å character as seen in ðe continental Scandinavian languages. Ðe å wold måstly be ðere for ðe oh sound, as many of ðem originally were pronounced wiþ ðe ah-sound, but ðen it heightened and became ðe oh sound, and ðats hwi we have ðe oa. Ånoðer þing to add is ðat I am restoring ðe Germanic umlauts, ä ö and ü. Men = män, fell = fäll, goose = göse, health = hälþ, foot = föte, green = gröne, fill = füll, mice = müce, etc. And hwile ðe ä wold remain ðe e or i sound, ðe ö and ü wold be changed to ðeir original sound before ðey merged wiþ e and i. Ðe schort ö wold be pronounced [œ], hwile ðe längþen ö wold be produced [yː] instäd of [øː] because ðis version I made is a åne ðats applicable wiþ ðe great vowel schift. Same goes for ðe ü sound. Schort ü is [ʏ] hwile ðe long ü is [ɔʏ]. Anoðer change is ðat ðe sh-sound is back to being spelled as sch like in German, and Middle English. Ðe ou in should and could is just o now. De long u is now spelled eu, as ðe true long-u in Englisch is ðe ou as in out, hwitch you can alså spell as just a u like wiþ ðe long I. Ðe wh is now spelled hw like in old Englisch. For ðe ü, you can alså euse ðe y letter, but ðen you wold have to euse ðe j for ðe y sound.
@Friday.S
@Friday.S 4 месяца назад
You could actually interpret CH as as palatalized T and J as a palatalized D in symmetry to SH and S as in "pleasure" being palatalized S and Z :)
@syryously
@syryously Год назад
Closer. Still though why eth and thorn? They are only slightly different so maybe a caret over one. C could replace K, then Č for ch as you said.. I learned Cyrillic when I was young and created a few alphabets over the years for fun. Phonetic alphabets are ideal. You pinned a pist about dialects though: someone suggesting to use tablz instead of tabls. I suppose with a North American audience we might as well start spelling bottle, bodil as well 😂
@sirrandalot
@sirrandalot Год назад
Yeah the wide variety of different pronounciations for what is generally understood as the same word is kind of the main issue when trying to retcon a more phonetic alphabet.
@weirdboo
@weirdboo 17 дней назад
Cyrillic is so much better for custom english phonetic alphabets. So many weird letters and tricks you can pull. If you try hard with the latin alphabet, it ends up looking like vietnamese lol
@vantablacknl
@vantablacknl Год назад
you just discovered how serbian works
@sirrandalot
@sirrandalot Год назад
Yeah I always thought that was neat. Can't help but wonder how long it will last before it eventually shifts with time
@vantablacknl
@vantablacknl Год назад
@@sirrandalot its been like this snice the 1800s so it hasnt changed regarding the rule of 1 sound for 1 letter
@itsYakuza
@itsYakuza Год назад
@@sirrandaloti don't think it'll change, it's used by 4 languages for hundreds of years already!
@1987rickjoy
@1987rickjoy 23 дня назад
0:54 the word karakter does exist in turkish language
@ivanruiz2218
@ivanruiz2218 Год назад
it looks kool
@lofwyr5063
@lofwyr5063 Год назад
Fixing English -> Switch to Anglish (aka, return to Germonke)
@madladdie7069
@madladdie7069 Год назад
wait, the two pronunciations of "the" is an accent difference? I'd always thought the pronunciation is based on whether it's followed by a vowel or not.
@frafraplanner9277
@frafraplanner9277 6 месяцев назад
The accents that say the with the /i/ sound only do it in front of vowels and the other accents never use the /i/ sound in the
@EvdogMusic
@EvdogMusic Месяц назад
Armchair Historian uses /i/ for all of his the's, which is unusual
@spyro3635
@spyro3635 Год назад
You could borrow from polish where the letter c is used for ts (almost) sound and it feels a bit weird having č without plain c.
@jackanderson5834
@jackanderson5834 7 месяцев назад
This feels eerily similar to Old English (especially the defaced C)
@ender5312
@ender5312 4 месяца назад
1:45 I pink oeze are cangez oat I wouldn’t mind gettin in oe enlis alphabet.
@ender5312
@ender5312 4 месяца назад
Panks for wacin!
@Lulugu
@Lulugu Месяц назад
👍
@keiichiiownsu12
@keiichiiownsu12 Месяц назад
dumb question: why not make a ligature for ing? something like ŋ with a dot over the left stroke
@MK-mm7ui
@MK-mm7ui 8 месяцев назад
Use X for «sh»
@panzerofthelake4460
@panzerofthelake4460 Год назад
add more digits to our numbers system
@regina_george340
@regina_george340 4 месяца назад
what about g being g and also j
@user-yn9lu9yj6n
@user-yn9lu9yj6n 5 месяцев назад
ðeez nuts
@sirrandalot
@sirrandalot 5 месяцев назад
got eem
@rainbow_alphabet
@rainbow_alphabet 6 месяцев назад
I’m just saying the eng and ž šouldn’t be added because you’ll only see ðem when you šout ðem.
@Zethlynn
@Zethlynn 8 месяцев назад
My problem with using ŋ is that i pronounce the k or g after it, making ŋ pointless for me since ng and nk tells me the n sound is different and what sound to make after it
@gunjfur8633
@gunjfur8633 6 месяцев назад
The NG in the words singer & finger are not pronounced the same
@Zethlynn
@Zethlynn 6 месяцев назад
@@gunjfur8633 in my dialect they are
@Starbox_oficial
@Starbox_oficial 6 месяцев назад
ÁƁÇÐÉFĜĤÍĴĶĹMŃÑÓPQŔßÞÚVŴXŸŹ
@natthanonknot2974
@natthanonknot2974 Год назад
what does Þis say?
@r.henryjr.1533
@r.henryjr.1533 7 месяцев назад
It says this
@baso53
@baso53 Год назад
Congratulations, you just invented Croatian alphabet
@Starbox_oficial
@Starbox_oficial 6 месяцев назад
Þæmer
@steakbbq
@steakbbq 11 месяцев назад
remove double leters
@zidane8452
@zidane8452 6 месяцев назад
Definitely not. Some should be remove like in the word annoy abd but words like puzzle is 2 syllables, the double Z there is necessary
@CollectorCloudy
@CollectorCloudy 7 месяцев назад
Exkuse me but what about "ñ"?
@gunjfur8633
@gunjfur8633 6 месяцев назад
English doesnt have a use for it
@CollectorCloudy
@CollectorCloudy 6 месяцев назад
@@gunjfur8633 The NI in the word onion makes the same sound as ñ
@gunjfur8633
@gunjfur8633 6 месяцев назад
@@CollectorCloudy Incorrect, the N and I are in different syllables, as in /ʌn.jən/
@AstroEli133
@AstroEli133 Год назад
But why would we need something that says NG when NG works just as well, and why would we need Q since KW works just as well?
@sirrandalot
@sirrandalot Год назад
Excellent points, see my pinned comment for more potential issues :)
@EvdogMusic
@EvdogMusic 6 месяцев назад
Do you pronounce "Singer" like "Sin-ger"?
@gunjfur8633
@gunjfur8633 6 месяцев назад
The NG in the words singer & finger are not pronounced the same
@Nikedemos
@Nikedemos Год назад
So we're just gonna ignore the "ph" altogether, huh.
@flippy2
@flippy2 8 месяцев назад
the the gh and wh
@ElHolyBoy
@ElHolyBoy 6 месяцев назад
F
@zidane8452
@zidane8452 6 месяцев назад
F
@brawlwith_me
@brawlwith_me Год назад
So you want a language like Hindi...
@zaludaoldrich
@zaludaoldrich Год назад
...and get rid of all silent letters. These drive me mad. Silently.
@ElHolyBoy
@ElHolyBoy 6 месяцев назад
I see a bit of nit picking about pronunciation and accent/dialect. Emphasizing a simplified and standardized utilitarian alphabet is more important-- to me. Controlling for all the ways in which anyone could, or would, pronounce a word seems AB impossible task.
@Sinoxa2
@Sinoxa2 Год назад
"Less ambiguousness" - are you seriously not going to correct that to "less ambiguity" ?
@sirrandalot
@sirrandalot Год назад
Damn, I knew there was a shorter word I was looking for ... But you understood me anyways so at least it wasn't ambiguous ;)
@CameraCombo
@CameraCombo 10 месяцев назад
Any attempt at making English simpler will result in it being more complicated with even more exceptions. Sorry.
@eliweinman1904
@eliweinman1904 6 месяцев назад
true, if you change the alphabet you will need to fix the spelling of words, which seems simple enough but then you find more and more problems, though i think a simpler english alphabet (utilises more accent marks to distinguish different letter sounds) and a spelling reform would be amazing, the likelihood of that being feasible to do seems quite difficult though i definitely think it is possible just will take a lot of work.
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