Since this is being asked in the comments I’m currently planning to do the following comparison “vs” videos for the Takumi Sen 10; - TS10 vs Adios 9 - TS10 vs Deviate Nitro 3 - TS10 vs Streakfly 2 (Obviously when all those shoes release). - TS10 vs Vaporfly Next% 2 (given some recent elite half marathon results this seems like an apt comparison and I have an almost new pair of VF2 in US Men’s 9.5)
I own the DVN2 MS & DVN2 Elite MS. Great trainers that you can use on race day as well. Lots of bounce & springy underfoot. Though the Elite seems more balanced, and dialed in for shorter distances for me. The DVN2 I think is great, and better for longer distances. Though feels a little unstable at times, especially on uneven surfaces. For further context, I tend to pronate on one foot more then the other. 🦶
Fantastic review. You have become my go to reviewer due to the thorough, precise analysis you do on every shoe. All very important infos, super informative videos. Keep up the great work and I wish your channel to getting much more recognition!!
Hey Chris, as always an "exceptionally well" review ;D . You are the Kelvin Kiptum of running shoe reviewers, you came out of nowhere last year and the depth, usefulness and Quality of your videos is second to none. So thank you for that and I will catch you in the next one
Only do 5k racing been training with Nike streakflys on my second pair now and race with Puma fast R which in February got my PB with , but Takumis sen is one I been curious to try maybe even for race day. Will wait for a good coupon or sale once they are available. Thank you for all the great detailed reviews 💯
Thank you, I have been waiting for detailed (video) review of TS10. I love my TS9 to bits. Fast, nimble and feels so so natural to my biomechanics. Super shoe, but relies little more on your own body. Have logged around 200km on them (including Half Marathon PB and 5k&10k races). I ordered TS10 (Ekiden colourway) for my upcoming HM race in May and I will continue to use TS9 for speed workouts.
This was really helpful! I followed your advice on sizing, and I’m so glad I did. The size 10 was perfect for me, even though I’ve always worn 9.5 for Asics and Saucony. And your first impressions seem spot on so far. Thank you!
Awesome vid! I can feel your excitement on TS10. Absolutely enjoy my TS9 for all my speed workouts on the track. It has been with me for nearly 280K. I will get a pair of TS10 for my next season of training.
I always seem to gravitate towards your reviews more than any other, especially as they have more substantive, relevant information in less time. Anyway, I agree with much of what you said. The upper is way better than that unforgiving plastic on the 9. This one, though, seems so have lost some of its springy pop. I love this shoe series because, as an ex-sprinter, I like to feel the ground, and the squishy, foamy shoes seem to be less reactive. All things being equal, I think the 10 is better in that it's way more comfortable. I just miss that explosiveness from the 9 and the 8. If you come across anything else like that, please let us know. Great work on the channel!
Interesting. I find the full length Energy rods in the TS10 much more explosive off of the toe. But, I'm not coming from sprinting. I can see how the construction of the 8/9 would be favorable to a sprinters forefoot strike, the forefoot rods would be much more dynamic for your running style. Thank you for the kind words on the channel. I appreciate hearing that. 🤙🏻
Finally some in-depth analysis of running shoes for "serious" runners. Instead of looking at legs spinning (see other shoe tubers) we can at least get some insight into the shoe's tech. Takumi Sen 10 seems much more versatile than 9 - I'll give it a try. Cheers
As I said… lots of small changes add up to a big update. It’s very very good and exciting for what else Adidas has coming in 2024. I’m glad my content is hitting the mark. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunningPlus I'll be very interested in your VF2 Next% vs TS10 comparison: the reason is I recently compared TS9 vs VF2 Next% over 400-800m repeats and found that TS9 was slightly more demanding in terms of both average heart rate and normalized power at exactly the same repetition pace(s): the conclusion I drew was that energy roads weren't as helpful (at least for me) as a full length carbon plate. Now with the description you gave of TS10 , it seems to me they're moving closer to a full plate (perhaps loosing a bit of shoe nimbleness) and I'd expect the efficiency of the shoe to increase. Cheers
I’ve had the same feelings and data in the past… I’m curious about how they match up right now… especially since the TS10 and the VF2 (not the 3) seem to be going head to head in elite level half marathons… at least those the Evo 1 isn’t winning.
@@SagasuRunningSpot on (!) - Looking very much forward for your video and yes.. in Europe yesterday we got the new 10K Record (Gressier) at 27.07 ... still with VF2 Next% and 3-rd best 10K time with Evo 1..
one hint i can give to every person who works with UK or US sizing is - always look at the EU size or the length given by the manufacturer. I used to by UK 9 for everything until i realised 9 on puma is 43, 9 on nike is 44, 9 on adidas is 43 1/3.
Hey mate, i recently picked up the takumi sen 10 and it has been everything I've been looking for. Ive not been a runner since my early 20s (some time ago) and have found max stack shoes so difficult to adjust to. I finally feel that ground contact I've been looking for. Love your channel. Thanks again
I'm happy to hear this. Keep an eye out for the Adidas Adios 9 releasing this year. It's going to be even more of what you are looking for and should be a great companion to the TS10.
@SagasuRunning thanks mate, will do. I've been doing my daily runs in novablast 3s and whilst I think they're a good shoe, they feel huge! I turn corners like a mac truck. I'll have to look into the adios 9s when they come out.
Sold😂 Pleased to hear they have addressed the heel counter rub issues , I shyd away from the brand after issues with the prime x strung upper . This being more versatile I would buy now Great review 🙌🏼
The heel counter is much nicer on the Achilles. I’ve had no issues with it as of yet and I’m near 50miles in the shoe. Overall I’m still impressed, if not a little more now.
This year I spent the first two months doing all types of training with the takumi sen 8, and I really enjoyed it, in addition to having a great recovery, recently I have been taking turns with the deviate nitro 2, it helps me not to train hard when I have to weak, apart from the fact that it saves more on adidas. Thanks for the review, if I buy this version 10, it will be a bigger size.
Those changes to the heel design is nice to see. I always felt the Takumi Sen was a great shoe with WAY more range than people gave it credit for. I know I can take the shoe to race the half marathon. And use it for faster efforts, working to reduce my cadence and overall foot strength. I only have 380km on my Takumi Sen8's but seems like the 10 might be worth the upgrade once I feel my V8's are ready for retirement or maybe earlier...I have 8 weeks left on my current marathon block, but then I want to throw in a mini 5k/10k block ahead of my Chicago build and this upgrade might become a huge part of that block. Great content as always!
I’m glad you saw this. It was our conversation in the comments of another video that got me to be so specific with this video and the heel… because I know there were some impactful changes to the design.
Always impressed how you can find so many changes between two versions of a shoe that appear to be more or less the same and indeed I got that sort of vibe from other reviews have seen. Can't speak from experience on the 10 as adidas seem to have got "bored" again making larger sizes so have never see it in a UK 13.5/US 14 and curiously adidas UK have always shown the very rare UK 13/US 13.5 and UK 14/US 14.5 as greyed out. I did have the 9 and indeed did find it "niche". It was kind of shoe I put to do some intervals but thought yeah this is fine but really offers nothing tangible over Vaporflys. I did sort of by accident take it out for 15 miles last summer as I did a long warm up, a long serious of intervals and then rather stupidly did about another 10K warm down and the ankle niggle I had the time got really bad and not worn them since. As such even if the 10 did come out in my size, I am not sure other than FOMO what would use it for although great to hear it is better than the Boston 12 so, for me, would save almost 100g :) Oh and sizing is "odd". I see on adidas UK they even say to go up 0.5 but the customer reviews put the sizing squarely as "perfect". At least for my narrow feet the 9 fits well and I would say "TTS". I did try the 8 a whole size down before passing on and maybe that one was a fraction "long" so just about got away with it. From what you are saying the 10 could effectively fit a whole size less than the 8 then ? How shoes fit is interesting. By and large (if you can take it out) the insole of a shoe is exactly as the advertised cm size (for me 32.0 versus my actual 30.2 cm) but often adjustments don't seem to made enough for a padded or not tongue or a stiffer or baggy toe bumper which obviously impacts the effective length. Worse for me was a UA shoe which had so much heel padding it threw way too way forward.
I mean… that is sort of what I do here on my channel. Observe details other people don’t mention… The Takumi Sen feels like a separate groups, outside of the main Adizero team, handles it. The size for Adizero shoes is consistent, the last is similar and the fit is similar… then the Takumi Sen happens and it is always different. Not sure what is going on there.
What a TS10 should offer over a Vaporfly is that it costs half as much and the Lightstrike Pro midsole should have substantially longer useful life. On the other hand it is probably notably heavier. I can’t see choosing to race anything over half marathon (or even a half) in a Takumi Sen 8/9/10 if you had a Vaporfly/Alphafly or Endorphin Pro/Elite, or Metaspeed Paris. It does sound like maybe Adidas has developed a modern materials shoe that works like a really good old school flat. And if so, that’s a fun and useful training tool. That is if they will stock your size.
@@SagasuRunning ha ha true on the differences. I have "struggled" there myself of late with say the Novablast 3/4 and Speed 3/4. Not really enough noticeable for me to think I can't run in that one but can in this one etc etc. I guess the other thing with these supposed 5K "race" shoes is that in my shoeoff tests to date never found they offer me any real advantage whatsoever over the higher stacked ones. Perhaps why of late that, if in doubt, just reach for a Vaporfly for a relatively fast outing. You seem to be pitching this as much as a "tempo" trainer than an actual race shoe as seems to fit you a lot better.
@brianreiter5572 I think that is right. The 9US VF3 is 6.5oz and the 9.5US TS10 is 7.1 (US9 is likely 6.9 or 7.0) so the TS10 is slightly heavier… but it would be hard to notice unless you had one on each foot. The TS10 has better grip and doesn’t get in the way with the rocker like the VF2 could. For a 5/10k it would be a tough call which to pick. For a half I would pick the rocketed shoe, definitely. Though I could run a half in the TS10 no problem. I think for training, any run up to 25k should be fine in the TS10. Any longer I’ll just go up to a race shoe.
Another awesome review. I totally agree with you...the Sen 9 is fast but the upper is brutal to your feet. I ran a Pb of 37:20 on a 10k race in october last year. I am an insanely heel striker. I think the Sen 10 could help me to improve this time even more. I absolutely love each of your videos. They are unique. 🔥
The TS10 is very pleasant to heel strike in. I don’t go into this in the video (I already had alot to cover)… but the redesigned lateral rail on the midsole/outsole really captures your foot much better and moves the foot to center to engage the tech of the shoe and the forefoot. It very well could be the shoe to help you improve. Thank you for the support! 🤙🏻
Although this may not come to everyone mind, how does this compare to 1. Boston 12 2. Adios Pro 3 For speed training, in term of : 1. How it fit initially 2. How much rocker it gives 3. How it works during the run 4. How it feels afterwards. I heard they saying TS10 may let your feet feels a bit more worked afterwards. Let say a 2k intervals training.
Stay tuned for my video on Thursday. I plan on getting into this topic a bit, at least some aspects. There is a slight chance I may make it a stand alone video, if that is the case it will go up on Friday.
I also had to go 1/2 size up when I tried the Takumi 10. When running on the treadmill I felt a poking pain in the arch of my foot, most noticeable on the right foot when I went true to size, going up by 1/2 size the pain went away. I didn't notice this when standing and just walking around the store when I did the fitting. I also didn't have this problem on the Takumi 9 so I would recommend going to a physical store when buying this shoe, preferably a store with a treadmill. I prefer the ride of the 9 better than the 10 but yes the upper on the 10 was way better specially when you take time dialing in the lacing. Also by removing the stitching on the heel tab allows it to flex more, alleviating any rubbing on the Achilles tendon.
I’m glad I’m not alone with the sizing. It was a shock to me. Interesting you prefer the 9. I put the 9s on when I was peeping this video, just around my little office, and they felt so flat compared to the 10s. The heel contentions dismounted to me and a feeling I did remember.
Great thorough review! As a Boston 12 fan I will add this to my list of shoes to try once it is available in the USA. I Just finished a 10 Mile in the Edge Paris and it has a lot more in common with the VF3 than the Edge+ so much so that I don’t see a need to own both the VF3 and Edge Paris. Fit is snug in the toe box on the Edge Paris but no discomfort or rubbing with the upper. Same tongue as the Edge/Sky+ that you have to align perfectly but great lockdown with the same laces as the previous version. There is a little more padding in the heel. The midsole feels like it is pushing up on my arch but very cushiony. It does not get me up on my toes like the VF2 did or push me forward as much as the Edge+. It is the lightest of the 3 but seems to have the most cushioning. Not much lateral support and you can really notice it on uneven pavement or going over any divets in the road. Grip was great even on corners it was a dry day. The colorway is more of a Traffic Cone Orange than a Sunrise Red in person 😂
The Edge Paris is a great shoe and the TS10 pairs very well with it. I do think there is a reason to own a VF3 still. They are different shoes, with much overlap, but have different pluses (see my “vs”). Agree on the traffic cone colorway. Color correcting any video with the Paris series is a challenge. Even worst than the like green Novablast 4!
Always love your videos! I like how you add extra depth to your reviews. You should look into the topo cyclone I use that very similarly to how you described using the takimi sen 10.
It’s on my list of shoes to look at…. It if I get to it this year it won’t be until when I’m in the states. I’ve never once seen them here in Taiwan. I’m also a little on the fence about the “natural shaped” toe box. After years of barefoot shoes I know it’s something I really don’t like. Thank you for the kind words on my content! 🤙🏻
Based of your review I bought Adios 8 and REALLY enjoeyd it, I smashed my 10K PB last weekend and It´s great, I originally wanted Takumi sen 8/9 but I just have bit wider foot and it didn´t worked unfortunatelly, so this new gen of Takumi might be the answer? by the way you´re doing such a good job with these reviews
The TS10 is still fairly narrow. The last of the A8 is wider and the fit of that shoe, overall, is more generous. However, if you are really curious about the TS… this may be one to try again in a half size up and see how it feels. It may work. I’ll be doing some comparisons between the TS10 and the A9 once I have both… and really seeing how the two new models overlap or compete with one another. Thank you for the kind words on the channel. I hope to keep your interest and support longterm! 🤙🏻
I decided to take the plunge on the TS10, half size up..on mu regular size, the stiff upper around the big right toe area pinched into the base of my big toe when it’s flexed…and I’m targeting a 10K PR within the next 3-4 months..we’ll see
Great review as always. Sounds like this shoe might finally out Adios the Adios. I have the Takumi 8 and see it as a 'fast only' option, with my Adios 8s as the more 'swiss army knife' workout shoe. But it seems like the Takumi 10 might be the one shoe to replace both within my rotation.
Possibly. I still find the Adios 8 more all around… and I expect the Adios 9 to be a big upgrade from there. We shall see. I’ll definitely be doing alot of TS10 to A9 comparisons to see where the shoes fit and how (if) they work together.
Great review! It sounds like the upgrades to the TS10 are pretty significant. Especially with the fit, rods & versatility. I am looking at the Boston 12 as well. When I tried on the Boston 12, my first impression was that it was very stiff. I am interested in trying on the TS10 to see how it feels. I also wonder how the durability will be on the TS10 since that Continental rubber is only on certain parts of the outsole. Thanks!
While the TS10 uses the exact same rods and material as the B12 it is slightly less stiff given it has less foam in it and uses only LSP and no LS2.0. Also, I believe the outsole on the TS10 is all Continental rubber, included the lateral strip and in the heel. It’s a similar compound to what you find on the Adios Pro 3.
When I was fitting this one on the store, it felt the same way like the version 9. That's why I was hesitant to buy it. It's interesting to know that it has Energyrods 2.0. The website just said energy rods but they didn't say any version. I'll probably get this one when it is on sale already.
I see you are coming around to my way of thinking in which the “tempo trainer” like the Boston 12 has no purpose. I would rather use an Adios Pro 3 for any long run I might have used a Boston 12 for and a TS Eliot or even an Adios 8 for any easy days. I’m still on my second pair of Takumi Sen 8 which I use along with the Adios 8 for workouts. I never had the 9 and like the Boston 11 I’m not convinced it was an upgrade. There was an outsole glue defect in the blue first pair I had and the lateral heel on one side delaminated during a hilly half marathon. I ended up trimming the rubber back but this was almost entirely cosmetic. The Takumi Sen is a strange range. It went from being a Japanese low-drop forefoot strike marathon shoe to unavailable to kind of a cross country specialist and then a detuned Adios Pro. The TS 7 was an interesting design with the cool Japanese plastic knobs outsole but very, very harsh and niche - even more so than an Adios 7. I really like the Takumi Sen 3 as an all-around shoe but it became unobtainable for me and I moved on to the Streak 6 and stayed in that as my go-to until Nike stopped making them. When I first got the Takumi Sen 8 I thought it was going to be a new Streak 7. But it didn’t work out that way. There are subtle weirdnesses that relegate it to a workout or race shoe for me. I find the midsole is kind of wobbly in certain situations - which I think is the sensation of collapse you describe. The Lightstrike Pro needs tweaked stabilization. Maybe they have cracked it and settled into something more like a modernized performance all-rounder like a Saucony Speed. For some reason the Takumi Sen 10 is out of stock in 13US in the US market. I’m excited to move on to the TS10 this spring or summer when they restock in new colorways.
I’ve been in your way of thinking for a while. I just was enjoying the B12 this year. I’m not typically one who likes to have a “tempo shoe” as I’d rather just do that in my face shoe. I never had any of the older Takumi Sens, they were always mythical to me. I ran in Adios and Boston (and Streaks) frequently… but Takumi Sen/Ren was never available in the US. I did hold the TS3 in my hand once while in Japan at an Adidas store… but I was a cyclist back then and could justify buying it. I used to run with someone back in Brooklyn who ran in the TS7. I was always amazed at them… that was when I thought of the Nike Turbo as a cushioned shoe and the Streak 7 was my daily shoe. He had two pairs and would alternate them. He also had a Boston 5 that was his “recovery” shoe… I was jealous of those too as by then the pair I had of them was long gone. The TS10 rollout has been very odd, as has all Adidas releases in 2024. Very hot or miss and country dependent.
Yeah the Boston 12 for me also does serve limited purpose. It is fairly heavy in my size too which kind of defeats the point for me of a "tempo trainer". Agree for a long run would choose an Adios Pro 3 over it but I guess if the Adios Pro 3 was my actual race shoe might then not want to use it too often unless that long run had elements of harder bits. I had one "older" Takumi Sen but recall it came up really short so back when adidas only went up to a size less than I now take anyway a shoe 1.5 to 2 sizes too small was a non starter. That said it made the regular Adios look "max stack" which we now think of as a pure racing flat when really it was that period's attempt at a marathon racing shoe.
So glad I’ve found this channel. I’ve been running for a year now. Started with Nike Vomero17 but I’ve had the Adidas Boston 12 for a few weeks now and I absolutely LOVE them! So different and in my opinion much better than Nike! I was wondering what these ones are like compared with the B12s?
The V17 and B12 are very different shoes. The V17 is a cushioned trainer and the B12 is a performance trainer. The TS10 is a race shoe, specifically for 5/10ks, very stripped down and fast. Not a shoe for casual running. You could look at a rotation of V17/B12/TS10, from trianer to racer...but again only if you are specifically racing 5/10ks. I hope there will be plenty on this channel that helps you on your running journey. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning Thank you kindly. I’m intrigued by the ST10 only because I’m delighted with my B12 purchase. They have exceeded my expectations and the comfort whilst running is brilliant. Just thought these may be better and might be an option in my rotation
If you are that into the B12 and the feel/tech… consider the Adios Pro 3. That is the actual upgrade from the B12 and since rhe AP4 is imminent…. You can likely find a good deal somewhere in the AP3…. It’s a super shoe I would recommend everyone own/tey. It’s quite special. Even as your first super shoe… I have a video going live tomorrow where all talk a bit more about this and other super shoe topics .
I was able to get these on sale in the US because I needed a lower stack dedicated tempo and speed trainer. Debating on keeping this shoe or waiting for the Peg Plus or Topo Specter 2. I like this shoe for speed work way more than the Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 I find lightstrike pro resilient and bouncy for speed work as a bigger runner. So far I also like the Takumi Sen 10 more than the Adidas Pro 3 for pure speed days because I like the ground feel while still feeling good cushioning
The TS10 is a different shoe than the Peg Plus of Top Specter 2. It's a modern race flat, focused on speed (as you can see) for racing and workout. The other shoes you mentioned are more tempo trainers....made for more general running with some speed in it.
Another great review, thank you! Do you think the TS9/10 is comparable to the Magic Speed 3 in terms of running feel? I prefer firmer shoes with a feeling of bounce and not so much squish... love Alphaflys and Adios Pro 3 but don't really get on well with Vaporflys as an example!
I liked the MS3 but FFBlast+ is not on the same level with Lightstrike Pro. The TS10 is on a completely different level now. That being said, there is almost no bounce in the TS10 (or this style of shoe)… no squish either but no bounce like a AF (which is so squishy) or a AP3 (which rolls and bounces).
@@SagasuRunning that’s interesting, thank you. My favourite shoes I’ve owned have been the TS9, AP3 and the Alphafly1. I’m trying to understand what common traits those 3 share to inform my future shoe purchases. Adidas uppers don’t work for me so I’m hesitant to keep going back even though the foam works for me. Shame really! Thank you for putting out this kind of in depth content, it’s useful and most importantly different from others 👍
The only common thread between those three shoes would be being lightweight. There are no similarities between the TS and the AF otherwise. Adidas uppers have been rough the past few years. However, 2024 seems to be a year of change. Softer materials that are better conforming and accommodating to the foot. They will be worth a second look… especially if you like LSP. Puma uses a similar foam too, Nitro foam is the same compound as LSP… and Puma uppers are much more accommodating. The Deviate Nirro 2 (soon 3) maybe be worth a look too. I’m glad my content is useful. 🤙🏻
Great review, I have a wide midfoot. Boston 12 just OK. Adidas Pro 3 perfect.. But I got the Sen 8 and no way.. My midfoot was going over the side of the shoe. Just like a Hoka shoe. Did they widen the midfoot (platform) in Sen 10?
Nice review! I have a question: I have the TS8 and the Adios Pro 3, and I find that the AP3 works better for 10k than the TS8, I feel the TS8 "gives you" less energy return, so you can keep the pace easily with the AP3 than with the Takumi. Do you feel this is the same with the TS10? Would you choose the TS10 over the AP3 for a 10k race?
Likely, I would pick the AP3 (or a VF3) to race a 10k over the TS10. It depends on the course though. As I said in the video… the geometry of the midsole isn’t help you in the TS10. The shoe responds to you and works with you… but it’s not helping you like a rocker thick super shoe. It’s a different running stimulus and is one I miss often when all shoes seem to be max stack and rocketed. The TS10, while improved, is fundamentally the same as the TS8/9.
Unlikely, they are totally different shoes. I do have some “vs” planned for the TS10, you can find the list I’m thinking about in the comments a few times here. Stay tuned.
Another outstanding review. The one concern I have about this shoe is that I've seen quite a few comments about tendency to pronate, especially at easier paces which you mentioned are possible in this model 10. Not sure if that pronation comes from the rods. the midsole cut-out or maybe from people heel striking when the shoe has "forefoot bias" as you say. Do you experience any of that tendency to pronate?
I did. The lateral rail on the midsole design, that long lateral piece of rubber basically…. Does pitch the foot inward a bit, especially in the first 10-15k. Once the shoe broke in and softened up/conformed to my foot I no longer noticed it at any pace.
Very exciting! I currently run in EU 44 2/3 (10.5 US - Men) Boston 12 M and quite enjoying them! What size do you reckon I should get for these? Thanks! 😇🤙
The modern adidas flimsy heel counter really baffles me..I always love the firm heel counter of the older adios..it gives me more confidence with my foot stride and toe off..I hope adidas slowly return to the old design
I wouldn’t hold your breath, at least on Adizero shoes. If anything it looks like Adidas heel counters are going to get even more minimal in the short term. That’s why the subtle changes to the TS10 heel counter are so important. Speaking as someone who never has heel lockdown issues and likes a more minimal heel counter… the TS10 offers a nice package of minimal with secure heel hold and overall shoe feel.
I like the takumi but the 8 and 9 versions fit terribly and gave me blisters in the arch of my left foot, even after changing laces and insole. I'm not taking the risk again with the 10.
Good review and has me considering the 10. I have the 9 and also had some discomfort in the shoe that I couldn't explain initially but using some Boots padded strapping tape behind the tongue and the inner ankle at the top has it feeling decent. I've enjoyed it for longer runs with intervals (eg 13.8 with 7 x 2000, 1000 rec yesterday) given they're fast but are as cushioned as my standard training shoes (Altra Rivera 2) Not sure it's faster for 5k than the Reebok Floatride RunFast Pro though based on progressive runs I've done and the data from them. Will be interested in the data comparison between the 9 and 10 if you do one.
I don’t think I’ll run in the TS9 again… mostly because I don’t want to put it on my foot ever again. I will be doing some “vs” videos with a few other shoes this year for the TS10 (Adios 9, Deviate Nitro 3, Streakfly 2, etc) and will look at data there. I’m also considering doing a TS10 vs VF2 vs too… as that seems to be 5k/10k matchup of the moment right now.
@@SagasuRunning I forgot that I'd also changed the laces to a pair of NB laces from some old LD5000 spikes. The laces are slightly elasticated (not like proper elastic laces but they have some give). That's probably made a big difference to how the upper works for me and I remember when I changed them, the shoe felt different just wearing them in the house. I'm generally happy with the 9 for training now. Vs standard shoes it isn't stable (not one I'd want to run in with lower leg niggles as I found a few weeks back) so if the 10 was faster and more stable, I'd look at that in the future. Will be interesting to see if Adidas runners stick with the 9 or move to the 10. I was interested to see the Women's 10k record was set in the 9 just after the 10 came out.
Another beautiful review. Anything on the adidas agravic speed ultra? Apparently 2 layers of LS pro or possibly a new compound with energy rods for the trails!
I believe it’s just standard LSP, though the rods are similar to the material found on the midfoot shank/rods on the Adios 8. Also I think the rods are two “fingers” on the lateral and medial sides. That’s all I have seen. We don’t get these models, at all, here in Taiwan… so I will need to wait until I’m in the states to check them out. Thank you for the support! 🤙🏻
Currently unknown… but I’d expect them to be on par, if not better than any other super shoe. Lightstrike Pro is generally really durable and has a good range. The one limiter on these is the outsole rubber on the lateral side… it’s very thin… other than that these should last a while. I’m definitely going to put as much time as I can into mine this year to see.
Oh how I miss the original Rebel. Sadly that series is now done. The TS10 is “more” shoe, given the firmness of the platform… but yes I get similar vibes sometimes in them.
Size 9 UK, now 8.5 in the TS10, same size in the Adios Pro 3 and the Adios 8. Unfortunately I got the Boston in size 9, they are usable but I wish I went with 8.5. I literally have no space in the midfoot in the TS9 despite the size, it might be due to the different lacing as you highlighted in the video
@TheMassif Interesting. I don’t know what to say. I actually tried on two pairs of 9s and 9.5s, because I was so shocked how off the sizes were… and both pairs fit the same. The 9.5 was the “9” for my foot. So odd.
It’s definitely not a daily trainer. If you went the lower stack trainer companion to the AP3 look at the Adios 8. That’s the one you want to use as a daily trainer.
Adizero laces are the absolute worst, across all Adizero shoes, they are the same. I'm just used to them now. Lace bite and coming undone are classic problems. I always double knot every shoe, Adidas Adizero or not....
For you, given what you told me, yes. I have about 15-20 pounds on you and would consider it for a HM. It's fast and agile with enough protection. Not sure it's faster than a VF ot MSEP for me...but it would be an option I would consider.
If you are looking for a faster trainer, yes, it's a good choice. However, if you are looking for a daily trainer....I wouldn't recommend (I don't advocate training 100% in plated shoes).
Boston 12… that’s what it is for. A training companion to your race shoe. Out of curiosity… what shoe are you racing in? Thank you for the kind words. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning Thanks, Chris. I'm still building my shoe rotation. I currently have the Invincible 3 and Pegasus 39. I use the Pegasus for interval sessions and the Invincible for long run. I'm thinking of replacing the Pegasus and not sure if the TS10 or Boston 12 would be a better replacement. Based on reviews the B12 would carry me through training and the race, is that accurate?
@xhanmournindustries is keep the peg as your daily training and Invincible as your easy day shoe. You can add the B12 as a tempo shoe and long run shoe. What will you race in?
@@SagasuRunning I currently have no idea yet as to what my race day shoe will be to be honest. Got any recommendations for me, Chris? I'm still a bit new in running (about a year in) and I'm not a really fast runner.
decided to buy this finally for my speed training and my shoe will arrive tomorrow, one question I had is its durability, does it has same durability like Adios Pro3 or Boston 12?
I’m m only about 70k into mine, I only really use them for workouts at the moment. So far I’m not noticing much wear and they seem similar to the AP3. The B12 is a tank and has much better wear over both, as you’d expect from a trainer.
Hi Chris @SagasuRunning, next month I will be running a 10k for the first time. Currently I already have Superblast and Adizero Pro 3. Because I plan to wear Adizero Pro 3 when race day... So I want to add one more shoe for daily training. And the Boston 12 which I am currently monitoring, with the aim of getting used to the Adizero Pro 3 during the race. or are there any other recommendations Chris..thank you
The AP3 is a very durable shoe. I’d train in that shoe to get used to racing in it. You really don’t need a 3rd shoe. If you really want a 3rd shoe the B12 is your best bet here, it’s closest in feel to the AP3…. But tie also very close to the SB.
Would you recommend this for a 14km races up to maybe half marathon? I’ve been enjoying the adios 8 for training and have been looking at these or the adios pro 3
One of my daily runs is a 10min/16k loop… which I’ve done comfortably in this shoe multiple times. I would consider this for a half… though likely would opt for the Metaspeed Edge Paris of Adios Pro 3.
I’m not huge fan of the 9. I bought it for intervals but its mid sole is hard and the upper not great, pinches my toes, hard to get the tongue to lay flat. Not used the 10 though
Hi, Boston 12 is my first pair of adidas running shoes. My feet are very wide, so I like them very much, but I think they are a bit high from the ground, and they are too soft and not stable enough. I would like to know if Boston 12 wears us9, takumi sen 10 also wear the same size? Is the tongue as easy to move as the Boston 12? Thanks!
As I said in the video, you should size up a half size. However, I wouldn’t recommend the TS10 for anyone with wide feet. It is a very narrow race for shoe. The TS10 is much better than the TS8/9… but it’s still not a wide shoe. I wear a US 9 in major shoes, including all Adidas shoes, and I had to size up to a US 9.5 in the TS10. Also, if you find the B12 soft (which I can’t think of anyone I’ve ever heard describe it as such)… the Takumi Sen will feel even softer as it is all Lightstrike Pro. You may want to look at Brooks shoes as they have firmer foams or look at Saucony as they are generally have more stable models (but much softer than Adidas).
I tried this on the other day and there was something hard pushing up on the bottom part of the outside of my mid foot. I noticed the outside of my mid foot was spilling over the side so I guess it’s just too narrow on the outside of the mid foot for me or maybe some type of weird arch support in the wrong place. I’ve never noticed this on any other shoe.
Hey brother! So I just got myself a Boston 12 and a Prime X2 in a mens size 8, going all put either adidas as my training combo for the year, need a fast shoe for 5k’s, do you think I should go half a size up from my mens size 8 in the prime x 2 and Boston 12? Also how much of a difference would you think it would make to use a takumi for a 5k vs the Boston? Worth the investment?
Other important details: I run a 21 min currently, plan to train down to a 19 (been out of the sport for a while) weigh 190 so bigger runner, low stack shoes can be a turn off for me at times due to my size.
I don't run in the Prime X, but I had to go up .5 size from the B12 to get a similar fit in the TS10. The TS10 is considerably faster than the B12 for 5k speeds.
So I'm curious, will the Takumi Sen 10 be durable enough to be not just for 5K-10K racing but also for trackwork, speed interval-work, fastest mile where you don't need another shoe like the upcoming Adios 9 (or Adios 8 for a better example)?
You can definitely do all of that with it and it should be totally fine, it is Conti rubber and LSP after all. However, I do see the TS10 as a true road racing shoe. It does all of that in the road. No reason you can’t bring it on the track… but there I’d rather have the flexibility of the Adios. I’ll be comparing them both heavily when the Adios 9 comes out and see if you need both or just one. Stay tuned.
@@SagasuRunning I see, for me when it comes to doing interval repeats on a track indoors or out I need speed shoes that are lower-stacked than marathon-racing super shoes but still have enough cushion for me to not have sore feet after doing those workouts like the Takumi Sen 10 when compared to the Adios. I appreciate what you said and it's helpful for me to figure out my rotation for my next training cycle.
Keep an eye out for the Adios 9 coming out in a few more the. That may be the shoe you want. It is substantial redesign from the Adios 8, which was already an excellent shoe.
No… it’s a super shoe, a racer, not a trainer. The Adios is now the successor to the old Bostons… If Adidas ever resurrect the Takumi Ren, which was the trainer to the Sen, then maybe… but I don’t expect that to happen.
Depends on what you are trying to do. The VF3 is good for any distance. The TS10 is suited best for 5/10k maybe a half. On the shorter end the TS10 has an advantage and on the longer end the VF3 does.
Felt this one in store and the upper felt much softer than B12 despite looking quite similar. I had very bad blisters on the metatarsal (big toe knuckle) in B12 but no issues in AP3 (skipped the first pair of eyelets). How would you compare TS10's upper softness vs B12 and AP3?
Softer than the B12. But the B12 is a proper training fit so overall the upper is more generous. if the B12 gave you blisters on the toe knuckle this one may too. It is lightyears softer than the AP3 and a MUCH MUCH better upper overall. Better fit and better on the foot. I think the TS10 has the best Adizero upper since the older, pre Adios Pro, Adios models.
The AP4 has an upper much more similar to the current Evo 1… at least cosmetically. I’m unsure if it is actually the same material or not. The upper material on the Evo 1 conforms to the foot but it’s very no give again… we shall see.
My foot was us 9.5, fit perfectly with prime x strung, confusing fit with the boston 12 us 9.5 which a lot of movement inside the shoe, going up to us 10 for takumi sen 10
@@SagasuRunning the us 9.5 prime x strung and us 10 takumi sen 10 fit perfectly for me, great lockdown from the first, nice fit, totally safe n sound, but the fit of us 9.5 boston 12 very confusing me, i need to wear thicker socks and lace it really tight to get secure lockdown but need to deal with the present lace bite, definately not a daily trainer for me, just bought asics superblast for replace it position as daily trainer
I’ve never run in the Prime X, but can confirm the lockdown and fit of the TS10, a half size up from my normal size, is excellent. I wear a US 9 in the Boston 12, Adios 8 and Adios Pro 3 and all fit as expected. Though the upper on the AP3 is awful the sizing is correct. If anything the B12 is a little long, but for a trainer it’s good.
For your unique use case… I could see it, however I think you’d be better off in the Adios 8. You don’t need the energy rods in the Takumi Sen. However the torsion system in the Adios 8 will be good for you for daily running.
Can anyone enlighten me if I’m a size 11 in the Boston 12 what size would I be in the takumi sen 10? Gonna order online and no stores near me have them in stock
Not just that…. It’s also a race for. A very minimal upper. A midsole made for forward motion…. Not for side to side movements of pivots…. This is not the shoe you want. Trust me.
@@Animejook Same issues... you don't want performance race or training shoes for casual of PE type class wear. If you want adidas trainers...look at the Adizero SL2, Adistar, Duramo, or Supernova Stride.
this shoe is disappointing, not only is it not fast, it also don't have the comfort of the streakfly, the lacing system jabs the top of my toe as well. 😢
I find this shoe exceptionally fast, the low stack and lack for significant rocker make it optimal for very fast running. Yes, Adizero laces are bad. All Adizero shoes (except the SL) have the same thin laces than can dig into the top of your foot. However, you eventually learn how to deal with them.
Ya… I don’t get why Adizero laces are just so bad. I get they are going for lightweight and minimal… but there are better materials they can use. Both Nike and Asics have figured out how to make lightweight and good laces for their race shoes. Interesting the laces in the Supernova Rise are very good and would be an upgrade to many Adizero laces…
@@SagasuRunning saw the leak photo of the pro 4 seems like similar laces to the previous gen or the evo 1, why can't the use the laces from the terrex? Laces which is very similar to the metaspeed, Vaporfly etc.
