Adios Pro 3 vs Adios 7 Shoeoff 

Kind of brought back memories of many good races in the Adios 1 and even the pre Boost versions which I think I had two of but hard to remember now. Have you found your Adios 7 have softened a bit since first run? They felt very firm initially but now quite nice. This is the fastest have been in the two shoes (although very similar pace to when tested the Adios Pro 3 vs Alphafly 2) so will be good to see how they do more like race pace than threshold as it were. Always an element in a test like this that any shoe won’t feel great late on when the legs are tired but was surprised how bulky the Adios Pro 3 felt and not in a good way.

@@TimGrose yes Tim, after 50k the Adios 6 and 7 became more comfortable, I love both. In the previous weeks I ran 4 tests in 5k with four different shoes 👞 including the Adios 7, the adios pro 2 the Takumi sen 8 and the Sp20.3. I will do a video and I will compare the running dynamics, let’s see what will be the differences between them but during running I felt only the Sl20.3 less responsive and not helping the rolling motion, let’s see, I’m curious to check the results especially in terms of efficiency

@@runningwithstelvio will look forward to seeing that. I will also look forward to probably now a Takumi Sen 9 in my "TTS". These shoes feel a lot better now I have got a bit of room for my toes up top!

Yeah the regular Lightstrike foam might not be very "exciting" but certainly provides a stable base here in the Adios 7. The 6 and 7 are basically the same shoe but the 7 is just a bit stripped back especially in the heel.

I make odd shout outs to see who is listening :) Yeah I took the Adios Pro 3 out for my Sunday "long" run the other week. I did about 11 miles but it just felt it wanted me to go faster which wasn't really the order of the day. Even though they were a bit short in the 2 in a UK 12.5 I felt they were better for those sort of longish easyish runs. It was weird putting on the Adios Pro 3 after the Adios 7. I was expecting to get a real lift but the reality was actually the reverse. I do need to do a sort of longish tempo run in the Adios Pro 3 as kind of feel adidas have designed it as a long range cruiser but, as you say, the Nike ones are nice to run in for all my paces so something just seems a bit "missing" here. Nice of course to have the right size thought isn't it!

@@TimGrose I’ll be tempted to try the Prime X 2 whenever they come out. Hoping Adidas continues to cater for our excessive feet 😂

@@robwetherell yeah I ran in the Prime X enough to sort of enjoy it but concluded running in shoes that are too short is no “fun”

I have to come realise I like shoes (especially adidas ones) a lot more in my correct size! The original SL20 was a bit short for me (before they did the larger sizes) but I did quite like it - was a bit like the Boston before they beefed it up in the 10 and 11. Of late I have come to a realisation that ultra soft shoes like the Invincible aren't always what I want. The regular Lightstrike is certainly on the firmer side these days and the "Pro" foam although softer isn't overly soft. You might be best to hold out for the Endorphin Pro 3 though. Colours other than pink available (or at least should be) :)

Yeah was surprising. Will have to try Adios 7 off road - might work for a multi terrain parkrun course shoe option if say a Vaporfly was a bit much. Did you get the Adios 7 ?

Thanks! You have some adidas shoes don’t you?

@@TimGrose hi yes Tim and just seen on Strava that I have quite a few Solar Boost together with a couple of STs (stability shoes) in retirement. Found them appropriate for both general runs and parkruns (and to wear post injury too) but they seemed to die out on me at 300 miles. Currently on my third pair of Boston 9s; those fit like gloves and would love another pair tbh - they'll be handy to wear in the autumn + winter. My last two recent parkruns have both been on firm dry forest trails wearing the Adezero Adios 5s - a very versatile shoe as I've also worn them on the track as well as the road. I've also captured a number of segments in Bury Field :-) as well as up in Brickhill Woods wearing the Terrex Speed (I bought those new for £40). Vaporflys and Turbos apart, I'm not really enjoying my Nike's and may revert back to Addidas for general everyday running because of the narrower fit. I'll just add sorry, that I also wore the Adios 5 in a XC race last October with no problems as the ground was too firm for spikes👍😁

Thanks. What happened with the Adios 6 for you? Yeah the Endorphin Pro 3 is the obvious one to include next. I had featured it in both a recent race & an interval session vlog so thought about time to give the adidas ones a go.

@@TimGrose I bought the Adiós 6 due to Ed Budd's fantastic review of the shoe. In fairness I only ran a few miles in the shoe but it just felt 'dead' A full big wedge of light strike pro for my old legs.. love running in the aaapro2 and prime X ❤️

@@lifephorce I never ran far in my Adios 6 as basically they were too small in a UK 12.5 so to get a 13.5 in the Adios 7 was a good start! My first mile in the Adios 7 remember thinking these feel pretty awful as just seemed so firm. However they definitely seemed to have softened up a bit and now feel that the Lightstrike Pro layer is helping to give them some sort of softness and indeed response but the regular Lightstrike layer makes them feel stable and actually reasonably nimble. But yeah compared to modern day high stack super shoes they have more of a racing flat vibe for sure and probably a little niche in this day and age.

Although the Adios 6 wasn't available in the UK 13.5 that managed to get in the adios 7, I did try the Adios 6 in a UK 12.5 and saw enough to feel the 6 and 7 are pretty much the same except the 7 is lighter as loses most of the padding on the heel and tongue. Good they are working out for you and agree would make a good "one shoe" option. TBH I haven't worn the 7 that much largely as I still prefer to use the Vaporfly NEXT% for fast days and today did 19 miles in the Prime X which certainly has "more" cushioning although, in my size, it is a good 100g heavier than the Adios 7.

Ah good times and interesting you are seemingly getting on better with more of a traditional shoe.

Just finished 12 miles at Hayling. Guess it is not baking hot but it felt warm. Still can't complain - it beats wind & rain which am sure will be back soon. Guess high chance Berlin Marathon day will be warm (as it was last year) so may as well be prepared as it were. You should be able to get a 35% discount with the Adios 7. Maybe not a shoe one "needs" but I have some fondness for the line having raced & trained a lot in previous versions for many years and finally they actually fit me now they offer the UK 13.5 !

I guess, at its core, you are watching me do an interval session where I try and give a few thoughts on the shoes am using and/or anything that comes into my head like commenting on what "sights" I see on my route. In this case, the plan was actually quite clear - Matt (my coach) had set me a session of 10 x 1K with 1 min walk rest at my "threshold" pace which at the moment we think equates to about 6:40-6:45 min/mile pace. I just adapted it very slightly to swop shoes half way through. I think if I just wanted to use the "best" shoe for me in a session like this I would probably use the Vaporfly NEXT% everytime. Then again that probably would not make great material for RU-vid as I am not an amazing elite runner that, if I were, people might come to watch my stuff to see how they could aspire to be as good. I also tend to think of myself as a shoe "geek". Clearly nobody "needs" as many shoes as I buy but I enjoy talking about my experiences and if I make anything from these videos it helps, in part, to fund my "hobby". I am also trying to offer a slightly difference perspective. Many RU-vidrs stand in a studio type environment and "review" a shoe often by a physical examination of the shoe and some vague statements about how it supposedly worked (or not) for them when running in them. So another point of the shoeoffs is to set aside what I think might happen and actually see for myself. It was surprise to me here that I effectively got on better with the Adios 7 than the Adios Pro 3 in this session. I would not have known that had I not run in both shoes. If my experience helps see what might work for them so much the better.

@@TimGrose thanks a lot for the explanation of the reasoning

Yeah I would not read too much into the higher HR in the Adios Pro 3 as the first two in them were ever so slightly uphill and whatever wind there not helping plus it was relatively warm and I was starting to "feel" it by then. That all said it did indeed feel "too much shoe". The higher stack and relatively more unstable AP3 felt I was "fighting" the shoe more than I expected. Also on a relatively hot surface the outsole felt was "sticking" a bit to the Tarmac! The Adios 7 is about 275g in a UK 13.5 with the Adios Pro 285g but the Adios 7 felt "lighter" than just that marginal 10g difference. Speed 3 is near identical to the AP3 at 286g. I don't seem to have written down the Endorphin Pro 3 weight. I "think" it is a shade lighter than all of these. Will have to have a weigh in later on and report back!

@@TimGrose Yes, do report back on the Endorphin Pro 3 weight. Also would be itnerested how the Adios Pro 3 compares to the Pro 2 weight.

That's interesting. I probably would not call 1K reps "short" though :) For me that might 400m ones or even less on the track. I ended up running 12.5 miles in this session - 8 of which were in the Adios 7 as ended up doing about 30 mins warm up as felt quite lethargic after playing golf all morning. So I thought would be good to test to see how these shoes might perform in at least a half marathon. Rather surprised by the results.

@@TimGrose short-er? :). I guess it’s all relative. :) I’m thinking that super shoes are more designed for consistent running (tempos/long runs/races) than intervals. Even longer intervals. Love the channel btw. Keep the videos coming!

@@global-runner Yeah for a former 800/1500 specialist 1K reps seem a "long" way LOL! I only had one minute rest in this session and as I spent most of that talking to my GoPro it kind felt like a continuous run. My pace was roughly the same as when did a 2:56 marathon in early 2020 so was thinking would I really want to run a marathon in the Adios Pro 3. Probably not but they did feel OK in some other runs. I have got 8 miles at MP on my plan one day next week so that could be a good opportunity to test that "consistent" running theory in one of the ones have got of late.

@@TimGrose I look forward to seeing how it goes!

Well maybe if you wanted to see if a shoe would actually last that long but few runners are going to want to wear what are essentially race shoes for that long before deciding if they are any good or not and, by then, aren't likely to be optimum for a race anyway. By and large I feel I can tell if I am going to get on well with a shoe after 1 or 2 runs. i feel these ones both "work" but have different feels and different price points.

I've seen Takumi Sen 8's for $140 new and Adios Pro 2's cheaper than $240 new with all the sales on recently

Yeah that price for the Adios 7 would be a hard sell for sure. Checking that is about £140 and the RRP here is £120. However 35% discount codes seem to work which brings it down to only £78 which is very cheap these days for any running shoe especially one I think is decent! Peg 38 and Adios 7 rather different use case for me. Former classic daily trainer, Adios 7 up tempo.

I mentioned on another reply that the Adios 7 is firmer and more stable than the Sen 8 but again it is a hard sell to pay a lot more for the Adios 7. An Adios Pro 2 over a 3 at a lot cheaper price is certainly worth considering.

Not really IMHO. I have raced a full marathon in a previous regular Adios in 2016 and I covered 12.5 miles in this session and was operating at about my current race pace in the 1K reps for at least a half marathon so both shoes I felt should be fine for this purpose and TBH they were. Just was expecting a bit more from the Adios Pro 3. In my size they weigh about more or less the same too.

Ah that's a shame. The tongue in the Adios 7 is really thin with not really any padding at all - kind of the same in the Adios Pro 3. I get quite a lot of folding with the tongue of the Adios Pro 3 but less so in the the Adios 7. Both sort of "work" though if not ideal.

Was actually Garmin power not Stryd so coming via my HR strap. As I mentioned this wasn't an overly scientific test so the findings were largely on feel. That said, the 1st interval in the Adios 7 and the 2nd one (so 7th overall) in the Adios Pro 3 were basically the same course but I was obviously more tired by the 7th one so would expect HR to be higher anyway. The last 2 in the Adios Pro 3 were definitely "harder" terrain as both included a short circuit with a bit of a climb for half way and the last one I certainly "tried" a bit harder anyway.

Will do - maybe next session if can “shoe” it in!

For me it kind of depends how much effort and where I am running. So in a way all of them might work on different days. Today I did 15 miles in the Speed 2 Runshield as wanted to do a bit off road but the effort was easy and they work fine for me at any pace. Not a day for the Adios Pro 3/Prime X for sure nor really the Novablast 3 but could have been if was road only.

@@TimGrose Thank you I am looking specifically for a shoe for those long 25+ long runs when your legs are tired and you want some cushioning and support - for dry road conditions- I had 3 diffferent reccomendations for the shoes i menntioned above - or I could just stick withe the speed 3's 🙂

@@davidzlotnick1899 Speed 3 probably as good as anything. I am always a little perplexed when somebody asks for a shoe to cruise through a very long run like that. It is going to be hard work in anything and always has been especially if you don’t do that sort of run very often. Somebody said to me recently that they can’t run ia marathon in a Speed. I then thought how they could run at all few years ago as they are far more cushioned than anything I raced or training in pre “super” shoes.

Good point. For me personally they don't do a UK 13.5 in a Takumi Sen 8 and getting that size in these 2 Adios shoes confirmed that is the size I need in adidas shoes. I did try the Takumi Sen 8 in a 12.5 and it is good shoe for sure but a bit different feel with the full Lightstrike Pro so yeah whilst adidas adizero shoes can feel quite similar I think the Adios 7 offers a firmer, more stable feel.

Thanks. Generally it was a wide fairly straight road. When got tooted at was quickly crossing the road and maybe should have waited for the car which was almost certainly “speeding” in a 30 mph to pass but saw a gap and went for it but yeah do need to be very careful as, whoever is right or wrong, the runner is going to come out far worse than a car.

@@TimGrose yesterday had to wait for a road crossing during my 10miler didn't break my pb cause of it

I did yes but the Hyperion Tempo is quite different - more like Puma Nitro foam I would say.

@@TimGrose I have wide feet so I don't even try the Adios shoes.. Maybe a mistake..

@@i.p2088 there is a wide version of the Adios 7 so might be worth a look. adidas do come up narrower than everything else bar maybe Puma but o had to pull in the laces a fair bit on the Adios Pro 3 especially although after this test and not amazing experience in an 11 mile fairly easy run maybe not my ideal shoe although oddly I marginally preferred it over the Alphafly 2 when did that shoeoff although subsequently had a better session in the Alphafly 2. Endorphin Pro 3 is probably my favourite “super” shoe purchase this year. I can’t test the ASICS ones unfortunately as don’t do my size.

@@i.p2088 I got wide foot too, and adios 6 works very well for mee. It's narrow, but yet stable. I got "larger" shoes that causes me some calve issues

@@mfmmel I think that the plated shoes kill my calf.. I run yesterday in the Vaporfly and my calf is very sore.. I don't have this in low stack flexible shoes. Do you have the 6 in wide or normal fit?

Thanks a tricky one for me as they have only just started doing my correct UK 13.5 size in the Pro 3. I could run in the 2 and did 170 miles in it but always felt was at least half a size small in the largest 12.5 they did. In some ways though I still prefer the 2 - it seemed a little better “connected” to my foot and although it is a little unstable, I got used to it. So if you can get a 2 cheap or got with it anyway maybe won’t be a huge upgrade in the 3.

I would say the Adios 7 has a firmer feel to the Pegasus 39 which I believe has an air bag in the heel. That said the Pegasus isn’t overly soft by current standards. Upper durability can really only guess until done a lot more miles in the Adios 7 but I have never had an issue there with previous versions so don’t see why would here.

Good question which been pondering on recent runs but haven't had an opportunity to do a shoeoff between them yet. If you had the 2nd version of either then would say the Endorphin Pro 3 is the bigger change. Somewhat more stack than before has softened it and would say it is softer than the Adios Pro 3 but not "squidgy" soft like an Invincible - more like the responsive nature of the Vaporfly. Indeed the Endorphin Pro 3 is probably the closest shoe to a Vaporfly without being one. The Endorphin Pro 3 is a little lighter than the Adios Pro 3 and feel is a bit more nimble especially through corners where I still find the Adios is a little unstable. I have got a 10 miler marathon pace run to do today and ideally want to see how either shape up as not really done such a run in either yet but need to pick one. Might do Adios Pro 3 as I did shorter intervals in it Tuesday and so be good to compare. The Adios feels like a shoe that is happier cruising in a straight line but it certainly feels more "normal" than the Alphafly although both of those two feel a little bulkier than the Endorphin Pro 3 or Vaporfly. Which of the "super shoes" have you got? I think both the Pro 3 ones are getting closer to the Vaporfly for me but still think my favourite is the Vaporfly.

I’ve run in the NB super comp trainer, I’m picking up the speed 3 today. I’ve got to decide between the pro 3’s which one to choose for my half marathon in a few weeks and a marathon beginning of next year. I’ve heard the Adidas is better for the marathon distance because the midsole is a bit stiffer. I do have concerns about the stability of the Adidas. The heel measures 4mm less than the Saucony pro 3. Not much difference and the forefoot is 3-4mm wider, mid foot is 2-3mm wider than the Saucony. So as you can see they are two perfectly matched shoes. Hopefully you can do a comparison soon I really enjoy your feedback.

​@@mikegamber8561 That NB one presume is the new very high stack one? I pondered getting that one but having gone off the Invincible of late for being a bit too soft and also never liking the Rebel 2, it seems a very expensive "experiment". Is it at all unstable for you? The Prime X certainly is although is actually quite fast once get used to it whereas I understand the "trainer" in the name is for a reason and it isn't light. I think there is a lot of conjecture about what would be good for a marathon without actually doing one or even a truly long run and compared to what I used in 2016 (Adios 1) sure any of the current crop would be better - certainly more cushioned. I have a narrow foot so have always liked adidas as they are normally narrow but in this video the Pro 3 just "felt" like it was bigger base so I would not be too concerned there. The Saucony one is a bit wider for me than ideal but that is largely as the upper material and the tongue is so thin. It doesn't feel "wide" as an actual base on foot like say the Invincible does. If anything feel there is more contact with the ground in the Adios Pro 3. That was very noticeable when switched into them after the Adios 7 in this video. TBH from what have seen so far of both the Pro 3 ones - I would again opt for a marathon in a Vaporfly and have done 2 now.

I would say so yes. adidas do a wide version of both if you need that however.

92 - 21 over. Not my best but finished with 3 pars and playing a lot of irons off tees so course playing so short with rock hard fairways. My stroke index is 11.8 so play off 14 at my home course at Malden in London.

Yeah US 14 or UK 13.5 in adidas sizing. Have you tried any yet or are tempted ? One thing for sure I am enjoying these shoes far more than the previous version of each when I tried to squeeze into the US 13 ! Although the Adios 1 seemed to fit a little longer as did a full marathon in the 13 plus loads of other races and sessions.

Yeah I had a quick look both ways and thought there was enough time to nip across the road and there was of course. In hindsight perhaps should have waited as better to be safe than sorry as it were. It was a 30 mph zone and I get the feeling the car honking was going faster. There were a few expletives as well coming my way as well.

@@TimGrose hopefully it gave you something to think about later on when you were running. I like to imagine angry scenarios to keep me going when I’m feeling it.

@@MichaelLoweAttorney It certainly made me jump as you might have seen from the camera jumping. I tend to think if a driver has time to honk then perhaps they weren't that close but I did then wonder if actually I was in the wrong and maybe I was. I will be more careful next time as ultimately it is never going to end well as a runner vs a car going quite fast is it...

I think that is because it is quite a remote level crossing that general vehicle traffic would rarely need to go over but farm vehicles may need to sometimes. Think most people crossing are walkers and runners - like me! This line is a relatively minor one too in that it does not go to direct into London as most do around my way. Generally there aren't overly many level crossings on railways near London and most of those have automated barriers as indeed is the case with one I came to later in the run further along the line.

IMHO it is actually not the carbon plate but the foam that is the difference with the "super" shoes compared to "traditional" flats. The plate largely helps to stabilise what is usually a large chunk of relatively soft foam. Good example is the Invincible and the Vaporfly/Alphafly. Both have ZoomX but the former has no plate so it is ultra soft but not that fast to run in as you tend to sink a bit whereas as in the other two you the protection from the foam but better bounce back. The Adios Pro shoes don't have a full plate but rods designed a bit a skeleton of a foot. Certainly I believe these "super" shoes can make you to go faster but yes, you are right, training is going to be far more important but if say you were hoping to run a sub 3 marathon and can gain a minute or two that is going to seriously improve your chances. The other advantage is that they are far cushioned so after use for racing or training your legs will tend to feel that much better than in flats. In turn that means you can perhaps train more and get a bit faster that way. Clearly though not all "super" shoes offer the same advantage to all runners and like any shoe some runners will prefer one over another.

@@TimGrose Totally agree Tim 100%. I can run further and faster with better recovery.. ✅