My company on accidents: "Because minor inconvenience happened to an idiot, we are going to inconvenience every worker with rules that may or may not help avoid it."
Even if you have done something wrong they have no reason to look. It's none of their business. What you do with their product has nothing to do with them.
Even if you did nothing wrong theres plenty to hide from lunatics like corpos. Becouse corpos have to much time and zeal to find any way to squeeze evry dime out of you. Like the smart car bs. Now they track where you are and how you drive and find reasons to punish for it. Teslas insurance fines you if you have the audacety to drive at night.
I had a old old version when I was studying media and communication (basically journalism), and I used CS6 on my old mac, the mac died like 3 or 4 years after I got out of school, the macs costed too much so I got a windows pc, and I decided to look for Adobe software I only had an option of online version of Adobe so I decided to try other tools (just because of the fact that it would be cheaper to buy a license in lump sum than keep on paying 365 nok a month, or in USD 34.58 a month over a long duraction), if Adobe was not that greedy and made a version number systen where I could pay x amount a month and when I had paid the same amount as a lump sum of the original system would have costed I would have gotten that version to use for eternity I would probably still be using Adobe todays, in hindsight I was really really lucky, the only real problem is windows now that I want to change but alas game developers sadly do not create games that have parity with the windows version (and image-line do have a FL studio on linux but sadly the audio plugin guys do not make the plug in for linux, seriously if games and audio plug-ins worked semi-out-of-the-box I would have changed windows for linux yesterday)
Because apparently when we use their products, they can take over our rights. The problem is when their product is a legit necessity for the world to continue existing as normal.
Whoa. Adobe products are used to work on things that are trade secrets, actual national secrets, projects with NDAs and more. And Adobe is asserting a right to look at your work while also not being bound by the NDAs or security policies of the work. Adobe doesn't have the security infrastructure to properly protect such data. Why break into the NSA when you can just break into Adobe and steal their capture copy?
I quite agree. The only Adobe stuff I use are PDF documents, which I read with Okular, edit with Master PDF Editor, and create by using LibreOffice and directly exporting its output to PDF. All without fear that anyone will be waking me up in the middle of the night for wrongthink, or stealing my ideas. I still have a Google Drive that I probably should clean out. I'm beginning not to trust anyone else with my data. The only "cloud" you should use is a NAS that is parked behind your personal firewall.
@@shauny2285 I used to work for a tech pub firm where I used adobe illustrator adobe Photoshop extensively; as we had a lot of contracts with the DOD our IT department constantly protected us against against foreign powers doing exactly what Adobe systems is doing now.
It's even worse than how *Louis Rossmann* calls it *ToS roofie'ing* - this is equivalent to you walking to a person at the bar and while looking them straight in the eye popping a pill into their drink , mixing it with your index finger and forcing that drink down their throat.
DaVinci, Gimp, Inkscape, Krita, Affinity, Kdenlive... what other competitors are out there for Photoshop, Illustrator, Premeire, and AfterEffects? Adobe's subscriptions are already outrageously overpriced and now they throw this at people? *Urge to "yarr harr fiddle tee dee" increases*
It’s a nice idea in theory but Gimp and Inkscape are pure manure compared to Photoshop and Illustrator. Only Davinci Resolve is a legit good alternative to Premier.
"If you don't do anything wrong, why are you worried?" "Do you have bathroom door? Curtains in your bedroom windows? ..what are YOU worried about if you want to hide what you're doing?"
Because that's none of there business. my personal computer is my business if they get to go into people's computer then we should be allowed to go in there's and sell there data to the highest bidder.
I misread this as "it's literally going to make a complete tech collapse" although that's probably not far off considering IT's current relationship with employment meritocracy and product quality, which is to say the entire lack thereof. Just look at how Microsoft is doing lately; after movies and video games crash, the 'elite' software industry is short to follow.
We're entering a post-innovation era where the only way to create more shareholder value is to engage in rent-seeking. Despite how things may seem to the layperson who listens to media hype, tech is plateauing.
What could possibly go wrong letting an AI learn to copy your art, or steal your trade secrets? I see no way this could go wrong, as long as Adobe pinky swears not to do the one thing that will make them the absolute most money; IP theft.
As somebody I know once said, "if they won't acknowledge my rights, I won't acknowledge theirs", Adobe's going to learn the hard way that they can't have their cake and eat it too. That's really the core of the issue here: corporations believe THEY have rights to own property and to have privacy, but that WE, the consumers, do not. Every once in a while, they need a reminder that that's not the case.
So....they want to hold people's livelihoods hostage to their terms of service? That's a major red flag. There is no excuse for EVERYONE not leaving immediately. Send a clear and unambiguous message to this company, the whole industry, and the entire world. This nonsense will not be tolerated anymore!
Gonna take a while for that to happen but I think it will head in that direction. It will just take a bit for it to percolate out into the normy sphere.
This much invasiveness by tech companies should be illegal and I have started phoning in to my state senator already did it for the Google and Microsoft BS. and I will continue to put pressure these situations.
Vote with your wallet!! If you use only open source code, you deprive these companies of oxygen, i.e. money. Imagine what a wonderful world it'd be, if microsoft went bankrupt...
I hope you're not the only one doing this. The writing has been on the wall for a decade, I hope this actually hits hard at home so people stop being so complicit with it happening to everything.
I'm not even surprised. Adobe as a service already drags my computer down. I don't need services I pay for spying on me. I'll unsub from Adobe and move.
When I unsubscribed, ended payments, and uninstalled Adobe for good years ago, they made it hell for me to find all my files the next day because everything "mysteriously" moved into a super obscure sub-folder of a sub-folder in my Recycle Bin. Adobe literally took my decades of files and tried to throw it away because I dared to uninstall their precious software. I got everything back after a few hours, but that company became a blacklisted name in my little pocketbook from as long as I live -- and I've been doing fine with Affinity Photo as my primary alternative for personal projects ever since.
Most people like their privacy, regardless if they're doing something right or wrong, and quite frankly, companies shouldn't be spying on their customers in the first place!
This was also brought up a few years ago when Adobe changed people's designs. They refused to agree to new terms with Pantone, and when designers were opening older stuff, the Pantone colors were "updated" (removed). You could still use other methods, but if you had something that required "Pantone 1915 U" exactly, you were out of luck.
Reminds of my mom not letting me keep my door shut when I was a kid. I wasn't going to do anything anyway, I just wanted privacy, but she insisted on it being open. Adobe and these companies are treating us like children. If they're worried about people doing bad things, they should leave that to the cops to find out. Otherwise, that kind of sharing of information for analysis purposes should only ever be optional.
It's more like your neighbor demanding you sleep with your door open so that they know you're not doing anything in there even though it's none of their freaking business.
They aren't worried about people doing bad things, that is an excuse to justify it. Law enforcement agencies like it because if someone else gives something to the police they don't need to bother a judge for a warrant.
Why would you even pirate their shit to keep its legacy alive? These practices need to be banned and their products abandoned to the greatest extent possible! Adobe is dead to me, i'm moving on with my life without them! Enough is enough!
Another question that comes to mind is that if they can moderate and delete your own content then what's to stop them from adding content to yours? Like adding in child porn or racist messages in onto your account or hard drive in order to frame you?
@@Cubeytheawesome For legal purposes here on the public internet, I am obligated to say that violence is not the answer and that I disagree with this statement. However, I have no control over what you or another person may do, so...
These companies are all making these decisions at the same time because they know the vast majority of the people are not able to completely cut out all of the companies from their lives.
It's time for everyone to watch these companies and all their employees very carefully. If they are not doing anything wrong then why do they feel the need to hide?
Good faith was abandoned decades ago for rolling updates of BS, always online subscriptions, and a corporate panopticon of every individual. It's not a surprise, not like this just dawned on them and they sold out. They kept moving the goalpost until eventually we all fell into the trap. Now we're complaining because it hurts. Ouch. We're so hurt Adobe. Please stop. They can't hear us scream because they don't give a shit.
for me, this sucks. I'm stuck in a contract where if I try to cancel I have to pay an exorbatant fee which I can't afford at the moment, but their TOS change is something I didn't agree to at the time, so now I get punished for them changing their rules. It's bullshit and should be suable.
Use a virtual machine specifically for Adobe and their products if you're on windows. All they'll be able to do is snoop at a fake computer with limited activity.
If you back then signed something that you dont agree with now there should be a clause in there that allows you to be able to leave since you are not in favor of their newer terms that you never agreed on.
I have not 'paid' for an adobe product since Photoshop 6.0. No not CC 6.0, no not CS 6.0, just 6.0. When they moved to a forced subscription model in the early 2000s I started sailing the high seas and never looked back. "Adobe software runs better pirated" has been true for more than a decade, and it seems like it's only getting more and more true.
To the ‘if you not doing anything wrong’ crowd. If we agree that I’m not doing anything wrong then what gave you right to watch what I am doing? Where is your warrant eh?
In the words of Andrey Vyshinsky, "show me the man and I'll show you the crime." You don't need to have done anything wrong for someone to take something completely innocent and turn it into evidence for something nefarious.
To the "If you're not doing anything wrong crowd", if you don't mind people spying on you, may I install spyware on your computer? You think I'm trying to make a point, but I just know statistically if enough people say yes, some will be girls. :) You don't have anything to hide, right?
Same thing Microsoft did with Windows XP. Everybody pirated it and they didn't really do anything about it, until it went full mainstream. Then WGA appeared. Then there's the windows 10 users who upgraded for free and are now starting to see "your windows license will expire soon" messages
The companies worrying about how people use the software is not a valid concern. Power companies and phone companies have services that are used by bad people for bad purposes. The power companies and phone companies have never been liable for the action of bad people.
Oh, just what we wanted, a creative art application that: a) gets you to train your AI replacement, and b) strictly monitors you to ensure you're not making any naughty content. Jesus fucking Christ I want off this ride.
Adobe claimed to own your IP just because you made it in their service. This is not buying vs owning, it is theft. Piracy is theft too. Why so much cognitive dissonance guys? How is piracy justifiable? That's what keeps FOSS "free" and untenable. It's a power play, our job is to oppose their services not pirate them to "make our own lives easier". This is not a solution, just an excuse to not support the FOSS that needs it.
Yeah..... They're not going to recover from this. It means we're going to see a lot of alternatives or independent software emerge. And if "they" won't stop, we're going to see the piracy of previous non-intrusive versions reach orbit-level proportions.
Yeah we said that when they became a subscription too. People are willing to pay a subscription for software why wouldn't they be willing to be spied on?
@@MamaMOB That's what worries me a little bit. If people are either ignorant, or simply apathetic, That could build up into a problem later. The question is if people here will be as easy to herd around as another unfortunate place these days.
@@MamaMOB Apparently, this is a ((little)) bigger than subscriptions based on recent backlash. If that reaction doesn't die down, Adobe might have just broken their back this time.
Every business literally was inspired by 1984 and failed to understand the main purpose of the classic. Sad to see as I had to use Adobe during college and need to get all my data off the software now. Great video, but thank god George Orwell was ahead of his time.
Recall is very sinister,it has full access to your online life past , present,think minority report,sounds nuts,also the recall has already been hacked ,turns out you data is not encrypted,
Yeah - much like every new version of Windows after 7 - there's really no actual practical improvement in functionality ( or worse, actually cutting features ) from newer Adobe products besides a few gimmick things like proprietary GPU driver tie-in features and now the 'AI fad' stuff. I have a few different versions of Photoshop "acquired" over the years and honestly I still find myself using the older one alot of the time when I just need to edit files really quickly without any of the bloat of the newer versions.
The ironic thing is that they’re wanting AI to be able to do everything so that they don’t have to hire as many employees or pay them and yet they haven’t come to the realization that if people don’t have jobs, they can’t buy whatever item or service they’re selling to the public they won’t be able to afford it. There will be no one to line their pockets. Hate to break it to them, but you can’t succeed in capitalism without a consumer. 🤷♀️
Any company that makes terms of service like this and genuinely believe that they have no malicious employees who would abuse these terms and overreach is sorely mistaken.
Copyright of an artistic work (at least down here in Australia) requires proof of Independent Intellectual Effort. A purely AI image doesn't meet this, so can't be copyrighted. However, if you're using it as part of your production pipeline, colouring a lineart image you've drawn, for example, then you can copyright the resulting work.
If Adobe survives this and continues forward as is without changing course I'm going to be not surprised at all if a data leak or hack or whatever happens and everyone's NDAs, etc, agreements are inadvertently broken and Adobe is sued if they're still around by then.
Keeping away from adobe is easy, but switching to Linux is the real tough one. Considering compatibility with differing software and just learning how that whole thing works. It's scary.
It's true. That being said, I've been looking into it a lot recently, and it looks like for a lot of people it could work already. Especially if not super technical. It has a reputation for being more for hardcore developers, but it's gotten to a point that basic simple computer usage is fine for even technology illiterate people. The difficult part is when you're trying ot get into more technical or advanced stuff, but not full on OS developer level. (Like a windows "power user"). For artists, no Adobe has been one of the biggest reasons not to switch, if that's taken away, for some people there may be no other hurdles stopping them.
Anyone that is actually dumb enough to say "well if you got nothing to hide" deserves no privacy, or freedom, and in fact should get the Truman show treatment where their every action is being recorded 24/7. Well if you got nothing to hide...what's the problem?
Almost bought Photoshop a couple years ago. So glad I stuck with GIMP. "If you’re doing nothing wrong, you have no reason to hide." The problem is who decides what is "wrong". Too many times we've seen people say or do things that were perfectly acceptable one day and the next day someone is screaming that it's evil and lives are ruined.
I used Adobe illustrator and Adobe Photoshop professionally for 20 years. They were great tools, but Adobe systems always struck me as wanting to be Microsoft when they grew up.
When ever somebody says a sentence like „if you have nothing to hide, why are you afraid?“, I imagine a Gestapo officer or some Salem witch hunters saying it. Hits home differently, but tells you everything you need to know about this sentence and the people generally using it.
This is my actual last straw with Adobe. I've been subscribed to their full suite license and two-item license for 4 years. That's $840 a Year or $3300+ to Adobe over the past several years, but no more. I'm canceling this weekend and finding alternatives. Kneon is right, it is time to find a Linux system to escape this 1984 wormhole. I'm tired of companies hating their customers, and I'm tired of this paradigm of you will own nothing.
Of course these companies got together and decided to do it all at the same time. We all saw Hasbro go to WINDOWLESS boxes all alone and Hasbro paid the price while other companies did not suffer lower sales of toys. Whether that was an accident or a large consumer buying test operation is not clear. All the companies saw what happened and learned from it.
Why are these companies all going to crap and making such anti-consumer decisions? Well that's what happens when you basically have a monopoly. There is no real alternative for most people so they're forced to continue using it.
@@rustydowd879 It’s worse, the unspoken message here is total control and the censorship of the content of others by any means necessary which will soon include having the company via its software check/modify/erase and delete your work not only in the cloud but also in all of your devices that includes your computer and drives and that means everything that is created Adobe software and later, non- Adobe products that it’s AI and manual checkers deems unacceptable, politically incorrect, etc will be erased from all your devices by default, be reported not only to Adobe, but also to all the manufacturers and developers of all the products you used in addition to being snitched to the government for unspecified “crimes” and misconduct in the name of protecting the brand.
The Nintendo leak is a great example of why this is a major issue and all the "If you done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear." Someone had their intellectual property stolen because a company wanted to spy on it's users. A lot of non tech people do stupid stuff like keep their Login information in files on their computer. Which means that Adobe or other such companies that spy on their computer enable their employees to commit identity theft. And it's not even just a concern from employees as anyone paying attention has seen numerous cases of companies getting hacked and user data leaked.
I still got old photoshop that can live on computer without internet, same thing for my sketchup 8 pro from 2013. I need a tooI, not a cooperate overlord
the latest builds of creative-cloud suite, sterilized and portable, is possible. but yeah not much point in bothering with the newer versions unless you really need the GPU gimmick plugins and AI shaders.
Imagine if your a creative and they steal your ideas...this is HOW THEY OWN YOU!!!!!!!! YOUR THOUGHTS ARE THEIRS YOUR WORK IS THEIRS......YOUR WORK IS THEIRS!!!!!!!! Here a template we took from someone that had the audacity to use OUR SERVICE...YOU ARE OURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats only fine for illustrations. I'd still sooner use digital alternatives for professional projects. Outside of hobby and niche circumstances, pencil and paper wont cut it.
For drawing/painting, there are legitimately better programs than photoshop. It's the other stuff it does that's harder to find alternatives for, and GIMP doesn't do it for a lot of people. (Although it does for some)
What Geeky Sparkles does not realize at time 16:30 is that the world is full of people who will continue to use these companies' software even with these ridiculous policies.
Microsoft has put NSA backdoors into Windows for over 30 years. You can setup s home server that can be accessed from anywhere on the Internet using simple or sophisticated IP address location. Add VPN using non-Western servers, though layereed is much better. Monitoring your external network traffic should be done to identify compromised network computers snd other devices.
Hard copies can never be hacked nor spied by computers. Albums are especially safe, and only take time to degrade. That is how I still have CDs in cases and manga in boxes.
We' the Open Source enthusiasts, have been warning about this oxact scenaria for literally decades. I remember reading about this possibility in the late 90s, people always thought it was nonsense. And here we are now... next stop, Stallman's story about the revolution to gain the "right to read" will become real
I am a very, VERY paranoid man. Sh-t like this doesn't help my anxieties and insecurities, not one bit. Especially since my comprehension of this big-tech stuff is already super limited. Glad I don’t use adobe products ; & still cling to windows 10 as long as I can.
Adobe is bold in pushing a lot of anti-consumer practices like software as a service, AI, and policies like this because there are a ton of creatives that will continue to support Adobe not matter that.
This problem could easily have been avoided. All people had to do was pay attention. All people had to do was not allow even the tiniest encroachment. All people had to do was at least listen to what the so-called "conspiracy theorists" were saying and not simply dismiss it as paranoid ramblings.
Btw for just reading them, SumatraPDF is great. Much faster, tiny download, can work as a portable app without installing it. Even if Adobe went full free and open source somehow, I would still use it over acrobat reader. It's been ages, but I remember it taking so long to open, and this one is just basically instant with no hassle.
Goodbye, Adobe. You make some very useful tools for me down through the years, but your being able to snoop on all of my content is the final straw. Time for me to switch to one of the *many* alternatives.
Companies that require NDAs are going to start needing to develop internal software for their creators to use at this rate. And then there will be all sorts of software patent disputes. 😩🤦
I’d be willing to bet money that this will be used exclusively to target R34 artists. PayPal is already trying to prevent people paying for that art, and now adobe is trying to prevent it in the first place.
Good. Porn should be banned. Political speech should not. Religious speech should not. I was an addict for over 20 years - porn did me less than zero favors. It ruined my life. Still trying to climb out of that hole. If you like it, it's because you're its slave. End of story.
They've probably been doing that for a long time. Artists tell me it could be the end to origional content or content that springs from poor or questionable ideas. Hands down we need more privacy to come back and hold snoopers accountable. I want to bring back the pay for software once model and pay for updates and upgrades. In all, their snooping is by non-consent and should be illegal and those who conducted the operation should definitly be held accountable.
I only use old Adobe products to publish my books. Ever since it became a subscription service, I walked away from them. Now that I know they're spying on us and training AI, I'll never buy another Adobe product again. Seeing a need for keeping old 32- bit apps and old computers rather than using new ones.
EU citizens! You can DEFINITELY write an email to Adobe to ask them to delete all of your drawings, photos, etc. Refer to the GDPR law! They can't say no.
We should all boycott anything that's "subscription service". We need to bring back the old way of simply owning software LOCALLY and it doesn't require internet connections. I hate forced updates, I hate forced spying. If they want cloud based features, fine, make it OPTIONAL and turned OFF by default! Software companies are really getting more and more annoying as they try to force an always online "subscription service" business model. I hope more competition would rise that would stick to the old way and wreck Adobe and other companies that want to control and own what we create!!!
If you have nothing to hide... That assumes that no one will harm you if you leave yourself open. You lock your car when you go in a store, but it's not because you are hiding something. It's because you don't want someone stealing things out of your car. What happens if they decide what you are doing violates DEI?
I work with confidential medical records on the daily. my company uses Adobe for their documents. this is a massive privacy breach for all of our clients, and extremely illegal.
