Adoration⎮Miraculous Ladybug Season 5 Review 

😂😂😂😂😂😂 you ain’t lying

That ain't a high bar to pass

Since Zoey didn't tell Marinette that she loved her, Marinette herself realized that she was in love with her.

Straight forward without any complicated plans, unlike Marinette.

Man your comparing a skyscraper (Zoe) to a pebble (marionette)

Fr

Since i didn't see the episode, and i'm in my 5 minutes asshole fase of the day, i'll say yes.

Re he heh he

IKR, how could people laugh at that, that might be the creepiest scene in the show since the nightmare baby dolls from Jubilation

@@alexandruulesan7009 LMAO NOT THE BABIES

@Gacha Maimay I know right I mean it was like one minute you're seeing two lovestruck teens about to kiss and then the next thing is Gabriel doing 'peekaboo' jumpscare in the dark with very poor lightning like the creepy grown man he is. That had spooked for sure and it's not even Halloween yet

Wait she looks older than Marinette though ngl

I actually think they split up and then got back together and Audrey got pregnant w Zoe during the time they weren't together anymore.

André is Zoe's stepfather in Collusion she calls him her stepdad while trying to talk to akumatized teacher

@@moved18287you do realize that plays absolutely no factor in age right? I’m taller than my sister who’s 6 years older than me

Wait, I thought Marinette and the other students were in tenth grade? I mean, in the Pharoah episode, Alya stated that the textbook Marinette had was a tenth grade history textbook, unless that was a translation error on the english translation department.

And if we would talk about the real world, none of the accusations would last long. The first thing, the real police would do, is taking fingerprints. And i would bet, that there are only fingerprints of Marinette on the cloth of her Parent's bakery. Maybe on the instruments of their friends band. But that's it. And after that, the whole case would be crumbling down. Also: I don't think an expellation from the school because of simple accusations would be possible

Like no This episode was that bad that these inconsistencies exist

Oh my gosh, how could I forget!? Of course! Darkblade! She stole Marinette's diary.

I think Sabrina is little by little realizing that she should be doing what she’s doing so even if she has stolen before, she is coming to grips that it’s not the right thing to do But I can’t explain the other ones lol

@@Hotgirlenergy I already saw a leak from a upcoming episode, where Sabrina finaly realizes, that Chloe isn't her friend anymore (and when i look how abusive their relationship was in the past, i think, Chloe never saw Sabrina as a friend, but more as a slave)

On my opinion it doesn’t feel like it came out of nowhere unlike Adrian did, because Marinette was her very first friend and trusted her Marinette open Zoe up have her make more friends Marinette sign her shoes

Fr

It's called tokenism.

Ikr it is getting out of hand. I honestly hope Smarty does a vid called everybody loves Marinette and how nearly everyone has had a crush on her at least once or so. It is getting ridiculous and as he even said there are others who don't have a lover yet.

nah, Zoe was always there with her sapphic chemistry with Marinette. since her introductory episode, her and Marinette had this awesome dynamic and were super cute and wholesome. Zoenette genuinely makes more sense than Adrienette

It gives the same vibes as Toffee in the SVTFOE finale (I'm not gonna say which part since I don't wanna spoil it for anyone)

I felt so fucking mad at that shithead principal for expelling Marinette for stealing shit like paper flowers??? BUT WHEN CHOLE GETS EXPOSED THEY ARE LIKE: OH OK NVM :))

Nah it’s called power of corruption

@@TTWglobal even for Anarka who doesn't care about these things?

Salt fics are canon

​@@howardyates4848 facts

Yeah! I’m 16 haha and I confessed to my best friend, but he rejected me lol. We’re still best friends today anyway

i confessed to my best friend when i was 15 and it was weird between us for two months, then we got into contact again and now we're better friends than ever

not unrealistic but it is pretty rare. most of time things just goes worse

I used to have a crush on my best friend multiple times and confessed to her like 5 years ago too, and it didn't affect our friendship at all, we actually became better friends afterwards she's the best BFF ever :D

Yep. When I was 13 a friend confessed to me and I didn't really change anything. I don't really get what the alternative would have been here, it's not like Marinette is like Chloe and would have made fun of her

This dude belongs with the Disney Villains. who agrees with me?

@@racheljackson4428 He IS a Disney Villian. This Show was Created by ZAG and Disney

Power of corruption

Power of racism

That's classism for you

That's sexist for you

All of this comments are right and its sad 😭

He is an enabler. That's awful already.

He is a weak simp,but fair enough to say ye is decent

He's a good guy who's too easy to persuade and who's so deathly afraid of disappointing his daughter and his toxic wife that he's willing to put aside morals to try to make them happy and love him. The mayor is kinda a tragic character in that way. It's his own fault, and yes it's horrible the things he'll allow to happen, but you've gotta kinda feel bad for him. His whole family only sees him as a tool / pet / way to raise their social status, and if he can't do what they want they'll hate him or abandon him for new York 😞

He’s a good person when not in the presence of Chloe or Audrey and is actually a caring father figure to Zoe despite being her stepfather cuz Audrey and Andre were still married when Audrey was pregnant with Zoe and is strongly implied that Audrey has an affair during her stay in NY and didn’t actually marry Zoe’s father Mr. Lee so it’s good that Andre doesn’t hold Audrey’s affair against Zoe cuz it’s technically not her fault.

@@Wingedlight-nn4hl agreed,this man is too much of a push over though,not only is he scared of disappointing his wife and daughter,he changed his name for a wife who basically cheated on him,I honestly liked the episode where they were arguing with each other at least he kind of stood up for himself

Well if it was made correctly, this is a good way to make us hate chloe. Giving her no consequences to her actions. But I feel like marinette is a Mary Sue in this scenario. They are trying so hard to make her feel “victimised” to the point it’s not realistic. If it was more relastic like an investigation actually happened and all evidence points to marinette it would make more sense.

@@heckerlil6171 true

@@heckerlil6171 tbh they did this a lot of times throughout the show. Very unsatisfying

Their style is very similar too

Ever since someone somewhere suggested that Zoe was a time-travelling Emma Agreste that's ALL I've been able to see her as. As in "Zoe" got the cat miraculous and Plagg's loyalty so quickly because in the future she's the next holder, I saw her interaction with Scarabella as auntie-niece, and her interaction here as mother-daughter. I know it's not supported by the words spoken but I in my personal life want better family bonds so I see familial love everywhere before I ever consider romantic love (which is non- existent in our household so I wouldn't know how to understand it outside of reading stories.) As for how if "Zoe" is Emma then how is she impersonating Audrey's daughter? Simple, as we see in this episode, Audrey can't tell anyone from anyone else. There probably is a real Zoe but Audrey would have forgotten her age and not contact her regularly enough to know that the real Zoe is still in New York. Therefore, I've been watching these 2 seasons expecting something to happen that "Zoe" intervenes and reveals herself but it didn't happen in Transmission so that fun idea has all but passed.

@@keriannekerr1876 The show has a serious writing problem when it comes to development and being convuluted (a dozen miraculous, Chloe's tossed redemption arc, Adrien's lack of screentime, Marinette being hypocritical, etc.), so I never would've gussed about the time travel theory. I usually don't indulge in theories without proof--and that goes DOUBLE for this show. My ideal version of this show would be vastly different from what it is now. And question: since you said you can't understand the romantic feelings in the show, do you not enjoy romantic aspects in the media, and how do you feel about the show pushing Adrien and Marinette together?

​@@keriannekerr1876if zoe is marinette and adrien's daughter then why didn't she met adrien! She never had this kind of interaction with him as she has with marinette! She got her hair and eyes from adrien and as you said she's gonna be the next holder of cat miraculous then why didn't she ever thought of sharing some time with her father?

wait zoe has a personality??!?!?!?!?

That's excactly what I was thinking, Zoe falling for Sabrina would actually make sense and unlike this, would probably be referenced in the future. Since Chloè is beyond redemption, they better have Sabrina break free from her, their relationship has become less "tsundere" and more "genuinely abusive". If they wanted LGBT reps. Jule/Rose and Marc/Nate are right there, Juleka and Rose have had that energy ever since season 2 and they are amazing freinds to each other and are the only ones who understand each others conditions + Juleka feels comfortable around Rose in comparison to the rest of the class. Marc and Nate would make a good pair if they just got more screentime too.

I actually thought this show was against having LGBT representation, because Juleka and Rose were established as really good friends rather than lovers. Honestly, it felt like LGBTQ just didn't exist in this universe, like everyone was heteronormative regardless of how close a friendship they had. That was until Zoe showed up. I agree, having a crush on Sabrina rather than Marinette would have worked better.

Oh. Ohhh god.

Except Marinette proves to be likable and kind to her friends unlike Velma. She makes mistakes, but she always tries to make things right when she feels she is in the wrong, she also does things for others, it's not always them doing things for her. Velma on the other hand is not only ugly, she's mean, selfish, a hypocrite, dumb, arrogant, egotistical, and so on and so forth, there aren't any good qualities about her, and they never give a valid reason for anyone to be friends with Velma let alone have a crush on her. Marinette having people like her is way more Believable

@@-Secret i can't really say anything about the velma part since i haven't really watched the show but i definitely agree with you besides that!! marinette's good qualities are attractive to others which makes sense

@@-Secret The only problem I have w her is that she broke multiple laws to stalk Adrien (without any real punishment) otherwise she's a decent Marysue

@@ChileItzKatara I 100% agree with you. Interestingly enough that was indeed a flaw with her, but it's unfortunate that her stalking habits stopped when she simply had no time to stalk him, was trying to convince herself she wasn't in love with him, and when she finally got him. There could have been more growth, or her being held accountable for her actions

Because they can't have rose and juleka be canon without losing the Chinese audience so the wanted to put a gay character in somewhere that would be easy to dub over

@@alpaca6462 what do you mean by chinese audience?

@@lxyipop23 the show airs in china

That sounds amazing, but I don't want Natalie to die ..... She has done pretty unspeakable things but she deserves a second chance because she started to care a lot more for Adrien's happiness and wellbeing than Gabriel and his plans. He deserves to die

It’s the fact you are completely correct

Godd job prediting that tragedy, cant wait for adrian to continue suffering as a side character in marinettes shadow Fr he shouldve been the main chatacter

No adrien will move to england.

Sadly:(

The hints were already way too obvious,people rejected it because they didnt want to accept it

​@@josemacias8010 agree

Yea- I've come to believing it. Prediction of why he exists as a Sentimonster: Gabriel and/or Emily are Infertile so they used the Peacock Miraculous to create Adrien

Crud he's gonna die isn't he

EXACTLY! Zoe's crush on Marinette comes out of nowhere! And why does everyone love Marinette?! Meanwhile Adrien is stuck being shipped with Marinette?! That's a fate worse than death!

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll Lmao fr it's like marinette being a stalker makes her more loveable??? 😂

In my opinion, I think it was hinted in Transmission, Deflagration, and Perfection that Zoé was not happy with the Adrienette set-up and that might have hinted she had a crush on Marinette

​@Feligami Adrizoe Powser Huntlow TOH Krazyshipping marc max mylene juleka rose alya sabrina kim don't have a crush on marinette and nath and Nino don't have a crush on her anymore and many people have a crush on adrien not just marinette

​@Feligami Adrizoe Powser Huntlow TOH Krazyshipping marc max mylene juleka rose alya sabrina kim don't have a crush on marinette and nath and Nino don't have a crush on her anymore and many people have a crush on adrien there both the main charcters so makes sense everyone will have a crush on them

zoe did actually blush a little in sole crusher when they first met, but even then just because someone doesn't blush or act shy around their crush doesn't mean they can't be in love? also im pretty sure that since zoe knew marinette was in love with adrien she probably thought she didn't really have much chance and so there would be no point in confessing + in the beginning zoe was going to give up on her at first anyways until andre encouraged her

It's clearly just astrucs way of trying to get us to care about zoe, I honestly can't feel anything for zoe, because she feels like she only exists to replace chloe, zoe doesn't matter, I used to love Chloe but but now I don't care about her, because she's wasted because Thomas is ridiculous

Her whole character came out of nowhere. Edit: And she she doesn’t even have any character. She’s just here to be Chloe’s replacement and it sucks.

I think their first interactions during Sole Crusher was pretty flirty ngl. I even shipped them a little bit back then. Also, I think Disney can't put it so openly and that's why she didn't blush and stuff

@@denizkaragullu6239 Don’t even bring Disney up. They’re the reason Juleka’s and Rose’s relationship was never actually mentioned within the show.

We are in hell. Basically.

So I am the only one here who likes the ship huh

@@brodypl5804 well there are other people who do but not a lot. The signs weren’t there until this episode. For those who never noticed the fandom talking about the ship they would notice in this episode. For me if Marinette was into girls it would be Fei or Kagami. Which people do agree on

@@littlesparrow303 I think it’s funny how Thomas / show writers / it was confirmed they would never fully show rose & juleka/ mark and Nathaniel ‘s as queer couples on screen fully and not just subtly but when it comes to Zoe the ultimate mary sue and useless character they’ll show her confess to a girl on screen? Like I’m crying I hate this show man, like man this show blows

@@brodypl5804 If you like the ship. That's totally fine. That's your call and opinion. And we have no right to judge you for it. ^^

PREACHHH!!!!

Her color scheme is literally the pansexual flag. People don't even try

​@@felipeveloso1578 💀 ok

no it doesn’t lmao, they barely interact and you know that the ship / Thomas got no talent astruc would show and lgbtq couple on screen, like y’all looking for queer things when there simply was never any implications in the first place

i think adrienette is pretty similar though, marinette has been severely bullied by chloe for years and when she met adrien she assumed he was a bully too; but yet he was still kind and gave marinette his umbrella even though she misjudged him. i feel like that really touched her since he went out of his way to do all of that for her and she probably wasn't ever really treated with that amount of kindness before. but other than that though i agree!!

I can’t remember the episode but did she know who scarabella was?

Show with Zoe legit feels like fanfic

The LGBTQ thing is everywhere these days.

Or if they even know what they’re writing about

I mean, it did push Marinette into finally telling Adrien she loves him

@@alexandruulesan7009 True, but I think you can agree it could be handled in a more compelling manner than this.

"Nice dad" I mean yeah but too bad he couldn't be a nice dad to his actual child and instead treats this new suprise daughter like one.

@@alexandruulesan7009 the only thing Zoe (aka mary sue #2) did right

@@cheribitch5396 I disagree that Zoe is a Marry Sue because one of the problems she face is standing up to her half sister and at first she had a hard time fitting in saying she feels like she’s playing different roles and can never be her true self. She doesn’t have as much flaws as other characters in the series but she does have problems that she faces

It would understandable to hate Audrey for cheating her dad. It would make no sense to hate the child that was in no ways responsable for that. Or even existed when it happened. Instead she worships Audrey and hates one of the VICTIMS of her affair (to the the bastard unrecognized child of an affair makes her a victim, getting the stigma and the lack of one parent growing up. Not that having Audrey as an active mother presence in her life would be an improvement, just look at Chloe…)

@@marcorizzoni9766 I mean your right on alogic standpoint but chloe is basically a spoiled child who doesnt really run on logic...she runs on emotions. her mom is succesful and strong and well admired while andre is mayour he tends to spoil chloe and gets pushed around by the mom which reinfores the idea that chloe would want to be the mom rather than the dad. chloe also loved her mom but then her mom left when chloe was young...probably to young to fully get why. and zoey was the daughter that actually got to be with the mom in paris. wanting attention from your parents is logical for a child to want. and yes andre was there for chloe..but andre tends to spoil chloe without giving real guidance because he is busy being mayour(and lets face it andre isnt a good person either) and it just enphasized that she WASN'T getting the affection or attention she wants from her mom. yes WE understand its the mom who is horrible and that zoey wasn't treated well and is just as much a victim of the situation...but on a emotional level it might have felt like the mom left due to zoey and it doesnt change from chloe's perspective zoey was with the mom while chloe wasnt. not to mention zoey has returned and while chloe is still 100 percent in the wrong.....from chloe's perspective everyone in the class likes zoey better as well and zoey has kindness come more easily to her and has the understand that chloe doesn't really have. chloe knows what kindness and goodness is in a way...but chloe honestly didnt REALLY understand it to the point some of her greatest progress wasthrough a butler helpig her to try to be nice to not disappoint her teddybear who in chloe's eyes was there for her properly. chloe at times WANTS to be good but doesnt GET it. and due to the influence of her parents burnsthe bridges of the few attempts to get through to her. zoey actually seems to understand. so your right that zoey doesnt deserve the hate from chloe...on the other hand emotions are not logical and from chloe's emotions zoey is better liked by theclassmates, has a easyier time understand stuff chloe struggles with and had the time with the mom and chloe had wanted and zoey's existence probably did cause a rift between the parents that probably made it easier for the mom to just leave. WE see its obvious zoey wasnt treated well by the mom either...but its not like chloe actually really knows zoey very well...abd now zoey is here is paris and is better liked after chloe was already feeling at her lowest and doubling down and what she finds more familar for comfort after chloe was influence and cornered by hawkmoth into giving into him and betraying ladybug by a master manipulator...manipulating her feelings. made even worse when WE know zoey waschosen as her replacment for the bee...which while a better fit...was kindof fucked up and and even zoey was concerned about chloe's feelings if chloe ever found out...but it still stands the sense of being replaced. and adrien was siding with zoey when chloe was hurting......it made sense sijnce it doesnt erase chloe is in the wrong...but on a emotional scale its not that weird fo her to hate on zoey considering circumstances when chloe already loved her mom nf you dont WANT to hate or blame to people you love or admire.

@@moved18287 i don't really get the 'her friends don't trust her' thing? like when it comes to lila its not like they were against mari...like...maybe that time when lila lied mari out of the school...but lila created evidence and some actively tried to prove her innocence. and that time inreards to adrien leavving and not believing when she said he didnt want to go made sense because adrien had hid that feeling from the other friends...including his best friend. and even though the friends were wrong on that...mari HAS acted odd about adrien leaving the country before epsicaly when another person is involved...like when mari followed him to hongkong(though she at least had a good cover story) or when she reacted to him going on a trip with kagami to london. even back in chameleon it wasnt as if they were against mari...lila keot distracting them but also marinette from giving the proper information and asfar as they knew that was the first time mari met lila doesnt exactly mean they don'ttrust her. though i do think you ARE iright mari has been going through alot and people need t give her a break as she isnt worth ALL this hate. the show doesnt really adress her actual flaws all that well s mari isnt the most sensative person to others or putting herself in others shoes...but she when she realizesshe messes up does always feel bad and tries to do better to fix things. mari is still a good person

Chloe is wasted potential like everything else in this series.

I’m more pissed that they’ll never show rose and juleka or mark and Nathaniel being openly queer on screen and stuff but miss zoe Mary sue gets to confess to a girl on screen ? like and once again marinette-sue gets another person in love with her, and it’s fact they never showed or hinted Zoe liked her ever even when she was introduced this is what we call.. ☺️CONTRIVED WRITING☺️

@@cheribitch5396 Yes maybe, of course there are issues with this. I also hope Rose x Juleka and Mark x Nathaniel's stories were told, that'd be even better. I'll stay optimistic and hope that they might do it one day.

Honestly. I know that the narrative keeps trying to frame Andre as "actually a good guy" But it's impossible to see him as that, when he continues to blantently make the choice to neglect Chloe. Like I've yet to see a scene or dialogue or just anything, that hints at the fact that there's a relationship between Andre and Chloe. It honestly seems like he never even tried to get to know Chloe, let alone be a parent to her. Shame that they're probably not going to do anything with it. It would've been so cool if Andre getting closer to Zoe inspired him to step up and actually be a parent to Chloe, and also to divorce Audrey in the process.

@@bluebird1914 the worst part is that andre is gonna get off scot free with his negligent parenting. hes gonna live wih perfectzoe in a perfect apartment where they can become a perfec family while chloe and audre are kicked out! ande should have done the more responsible thing and divorced audrey, and taken chloe as full custody, that woman is a terrible parent. let alone a cheating one

Bro really doesn't give a fuck about Chloe's issues and just feeds her ego then turns around and suddenly becomes a caring parent to Zoe😭he doesn't even acknowledge it he just says that chloe is a brat and that she should stay with her abuser while zoe is a cute mew mew who did nothing to deserve a mother like audrey and that he likes her better😭😭😭😭like bro zoe is like that just because she wasn't raised by a babyman servant and a selfish idiot

@@ethantay4630 He should've! The dude just sits there as Audrey with about as much subtlety as a glass shattering on a wooden floor, insults or belittles Chloe. Like for someone who's such a simp, he is surprisingly cold to Chloe. If anything, he should be an extremely doting dad because not only is Chloe their daughter, but she's basically a mirror image of Audrey personality wise. I seriously want to know what happened to Andre that makes him not divorce Audrey. I mean he does on some level know that you're not supposed to treat people like that, and that he prefers people like Zoe who treat him nicely. So why hasn't he A: Actually sat down with Audrey and been like "Hey, I don't like how you treat me and our daughters. If you don't stop acting like that I'm divorcing you and taking the kids.' or B: Just divorce her on the spot. I mean what is he scared of? I'd understand if he had a different job and maybe he was scared of a famous celebrity slandering his name. But he's the mayor, he's more famous than Audrey.

@@bluebird1914 lemme say , I’ve seen the spoilers,Andre dose divorce Audrey, but not in the way you expect …it’s not satisfying at all to see

Honestly i think thats good to do.. Like.. its up to each of their own yk but what good does just.. wallowing in bitterness do?

Don't worry I'm sure that part of the episode will get edited out in most countries

@@notoriouslysky Okay, still, many people watch it illegally on line and would see the full episode.

@@leoniemelodie7 ok so 💀 that’s their problem brah

@@pescuezoee ??? Did you understand the context of my reply or... Anyways...

Not really, I mean Marionette was Zoe's first friend

@blixxie.1273 but there was never any hints that she was romantically interested in Marinette. It was more like they were good friends and that was it

It’s something annoying I’ve noticed when it comes to female friendships these days. Gals are naturally more outgoing and expressive, especially with their other gal friends. Can’t tell ya the number of times my friends and I were/are so open around each other in public. Yeah we love each other, in a very platonic way and don’t have any issues distinguishing friendship from romance, familial, etc. However, these days no two characters can ever be purely platonic 🙄 I can see Zoe admiring and appreciating Marionette for being her first friend in France, but I really don’t like how they quickly turned those emotions from good friendship to crush levels 🙄 it’s so annoying to see and just adds to the nonsense of Mari being “oh so loved, and good, and pure” blah blah 😒 If Zoe had developed a crush on another girl I would roll my eyes at the obvious pandering, but wouldn’t really care. But since Mari is already such an energy sucking character I find it more like the writers expanding Mari’s harem than as any sort of character for Zoe.

@@jendoe9436 The show contradicts your whole theory with Alya's entire character.

@@jendoe9436 Same sex friendships are everywhere, you choose to ignore them because gay relationships bother you. "Obvious pandering" grow up

That’s wasn’t the point of what I said. There is nothing wrong with the concept it’s just the execution of these love-interest characters. Some if not all of them are just there to be in love with the main character and have no personality of their own. In fact, the main character also needs some work. I know there working on her now, it’s just not my taste tho. But to each their own, yknow? 👍 also quick side note: Marinette is now getting development i just feel that it was a little too late for me to root for her anymore because all of the things that she did that was wrong and then some were even justified and not corrected when it needed to be. I feel like most of if not all of the writing for the characters, even the show itself is just forced and “development” only happens because the plot said so not because it was character driven. Take Chloe for example. She had actual character development that felt organic to the character and the story. But the writers forced her character assassination all because the creator of the show hates her. Why give her development only to take it away in the end? It’s a waste of time when we could’ve had episodes to further develop other characters and the, I don’t know…. ACTUAL PLOT OF THE SHOW??? I mean the main love interest literally for most of the show was toxic and then all of a sudden it gets developed after 5 whole seasons of waiting for them to actually be a normal healthy couple and the writers expect people to care after waiting for something good to invest in? I don’t think so. 👍

​@@faithcoles1166shows going downhill tbh in my opinion. If they were gonna create a character to love Marinette couldn't they just keep Luka on the show? Like wasn't he supposed to be the love rival of Adrien. Plus Luka is a great character and very trustworthy. Frankly the whole Zoe character is disappointing for me cause she just spured out of nowhere and was immediately trusted with a miraculous when not even alya got one that quickly and she was Marinettes best friend. Plus I find Zoe suspicious, like something seems off. Random character shows up out of nowhere, no foreshadowing about her, wants to be an actress, and 'acts the way people want her to',, we don't see about her past we hear about it, trusted with a miraculous on their second episode and their costume resembles a wasp which aren't really sweet and friendly. Part of me feels like her being sweet and could be an act. Like what if she was a Lila to us the audience. Like audience= classmates creators=Adrien and Marinette who know Lila's true nature

I honestly think the writers just took the fan theory bc it was better than what they could think of for a plot and drama. And to shut up people who want equal focus on Adrien/Cat Noir to Lb/Marinette

@@springdemon.w. yeah exactly, they literally added chat blanc in cause it was a popular fan theory, lmfaoo Thomas the laziest and most entitled man I’m dying

@@springdemon.w.If this is confirmed, I would think so as well, and it would retroactively would make the villains complete idiots. Astruc has to check what he has written previously, because on the surface while this fan theory might seem cool, beneath it would be complete and utter incompetence from those that are considered villains or antagonists.

I agree, I've been both the person who confesses and someone people have confessed a few times when i was in middle school and high school. In every one of those situations I've maintained friendships with them after the confession until like a natural drift has happened ( mostly people moving away/moving schools), or there was a fight for a different reason. But I think it comes down to the maturity and how much each person values the friendship.

@@brinfreit4934 Pretty much this! It just seems to be a natural portrayal in tv shows that rejections are the big "Oh no! How dare they reject me!" and ruins friendships. But realistically you clearly like the person enough to ask them out so I don't see why this should change anything at all :)

Well there’s a reason for it. I’m very glad for you that your friendship was retained, though I have seen so many others destroyed because of a confession of feelings. Heck sometimes either the confesser or the one being confessed to gets treated like absolute garbage or ghosted completely.

I won't be so surprised...

Pretty much yeah. Guess Audrey just had an affair with Zoe's father a year after Chloe was born.

Yes, yes it does. She cheated on her husband abroad when they had a baby at home. It’s so glossed over it drives me up the wall.

I wonder who Mr. Lee is, what relationship he had with Zoe, and is Mr. Lee a better parent to Zoe Lee than Andre Burguoise.

​@@michaelsarmiento3362maybe master fu

No bc same

Yes

what do you mean , there no miraculous that make you invisible, if you refer to the dog power , he used his stoopid rings

The difference is that the moth can't actually use these powers. It still works

Uhm Monarch gives the powers through the rings that he made. But yeah he can also make villains with miraculous powers like Volpina, Antibug, Timetagger, etc.

I also wonder if he is a better parent to Zoe Lee than Andre is to Chloe, who he spoiled rotten too much, explaining why Zoe Lee is very nice and why Marinette likes her.

​@@michaelsarmiento3057 yeah totally agree

@@moved18287 I don’t think you are getting what I’m asking. Also, I’m not part of the fandom. I was asking because anytime I saw some episode, someone likes Marionette which confused me since they’d move on as if it never happened like it was supposed to be that ONE episode and one alone. Adrien popularity came from his ties with his father. Not much to question there. I do, however, think they made too excessive but I also feel as if they’re making fun of die hard fans? I’m unsure. As for the others, I’m not watching this show the minute an episode comes out, so I don’t think I’ve seen anyone attracted to the side characters other than Nino and Aliya who are dating. To add on my confusion of why they like her, they have actively seen her stalk, sabotage, and infiltrate things and places and you find that…attractive?

Rose/ Prince Ali Nathaniel/Marinette or Alex

@@ibrahimsasi9215nah man, their not cannon

No that was Lila Rossi in season 3.

Chloe tried to get Alya in trouble in S1 and it was succesfull. But Mari got expelled by Lila in S3.