ADV UPDATE | 2024 KTM 390 ADVENTURE | ROYAL ENFIELD HIMALAYAN 452 SPECS 

Weights cited in the video are the wet weights of the bike. Forgot to put that in.

I know some will scoff at the 196kg of the Himalayan, but don't forget, it comes standard in that weight with a centre stand, rear rack & front upper crash guards. All the things most people add to their bikes anyways. How many people go out and buy a 204kg Yamaha T7, add those very accessories and end up with a 220kg bike?. I bet the aftermarket will come to the diet rescue soon enough & if you're happy to live without a centre stand I bet that's 5kg gone before you've travelled a mile. I'm rather impressed with what Royal Enfield has pulled out of the hat.

Gotta say it again, Royal Enfield is actually listening to riders. Well done as per usual, Solid!

I think the 452 hits the mark with enough power to actually ride on the highway and strong enough (frame & suspension) to actually use as an adventure bike. No silly plastics and bold new graphics.

I do a lot of very long distance adventure touring (on road and off road), spend weeks in the saddle at a time doing substantial distances daily, my most recent tour doing just shy of 5000 miles in 11 days of riding. My longest day crossing 10 countries in under 24 hours. Reliability, simplicity, and easy repairability (bodgeability?) is crucial for me as I can be far from garages and civilisation in areas where a broken bike could potentially lead to much worse (especially depending on weather conditions). For touring I currently use a slightly modified Euro 4 2021 411 Himalayan. Almost everything I love about the 411 Himalayan, they have ditched on the new 452. Now putting the styling aside which is a very personal preference (I love the classic/vintage styling of the 411, not a big fan of the generic modern styling of the new one), my biggest issues are: 1) ride by wire - can't think of a worse option for a true adventure bike, if anything goes wrong with the electrics you are well and truly stuffed (and trust me, on a tour, the electrics always find a way to go wrong), and I am predicting now that there will be part shortages for this and so many problems reported by customers. I'll stick to my cable throttle for touring, plus it gives you the flexibility to go carb, not to mention easily bodged to get you to civilisation, and literally anyone can repair a throttle cable. 2) liquid cooled engine - not a HUGE issue, although much like the electricals on the new Himalayan, I expect there to be a substantial number of manufacturing issues and teething issues for both customer and manufacturer for a few years (predicting recalls and lots of Himmy's at dealers sorting issues relating to the new engine). Royal Enfield does air cooled engines exceptionally well, they're simple and reliable, I'm not expecting that same simple and reliable experience here on the new Himalayan. 3) Shim under bucket valve adjustment - do your own service and maintenance? Expect quite a bit more complexity and frustration when it comes to checking and sorting your valve clearances, yes you'll get more mileage between checks, but you'll sure as hell need this in to a garage to work on this - or have to take it to a garage/dealer. The old Himalayan used screw and locknut which is far quicker and far simpler, you could basicaly do this by the road if you wanted to. The 411 Himalayan is basic and perhaps a little underpowered at stock, but do the simple TEC cam and sprocket upgrade and the bike is completely transformed. Also scrap the stock tyres and put on some Conti Escapes and you're unstoppable. But honestly, anyone who has owned a Himalayan or other Royal Enfield will tell you that the build quality isn't that fantastic, exposed cabling, dodgy welds, moisture and dust is able to get into your instrument cluster, if you have a tripper nav you'll know how awful they are functionally, and let's not get started on the compass on the pre-tripper units. You'd have more accuracy using your fuel gauge needle as a compass 😂 (I have a ball compass stuck on top of my Himalayan's) - so imagine now those same manufacturing facilities and same workers (411 manufacturing is coming to an end to make way for the 452) now producing bikes and engines which are a significant order of magnitude more complex than the 411. 100% guarantee that there are going to be major issues for a number of years to come. Norally may be singing the praises of the new Himalayan, and sure there are a lot great things about the new unit, but let's not forget that she is essentially backed by Royal Enfield and will have their directors on speed-dial, if anything goes wrong for her and her bike, they'll have a new one or someone sent to repair it within a few hours, you won't get that same level of care and service if anything happened to you and yours. And let's not forget that this is a paid brand endorsement, a free bike, paid flights and more. Hard to remain impartial when you're being treat like royalty. All that being said, I'm looking forward to seeing and trying the bike (hopefully at the NEC later this month), I hope my fears and predictions are proven wrong. But as someone who has worked in QA, testing and manufacturing around the globe for well over a decade, I expect my predictions will be accurate.

Royal enfield with aftermarket exhaust, Lithium battery and if the massive crash bars is included in the 196kg weight…. Just remove them and will have a bike just over 180kg. That’s not bad at all

If it's long-term reliable, the 452 will be a good bike for alot of people, especially with such a low seat height.

I think the RF 452 is the new do it all. Why has everyone else ignored this market?

Not sure why people were thinking the 452 would be lighter....everyone knew RE was adding a larger engine and liquid cooling. That added weight alone is hard to compensate for, especially on a budget bike where expensive light weight materials are usually not a design choice.

Great content as always, Solid. I think as others have pointed out, the RE comes with a lot of protection/racks from the factory. If weight is that big of a deal you can remove those to save a good amount.

Thanks, once again, for some cutting edge news! As an older, "budget-minded" rider re-entering the dirt after years as a Harley humping weekend poseur wannabe, I have thoroughly enjoyed my '22 Pine Green Himi 411, especially the 3-year, unlimited mileage warranty. However, knowing that RE has this 452 waiting in the wings will make trading in the 411 less of a heartache if and when that time comes. Looked at the KTM 390 in '22, but just couldn't get past the reliability questions and the fact that it's parts didn't add up to an off-road capable beast of burden that could take whatever abuse I could dish out; admittedly not much at 61 and 20 or so Evel Kneivel-inspired broken bones and more strains, sprains, bruises, etc. to my discredit than I care to think about! Two wheels down, indeed! Royal Enfield is definitely making its mark in the world and in America! I have much faith in their products.

The Royal Enfield looks like it will be popular alright and best thing is that if it sells up a storm the other manufactures will be motivated to make the bikes so many people have been asking for for so long. This could be the bike that finally cracks that seal. The true 400-500 dual sport/adv Swiss Army knife bike. I can feel it coming.

Needs to be noted that the himalayan's weight includes the weight of the accessories that comes with it. I think crash bars, center stand etc come standard with it

I think Royal Enfield made a giant leap forward with new 452. While I still prefer analog Speedo & Tach, I get the reasoning behind the new instrumentation. I like they kept seat height reasonable too. As far as weight goes, you can only lose so much weight with steel. You build an aluminum tank, frame, and swingarm and cost skyrockets. If I had to make one complaint, it would be not going to an 18” rear wheel and tire combo, and a center mounted brake light. I’m in the market for a 40-50 hp adventure bike or scrambler. The Triumph 400x and 452 Enfield are high on the list. May even buy one of each.

Unfortunately Mr. Pierer has, like so many executives out there, lost touch with their customer base, the market has been screaming for a off road capable small adventure bike but as usual the slogan “we’re listening to our customers” is nothing but hot air

The thing with re is the weight is very down low. And surprisingly easy and friendly to ride. It's primary market is emerging markets where big bikes are a luxury and too expensive. It will end up as a solid option for lot of people who want to do longer distance travel /exploring. It comes down to price. Making it accessible to a lot of people who just want to go out there explore. For anyone wanting to pay more and want more than this, there are so many great options. I am just happy that the improvements they made are sensible and a step in the right direction.

Have to be honest - the weight on the Himalayan doesn't bother me too much because: Mainstand, luggage rack, metal tank (magnetic bags are the best), metal fairings for more luggage and protection, ~480km range per fill up.... All stuff I'm missing on my Fantic Caballero 500 right now, as soon as I want to travel somewhere. The Himalayan 452 will be the perfect small displacement travel bike, especially if you need storage room for camping equipment and ride along one or an other gnarly backroad, I can't see how KTM offers anything comparable, since they're quiet the spec sheet warriors

We had the SW model in 2023 in the US. I bought that model, and in the 2023 catalog website it also said “reworked suspension”, however it’s the same as the earlier year/non-SW models.

nicely done video 👍 the Himalayan looks promising 😁

KTM should be coming out with the updated 390 Adv with the new 399cc motor and the new chassis, that they have introduced with the Gen-3 Duke 390. The main question is “WHEN”. As much as I am in love with the new Himalayan 452, I’d love to consider the upcoming KTM mainly due to it being significantly lighter in weight than the new Himalayan. I can’t reduce my own weight, I’ll let the motorcycle manufacturer do it with their products 😄😄 Cheers buddy. Love from India 🇮🇳

At least in Europe they already had the 2 versions for 2023...KTM isnt doing anything new, they are not interested in making a good small model that would canabilize the middleweights...Probably the only new thing will be a bump in price

The Himalayan is also getting a Rally version next year, curious to know if the rear fairing from that is an auxillary tank a-la DesertX or just some bodywork hahah

CfMoto 450 MT will be very very strong rival to Himalayan!!!

On paper, the new Himmie 452 is exactly what I was looking for. I’m a slow rider, and I wanted a slow, go-anywhere bike. I had to get rid of a 2013 KLR650 that had some issues, and the opportunity to get a 450 with a smidge more power than a carb KLR with FI, ease of maintenance, cheap parts, and an RE level price and warranty, I’m stoked. The only issue is that I’m 6’5”, 192cm, so SeatConcepts, get working on the tall seat!

I hope KTM moves to a new platform for the 390 adv soon. Also maybe a 390 Enduro maybe?🙃

Much more excited about the Kove 450 Rally than either of these.

I'm so stoked for the 452. Gonna test ride it. It's pretty close to my unicorn if it is what it seems.

452 is 3 kg lighter than the previous one (considering the improvements on other fields). i cant wait for her to hit the showroom. my baby is coming!

It may just be me but the 390 adventure is starting to looks more and more like the 390 Duke.. love your videos solid keep up good work. Mate

Been poring over any news on this bike coming out of India for months and tomorrow it's finally released! I'll be buying one to ride around northern Thailand where I live, it's going to be perfect for me - I has a 411 and really liked it, just too underpowered and 5 speed held it back. Nice low seat hight too so my wife can ride it as well. One thing, I think I saw on a video out of India about the tubeless rims not being available straight away. It was in Indian language but the comments were confirming. Hope I'm wrong!

I am going to wait for the next gen ADV 390 with the new engine and body style, less weight and more fun on the road...

Hopefully both will be at EICMA so i can check em out in person. Also really interested in 450 twin by CF Moto.

I apologise for repeating myself across youtube channels, but someone needs to stick a 30L tank on the 452. Then you're good to go! 🤩

why are they not using the new KTM 399 cc engine in the adventure

Thanks for the updates Solid! Still waiting for that 390 Enduro though...

I like the weight on it as it helps on the motorway.

I wonder if KTM will put the LC4c 399cc motor in the 2024 Adventure

I ride a G650Gs the best thumper prior to this RE which may be even better. Some similar features is the low down fuel storage, lower seat available, and now hopefully like the GS , bulletproof engine...

I’m looking forward to seeing the Himalayan in the flesh, but I really wish that the Scram 452 was being released at the same time. I believe it more closely suits my needs and if it looks like the current 411 version, all the better. Liked and subbed, thank you.

Id guess we wont get a reworked 390 adventure R or enduro 390 R until they decide to use the new stroked 390 engine from the duke… guess its gonna be a little longer til that happens. Good thing is the new 390 engine looks good and makes more power down low.

Loving your videos Solid! I noted that Honda Australia have quietly added the 2024 Honda CRF450RL to their website. Pricing looks competitive, but the weight surprised me - it’s only 9 kg’s lighter than a 300L!

Thanks for the video always enjoy your material - I may have missed it on your channel but do you have any insight to the new Honda 300 rally 2024 which I believe is getting quite a make over including more power, better stock suspension etc etc?

I have been driving a Himalayan 411 for 3 years and see this new version as a huge improvemet.

i had a carbed 411 im very interested in this new hima looking forward to checking it out

I would have looked hard at the nee 390 had it gotten the 21” front wheel upgrade. I won’t even consider looking at one now.

Hmm, that 452 looks a real competitor to the 500x. good, it will encourage Honda to keep upgrading their 500

I love it when youtubers actually dig deep to get detailed info to make a video.❤

It would have been nice if the video has included a graphic card of comparative specifications between the two bikes.

Do you know what countries will get this year? I am hoping Thailand ? I heard states will have to wait for 2024 ?

Himalayan 452 ✌🏻

Never owned a royal enfield but very interesting in this one looks great 👍🏻

The power and weight of the 390 has my attention .Looking to slot a bike in between my KLX250 for single track and my Tiger 800 for 2 up adventure touring .At 67yrs old weight has started to be a major factor for me .

How much of the weight difference is steel tubed tires. If it's more than a couple kg weight won't feel to different

Hey solid!

Having ride by wire is a bad thing. Not only will you get throttle lag thanks to BS6 emissions standards which you need to buy a ECU or C02 mod for but it means more things can go wrong when you are out bush since electronics are fidgity thickle things.

Hey don't worry A Rally version also coming for lighter weight n more off-road capability

The KLR comparison with the Himalayan 450 is interesting. The KLR is sort of the last man standing in its class, but its old rivals the F650GS and Tenere 660 absolutely smash the Himalayan 450 specs wise - both weighed about the same as thiz Himi whilst being more powerful and actually being screwed together propelry. In my experience the 411 is not a well constructed bike and I have concerns for the 450. If the KLR were available in my country I'd be upgrading to one of those rather than the 450.

Does the 2024 KTM 390Adv make a based on 2024 399CC Duke? Or it’s the same old378CC engine?

The new Himalayan comes with Google Maps navigation, tubeless spoke wheels, etc. I think KTM seriously needs to consider these upgrades as well. We're nearing 2024. It's high time they gave us tech that actually is useful both on-road and off-road. Not to mention, low-end torque is not present on 390 adventure.

I have a 2023 390 Adventure and it's an awesome bike. I also own a 2014 CRF250L that I use for my off-road adventures so the 390 will mainly be used for backroads and day to day riding on the pavement. It's an incredible bike on pavement! Long term reliability is one of the things I question. I guess time will tell. If they beef up the suspension on the 390, that might be a great all-rounder.

I love what the H452 offers. Lighter would be nice but won’t stop me from getting one. Now can we please get these in the US first as opposed to being always last? I’d like to have one for summer 2024.

Hi, i saw you in neck brace, could you tell more about that?

Can't wait to get one on a test. Weight isn't an issue my 400kg cruiser get light at 15km so this would be a dream and long time keeper into adventure riding, as I don't believe a 25-35k plus bush basher is warranted...

The 390 ADV SW is the same bike as last year (I sat on one at EICMA last year). They haven't even changed the colour this year. It's the same as the standard bike but with tubed 19 inch spoked wheels as far as I'm aware.

I think weight is a big plus especially on our Aussie highway,s weight keeps the bike planted and not blowing around as much .

The problem with the SW ..is that it has tubes. I think for many of us , “light enduro work” , camping trips in the hills … we might actually be better with the cast wheels. then we only need carry a pump and plug set.

*CFMOTO - is expected to unveil its 450MT adventure bike at the upcoming EICMA in Milan.* The 450MT will use CFMOTO's 450 parallel twin with 270 degree crank firing used in its 450SR sports bike and recently released 450NK naked. I suspect this motor is what was under development with KTM's now defunct 490 parallel twin, but now 450cc. The crankcase design looks and exhaust sounds like a mini 790/890. If it is anything like it's big brother, the 800MT, it will present as exceptional value for money with many 'accessories' already attached. Fingers crossed on final weight figure!

Himmy has a Rally (Summit?) version with a rally / single piece seat - should suit taller riders better than the 411. It's a also a few kilos lighter than the 411 which will probably be offset by the extra fuel! Not a light bike but should not be too bad if the weight distributed like the 411 which is easy to push around and lift off the ground.

I’ve owned modern Royal Enfield and they are solid reliable bikes. Sadly KTM hasn’t earned that reputation yet.

Disappointed that KTM didn’t upgrade the 390 adventure alongside the new 390 duke with its completely new engine, suspension & frame. Europe has had the 390 SW since 2023 and it was just a wheel styling package, unless this has changed overall for 2024. The different with the RE is night & day, whilst the 390 adv KTM seems to be a box ticking exercise for the A2 market to try draw new riders into the brand, the RE seems like really their flagship product that they want to sell. Another point of note, the RE 196kg kerb weight is at 90% fuel load, and fully equipped with centre stand. KTMs kerb weights are often… more optimistic.

As a Kawasaki man I'd love to have a KLR, but as they are not sold in Europe the new Himalayan just might be the next best thing. I've never bought a new bike but if the price is right...I might be tempted

The weight! Yes, the only sticking point, and all depends on price now. Could you please comment on the new Ducati 698 thumper. Can it be considered a dual sport in the same vein a KTM 690 SM can work as dual sport, albeit with 17 inch front wheels with more off road tires??

I still think KTM dropped the ball when they gave up on the 490 twin platform and the new Himalayan looks very nice but at 452 lbs., it is too heavy for its own good. Still hoping for a 450 twin ADV tha comes in under the 400 lb. mark, even if it's 399 wet! 😊 Maybe Aprilia or CF Moto will hit the mark with the 450 motors they have if they put them in a off road biased ADV.

I was a little warry of the weight of the 452 (not that 420lbs is heavy) but there are some items that I think add weight that people end up adding after the fact that just don't get acknowledged, crash protection. If you took the stock crash protection and rear rack off the 452 I would wager that would shed close to 20lbs. Personally on rides where I am on longer faster roads I like a bit of weight (riding a 300 lb bike at 60mph is not fun on the road) Also, and I know it subjective but I think the current look of KTM road bikes are just plain ugly and it makes anyone over the age of 25 look like they are trying too hard to look cool.

KTM a gamble, RE bullet proof.

Well i do like the looks of the Himalayan, but the weight was a real let down. But i guess thats not what they put their focus on. Like.the CB500X, is a budget bike, so is the Himalayan. Which i would hope the price will reflect. Having CRF300 power to weught ratio, i no longer consider that to be on the list of next bikes for me personally. Looks great though. What id like to know is what were all the spy shots of the more offroad looking bike that had the 390 engine in it. What was that bike? A 390R? Or did it fall apart like the 490 did. Still sick to my stomache over KTM killing my dream of the 490 unicorn. Starting to look as if i will have to put my creativity to work. By that I mean grabbing a frame and suspensiom that fits me. Then installing an engine that i like into it to create my own unicorn. Its either that, or wait for a few more years in hopes some manufacturer builds what all of us smaller riders have been asking for for countless yrs. Building my own is really starting to look more and more like what I will have to do. Being a Boeing machinist, it would not be hard at all to do. Just time consuming. Again....are you listening KTM? Revive the 490 that we all want and crave.

I really want that new Hima.

Weight actually works in the favour of RE Himalayan. It will help them with the highway cruising in the emerging markets.

RE blows the competition away again.. the clincher will also be the price, it'll be the best value bike of its class..🤯

Tubeless spoked rims are going to be standard on global models on the Himalayan. They will be put on Indian models after they are approved. Also rumor of cruise control option is there. Having a little extra weight for a large percent of riders who do not take it off road very often is fine especially in crosswind.

It's about where the weight is located. From what I've seen, that too has been considered if you can pick your bike up off the ground several times in a row without straining your muscles, the weight is ok ;-)

I was once in your way of thinking 🤔 about the 390 , BUT have you seen MVBDR - Jose on his T7 and his X Nate on the KTM 390 ( she had spoke wheels fitted to hers 2 years ago or more ) They are surprisingly capable off road ! and she was a fantastic off road rider and their riding is NOT ADV it’s more enduro or Hard Enduro. Also a mate of mine sold his DR 650 or the new KTM 390 - he is a very good enduro rider and saids it’s WAY better than the DR 650 ? that surprises me as well ( as I’m not a KTM fan boy ) and yes 👍 I love the new Royal Enfield) The 452 verses the Kovo 450 when it comes to Australian- as I have told you before IT IS “ that’s all I can say at this stage .I’m not going to trade my 300 Rally anytime soon as the 411 Himalayan had its fair share of problems the first 2 years ( maybe in 2 years I might but one ☝️ )

2023 KTM 390 Advs are going for $1,400 under list at a dealer near me. (That dealer lards on about $1,600 worth of setup charges usually...) They have 890s (several) at $1,700 off. Looks like a bit of a supply pinch. If demand falls off in the US, going to be some real bargains out there. Wonder how much the REH 452 will shake things up.

Hearing how the new 6 speed 452 handles fast road conditions, will be the BIG decider for sales! The 411 was a great bike, FOR THE PRICE, but if the new bike cannot CRUISE (not thrash it's guts out!) at 70-75 mph for 200+ miles, and retain it's BUDGET BIKE price tag, then many will question if the bike has the same future the old bike enjoyed! Personally, as long as the new bike can "do motorways" and other fast roads, AND come in at no more than £500 more than the old 411, I predict another WINNER from Royal Enfield! It is very likely this bike would squash all further noise around the demands for a 650 twin version, IF the 452 comes up trumps! With a Scrambler already being unofficially heralded, and the replies NOT being as congratulatory as they could be, could we be seeing the end of Royal Enfield's latest "honeymoon period"? They visuals on the "Bobber 650" weren't exactly inspiring either! (not exactly the "Shotgun" concept we were expecting?

I think the himalayam improves every other bike. There is nothing better for a light adventure motorbike. Power check Abs off rear check Ground clerance check Tubeless option check Tank capacity check Optional hard lugagge (cheap) check Integrated sat nav check Suspension travel check Price (not confirmed but the 411 is 8,100aud, how much can this be?) Weight? Only ktm 390 wins here (klr650, cb500x, himi400) and still 196 wet, not too bad. I believe best news of all is it will (i believe) push other manufacturers to go this way. Thanks for the video! Cant wait for EICMA

So basically the SW is exactly the same as 2023 with a new decal on the ducktail and the standard version now also has the orange frame and new colour and decals. I was hoping for the 399cc like the new Duke at a minimum. Maybe next year.

Waiting for the Suzuki V-Strom 500, Mr. Pierer.

Excited for the new Himalayan! Have some reservations about the old model: Bit underpowered (for my fat arse anyway). Not roomy enough for taller riders (I'm 6'3"/190cm). Short service intervals: I do around 20.000km/year; valve clearance every 5000 km/6 months means I would have to get it serviced every three months! That's a deal breaker for me.. The new one addresses at least one of these things (power). If it manages the other two as well I'll pretty much have to get one!

21 for.sure

I loved my 411, but I love my 390 even more. The Himi will go anywhere, but lighter and faster is my preference. Thanks, S

There's a separate rally variant as well, which comes with a long single seat, instead of split seats, different mud guard and an arrow exhaust. It'll apparently be released a few months after the regular variants though.

Ktm should definitely use a new re designed chassis which will reposition the engine giving way to more ground clearance, a 21/18 aluminium spoked rims and a 399cc engine churning out 46 horses. Also don't forget to throw in a high fender beak up front. Use this formula an never look back.❤

No sign of the new motor from the 2024 390 Duke....same as the 2023 SW model then, with different graphics !?

With that low seat height, I don't think the weight is going to be a problem for most and it will make the bike feel more planted on tarmac. I'm waiting for the Triumph 400x to arrive in my country and then saw this new Himalayan. I would still have to go with the 400x because the new Himalayan is just not going to be much fun in the twisties or switchbacks. But, as an adventure bike, this makes close to the bullseye and will probably make 30,000 dollar BMW's look silly on the trails. I think the new Himalayan will sell like crazy in India, they will not be able to make it fast enough. Now a real, credible ADV, just not the best everyday bike unless you live where the roads are very bad.

I thought KTM released the 390 SW last year?

Looks good! With RE reliability is always a question. Hopefully fit and finish is improved aswell.

The power figures on the RE are with all the euro emissions garbage. I’ll be curious to see what it will be producing once uncorked. And compared to the KTM the RE makes torque much lower in the rev range making it better suited to slower speed technical terrain navigation. I’m a bit concerned that it’s designed to only fit shorter riders and will feel quite cramped for anyone over 6ft tall. I’m 6’2” and like the lightweight ADV category but don’t want to have to fold myself like an accordion to ride it. CFMOTO reportedly has a 450 ADV that looks much like the IBEX 800 which is due to launch in 2024. Kinda looks like what the Versys 300 should have been. Smaller displacement motor while still providing the full size bike dimensions. I never understood why smaller motor always has to mean smaller chassis?

Bold new graphics!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

They definitely should have put a 21 inch wheel, and quality suspension… I’d pay $14,000 for a KTM 500EXC type, that can carry a tent !

I think the 452 will be a winner, any news on the rumours of RE entering a team of these bikes in the 2024 Dakar?