Advanced BDK Tech: "Phantom-Land-Refresh" (SSBU Mii Brawler) 

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YES FINALLY FINALLY PEOPLE ARE REALIZING

Nah but now there's more of an argument for chosing it

Been running 1232 for as long as I can remember. BDK just feels right 👌

I was considering letting him rest but since you mentioned it I'm fully on board. Onslaught gang rise

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That the move becomes grounded is the obvious part, the real question is WHY does it become grounded? Brawler obviously touches the ground to regain his stuff, so BDK gaining grounded properties is a given, but why does this only happen to BDK? Why don't other movement specials do that? And if it's grounded, why can it suddenly go back to aerial without stopping at an edge? This can only happen if there's a discrepancy between two values, with one determining BDKs animation, and a different one determining Brawler current state, which is where the "model vs hurtbox" theory (the terminology is probably exactly the other way around but whatever thats not the point) comes from

@@Gaegel “Grounded” BDK travels in the air. So BDK probably has a “minimum height” before it is considered to be an “airborne” BDK so that you can have the different versions of it (with slightly different properties). What I am assuming is that this “minimum height” is purposely introduced into the attack to differentiate a grounded and aerial BDK, otherwise they would all be aerial BDKs. Not all specials have a different aerial version, and not all that do have one can transition to and from the versions. That’s a per special kind of thing. There are only a few sideways moving specials and most of them work the same on both the air and the ground. And even for those that do have different versions, we would have to check if they can transition between the versions Grounded BDK can go past edges without stopping, so if you go from aerial version to grounded version, just like a normal grounded version you would still be able to go through edges the same. Tbh I also believed it was the hurtbox vs model theory when I first saw the interaction, and it could very well be that. We can’t be sure of what’s happening without checking the code, but there doesn’t seem to be any other specials with an error between hurtbox and model, making it unlikely for this to be the only case in my opinion. There are though, a lot of examples of moves with different properties in the air and on the ground, and lot of example of moves that can switch freely between the 2 versions of the moves upon landing (or even upon being pushed into the air by a windbox, going from grounded to aerial version) The special thing that allows PLR would be that this is the only move that has those common properties + also travels horizontally allowing you to do air -> ground -> air (at least as far as we’ve tested, there might be others) At the end of the day, this is all just semantics tbh and irrelevant. If it was purposely introduced into the move in order to allow aerial vs grounded versions or if it is just a bug/miscalculation of “model vs hurtbox” the end result is the same: If you are below a certain height from the ground your BDK (and Brawler) is considered grounded while the move/Brawler keeps traveling like a normal grounded BDK would I was just responding to the part of the video that asked to comment below 😂

@@Zykrex me when the essay

@@Zykrex well man you guys are brining back out the labber in me. There's another move that I know causes a triple jump- corrin's side b. Seems like it would follow the idea of a move that has a different grounded version than aerial, if you do it close to the ground you can get out a triple jump although I haven't been able to find much use for it yet. Maybe this could be something to lab?

I tried to find something similar with feint jump, but I couldnt get anything edge specific :/ I think feintjumps triple jump is more a general down-b bug (moves like wolf reflect can also give a triple jump), but if feintjump is able to semi-edgecancel, that would be INSANE

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@@samuelungar6528 nair spammers can get free grabs

@@amotoz yeah, I got that. What do you mean moding your switch?

I believe he can't tell if its actually true. As in, the regular combo counter doesn't let you see if nair-grab is true. Thus needing modding.

TBF both Suplex and Onslaught also get massive boosts from "wavebouncing" them. If you want to do them "optimally" you should be wavebouncing them in like 95% of cases.

@@Zykrex it feels a lot more necessary with BDK imo

@@MrStokes for sure I agree it feels more necessary, but I think that's because no-momentum BDK is kinda bad, so if you want to BDK in the direction you're not moving, it feels 100% necessary to do a Slingshot. Meanwhile Non-Reversed Suplex is still amazing so you don't really care as much. In reality Reverse Suplex vs Normal Suplex is a bigger upgrade than Slingshot BDK vs Maximum Momentum BDK.

@@SaphStrumm Hopefully I'll have better answers to that question in the future

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