Advanced Guitar Signal Paths Explained

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Today, I'm breaking down Four-Cable-Method and WET/DRY/WET guitar signal paths!
For some guitarists, running an entire pedalboard straight in front of an amp doesn't cut it. However, building a four-cable-method or WET/DRY/WET rig can seem like a daunting task to the average DIYer.
In this video, I'll take you step-by-step through four-cable-method and WET/DRY/WET signal paths, so there is nothing standing in between you and the rig of your dreams!
Table of Contents
00:00 Introduction
01:11 Mono Signal Path Review
03:58 Four Cable Method
14:00 Traditional Wet/Dry/Wet
19:30 Modern/Easy Wet/Dry/Wet
24:38 Noise Gate Placement
26:38 Conclusion
Understanding Signal Path: Part 1 (Pedal Order Explained)
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@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Table of Contents 00:00 Introduction 01:11 Mono Signal Path Review 03:58 Four Cable Method 14:00 Traditional Wet/Dry/Wet 19:30 Modern/Easy Wet/Dry/Wet 24:38 Noise Gate Placement 26:38 Conclusion

@jamesdougherty9779 3 года назад

Great information. I use older amps without effects loop. I use an Origen effects slide rig and play lots of slide. Origen recommends that the compressor should be first in the chain and then boost, gain etc. I am not sure where to add the volume pedal for that pedal steel sounds that this great compressor gives me and I’m waiting for my new volume pedal and just want your sage advice! Thanks and I love what you’re doing. I’m also not up on the buffer pedal you mentioned! Wildroot!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@jamesdougherty9779 If you have a buffer, that should be first, also fuzz or impedance sensitive before compressor as well. Volume would go after gain as I suggest here.

@deanaf 3 года назад

I think I'm finally getting it. The way you rattle off knowledge is nuts. Thanks.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@deanaf I'm so glad!

@clydehannah1056 Год назад

These two Shows have helped Allot, I’ve had to watch a couple times but what’s the best volume/level settings from pedal to pedal for the signal?

@seankent1807 3 года назад

Mason, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us all! Always great content 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

My pleasure!

@nikoladjikic9758 Год назад

Maan, shout out to you for the knowledge and interpretation and shout out to the crew. You are all doing phenomenal job! Super helpful, entertaining and informative. Even some complicated things are presented in fun, perfectly paced, easy going way. Love that you care and repeat to make sure we don't get lost. Love suggestions no matter what they are about! Cannot think of more professional group of people. Even if there is, im glad im in that time that i can learn this way. Just enjoying!!!

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Much appreciated!

@karlsalocks 3 года назад

Dude. Great channel. Signal paths can be a serious rabbit hole. You do a very good job explaining.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Glad you think so!

@chrismosquad1056 3 года назад

Thank you. You cleared up the difference between “line level” and “amp output level.” Very much appreciated. Thinking of putting an EQ in my effects loop.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

👍👍👍

@HowardFrischer 3 года назад

I love videos like this. Knowledge is power.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching Howard! So glad you dig it!

@darrellowe4208 3 года назад

Mason, you did spread the info on thick, and I love it. Normally I listen to information type videos like this sped up because explanations are taking too long. It was nice listening at a normal pace. I also love your content, clear, concise, as it inspirers questions and answers them too. Thanks!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@taylormonaghan699 2 месяца назад

One of the most helpful videos on FX loops and options for where pedals can go. Really needed this

@purple76seaslug 3 года назад

I gotta feeling I’m going to be watching this video over and over again for the next six months. It really changed the way I think about my wet dry wet rig.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Let us know if you have questions!

@purple76seaslug 3 года назад

In fact there is something: on the “modern WDW”, after the tri-tone chorus, the line signal splits in stereo, right? It seems to me that the Parallelizer mixer has a mono input (from product photos). Can’t I just skip the mixer and connect in stereo the time based effects? My rig is Tri-Avatar>Blue Sky>TC Nova delay. Thanks!!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@purple76seaslug they are release a stereo version shortly, so this is perhaps preemptive, but you can also sacrifice loop 1 in the current version and use return 1 as another input. The technique is correct however despite the limitations of this particular device.

@cristianrobertodelano6494 2 года назад

That’s exactly what I’ve done all day today. My wife is becoming an expert! Lmao!

@kellyjandrews Год назад

This video cleared up so much confusion for me. Great overview 🤘

@nomadicexplorers 3 года назад

Man, was this video educational! I appreciate you

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@roverer109 3 года назад

Thanks for another great lesson!!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@bwm5150 3 года назад

Favourite channel on RU-vid! Great stuff, thanks!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

🙏🙏🙏

@glennberthiaumesr2949 2 года назад

Really appreciate all you do with sharing all this info. I have really learned a lot and am building or better yet rebuilding, adding a few pedals, and locating pedals based on your recommendations and yes!!!! I'm adding buffers!!! Definitely will be checking out all of your videos and will be around... I've had some ideas about this yet really didn't know to much in the whole scheme of things, but always wanted to learn more about dialing in various tones. Now i'm focusing on tone emulations much more... anyway, thanks again...

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

🙏🙏🙏

@danmorrison8746 3 года назад

Also excellent video. This was incredibly informative. I'm several guitars and amps away from pivoting to a stereo rig but it's very tempting.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

🎸🎛🔊 go for it!!!

@SFolkes97 3 года назад

Wow! Best 28 minutes spent for "beyond the basics." I have watched Josh, Brian, Dan and Mick for YEARS, learned a lot, so this is NOT a diss. Rather, just saying Mason has done the best job of breaking down - concisely - an enormously dense topic into bite sizes, with clarity, AND enough diagrams. Dan and Mick would take an hour and a half, meander, and I wouldn't be as clear at the end of it. It's their style, love you Dan and Mick, but this is Mason's strong suit. I didn't know about the Parallelizer and it's a game changer for me, as is the modern W/D/W. Much appreciated!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

So glad you found it helpful, there’s one drawback about the MusicomLab that was an explicitly said in the video, it doesn’t have stereo input, but you can use the first return as a second channel if you need to go stereo in and stereo out. Nevertheless the theory is still the same as what shown in the video.

@SFolkes97 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc That's true about no stereo input - I really wish the pedal industry would just standardize to this extent: If your pedal has stereo outs, please make it have stereo inputs too. Can't count the number of times this has caused problems. When you start trying to mix or come up with a pedal order when you have a TC Chorus/Flanger, a Blue Sky, an El Capistan, a Deco, a Flint etc, you run into that one-does, but the next-one-doesn't thing and it gets very frustrating. But the Parallelizer helps and the price is right.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@SFolkes97 in the mixer you don't need stereo input since it's just for the input muting and the pedals are set to 100% wet. For a serial rig it's more problematic - however most of those pedals you mentioned are all stereo in if you use an insert cable.

@SFolkes97 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Got it, thanks. I was unaware some of the small Strymon pedals had internal jumpers to set up TRS stereo inputs. (Read the ENTIRE manual Steve.) The El Capistan is one of them. Unfortunately mine is an early one without the jumpers (pre 2012) and has the audible click footswitches. I didn't even know there were two versions until now. Not a big deal, just inconvenient sometimes.

@codybreyer7175 3 года назад

What an authoritative overview of the complexities of signal path. This was gold!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

I hope you found it helpful...it's one way to do it, in the end this is all matter of taste.

@wenzydemar4406 3 года назад

Waiting! Super excited

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

🎉🎊🎸🔊🎛

@frankardos4211 3 года назад

Afterthought about buffers. I grabbed one of the EMPRESS buffers not long ago (the stereo version) and I'm blown away at what it can do. Thx again dude.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Our pleasure!

@MikeSadlerAU 3 года назад

Great video... thanks! I'll be sharing with lots of folks who seem to struggle with this... your diagrams sure help. I do a variation on your Wet-Dry-Wet setup, taking a split of the Dry feed destined for my 'dirty' amp and sending it through a Two Notes C.A.B. for (optional... footswitch or MIDI) Power Amp and/or CAB simulations before feeding the first of my mono-to-stereo effects pedal(s) and then to the Wet input. With the simulations on, I can feed the stereo Wet signal to powered wedges, the PA, or even a bespoke FRFR system. With the sims off, I can use clean-ish guitar amps (potentially rented backline) as the Wets. If I have the luxury of time/resources to do it (often only in the studio/live feed or sharing my backline with others on e.g. a charity gig) I can use any combination of real amps and/or speaker cabs, plus any combination of FRFR amps and cabinets on either or both the FOH and foldback/IEM mixes...even the on-stage sound. It gives me lots of versatility to ensure I have my default Dry 'dirty' sound from my personal amp, but good Wet from whatever makes sense to take with me... usually *just* my own pedalboard and amp, plus two light-weight, 10" powered wedges... so every item is less than 10kg :-)

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

This is more of a split system, you can get a cleaner result of of the Line Out or line out box from you amp to feed your Two Notes and any wet processing effects. You can also adjust the volume of your wet/dry ratio acoustically and not have the series of effect be impacts in the same way as a serial split set up.

@MikeSadlerAU 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks Mason... I'll give that a go! Really, really appreciate the feedback :-)

@jmd76family 3 года назад

Thank you for explaining 4 cable method!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Yes, of course!

@GregSB1 3 года назад

Using a stereo cab sim setup for the L/R Wet was a great point. I honestly had not considered that. Brilliant!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

I don’t know if that was their original intent, but it works great for this purpose, you could also easily use something like a cab M from two notes as well

@Widdy5150 3 года назад

I replicate think with the helix.....out 1/4" to real amp(dry) & cab, xlr L/R out to PA with the wet effects added. 👍🏻

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@Widdy5150 That could also work.

@sterlingmcvay2469 2 года назад

Thanks, very informative

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@sachwah 3 года назад

Excellent video, Doc! This is the direction I'm headed, and you cleared up some concerns I had. I'll be hitting you up on the Rig Doctor Patreon page for a full on "Vertexorcism" ASAP.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks so much for watching!

@efsglass 3 года назад

Great video!!!!!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@reverendg5937 2 года назад

Your the Man!!! Thanks

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Glad to help

@mirrorandaqoute Год назад

Thanks for the videos @VertexEffects, very helpful! I'd really appreciate your feedback on my rig plans... I mostly record in my home studio. I use a DI box so I can run my amp live while still being able to record a DI signal into my DAW. I then run line level from my direct out on my amp into my DAW and record both channels at the same time. I'm running a high gain distortion pedal and a tube screamer into my clean channel on my Revv G20. (btw I tried switching positions between the two mid to high gain pedals and you are absolutely right about the lower gain pedal going after the high gain pedal). Anyway... I want flexibility; the option to switch between the high gain pedal and my amps built-in distortion. Therefore, I'm applying the 4-cable method and using my FX Loop as you recommended. I want to introduce a gate and looper into my signal chain. The looper for live shows where I might have a third guitar part. Unfortunately you didn't cover these pedals in your video, so I scoured the comments here for answers. Between some of your replies and my own logic, this is what I was able to come up with... instrument output>DI box input>DI box instrument level output>tuner input>tuner output>buffer input>buffer send>dynamics input>dynamics output>gate input>gate send>distortion input>distortion output>buffer return>buffer output>amp input>amp send>buffer input>buffer send>gate return>gate output>modulation input>modulation output>time-based input>time-based output>buffer return>buffer output>looper input>looper output>amp return I think I got it, or I believe I'm pretty close. I'm questionable about the tuner (Peterson strobe) placement, modulation effects being in the FX Loop, the routing of the buffers and placement of the looper. I'm not sure if the DI box is acting as a buffer already. Also, I would assume a gate falls under the dynamic category since it behaves a lot like a compressor but it still makes sense (to me) to keep my other dynamic pedals before and out of the gates FX Loop. Appreciate your time and love the videos, Ryan

@frankardos4211 3 года назад

What's up Mason! Bless you brother and good day to you.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Same to you!

@michaelbruderer9474 Год назад

Thanks for the great explanation! If I use a tuner with a built-in high quality buffer such as the TC Electronic Polytune 3 Mini with the built-in Bonafide buffer and then into a passive volume pedal, does a separate input buffer before such a tuner-pedal become obsolete or even damaging?

@josephstacy8678 5 месяцев назад

Hey Bro loved the video man. I learned a lot. So I have a request/question. Could you do a video on how rthis would work for a multi effect unit or modeler?

@chankoBro Год назад

Great video! Just wondering if you’d have some advice on where and how to set up vocal pedals, like the TC Helicon harmony singer 2 etc. where in the chain would that be? Should vocal pedals be placed in a chain or not at all?

@brad6919 3 года назад

Great videos

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

🙏🙏🙏

@uriel-heavensguardian8949 Год назад

Thank you for this. I’m new to the guitar playing scene. Haven’t even gotten my guitar yet🤣😂😆 I don’t want a speaker cab yet. I want to preamp the signal with the option of using effects pedals or not and out put straight to my interface. Is that an option with this. And what would you or anyone in the comments recommend.

@datooch 2 года назад

I just set up my first pedal board. I was wondering if there was a preferred cable type to use from the amp’s fx loop. I’m currently using 7ft D’Addario solder-less cables I made that run from my PX-8 plus to the amp’s fx loop. I have it so the fx loop is integrated with loops 1-6 and loops 7-8 are my before amp effects. The D’Addario cables are bulky and I think I’m going to start replacing them one by one with your pre-made patch cables because I have a feeling that all the patch cables I made won’t work so well when I test my rig out this weekend. I’m already regretting the switcher. I’m just a hobbyist and it really is overkill. As always, thank you for these amazing videos! Very informative and I’m hitting that like button every time.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

I would ONLY use soldered cables, we have plenty of videos on why this important. For the effects loops I would use the lowest capacitance possible you can find. Something like Mogami 2524 or Gepco X Band would be good candidates. We also sell our recommended cables on our website and at Sweetwater.

@harmoniicsqueal Год назад

Champion video

@joshhamester 2 года назад

Dude Mason thanks so much for recommending this video! Solved my problem with my NS2. You made it perfectly clear to figure out is it the amp or the pedal making the noise. In my case it was the pedals so the first method was magic! My amp is a Orange 35rt practice amp so I am interested to try and use the FX loop. Is it worth running any of this into that?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Glad it helped!

@Poukkula Год назад

Great, detailed video Mason! New to the wet/dry/wet talk (been Kemper for years). Would the Two Notes CAB M+ work in place of the Suhr Line out? ie, Mesa Mark IV to 2notes (line out to wet effects, XLR used for mono signal). Thanks for the help Mason, great stuff!!!

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Tony, ideally you still have the Suhr for isolation and polarity and just use the Cab M as the last thing in the wet chain of effects, not the first.

@peace2u2 Год назад

I am new to all this so ,Out from a mono pedal I plug into the input R of the stereo pedal ,I hear only one of the two amps .if I remove the cable from the stereo pedal and plug it into the other input ( Mono) I hear only the other amp. Trying to get volume from both. running two cables from the stereo pedal L /R , do I get some kind of split cable to go from Mono pedal into both stereo pedals inputs??

@rutsneischmitz 3 месяца назад

Just got myself a GFI Enieqma based on your other videos. Would love to know how to place it in the Wet Dry Wet signal chain, as you have mentioned it can be used in front end and back end of signal path.

@volkerlinzer844 11 месяцев назад

Want to run 2 different flavor 2-Channel amps w/ different Boosts in front and e.g. stereo delay in effect loop. Can/do I have to use a “7 cable method”?

@vincent33195 Год назад

Awesome awesome video Mason. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Instead of the Cab Sim, if I’m using two small combo amps, would the delay feed the return of each combo? Or would it be going into the front of the combo amps?

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

If both combo amps have effects loops and you want to run stereo effects loops, then the wet effects will go into the two effects returns. If you're running wet/dry/wet and you want to use them as power amps, then yes, only the FX Return (power amp input), do not use the input of the amp.

@ProfVonW 2 года назад

For classic WDW, I’m not sure how to route the stereo outs of my Boss DC-2W or Tricerachorus into the Musicom Parallelizer. The Parallelizer only has a mono input. Do I just go straight into return 1 (L&R)? That leaves me with two loops, one for a micropitch and one for reverb, correct? Then take the two Parallelizer stereo outs into the return 1 of a second Parallelizer for two more loops (for two mono delays or a single stereo delay)? Also, why not have the chorus in a parallel loop like the other pitch/time effects?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

I would put output L from your stereo chorus into the input of the Parallelizer, and output R from your stereo chorus into loop 1 input on the Parallelizer (mix set to max). Then put the Reverb and Pitch in loops 2/3.

@frankwonderly6569 Год назад

What are Input and Output Buffers? Any recommendations on some good models i can buy?

@riccardofederigi9191 11 месяцев назад

I’ve learned a lot. So, now the next step 😊 where you’d put a loopstation pedal in the WDW chain? I’m guessing that a Looper at the end it’ll never replay the distorted sounds… on the other side a Looper before the effect loop return from the amp will loose the right wet sound… Any hints?

@StaticRome 3 года назад

@8:36 is the buffer before amplifier input there because of a 12 to 15 ft instrument cable run...from pedal board to amp head ? Do amplifier FX loops normally have built in buffers? If someone is using the 4 cable method with a loop in the Boss ES-8 switcher pedal board, would they need four buffers in total?...1.) input to pedal board. 2.) ES-8 send to the input of amplifier. 3.) Fx send from amplifier to ES-8 return 4.) ES-8 output to return of amplifier 1.) and 4.) can be from a High Wire Mesa Dual pedal on the pedalboard. But 2.) and 3.) would be single buffers?...where 3.) is back on the amplifier far away from pedalboard? Thanks for the help!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

You can watch more about our buffer strategy on our buffer videos but the input buffer is there to load the pickups and convert the signal to low impedance, however, the effectiveness of the input buffer is nullified once you either 1) turn on a true bypass pedal or 2) run into another buffered pedal. With that in mind, the input buffer at best is loading the guitar pickups as they should be with a 1M input (common of most amps) and maybe buffering the first few pedals at best, then you're dependent upon your pedals on your pedalboard to drive the line the rest of the way back to the amp. This is a problem as pedals range all over the place, from 50K+ down to 100 ohms (but rarely under 1K). For this reason the output buffer dead last in the signal path in front of the amp is critical because most pedals can't drive even 10ft. of low capacitance cable without some loss, degradation, EQ change, or distortion being introduced. Most FX loops are passive, however some are buffered, but most are poor - and color the signal a lot. The Boss Buffers are poor, BJT output buffers JFET input buffers, 1M (if you're lucky depending on the device) on the input, and 1K on the output normally, never lower than that. You'd be better off running your High Wire as a dual buffer in front of the amp, and getting something like a Klienulator as your FX Loop buffer that will turn a passive loop into an active buffered loop. If you FX loop is already buffered, I'd just get a separate buffer for the return like the Mesa Boogie Stowaway or similar.

@patrickcarroll1754 3 года назад

Mason you don't realize how excited I am for this

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

🙏🙏🙏

@jrcrooke4583 Год назад

@VertexEffectsInc If you would be kind enough to take the time, I need an assessment of my setup, and any opinions or suggestions on what I'm doing wrong/right or could do differently. I'm using what I'd consider a hybrid setup where I'm running a few analog fx with a Pod Go. Current signal chain is: Guitar> JHS Killswitch> Livewire passive a/b/y box([a] channel for d.i. and [b] continues to rest of pedalboard)> MXR Talkbox (which has full bypass mode when engaged)> Original Morley Bad Horsie II> Ibanez Mini Tube Screamer> MXR Noise Gate> Guitar in of Pod Go and using 4cm from Pod Go into my Orange Micro Dark head. In my Pod Go signal path, I have: Volume pedal> modulations (Chorus, Flanger, Phaser, Trems)> FX Loop> Amp Simulation> Reverb> Delay> EQ? (Sometimes?*). I'm using a Diezel Amp Simulation in the Pod Go and have my Micro Dark head set up for gorgeous clean tones with the gain at just around 8 o'clock, tone at 3 o'clock and volume at 3 o'clock. Assuming you're familiar with the Pod Go and its features, how would you go about signal routing with this kind of setup? Amp Simulation before or after FX loop in the PG chain, analog pedals in the PG fx loop, etc? Your time and response are greatly appreciated!!

@tompritchett1549 2 года назад

What about running 4CM on a channel switching amp that has a built in gain boost on the OD channel as well as an outboard tube saturation (Koch Amps The Greg)? And where should I put a noise gate that has its own fx loop?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Depends what it is, I go through both scenarios in this video...please re-watch the part on noise gates.

@GW2_Live 3 месяца назад

After watching many of your videos I have a few questions, with impedance sensitive pedals, what do you do with an active bass? They are supposed to be before the input buffer the but the active bass has the input buffer inside of it? if I were using pedals that are buffer bypass (mostly boss pedals) considering the pedal order the worse buffer should go after the good quality input buffer correct? Thanks for these videos they really are helpful, they make a world of difference in building my rig so far

@marzbitenhaussen 2 года назад

how would you place pedals like the MicroCosm or pedals that have multiple effects like the Black Hole symmetry that includes fuzz, reverb and delay and last question I have difficult time to place a signal routing control like the Mission Control from Spaceman effects and also what pedals are best to use inside the effects loop that this pedal creates, sorry for so many questions, thank you for your insights

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Probably with the time-based stuff since it's more reverb, delay, looper style pedal.

@braddsllew2312 2 года назад

Can you help me out of the path of a fortin zuul with a splitter/buffer? Where would the tuner/wah go and where would I put my distortion/chorus/flanger/delay ?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

What are you using it for...most guys are using it as a way to feed the Key input of their gates.

@daaaMook 3 года назад

Just a fantastic set of videos! Thanks for all you do. I have a question… I am currently going from my guitar into a Radial JDI, which is then sending its THRU signal to my amp in chain (4 cable method) and off to my DAW/mixer to record the raw guitar sound. This way I end up with a raw guitar track (for reamping if needed) and the full effected signal recorded. I briefly saw you had a buffer splitter after guitar, which got me thinking about my setup. Am I preserving tone/sound with how I am doing it? Or do you recommend another approach?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Where do you see the splitter?

@maxeickholt 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc they are talking about when you were showing the key input on the Fortin Zuul. I have a very similar setup to what he is describing and I think he is asking about how a DI fits into this if you can clarify. Guitar is going into the DI which has a through to the amp path as well as the balanced 600 ohm output to mixer/interface for recording the dry signal. On the amp path from the through on the DI I then go to my tuner with bypass and then input buffer, and so on.

@cablescribbles 2 года назад

If your using the compressor on a bass on a simple one line system, would you put it in the dynamics area? I saw the dyna comp up there and was wondering about its position here versus the more complicated position in the wet?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Depends if you want to use it as a limited or as a compressor. Many bass players will use it later in the chain for a more "studio" sound after their distortion and drive style effects.

@charlesb7831 Год назад

I know it's more a one off kinda thing, however what about when running several amps on something like a Radial JD7 Injector? Apparently I've been told more people use them then I'm aware of lol. It just seems a whole different ballpark when running multiple amps with 1 pedalboard through a system like this?

@rondesrosiers2196 2 года назад

Thanks again for this video. I have a question for your opinion on a set up for a newbie to set up a board knowing that I am trying to replicate Def Leppard tones and Van Halen, Boston if there are devices to drop in your sound path for a 4 plug set up? I have no idea one brand from another and if you have a preference that you could suggest for what you would build to replicate that sound I would greatly appreciate it. New to Guitar and totally lost with pedals and have not started set up yet, but I totally appreciate your videos and any and all suggestion you have. You are awesome at explaining this and I am so glad I found this on u tube. Have a great day

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

A lot of this will be your amplifier. You can supplement with things like phaser, chorus, delay, reverb, to complete the sound. What's your amp?

@rondesrosiers2196 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc I have a Marshall I think DP 40 , Boss Katana MkII 50 and a spider V 100. I don't use Marshall much because i cant seem to figure out how to get the right sound out of it, but everyone says that the Marshall is the better of all, but i cant figure it out.

@georgekoniaris5071 Год назад

Hey Mason, where would a Digitech Drop pedal go in a rig using 4 cable method?

@studiorat67 Год назад

how would I use a loop switcher in my rig? Does the order matter in this situation

@franklucas9313 3 года назад

fantastic video so clear! I suggest turning down the popping noise that keeps repeating for every bullet point, it's pretty loud in my opinion and it's harder to listen to the speaker sometimes :)

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for that feedback glad you enjoyed the video

@rodrigogutierrezguerra4147 Месяц назад

incredible video, they are a school for many guitarists, a question...where should I put my looper (Ditox4) in this chain? greetings from Chile

@KennyHolloway 3 года назад

I just picked up one of your modded Boss volume pedals. I haven't received it yet but am wondering, did you put a buffer in that or will I still need a boost going into the amp? (Placing it before time delay effects)

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

No, but a buffer would improve them

@IamMusicNerd 2 года назад

Does a Cab Sim pedal like the Two Notes Cab M+ have a good buffer, or would I need to add another buffer pedal after the Cab M+?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

It's OK...500 ohms I think.

@JAF2991 3 года назад

Let's go!😁

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@MK-tj5bf 3 года назад

Thanks

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching

@jeradfox Год назад

With the Four Cable Method is a buffer recommended in between the cable coming from the FX loop send and the first pedal in the FX loop? Thanks!

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

No, not unless it's coming out of the amp on the send.

@jeradfox Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks! Love the videos and I appreciate the information

@seanmckenna228 Год назад

So vintage style fuzz pedals go before a Boss TU-3?

@jbar260d2 3 года назад

Familiar with the new Wampler Gearbox? it has an effects loop option... what pedals should go in that loop? i think its been said that Andy Wood has his compressor in the loop of the Gearbox..?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

You could pretty much follow the same ideology that spoken about here, presuming how you’re setting the gain of the two devices inside of the effects pedal.

@marzbitenhaussen 3 года назад

I am using a small tube preamp that has no FX loops, however I have a Mission Control pedal in my chain, can you give me some tips on how to achieve the explanation on my set up, cheers, I am in Oakland as well!!!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

You can head over to the consulting page on www.therigdr.com, there are options for one to one consults there

@user-mu3ts5gi3t 9 месяцев назад

Just wondering why an additional buffer needs to added if your tuner has a built in buffer? Does it depend on yhe number of pedals?

@Dr.Jekyll 8 месяцев назад

The second time he mentions this, he says that the input buffer is a high quality buffer. So I’m assuming this implies that the tuner’s buffer is lower quality. I’m not sure this is the correct answer; I am wondering the same. But what I mentioned is probably the answer.

@efrainmeza9872 2 года назад

I have a question, 5CM(Stereo 4cm) is like a wet/dry/wet with two amps, guitar and pedals go to amp input and the send of that amp goes mono to delay and reverb in stereo and those split in stereo to the return of amp 1 and the return of amp 2, so is using the original dry guitar sound in amp 1 but delays and reverb in stereo panned to amp 1 and 2(100% wet sound), my question is, is the sound similar with a 5CM rig with two amps to a Wet/Dry/Wet rig with three amps? Or is 5cm a reduced version of wet dry wet?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

5CM and Wet/Dry/Wet are very similar sounding, yet. The only think you can't do is isolate the dry signal with its own channel in the mix separately from the stereo wet signals. If that's not critical, you're getting very close to what the intent of a wet/dry/wet rig was intended to be.

@allenbetts1550 3 месяца назад

What if I tried to make a w/d/w rig by splitting the signal with a mimiq doubler? Basically I’d send one output from the doubler to my “dry” amp and the second output too my “wet” effects. I would then then split the signal a second time from the collider to the effects loop of my other two amps. Think this would work?

@roadshowautosports 2 года назад

Hey, doc, thank you for this in-depth explanation that you call “quick and simple“! Super detailed and concise to the lesser knowledgeable like myself. I have only one question about W-D-W where you show the diagram sending into the dry amp, then it goes to a line out box which will send into the wet effects chain and into the dry cab itself. What exactly is that line out box? Any models you could suggest? Sorry but I’m new at this! Thank you!

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Watch the video we just posted on Line Out boxes last week...it'll help explain this. I think the title is something like "The Best Upgrade I've Made to My Rig In Years" and has a line out box on the thumbnail with a $50 sign and an arrow pointing to it.

@roadshowautosports 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc wow!!!! You answered my comment!!! Thank you so much for the info and all you do for us! Bar none, your explanations of the technical aspects of guitar playing utilizing pedal boards, and the whole equipment involved into creating a great tone, are priceless! I’ve been working on my finances since COVID messed it up, but promise to help your channel in a few months if all goes well. There are a few RU-vid content creators who deserve us giving back a little to improve your life! Thank you very much!

@roadshowautosports 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc just watched it and it clears out the question, sorta. Btw you already earned your own playlist in my library a while back and that video was there already. I bought a pedalboard a while back, right when I started watching your videos, and you were the inspiration behind it! You gave us courage to delve into the realms of sound effects! One suggestion I have, based on the fact that I haven’t seen anybody offering such video, it’s a series of videos showing which effects go with great songs throughout history. I’ve seen you and others showing an artists and their pedals but, for people who doesn’t play out are trying to learn, a detailed list of effects involved to achieve the tone we are after, would be awesome. I bought two of your boost pedals a while back and love them, perhaps you can start a series of pedalboards based on a certain genre, or artist/band, that you could sell with pedals included, maybe some band colors or graphics to make it look awesome. It’s just an idea. Thanks again.

@ConstantinoOfficial 2 года назад

Hey there, absolutely love your videos! I have a question , what would be the proper way to run pedals into a Universal Audio Apollo Interface,utilizing the UA unison amps? The Apollo has the impedance matching to their amp simulations, so watching your videos on buffering etc. it got me wondering what the proper way to do this is, to get the most realistic result? Thanks!

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Treat it just like an amp... you should still use buffers on the input and output of your pedalboard.

@ConstantinoOfficial 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc OK thank you for the reply-so with interfaces in general that have variable / selectable impedance hi z inputs , is there an optimum impedance setting that one should look for when going from pedals and into the interface ?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

@@ConstantinoOfficial 1M for the input into the interface.

@ConstantinoOfficial 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc thank you so much!

@patrickcarroll1754 3 года назад

Mason, would the Old Blood Noise Signal Blender serve a different purpose than the Parallelizer? Does that only serve for blending in the FX loop?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

It would be similar but it won’t allow for stereo

@StephenSmithson 2 года назад

If I were to use an Orange Super Crush 100, do I need a buffer before the "Return" in the FX Loop? They advertise it as a "Fully-Buffered FX Loop," but I do feel a bit skeptical.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Yes, how can the fx return (an input) buffer backwards to the cable leaving your last pedal? It can't.

@StephenSmithson 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Thank you! Glad to hear my instincts were on point there.

@adajay9257 2 года назад

Hi Mason, I have the PolyTune 3 pedal which has the Bonafide buffer built-in. I am a little confused looking at your diagram. On your diagram you have a polytune after what looks like a dedicated buffer. First of all, do I need a dedicated buffer? Also, polytune pedals, whether version 2 or 3, are true bypass. You keep saying in the video that a true bypass tuner goes first (I am assuming in front of the buffer), and a buffered tuner goes after a buffer. Can you please clarify this? Thank you for the great tips.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

No all versions of the Polytune have a buffer option so we have to generalize it. The Polytune has a decent buffer in it (however most guitar tuners do not have good buffers). You could double up the tuner and the input buffer as your first buffer right after the guitar or any impedance sensitive devices if you have a vintage style fuzz for example. You'll still need an output buffer at the end of the chain.

@quiksilver78 Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc I have the Polytune 3 also. Just so that I am clear, the Polytune 3 is OK - no need to put an additional buffer in front of that pedal - I can simply connect the guitar to tuner directly and maybe use a bonafide at the end of the chain (into the amp) is that accurate? Additionally, I have an EHX Ram's Head Reissue. From your 'general' recommendatiion I should put it BEFORE the Polytune 3? Now, for pedals like the UAFX Dream '65 and Ruby (no FX loop) should I place wet effects after those pedals? or in front? I mean neither of those amps originally had FX loops anyway. For the record: my wet effects are simply Chorus, Delay, and Reverb all by TC Electronic and as a matter of fact all have buffered bypass - does that mean anything?

@joelgreenhow8702 3 года назад

If I'm using an amp that doesn't have a line out (AC30C2) and want to try a W/D/W, could I split the send of the effects loop and have one go to my wet effects and have the other split signal go right back into the return to keep the dry coming through the AC30, then have my wet effects going through a Cab Zeus or Iridium or something going to a stereo mixer? Am I overlooking or misunderstanding something about how the send/return section works, or would this work? Thanks!

@almightytreegod 3 года назад

Technically yes, this would work. Watch out for noise and check levels. Start out with things turned down.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

As you can see in this video, we recommend using a line outbox, I give several examples in the video that you can use in order to create a wet dry wet system without any need to have a line out in your amp

@vlhahd Год назад

Would the signal path in an amp with built in effects look like this? Preamp - fxloop - amp reverb - power amp?

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Depends

@alexcross9851 3 года назад

Just a little question: the signal between the first mixer and the second one for delays should be in kill dry mode or a blend of the original signal plus the fx from the first mixer? Thanks in advance! AC

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

The pedals are in Kill Dry typically, the mixers can blend in the dry and maintain the analog dry signal throughout.

@jessejive117 2 года назад

In your opinion, if I’m using the JHS muffaletta fuzz pedal, should I run that before my buffer? My buffer is on the bottom of my board and I don’t want to re arrange. :/ my set up!

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Depends on the mode you run it in and if it actually has silicon transistors.

@jessejive117 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks dude! I appreciate you!

@skylarmobis4681 2 года назад

Hello sir mason...i just want to ask what if i have a walrus acs1,,where should i place it on my signal chain??please help me sir

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Before your wet effects.

@skylarmobis4681 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc sir mason what if i have only a simple signal chain just pedals going to the guitar amp...where should i place the walrus acs1??im sorry im just learning things sir

@ciao535 3 года назад

Great video, thanks! Can I use the new MXR tremolo as my output buffer? The pedal is true bypass by default but it can be switched into buffered bypass. Input impedance 600 k♎ Output impedance < 140 ♎

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

That should be fine as long as it’s the very last thing before the amplifier

@ciao535 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Yeah, it's my last pedal in front of the amp., all the rest is in the fx loop.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@ciao535 ok, sounds like it'll work

@terrywitzu7874 2 года назад

I tried a designated buffer, but even at the end of the signal chain it would really mess up my Fuzz pedals. O.D was fine, but even my Muffroom sounded terrible. This was after trying it at the front of my chain which sounded worse. Is it buffer, or fuzz as a choice? Every other guitarists I asked conceded that buffers and Fuzz don't mix. Is that an essential truth, or is there something we're all missing?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

List the order of effects and the sequence from guitar to amp. Typically if you have an output buffer at the end of the chain, your pedals earlier in the chain will be seeing other buffers inside of pedals or by way of pedals being turned on, that you might not be hearing the output buffer only as the active effect in the chain. Could be something else. Equally, what is the buffer? Quality matters...most buffers are poor, some are OK, very few are great.

@joshfowler8360 3 года назад

i have a pedal at the front of my chain a kingsley page thats on 98 % of the time would i still need a buffer at the front?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Depends with the input impedance is

@flattedsixth4547 3 года назад

Can I put something like a Ditto X2, which is true bypass, *after* my output buffer (a Strymon Big Sky) without compromising tone?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Should be OK, if it’s on its 100 ohm output z as I recall

@flattedsixth4547 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Great, thanks

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@flattedsixth4547 no problemo!

@orryfishburne5326 3 года назад

Buffer before or after volume pedal if your volume is first in the chain?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Nothing changes about the buffering, you can move the volume pedal to either location but the buffer still needs to be first

@martinclayton7260 4 месяца назад

How many times am I going to have to watch this to have a clue what he said?

@mironoskroba8637 2 месяца назад

Hahahah I got it after 2 weeks :)

@stefenwoods7423 2 года назад

I 'm using the 4 cable method. My buffer pedal is the Empress, would like to add a noise gate. The amp is a 5150 iii 50 watt head need to use the gate to clean up amp and pedal noise .Going to use TC Sentry gate how would I place it in the chain? Thanks for any advice.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

You will connect the gate input before your first overdrive and distortion pedals, and use the "SEND" to feed your drive and distortion pedals that lead into the input of your amp. The FX Send out of the amp will feed the gate return. The Gate output will feed your wet effects, like modulation, delay, and reverb before hitting the amp FX Return.

@stefenwoods7423 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc so guitar to wah > empress buffer >Sentry gate>phaser>compressor>TS9 back to Sentry >back into buffer then out to the front of the 5150....FX loop to sentry>chorus>vertex booster>EQ>delay>reverb >Bona buffer>sentry back to the FX loop ..Right?

@stefenwoods7423 2 года назад

PS Just bought the Vertex boost...awesome pedal !

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

@@stefenwoods7423 Wow! Thanks!!!

@mariohuertaguitarrista 3 года назад

Hi doc, ge7 for solo boost, after or before delay? No loop amp, any suggestion? Cheers.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

GE7 won't work in most loops without clipping. I'd put it after ODs

@PostColorGear Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc ah, I'm glad I read this. I have a combo amp and was considering putting a GE7 in the loop but I'll just move it before the pre amp. (Into the "front of the amp") Amp will have the distortion. I understand this means it will drive it more and won't be just a volume boost, but that's ok. Kudos on you sharing your knowledge and helping everyone in these comments!

@rs52594 Год назад

I just noticed a problem with the wet/dry/wet chain. If you want to use a compressor and eq through the line out, it's only affecting the wet left and right sides and your dry center will probably sound off in comparison. This is where I think a stereo rig has an advantage since you have the dry sound in both cabinets being affected by the compressor and eq and would probably sound more harmonious.

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Correct, it will only be on the wet processing side, not on the dry amp side. The other way you could get it on both sides it to do it in the effects loop (since the line out is still printing the preamp and power amp to the wet effects).

@jcarh 2 года назад

For someone who is researching doing an actual board vs. my current stereo setup/s with my HeadRush and my Mesa's head, I was hoping you would show how 4cable and/or stereo rig with 2 amp heads would be wired on an actual peddle board. In short, how do you wire all this on a peddle board? *with a switcher G3.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

We did talk about 4 cable method. 5 cable method would be the same as 4 you'd use the return of the stereo amp only for the effects loop pedals.

@ronysetiadi9939 8 дней назад

Hi Mason, it was an awesome explanation. But I got a question here, how do you apply the 4 cables method with foot switch midi controller pedal like boss es5 or musicomlab. Thanks man!

@VertexEffectsInc 8 дней назад

Use a TRS cable and program it into the controller. It's not really a signal path thing.

@akosideepee 17 дней назад

How about the new hotone volume pedal with a tuner? Where do you recommend to have it in the chain? It also does a buffer (not very sure of its buffer’s specs tho 😅)

@paulris9868 Год назад

So where do I put my Boss TU-3 tuner?

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Already answered in a few of your other questions of the same nature

@Bairov 2 года назад

So in a 4 cable method univibe after od/dist, but in a wet dry wet it goes before od/dist? Why the difference?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Depends on your tastes...I prefer it earlier in the chain before ODs, but some prefer it later.

@dude_crush_ 2 года назад

I have a TC Electronic Sentry Noise Gate. Where should I place this pedal in the signal chain using the 4 Cable Method? FRONT OF AMP 1. Guitar 2. Dunlop Classic Wah 3. TC Electronic Bona Fide Buffer 4. TC Electronic Polytune 3 5. Digi Tech Whammy V 6. TC Electronic Hyper Gravity Compressor 7. TC Electronic Spark Booster (Channel 1) 8. TC Electronic Spark Booster (Channel 2) 9. Line 6 DM4 (not used with Boost) 10. Line 6 MM4 11. TC Electronic Viscous Vibe 12. TC Electronic Bona Fide Buffer 13. Amp input 5150 III EL34 50 Watt Combo FX LOOP 1. Send 2. TC Electronic Bona Fide Buffer 3. Lehle Volume Pedal 4. BOSS GE-7 Equalizer 5. TC Electronic Dreamscape Flanger 6. TC Electronic Arena Reverb 7. TC Electronic Flashback 2 Delay 8. TC Electronic Alter Ego V2 Vintage Echo 9. TC Electronic Bona Fide Buffer 10. Return

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

The video explains this exactly in the noise gate section. Re-watch and let us know if you have questions for clarification. Also if your Polytune 3 has a buffer you can loose the Bonafide buffer before it. Also you don't need a Buffer after the FX Send.

@jamwayofaiken-augustarockb7643 Год назад

I am still just a big dummy. I can understand an effects Loop being necessary to an amp that brings some dirt to the equation. But I don't think you really need the effects Loop if your amp is not even giving any kind of gain or EQ color to what you're accomplishing. As I stumbled about to try to recreate a wet dry wet sound I found something pretty cool. I ran my gain stages to the front of the amp. The send of my effects Loop goes to my C9 pedal which then splits the signal one is dry and totally unaffected the other is also the same until you click the organ on. That second line runs through all of my time based effects. Both of those lines run into an A B Y Switcher but they're running into the outputs rather than the input and then I only have one combined line of the two running somewhat parallel and yet mingled back to the return. It's a kind of a neat wet and dry set up. ( I did not have a line outbox so I did the best I could with what I have) I am still getting the time effect on my phone even when I don't have the organ button turned on it's pretty cool

@jamwayofaiken-augustarockb7643 Год назад

Tone not phone, lol"

@felipeth1 3 года назад

In one of the examples you had a "Hall Of Fame" as the last pedal before the buffer, if that pedal has a "Bonifide Buffer" inside can you take the buffer out?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

If you have a high quality buffer inside your pedal, 1M input Z and 100 ohm output Z, then yes, you don't need another buffer.

@Gblackie13 2 года назад

Just a stupid question...Eddie Van halen was using the PCM70,2 SDE3000,Eventide H3000 without any mixer...how could he place them in parallel...? were they in series...?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

The H3000 and the PCM70 were in a Rane SM26 Stereo Line Mixer, then on the stereo output of the mixer, the Roland SDE3000s were fed which you could have the dry signal (weren't 100% wet). If you use the DELAY only output you'd get 100% wet, but if you used the "MIXED" output you'd get dry and wet in the signal.

@erikhartley2494 Год назад

What’s the simplest way to take one amp with an fx loop (4 cable method) and run the delay/verb in stereo? Cab Zeus? Is the separate mixer necessary?

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

You don't want to use your loop at all, you use a line out box and feed your wet pedals into the cab zeus while at the same time running your dry amp as it's own channel with it's own cab.

@erikhartley2494 Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc thanks! The obvious caveat being a decent PA System and a sound person to man three channels for your guitar?

@Dr.Jekyll 8 месяцев назад

You can get a mono preamp and stereo power amp. You can also get the Synergy SN-2 (has a stereo FX return) into a stereo power amp.