Physical pain is an especially difficult challenge because it is denser than mental pain. It is harder to be with or dissolve. But it is fundamentally no different and is approached in the same way in spiritual practice.
what about...cannabis..rick simpson oil...for the pain., and healig..and then cultivate your flowing stillness...? I don't think that humans are meant to accept pain.. If you are still with your pain...your pain screams at you do DO SOMETHING... if you don't do something you are resisting the flow
@@kathleensutherland6593 Yes, and when there is no more mind to work with and there is nothing to be done to lessen the physical pain what is next? Leaving this physical experience? ... or continuing with it (i.e. enduring/managing the pain)? ...or something else?
@@tmetme7846 Stay with it. Acknowledge that it is a part of your present experience. Manage it as best you can, but beyond that, see what this moment (including the pain) is revealing to you, what it is teaching. It is always a blessing simply to be conscious. Practice seeing your awareness as a gift, and notice all the interesting and beautiful things that are still in your experience.
@@kathleensutherland6593 wow, thank you for responding - much appreciated! There are many interesting and beautiful things in my experience, I lack for nothing, I am definitely blessed. I manage physical pain well - the best I can. I'm pretty good at seeing what the present moment is trying to reveal to me - I even enjoy the process most times. After 6+ years of chronic pain the reveal seems to be 'should I stay or should I go'? Medically assisted dying is legal where I live and I medically/legally qualify for it. I;m open to deeper understanding, knowing, direction.
@@tmetme7846 Tme Tme, I've been dealing with pain for about 7 years, too, now. As you are managing your pain fairly well, I hope you will stay here with us for as long as nature wills. I'm all for medically assisted dying for those who qualify. But I also believe that we are all here for a reason, and we should stay for as long as we can. You have work to do, and part of that work (which you are doing) is to settle into your present experience and care for it, love it as best you can. What you learn and how you share it will help others. And even when you're not interacting with others, the energy we put out in dealing with daily life radiates outward. So we want to radiate strength, courage, and love as best we can. Trust that this gives the world all these good things. I will keep you in my prayers, dear Tme Tme.
I wondering if there are some conflicts between Eckhart’s method (be the witness of feelings and thoughts)and the suggestions adya gave (lean into the experience),or I just misunderstood something 😂
Two approaches to the same effect. Tantric and vidantric I believe they're called. In true spiritual awakening you may have the sense of not being anything that appears in experience, but you may also have the sense that you are everything. Both points of view are right.
I think the main difference between them is that: - Adya encourages more sitting in silence, meditation. Rough estimate is 90% sitting meditation, 10% awareness of what is, while engaging with the world. - Eckhart encourages more awareness of what is, while engaging the world. Very seldom he suggests sitting in stillness with eyes closed, it's almost always being in stillness while watching the world of form move around. It's two sides of the same coin.
no guru or sage or master has ever explained or justified physical pain or suffering....people with chronic illness and pain are miserable suicidal and very very unhappy most modern gurus live like superstars kings or famous rich people with everybody serving them....fuck these words these are not wise words pain is pain no wonder gurus only ever adress mental suffering and not true chronic physical pain
Adyashanti has had quite a bit of physical pain. I heard him once describe how when he was in severe pain, he discovered that his mind just going a fraction of a second into the future made it immediately way worse. I've had severe pain at times through sciatica, and I have only once found that doorway to the present moment without fear of more pain in the future. One time many years ago when I was doing tai chi outdoors in a sunset with a great deal of pain in my leg. For a moment the whole thing became one, and the pain was like a shining light, no problem at all. So I know it can happen. At the same time, did you listen to this whole video?... Adya also tells about how he damaged his body by "sitting through the pain" in meditation.
To say things like "fuck these words" is a clarification of mental suffering which is separate to physical pain. Pain is pain and no spiritual gymnastics will alleviate it. But to uproot the separate self complaining about the body will certainly bring relief.
@james hilton Adyashanti has dealt with chronic stomach pains as well as suffering two serious illnesses in his late 20’s/early 30’s. I understand you’re frustrated but you should know the backstory before judging him.
@Kathleen Hannan these people clearly haven’t read deeply into Adyashanti otherwise they would know the parts you mentioned along with the two very serious illnesses he contracted.
Hi James. Don’t know if you’ll get this but I’m going too try. I most certainly understand through personal lived experience the suicidality that can arise from chronic pain. Omg do I ever. I have had chronic pain for as long as I can remember treating it for years with drugs, alcohol and spirituality too even. I’ve been sober 9 years and am 51 years old now. Through 12 step process, an ongoing process i might add, I’ve uncovered, discovered and been able to discard many many Mental attachments and aversions hiding in my body that subsequently resulted in the physical appearances of pain, discomfort, dis-ease, restlessness and irritability. And don’t forget suicidal feelings, ideations, depressions and 3 suicide attempts. I am so sorry you’re hurting. I do identify and understand ❤ Back to my point. Through the 12 step process along with and including meditation, I’ve been able to,as I mentioned, uncover, discover and discard mental attachments and traumas etc that resulted in the manifestations of physical pain. As I uncovered these things, opened to them and allowed them into my mind and experience, they were and continue to be consciously healed. As they are seen, sometimes repressed traumas need to be not only seen but heard, the various physical symptoms of pain began to gradually and even sometimes instantly disappear. When I’m working with pain today which means not being averted too it nor ignoring it and more so allowing it to be it doesn’t necessarily disappear but it becomes something that is allowed to be. Resistance too it is fuel. When I use the mind to allow it rather than resist it it becomes manageable. It just is and it’s “ok” for it to be there. Sometimes it just vanishes on the sight, other times it sticks around pestering the mind asking for attention. I don’t ignore it but I also don’t feed it. I simply allow. My dear brother, I hope my words find you and give you strength and rest. I love you and I understand. I pray you wellness and happiness. I am not free of pain but I am free of suffering it when I allow it. 🙏❤️
