I agree with Ken's quoted statement: "Wokeness is a response to shield white people from being called racist. That's the prupose of Harvard's race preferences. It's not to help blacks. It's not. It doesn't. It's so that Harvard's administrators can tell the world how great and creative and diverse they are."
Kenny is such a wise and brave warrior for justice and meritocracy!!! He is so calm and so articulated! Great job! Kenney!👍👍👍The recent SCOTUS ruling proved that Kenny is right!👍👍👍
➡️👉Harvard Current Minority Demographics 👈 ✅Black American Born citizens only(Not African Nationals from the continent of Africa)15.2% ✅Asian American 27.9% ✅Hispanic or Latino 12.6% ✅Native American 2.9% ✅Native Hawaiian 0.8%
👉Harvard's Breakdown👈 ✅️White 12,074 ✅️International 6,963 ✅️Asian 4,153 ✅️Hispanic 2,876 ✅️Black 1,994 African ✅️Multi-Ethnic 1,198 ✅️Unknown 1,037 ⛔️🤔Harvard diversity statistics shows that there are 39.7 percent white students enrolled at Harvard University, 13.7 percent Asian students, 9.46 percent Hispanic or Latino students, 6.56 percent Black or African American students, 3.94 percent students who identify with more than one race, 0.197 percent students who identify as American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.118 percent students who identify as Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders.
I hope more people see this. I really appreciate how everyone approached this rationally and kept emotions out as much as possible. Also appreciate the gentleman's apology at the end, and hope that everyone understands where he's coming from.
He's coming from a place of pure emotion. He wants revenge. He spewed some facts and some personal experience, presented no good rebuttal to anything anyone said, and didn't really own up to the implications of his tirade. I only wish someone less silly would have spoken up with a reasonable counter view. Hopefully that's because no one could😀
Thomas Sowell had made every argument and presented every statistic mentioned 20 plus years ago. Thomas Sowell one of the best minds the US has ever seen.
Folks need to read Preferential Policies An International Perspective by Thomas Sowell. Dr sowell never went back to Harvard for any functions. He turned 93 years young on June. One of the greatest mind in our life time .
Black Moderator: “Exposure to High Caliber Black Students”. I went to Cornell Engineering in the 1990’s. Let’s just say the well of black talent ran dry long before it got to a lower Ivy like Cornell, even if Cornell still claims on their website to have the best engineering in the Ivy League. The affirmative action students I met at Cornell were unimpressive to say the least (that’s why they are AA). Calling them under-prepared for zero grade inflation Cornell would be an understatement. Glad the Supreme Court put an end to this ridiculousness. Meritocracy all the way!!!!
This was a fantastic discussion, and while I wish this video enjoyed more visibility, I am glad to have come across it thanks to Reddit and I am glad this channel exists.
Great discussion on such an important issue! 👍👍👍Great job by the panelists and moderator👍👍👍! Our society should have more open discussions like this! Deep appreciation for our Constitution!❤❤❤
Meritocracy is the only option. Meritocracy is not perfect but is perfect enough for a successful society. Mediocrity leads to failure as we see in America today led by the mediocre political class.
I’m SO HAPPY that in the end of this conference, the Black American CALLED OUT the other Black Person for his TERRIBLE TAKE on Asians, and HELD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.
Why was his take terrible? If nothing else, he again showed what these institutions are willing to do to set up artificial quotas. The man had a standard for passing his class, admin asked him to lower his standards in order to keep numbers high, Wouldn't you feel cheated if you were graded equally to someone who didn't do what was asked of them in that class, but you did?
That’s why he did it. So that everyone would know he’s one of the “ good ones”. Everything is hate nowadays. Even giving an account of your own experiences is hate somehow. That clown said what he said for the exact reason I pointed out. A weak black man who wants to be accepted above all else.
@@markballard1515if you start allowing to that kind of attitude, you know what will start happening? A lot of racism rampant like 1950s. You will again start seeing whites sharing their personal experiences about blacks and using AA to limit blacks access. Sounds familiar? While you complain blacks are disadvantaged, you are saying that’s ok when used against another minority. You are saying racism is ok.
The Black American, Caribbean American, African American experience is not a monolith but its also not that different that we don't know each others plight.
Well done, I wish more of those in authority would act in such a calm and reasoned way with polite debate n discussion from informed people. They are of course right that race shouldn't be counted either for or against you in jobs or education, it's called nasty racism. I was also sad to hear how some SCOTUS Justices seem happy to make very wide interpretations of laws and the Constitution to justify their personal opinions and beliefs rather than following the law as it was written.
I don't and won't ask for special treatment. But at least all people of many races in America should have their own right and protection. No matter if we are African American, Middle-east Americans, European American, Latino Hispanic, Asian American, or Native American. There are many Smart people and dumb people in the world; as well as hardworking dedicated people and lazy people. Why hate, prejudice and critical others.
If AA is shut down, I believe that brings a lot of momentum for people to go after legacy seats next. If race can't be use for preferential treatment, then who you're related to should also not be a reason for preferential treatment. Some folks believe that AA is the first domino that needs to fall to get rid of all these discriminating policies.
All I know is that if you have cancer or a critical ailment, or just flying to another city etc, you'd want the most competent professional in the field to serve you. In addition, IMO arguing for affirmative action is in itself a form of racism as to be "fair" to a particular minority race, you'd have to discriminate against another minority race who has fared much better scholastically.
You don’t see but a small handful of Black people complaining about Affirmative Action ending. I’m Black and felt it could have been done away with years ago but my only concern is the racism that exists in this country. A case for ending affirmative action at Harvard could have been based on the graduation rates of the Black, White and Asian students. They were all extremely high only a 1 percentage point difference. The case could have been Black kids can succeed without Affirmative Action but the racism in America would not allow anything good to be said about Black people. Instead you get some Asian person to get up there crying about unqualified Black students taking their slots when their slots were most likely taken by unqualified Legacy students. I have been complaining about the disrespect ever since the ruling but my friends are like F them, let’s just see what happens when they are rejected and don’t have that affirmative action pacifier to suck on. Look for some mass shooting down the road I say.
I said this before and I will say it again. I find it incredible that AA is a thing in a world where we have pilots/surgeons/engineers. I want those professions to be handed and trained by their merits and expertise over an arbitrary measurement of fairness. AA is discriminatory against skill.
As if to say Black ppl accepted to Harvard are accepted despite being functionally illiterate. The graduation rate among African Americans at Harvard is 96%. Additionally, there’s no such thing as a meritocracy at Harvard, because, going by that rubric, the student body would be 48% Asian. Thirdly: just because you’re adept at taking and passing a standardized test, doesn’t mean you’ll be a successful person in life, or that your contribution to society, will be over and above anybody else. Bill Gates was a high school dropout.
@@paulhaye I did not make assertions about functionality and graduation rates etc. That is a whole other debatable topic. The points you brought up are all the exceptional circumstances. Sure, you can be great and do poorly on standardized tests. Sure, you can do great on exams and be unsuccessful. No one is arguing those points. However, there is a base general baseline and for most people the result of an exam is one of the manners in which you can assess viability for a position. People love to use that "Bill Gates was a drop out " line but that is the exception. How many drop out and become Bill Gates? Additionally, he didn't succeed because he dropped out. He did so despite of it. His success is due to a lot of other factors. Bringing up Bill Gates was a drop out shows you do believe success is not contingent upon getting a Harvard education. So then why fight for AA given it's not the end all be all for success? The main point of this is that meritocracy drives society towards progress.
@@Tone2K To show that African Americans at Harvard are not unqualified dunces. They are there because they are qualified to be there. Actually, as sad as it is to see AA go, I’m somewhat glad. What are you all going to complain about now? Hear this: the entire USA, is an affirmative action program…for white people! If you’re a white man, and you cannot make it in America, it probably has nothing to do with affirmative action. Such a person will have to examine their own shortcomings and inadequacies.
@@paulhaye Bill Gates as others of the ilk are the exceptions. Generally more highly educated people have better outcomes in wealth and lifestyle for example, than the less educated.
I don’t want to hear anything Kenny Xu has to say until they repay Americans from the damage covid has caused! Kenny was very anti black on some of his interviews he did, and im so curious why is he so keen on African American in their acceptances in these universities. Why didn’t he bring up how his immigrant parents received money, housing, and guidance with free lawyers to be able to thrive in America, which allowed them to focus on his education. He could have advocated for better funding for public schools.
Affirmative Action has always been a racist/sexist movement. If you are basing your admissions and/or hiring policies on ANYTHING other than merit, you’re committing a discriminatory act of racism/sexism. Asian Americans generally test higher because most don’t live in a culture than celebrates failure and violence. Blame black Americans’ failure to thrive on the fatherlessness and their cultural norms that are antithetical to success. Jews have faced just as much adversity in our history and yet they represent the pinnacle of education and financial success (occupying a huge percentage of our top paying positions throughout various sectors). Affirmative Action is counterproductive and not conducive to a strong nation. If Asian Americans & white Americans are the better candidate, based on merit, they should receive admittance/the job. Nobody is demanding discrimination against black Americans in professional sports (despite a very blatant disproportionately high percentage of black athletes).
@@godzillamegatron3590 That’s what merit-based scholarships are for. Race has nothing to do with merit or opportunity. It’s all cultural. People hating on rich wht families passing on their wealth to their children fail to acknowledge “crazy rich Asians” which exist in larger numbers.
@@Resvrgam Harvard and Yale are still a business. And tuition is their income stream. My question is , can the Asian students afford to pay the tuitions that these colleges require?
YES. Academic standards are much higher. And rightfully so, the students at elite schools are the best of the best, and you have to teach at the pace of the average student. It’s horrible to be at the bottom of your class no matter where you go to school. It discourages those who would’ve done well in another setting to switch programs or worse, drop out and not graduate.
Asian Americans are fed up. We're fed up with affirmative action, we're fed up being attacked on the streets and then told to shut up whenever the attackers happen to be Black men (which was, in fact, quite often the case). We're fed up, as Ken Xu says here, having our hard work thrown in our face. For shame.
Harvard has money💰💰💰💰, tons of money, to cover what they are doing or not doing! It is sad that a leading university just spent so much energy and money to just do the "window dressing" and harm the real justice!
If you think black students cannot do the work, admit it, find a 12-step program, and move out of the way. Expect the same rigor from every student without prejudice. Leave it behind and never look back.
The real problem with affirmative action is that it tries to fix too many diverse problems and lost its effectiveness. We need more diverse programs to address those diverse problems.
@@emryadora ironically, it was used to admit more wealthy African immigrants than historically disadvantaged black Americans. It was also used to admit more Hispanics than Blacks. These top colleges used AA to discriminate certain race (Asian) and mask their wrongs in the past but they actually further disadvantaged the American blacks. What AA should have been is scoping it down narrowly to say american born blacks so it isn’t used to discriminate other races. Alas that wasn’t the case
👉Harvard's Breakdown👈 ✅️White 12,074 ✅️International 6,963 ✅️Asian 4,153 ✅️Hispanic 2,876 ✅️Black 1,994 African ✅️Multi-Ethnic 1,198 ✅️Unknown 1,037 ⛔️🤔Harvard diversity statistics shows that there are 39.7 percent white students enrolled at Harvard University, 13.7 percent Asian students, 9.46 percent Hispanic or Latino students, 6.56 percent Black or African American students, 3.94 percent students who identify with more than one race, 0.197 percent students who identify as American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.118 percent students who identify as Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders.
⛔#FactsDoMatter "Affirmative action has been quite beneficial to women, and disproportionately beneficial to white women. Women are now more likely to graduate with bachelor’s degrees and attend graduate school than men are and outnumber men on many college campuses. In 1970, just 7.6 percent of physicians in America were women; in 2002, that number had risen to 25.2 percent. But - and this is a big but - those benefits are more likely to accrue to white women than they are to women of color, and that imbalance has very real effects on employment and earnings later in life. In other words: affirmative action works, and it works way better for white women than it does for all the other women in America."~IMDiversity and PewResearchCenter
💥💥💥Updated US Census Data💥💥 💥White (Born Citizen):(57.8% of the US Pop./ 204.3 Million People)(This also includes Persian/Middle Eastern/ Arab ethnicities) College Attendance: 42% 💥Black(Born Citizen): (14.2% of the US Pop./ 47.2 Million People) College Attendance: 36% 💥Latino/Hispanic(Born Citizen):(18.5% of the US Pop./ 62.1 Million People) College Attendance: 39% 💥Asian(Born Citizen):(5.9% of the US Pop./ 18.6 Million People)(All Asian Ethnicities/Indian/Pakistani) College Attendance: 58% 💥Native Americans: 2.9% of US Population/ 9.7 Million People)(This include native Alaskans) College Attendance: 19%
The assumption that black students are not up to par with their classmates is so insulting. You’re talking about Education. The material presented is new to each student and how can you make an assumption that Harvard is admitting black students who cannot keep up.Disgusting!
If we did do away with AA then no one will have any doubts if a black or under represented person graduates from ivy leagues school. They won't have doubt about themselves, their employers, and their customers will not have a doubt that they had special preferences. I think it's for the best of everyone.
@@migo-migo9503 Nobody doubts that but racist people. People who get their world view from others vs evidence. Just look at our current SCOTUS today,look at which one is most qualified. You won’t know how Amazing and smart the black community is because they won’t teach our history. Understand that if it was not for many black inventors you would not be remotely capable of even making this comment on your device.
@@HGiff There are no statistics or data that makes that a fact. So maybe your definition of “fact” is whatever makes you feel good about yourself. 🤔 hmm
@@pierrethegod22 In California, before 1996, when affirmative action was still legal in UC system, black graduation rate in UCLA was significantly lower than Whites and Asians. After prop 209, fewer black students were admitted to UCLA, but their graduate rate went up.
The basic premise of the discussion needs to be re-examined. Why should somebody be cut out? In today's day and age, with the levels of advancement in technology, why are we still fixated on old ratios like student:teacher? Why aren't we working towards increasing class sizes? Why aren't we looking at bringing from kids into top tier universities - the argument that it dilutes the class room experience is bogus, especially when technology can do so much of the teaching already.
Affirmative action, concerning the 3rd point, creates a narrative that tells the minority students "you weren't good enough to get here on your own" which is deplorable. Add in the fact that these students were unprepared and that only gets worse. I would hate to see the dropout rates because of it. Affirmative action should have been a case of providing necessary education to lift up people of any race, gender, or religion who want higher education to allow them to succeed in college, extra funding for the poor, and hard rule legislation preventing ANY form of discriminations as to student selection. The bar that should be met is entry scores -- that's it. The problem with such legislation as we have seen so far is that is promotes inequality by definition. For racism to not be a "thing" all people have to be treated equally, no matter what the color of their skin is. Many people who could succeed well at places like Harvard simply cannot hope to afford the education, due to outrageously high costs. These schools were arguably designed to be the education of future leaders, based upon income, and to keep out those who couldn't afford them. I.E. poor people didn't need to worry about a higher education, as they couldn't pay for it. These schools were often founded in classism to begin with.
That black Georgetown Prof. was rebuked enough at the end, but he wants us to believe Asian Indians, who are native English speakers, have problems with class discussion?? No Effing way. What planet is he on?? Not buying it for a second!
We need to make up for the years that white Americans were not given access to these schools. I think a financial disbursement would be suitable. We could issue a reparation! We could make it a huge event .So they get theirs we get ours.
America always put personality skills first. I am qualified for the job but had little or no personality skills so I didn’t get the job. I have known people who could barely read and/or write and you couldn’t tell because they had all the personality skills in the world and they ended up doing even better than others because of their personality. I, on the other hand always had low paid jobs because of it. So, are you saying that America should hire people even with no personality skills. I don’t know………if they’ll change that for one group of people. Good luck. I am not Asian.
Kenny are you happy with yourself hearing this about Jews since you thought it was just about black people? I guessed you left this bit out deliberately.
Hate to burst your bubble but the term of Asian was born out of the PC movement as an euphemism to “oriental” and was never the intention of the woke liberals to include South Asians-they were only included due to a technicality. You would be hard pressed to believe we “orientals” share much with South Asians besides the continent.
Maybe everyone should start out on the same level. MIT stopped grading freshman year because a female chinese burned the dorm room. College isnt supposed to be such a pressure cooker people are killing themselves once they 'get in'. I hear asian students all over uc Berkeley campus talking nonstop about getting in. I heard some optometry students expressing frustration over missing one or two points rather than discussing the actual test question. Optometry is dispensing glasses not opthamology where there is subtlety involved. This grade grubbing obsession with the point of proving you are better than someone else is intended to hurt someone's feelings and hope they fail drop out and fall through the cracks.
if you happened to be Asian which by the way incompased an entire continent make this whole argument nonsensical and up to insulting about the issues they put in display. I couldn't help notice that was not a real debate on the issues rather than a long list of Why are they getting this and am not.
Harvard is looking for other characteristics and qualifications in its prospective student body. There are plenty of black and Hispanic students who deserve to be at harvard. Its not all about points to harvard. Punctuation is part of the SAT you are telling us that punctuation is a compoment in meritocracy
Affirmative Action for African Americans is like actively leaving someone bedbound/deconditioned then at college-bound age, finally giving them crutches to go run a marathon for the rest of his/her life. It‘s very inhumane. They belong in rehab until the root cause is addressed which is inadequate primary/formative education.
Here's a true life example of the older race problem in employment that never went away. A Black man applies for a skilled position as a service technician. He meets all education and experience requirements of the position. All the applicants must take a competitive examination on ELECTROMECHANICAL TECHNOLOGY. The Black man scores 97% on the test to make the number one highest score. THREE white males with LOWER test scores are hired. The Black man who made the top test score was NOT hired! Nothing has really changed for Black Americans but a few visible race tokens on display. Do you see the problem?
@@willharriman1881 You are referring to employer affirmative action. The more common reality we are faced nowadays is white applicants scoring 97th percentile and preferential treatment of black applicants scoring 85th percentile. Again, I’m not saying the reverse never happens.
@@ckrgksdkrak You are somewhat confused! The original race problem in the white dominated USA system is that whites did not want any honest, fair competition from Black Americans! In fact, most employment race discrimination today is specifically defined by Black Americans with concrete SUPERIOR qualifications being passed over in favor of LESS QUALIFIED whites! Historically, many Black Americans graduated from historical Black colleges only to find they were relegated to low level jobs like bathroom attendants and janitors. There are many documented cases where highly capable Blacks were called to TRAIN unqualified whites who would later be promoted above the capable Blacks who trained them! WHAT? You actually THOUGHT only whites could possess superior skills and knowledge? If so, you've been totally brainwashed! Even today, there are Blacks with engineering degrees who couldn't get jobs in engineering! But, the mainstream media only pushes the image of gangsta rap chatacters, so people like YOU think it's Black culture!
@@ckrgksdkrakNo most employers don’t have test scores as a criteria. Second, you totally ignore the fact that white pseudoscience created this whole mess. Blacks were and have always been deemed less intelligent than everyone else. The same pseudoscience allow a model minority to attack black people who have always been excluded from employment and colleges James Meredith is one classic example. He was shot and needed the National Guard. This Asian representative will never go through anything remotely like that and he graduated on top of it. So that standardized inferior troupe is dead.
that's not the root cause either! It's been proven many times over. The root cause is a system what 'sells' the idea of college that is not in the interest of the 'student'. Some people just don't belong in a college/university, and no, that's not a racist statement: you need to see how successful people are from trade schools. Why 'force' people to become book smart when they are not so inclined when they can learn a trade that suits them much better, and keep them out of debt? In today's environment, the idea of a 'college degree' is for the benefit of those who take the payments, not those who are told they need a college degree to get anywhere in life. THAT is the problem.
There should be no preference based on race or anything else. If non-Asian people of color are to get a scholarship or acceptance to the school, they have to earn it without any preference to increase their numbers. If organizations want to offer supplemental educational assistance to get them to higher levels of academic achievement than do that. I think they fear the option because they know even with additional help (supplemental educational resources and assistance) not enough non-Asian people of color will put in the effort, make the grade, or will not have the interest in the more difficult majors such STEM-based majors.
Question for my asian brother: If Asians are capable of such high performance and Harvard is not living up to its promise of accepting high achievers regardless of race, why bother going there when there are thousands of other high performing universities that would gladly take you (and it would probably be cheaper too)? Or, does the desire for a Harvard education extend beyond the academics, say, an Asian who goes to Harvard is superior to those other Asians who did not. It is not clear to me that every graduate of Harvard, though very close to, is not 100% guaranteed that you will live the best life better than a non Harvard graduate, nor does going to Harvard automatically make you a good person.
1) that’s what Asians are doing. Look at colleges in California. 2) the point isn’t Harvard. Harvard is highlighted bc it’s the focus of the case and it’s a big name. Also as the panelist explained it has a cascading effect through all of higher education bc Harvard is at the top
@@huckfin1598 Harvard is at the top because educated elites want it there. Ok, fine, if you can afford to do that. The argument remains cyclical because the name conveys status that others continue to feed it. Ex. Nike is a big name shoe, but that does not translate that the shoe itself is worth what it cost to make it. the market agreed to pay a $200 price tag when it costs $5 to make. Marketing is one hell of a drug. My point is. Harvard is marketing an elite experience, but its behavior reflects the ideas of a naïve 13 year old playing identity politics. To who is the onus on to determine the true value? Or are the attendants and contributors of Harvard victim to sheep/ herd mentality? Again, if Asian are putting in the tremendous amount of work to attend a school that prides itself at the elite level, then turns and abandons the actual elite performers, then, in my vision, it no longer is elite, others opinions be damn. The institution also has a burden to prove to me that it is worth my time.
@@safetythirdified I don’t see how anything you stated relates to my response. Seems like you simply had a response ready and was going to shoe horn it in regardless. Have fun with that
The HBCUs maybe dont have enough clout. Maybe some do some dont need affirmatibe action to succeed. Some students can be grade grubbers and to many college students getting good grades is a game.
This isn't for a Jennifer at every hour of the night a Southeast Asian is awake within 5 miles, included. Sorry. A Chen is your aim. I don't culture as you do. With ,r it's casual chats and saying hi when we cross paths in public. I have a specialty in something else and if you can fit into it without nreakung it's laws, rules and guidelines or insulting anybody, you're welcome to sign up to be in and of my club. Otherwise, don't come into me if you are new to California from Asia, or if you are a member of a society with any specifically Asian causes. On the other hand, written material is fine. I would probably read about your cultural habits and try not to step on your toes but mine are stepped on when new immigrants come here so I've already been stolen from by new guests and settlers to the USA. Thank you for understanding.
Affirmative action = good. If black people are 20% of the population in America, then there will be a LOT of cuts in basketball, rap, etc… let’s see if people still support affirmative action.
@@emryadora you are missing the point. Affirmative action brought to the logical end (I.e. not limited to only college) showcases the extreme idiotic nature of the idea. The only reason anyone would favor affirmative action is because there happens to be 1 instance that you can agree but you become logically inconsistent when it’s placed in other areas.
AA is not an issue in Ivy League admissions. The point of AA is NOT to just pick a random black kid and add them to the school to meet a quota. This is what Asian Americans are mad about and this is precisely why their lawsuit will fail: Say a black student applies to Harvard with a 90% on the SAT/ACT, a 4.0 GPA, extra curricular, and actually has a personality. Say a Chinese American student applies to Harvard with a 95% on the SAT/ACT, a 4.0 GPA, extra curricular, and actually has a personality. Men like Xu claims that Harvard should clearly choose the Chinese American applicant over the black applicant because the Chinese American applicant had a higher grade on the SAT/ACT and if they do not choose the Chinese American applicant but choose the black applicant instead, it's because of Affirmative Action and the black student doesn't deserve that spot. Unfortunately, that's not how admissions works. IVY league schools have not now or EVER admitted students based *solely* on academic achievement. It's only ONE factor. The interview is another, wanting a diverse student body is another, keeping legacy families coming back is another, etc. It's never been solely based on academics. Yet, Asian Americans find it easier to target Black students because they know for a fact they won't win if they try to target Harvard admitting legacies. What's even more telling about their obvious racist attitudes towards black students is the fact that they NEVER question the merit of legacies. They NEVER question if white legacy students deserve to be there or are "qualified" based on their perceived academic standards. But those legacies are white kids....so of course they get a pass. Of course. It's far easier to claim that black applicants do not meet the base level academic level to be worthy of a Harvard admission. It's far easier to just assume that the black applicants do not have the grades or SAT scores to even be in the running with Asian students. Their entire lawsuit is based solely on conjecture. Read the lawsuit. It assumes black mediocracy. It assumes that Harvard admissions is based on who had better SAT scores and GPA's. It's assuming a whole lot actually. It's suing Harvard as if Harvard has committed a crime. As if there is a law that stipulates that applicants must be ranked in Admissions based solely on their SAT/ACT and GPA and admitted at a cut off point. These Asian Americans really want the U.S college admissions process to mimic the way it's done in Asian countries. We are not China...we are not South Korea. We DO NOT do things that way here and never have. But if you are making the argument that we should do things that way....then what are you going to do when Harvard is 99% Asian but only 1% can afford to pay Harvard? Endowments make it possible for Harvard to admit students on scholarship. But if all the white legacy students are no longer admitted because they didn't make the cut....endowments go away. A Harvard education shouldn't be cheapened by merit only admissions. That's un-American.
You’re a complete joke and don’t even provide a valid example. The black student has a much lower GPA and much lower SAT vs the Asian American applicant. This has already been proven out. What has also been proven is that the Asian American is graded much lower in simple things like personality since it’s a simple excuse to give to basically discriminate. When meeting the rejected applicant there are no issues and it’s already proven also that in college b lacks have more behavior and violence issues. The drop out rate is much higher also for b lacks. And you shouldn’t have to worry about 99% Asians because if one raises the expectations for b lacks or anybody then they are more than capable of achieving. Instead of skin color better to go off of income. The whole problem with AA is that rich under achieving b lacks get into Harvard vs poor Asian Americans. AA is r acist anyhow. MLK even said just base off of merit not skin color. Why you want this shows your inherit nature of r acism. Let’s just treat each other equal or if we want those who are poor to have some opportunity then ok.
It’s so funny to me that we’ve come to a point where asking for equal treatment irregardless of race is now apparently racist. These Asian Americans are frankly closer to MLK’s vision for society than you are. Legacy admissions has its own issues, but legacy admissions does not discriminate on the basis of race. Conflating legacy with AA is frankly intellectually dishonest.
In fact, the black students’ credentials are way lower than you portray. You can spin if they just fall short a little bit, but you can’t spin when you’re way below. After all, it is unconstitutional to make any decision base on skin color. That’s precisely the RACIST AA try to correct.
Meh. Wrong. If all academic scores are equal, race becomes the deciding factor. And that’s wrong no matter what. Racial discrimination is wrong. No matter what. So please. Just stop. All that hot air to say that blacks should be given preference based on their skin color. Gtfo with that 😂
Have more tutoring. African Americans are not asking for preferential treatment. Black students deserve reparations. Affluent families take full ride scholarships
@@BorisG491 Rob someone what my friend Asians open business in the black community eat off black dollars plus never give anything back or help the community they just take black dollars and raise little Asian race warriors but we know our enemy now thanks for showing yo true face 👍🏾
This conversation among so called intellectuals is extremely stupid. You have to have certain things working for you to even attempt to move to another country. Our Pokie, RayRay and Shanquila from the hood are not migrating into other countries. Only our best would migrate to another country with the goal of succeeding. To say all Asians have this exceptional morality two parent household sh#3 is crazy when you have Asian massage parlors giving more than massages. I’m done!
@@ladyk7675 no it isn’t and no one is doing that in the video lmao. Just because you don’t like what you hear doesn’t justify your knee jerk racist outbursts via your fragility. Take a seat honey child.
In the meantime, India and china are graduating millions of stem students, and yes, they have their problems, but it’s a race that we won’t win if we keep AA. Perhaps, AA for non stem subjects like political science, history, etc. at least to appease the disenfranchised.however, cancel AA for real subjects like science, engineering and math.
That professor who was ranting and berating asians just lost total respect from me. He should learn how to talk better. I cant believe he is a professor. See what affirmative action does. It allows people like him in. Why do ppl have to be qualified because of race? This is an elite school. People shoild be selected by their merit and not by race. This is an elite school. And not for people who need help.
Affirmative Action may perpetuate stereotypes. But, if we had a pure meritocracy, whites and Asians would not accept blacks who were their intellectual equals. So, where does all of this lead? Why is diversity and inclusion necessary when it will not be appreciated in any event?
You are so right! What good is Black merit when white authorities DON'T WANT IT! Here's a true life example of the actual race problem in employment. A Black man applies for a skilled position as a service technician. He meets all education and experience requirements of the position. All the applicants must take a competitive examination on ELECTROMECHANICAL TECHNOLOGY. The Black man scores 97% on the test to make the number one highest score. THREE white males with LOWER test scores are hired. The Black man who made the top test score was NOT hired! THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED! Black merit is NOT celebrated by whites! That's why Gangsta Rap street gang pathologies are publicized as supposed Black culture!
Any evidence for this? The man mediating this conversation handled it very well. I have a lot of respect for Barrack Obama's oration and persuasiveness. Dr. Chris Raynor on RU-vid is spectacular - informative, entertaining and clearly an upstanding guy. I have black friends and acquaintances who are smarter and more successful than me, I am not black, and I have no problem with that! I do have a problem with being discriminated against, and the understanding that my children will struggle regardless of what I do. I can work 3 jobs and dedicate all my spare time to keeping them on top of classes, getting them access to after school learning, driving them around, keeping them out of trouble. Encourage them to study 4+ hours a day. Do everything right, they will have worse chances of getting into schools than children of other races who score hundreds of points lower on SATs. It's most likely not their fault! Circumstances might have disfavoured those kids and that needs to be adressed. Now all I can say is: 'You tried your best and you were good enough, but you are Asian and so you don't have the racial perspective the Universities need.' It's racism and it's wrong. I hate seeing successful black people and wondering if they were babied in. I want to be able to celebrate black success without these nagging feelings!
Look at Asian history in the US as an example. We seem to take it for granted these days that Asians are so successful and accepted by whites as intellectual equals. It was less than two centuries ago that Chinese immigrants were tasked with the most dangerous, back-breaking work building the transcontinental railroad amidst the harshest anti-Asian sentiments. It was only 80 years ago when Americans with even "a drop of Japanese blood" were rounded up and sent into internment camps during WW2 in the midst of strong anti-Japanese propaganda. It was only 100 years ago when we had cases like United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind which forbid Indian immigrants from becoming US citizens and owning land. Now the CEO of Google is an Indian immigrant and first-generation US citizen. It was only in the course of my own generation that Indo-Americans went from being largely considered poor and uneducated, working jobs like taxi drivers and convenience store clerks with people of all sorts making fun of their accents, to the most successful ethnic group in the US with the highest overall educational attainment and household income: dominating STEM fields and Silicon Valley. While there are always obstacles along the way to changing societal perceptions, there are two broad strategies I've seen. There's the first approach of viewing ourselves as perpetual victims of society oppressed by some group (ex: straight white "cismen"). That doesn't seem to have ever worked for people to be truly respected as equals as it's divisive and doesn't tend to inspire people who believe themselves genuinely oppressed in a rigged system to work harder. This seems to mostly deeply impact certain LBGTQ+ people, black Americans, and feminists more than any other groups, and the impact seems to delay rather than accelerate their true acceptance as equals. Then there's the second approach which is to work hard and conquer whatever obstacles we face, even as underdogs, and that's the only approach I've ever seen working: it's the approach that makes people like Asians and Jews seen as intellectual equals among whites today in spite of coming from a starting poor of absolute poverty and facing so much historical discrimination. It's the approach of someone like Amelia Earhart vs. a modern-day Gender Studies major protesting on the streets to "overthrow the patriarchy". There is one area though where black people have overwhelmingly succeeded in winning the respect of white people and being seen as equals, and that's sports. And I would argue that this is because sports is one of the few places completely untouched by affirmative action and the toxic victim mindset that tends to accompany it. No one factors in your race in the 100m dash: all that matters is who is first to the finish line; it's the closest thing to a true meritocracy that we'll ever find. If more of society functioned this way, I'm certain massive changes won't happen overnight, but I strongly suspect it wouldn't take but a generation or two for black people to be seen as intellectual equals even by the most previously bigoted people.
