After 500 days, Knight is STILL terrible... | Dead by Daylight 

3:00 me when I think a good changes are coming soon

Tbf even if his power would get fixed i dont think he would be much better (still crazy he didnt get fixed tho)

Sometimes otz, when downing a survivor and throwing a guard around the perimeter of the downed survivor ,you can know where other survivors are or down another depending on how long guard chase is

to think he came out (with a shit map) one chapter after wesker.

Your statement is actually incorrect. As a P100 knight main I gotta say: They did manage to fix a major bug with the last Mid-Chapter patch. Guards now FINALLY react to "loud actions" within their detection range. Which has been bugged almost since release. Also Knight cannot teleport anymore and the pallet-stun-nonesense happens less often Still awful to play as tho

It would be cool to have that ranged attack

Aaah you've been with me all along.

At this point, just give us the crucible from doom xD

*inflicts frostbite* survivor gets exposed debuff Knight mains: *Laz0r eyes* yessuuh

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you guys deserve better

Bro posted this 1 minute after the video was posted 😭

Imagine being a Knight main

As a Knight Main, I want to play him but he's so unfun to play in current dbd that I give up until he sees changes 😭

I'm probably going to switch my main to singularity, but Knight will still be my favorite

Wait your cooking

Holy shit they actually did

Thought this was common knowledge

yeah, the way nemesis whip and xeno tail are identical projectiles and one just doesnt have wind up frames and doesnt go down from up, is further proof to this theory, they do this a lot, i've been saying for years how fucking unbelievably lazy the devs are and people wanna give them way too much credit edit: omg i just remembered plague vomit projectiles and trickster knives projectiles too, they are constantly copy and pasting with a different coat of paint

Completely different mechanics with almost nothing in common with each other. The fact that people agree with this is disappointing

Exactly! The code is already there, all they have to do is copy and paste it

Considering spaghetti code copy and pasting could lead to breaking game with self care

Sadako doesn't have invisibility to pallets tho....???

@@pineata she does

​@@pineataonly when she is demanifested.

Unironically, having him cast his ability like a freddy blood pool might be better at this point.

Girl… no one even brought up Skull Merchant. Also you didn’t even think about you said or even watched the video. Otz mentioned that the way Knight’s power is coded is that the Knight is technically existing even during the cast time of your power, even if it doesn’t look that way (not verbatim). It’s almost like Knight removes himself from the trial during the cast time and becomes a new point of view which is what occurs when the path is drawn out. // Skull Merchant doesn’t even function anywhere remotely like this which makes it bizarre to bring her up. Her power deploys an entity (drone) at the location. She DOESN’T become the drone. Skull Merchant & her drones are separate entities. Stunning SM after she deploys a drone functions as normal because by the time she has deployed her drone-that’s it! Shes not connected to her drones, she just deploys them and that’s it.

Skull merchant the most boring killer in Dbd 💀

​@@Polevolterpeople just look for reasons to complain.

Seriously is it THAT hard to code him so he is invulnerable to stuns during his power? Would it make him extremely op SS God tier if he were invulnerable and thats why BHVR refuses to change him?

So damn true. I don't know why he doesn't already have one. It's so awkward having to go into your power for a split second just to break something right in front of you. All I want is just to be able to point at something and my guard breaks it. Wouldn't even be much of a buff, just a QoL ability.

Exactly bro

@@iliveintrash5233 tf are you saying it wouldn´t be much of a buff u delusional bum

It might be a good idea but if devs do that… It will bring new bugs for sure lol

Well I guess the code for that didn't exist until they made it for Sadako, and maybe the idea hasn't come across them yet to just copy that code into Knight

​@@terrypennington2519except the code did exist, just look at nurse and her blink-related stun immunity

Since they most likely just copy pasted the code from spirit's phasing to make the knight's guard placing. They behave so similarly that it's a very high possibility.

I think it depends on a few factors. I cannot stand gen sim, so every single one of my perks is dedicated to stomping in chase. And I'd say it works pretty well 2/3 of the time. Don't give up on fun perks!

@@oMilkTeaaTTV luck does play a part in it. Alot of survivours who aren't as good in chase will lose to certain gimmicky builds. Any knowledgeable survivours will most likely not fall for gimmick builds. Also i just hate machine learning, since it requires so much time to activate and the outcome isn't even worth it.

​@@oMilkTeaaTTV so my options are gen build or pallet build? you still lose if you want to have any real fun build

Behavior should make gen charges require 25% more, then nerf all gen slowdown perks by 50%. BOOM. Now killers aren't forced into taking slowdown perks unless they absolutely need them other perks become more viable. Fire your balance team and hire me behavior

@@rageius but then their majority playerbase of survivor mains all quit and their stock tanks

And Nemesis is more starved for add-on reworks than Chris is for boulders

The only thing Nemesis needs is his zombies being able to be stunned without having to waste a pallet or need a flashlight/bang. It's pretty annoying how his zombies can apply so much pressure to gens, there should be a 6-10 second struggle animation between a survivor and zombie to stun them.

​@@JakeobEThis guy right here. Downvote him

@@JakeobEsounds like a good idea, almost like how with the unknown you have to wipe away his clones. some add ons could increase struggle duration / make zombies unable to be wiped maybe after a gen completes

​@@thef8mmmmMMMmmm boulders...

carnifex at most will waste 12 seconds of a survivor time because survivor can pick up the flag. Otz's issue with knight is that he breaks pallets. with knight, he's not suppose to break any pallets. he's just suppose to zone with guards and get free hits at corners of the map. He's misplaying for how to use the knight.

Nowadays he's so buggy I find difficulty having fun with him tbh

@@kilzfordays look wise and theme so fantastic but gameplay wise just frustrating

I play knight all the time have no issues, maybe it’s y’all internet

a comma could change the whole meaning of that last sentence 💀

Instructions unclear knight nerffed

It's not just flashbangs. Flashlights also get this buff with Background Player. There is no counter to it, period.

​@@misery1500I mean Just slug off rip It's what I do Can't flashlight save if I don't pick up

It's funny cuz I don't see Background player that often when I play killer or survivor but when I do see it, it's absolutely busted lol. It def needs a change of some sort.

​@@GoldenKirbyBuckle Up For The People go brr

i would hope there is no counter to a stun when its directly placed under you most likely when youre in the open. Just slug them they get like 3 seconds of distance, once you know someone is trying to stun everytime it shouldnt happen again often

Haste with status merchant is just so op

Don’t worry, they made sure to do that for huntress who needed it more!

The map addon for sure should be base. Default detection radius is so garbo.

Map of the Realm needed to be BASEKIT since his PTB. Playing without it is like playing without a power

@@terrypennington2519can’t make it too hard for survivors shhhh

@@TheDecagn Huntress DID need it more. Huntress’s skill floor was too high compared the modern DbD standard. So, yes, from a perspective of being less beginner-unfriendly, she needed it FAR more than knight.

People don’t like Knight (survivors) because he’s one of the few killers average players can’t loop/beat. Same thing goes for Skull Merchant, her 3 gen was unbeatable so of course guys like otz and spooky loops are gonna demonize Skull merchant

​@@mcahtme2977Honestly, you people are the main problem with Dbd. So I hope you realize how idiotic you sound and get better in the future! ^^

@@mcahtme2977as someone who plays killer about 45% percent to my surv 55% skull merchant takes. O skill holding W is boring and preleaving everything the whole game is whack but you are correct about knight tho

@@ethancarter5717 the only thing in such short words is, it takes no skill for majority of these killers. That being said only thing that matters is winning & losing, not skill.

Not only "good enough ship it" but also just leaving him as is the entire time. Shipped like this and STILL not fixed to this day. Insane.

Yes bro like the majority of the time I try to like break a pallet or gen with the power I just end up looking at it awkwardly for a few seconds before getting frustrated and just doing it myself 💀

Uuuuh the biggest thing he needs is map of the realm basekit

patch 7.3.5 - basekit adrenaline - charges needed to heal dropped to 6 - survivors now walk at 115% speed

Night > day

@@mitchszno day is way better than night it’s way harder to see the survivors at night

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I honestly want to believe that its not day, but a sheer manifestation of will from the entity to shine a bright light on Billy, who was pretty much tortured by light.

Knightnight is better than Knightlight cause Knightnight is better than Daytlight which is Nightlight

I know a real killler main currently on a 146+ win streak with Knight. Otz only play this killer to further complain and everyone like you will follow his opinion on said killer

@@mcahtme2977 bro is on that haterade responding to every comment

@@mcahtme2977 lmao, my guy I didn't say anything. I just said that he is frustrated which is true. And dude, there's twin mains in the world. Someone having a streak doesn't mean the killer isn't buggy and clunky. If you don't acknowledge these then you are delusional, you can like a killer, but that doesn't mean it is well designed.

​​​@@mcahtme2977Dude win streaks are nonsense 146+ against weak Players means nothing

@@capitalistcrab naw I’m a knight main and I have none of the problems this guy is saying so yeah I’m a dispute it wouldn’t call it hate

Oh wow, you're right. Hubris enduring. Have carnifex break the pallet as you get stunned, proc hubris, catch up with the speed boost and instadown.

If they can stop Sadako from being pallet-stunned when she's de-manifested, then they can do the same thing for the Knight when he's summoning a guard. They simply haven't. Laziness? Parasitic management?

Nah, that would make him hella oppressive. However, they could make it so that he gains haste whenever his guards are hunting someone down. Because that way, every single guard is desired equally. The Carnifex would be great if you need to dedicate to a chase elsewhere, the Assassin is amazing for your current chase, and comes after the Carnifex, and the Jailer is great for either picking up a survivor (so nearby survivors trying to go for a save are instantly targetted and damaged) or for patrolling the hooks. And then you can start the cycle again.

The problem isn’t the killer as designed the problem is that design is poorly implemented and plagued with technical issues and poor QOL decisions. You can’t use his power freely at most loops due to collision issues blocking it, you can get incorrectly stunned as demonstrated at the beginning of this video, guard AI is extremely easy to manipulate, and without addons his numbers (I.e. path length, detection range) feel very weak.

@@Predated2 I feel like, if anything, that's a good thing, it standardizes them without getting rid of any of their uniqueness, so the skill ceiling is still high (possibly higher since every shot would be long-range) but the skill floor is lower, being easier to achieve.

His power doesn't need a rework, his power is what makes him unique. The problem is his weird bugs and his reliance on add-ons. Map of the Realm and Call to Arms should be at least partially base kit, and his other addons do practically nothing. Although I done agree that the guard ai needs to be changed too much though. My only problem with them is they get stuck on obstacles sometimes, and that should definitely be fixed. I feel part of what makes Knight fun (and something a lot of survivors don't realize) is that you can manipulate the guard into doing something stupid that gives you distance. So it's possible to loop the Knight and the guard at the same time.

Not multiple guards but I do love the halo reach hologram type idea. Push button and guard will do a quick radius check for survivors pallets and gens then they’ll walk forward at speeds that match the guard with detection ranges that also differ.

Honestly Knight needs the same buff as twins did. PTB twins are one of few killers (aside from release PBT legion) that held high standards of assumerrical gameplay. This is 1v4 game. If it is perfectly balanced, only way for the minority role to lose is through their own mistakes. Example: Nurse. If she lands blinks, she wins. If she messes up, she is liable to lose. Game should be dictated by the micro-skill of the killer.

Could you believe the devs would rather give a far more less interesting and boring killer in skull merchant who is hated by everyone while also getting a ton of skins when knight is on the side like twins never getting love.

Oh and some basekit addon because he really needs it

That would probably help, maybe like nurse where you charge the power right RMB, aim by moving the mouse, and release RMB to launch? Then it's not separate mode. Idk lol

Expanding his power to two types would be pretty cool, a quick prompt to make the guard patrol in a straight line in front of you or to hit something in line of sight. And then the current power which let's you manually set a path or an out of sight objective.

They also needs the ability to activate they power walking, like Adriana, you must be stop and stay still for 1 second to the prompt to summon guard appears

@@lunaliciousgeeki think since the knight (in pc) only uses the button m2 and m1 for his power, they should add that mechanic using the CTRL button. So you can instantly send out your current guard to break a pallet or gen by just looking at the pallet/gen and simply pressing CTRL. But they’re too lazy to add that ig

I watch a RU-vidr King Wolfe he’s in a 145+ win streak with Knight right now. But he’s a true killer main that don’t go by the survivor rule book. It’s all who you watch don’t lose hope.

@@mcahtme2977 I am losing hope, I dont think bhvr will ever change their ways. Getting a streak with Knight sure is possible but playing him with all the bugs is not a pleasure.

​@@mcahtme2977idk what is this about this guy being a "true killer main" just because hes on a win streak and only play killers . Like otz total win streak on every killers is more than this dude can even dream to reach . Otz is one of if not this game biggest figure to look up on dude to him being able to see thing on both sides this video is just about how unpleasant it is to play knight

Very valid way to play the game btw

exactly like knight doesnt really have any counterplay except hold W. its the most cheap and boring killer

Crazy to be using up your free daily 'skip match' token on Knight when Skull Merchant and Trickster exist.

W? Pfftt hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

that's just what happens in a game where not only do you not know what map you're going to (even with most map offerings) but most of the maps are heavily influenced by rng to boot play identity v instead where not only do you know what map you're going to (and can avoid picking a bad 'killer' for it) but you can actually express skill by memorizing non-rng map tiles

Nevermind I didn't realize they got rid of it. Ffs.

I think it’s sad that one of the most positive streamers out there is losing hope

@@monsieurchaunceman1679he’s positive but wants everything to do with Killer nerfed. And you really want me to believe he’s a killer main?

​@@monsieurchaunceman1679Kinda what happens when Devs regularly don't listen to the community, and when they do listen, its half hearted and changes go poorly. Then there's blatant security concerns that should've never been a thing that happens for months on end. And then buggy codes and bad killers that will never get reworked because they think its fine to have intentionally poorly designed killers just because there needs to be 1.

@@mcahtme2977WRONG! He’s just actually looking at things from both sides which is what’s best!

@@mcahtme2977 Because he's not a Killer main or a Surv main. He's a DBD main. He's been in the scene for so long that he realised that these "mains", are the true problem of DBD. The devs tries to tip the balance to one side, when either of them cries and thats not a healthy behaviour for the game devs to be having.

I only play chase merchant, and it's insane how little counterplay she has even if you don't 3 gen. She might need a complete power change at this point