Age of Empires 4 - The Byzantines Are Coming 

Gilded Spearmen: *salivates*

Exactly what I was thinking. Good old days if BFME 1 and 2

The Byzantines called the greek fire, roman fire.

@@sagittariusa9012 but the Greeks call also them self romans Romei in Greek and the ottomans called Greeks rum fillet

Yep and some times even ourselves we call us romioi….cause of the medieval era and during ottoman rule continuation the name remain same….ethnicity we are greeks but as a state area of the eastern roman empire we remain romioi and also due to the name call us as such the turks , basic every orthodox Christian called like that….due to eastern roman empire of their religion…..

As an Italian I'm also hyped for the Byzantines. Mediterranean Greco/Roman faction finally.

As a Swede I am happy to bring our väringagarde/viking warriors to Greece :D On a sidenote referencing the thread, we now have three different Roman empires in the game. The Germans, the Greeks and the Turks.

by "not much" i mean, i would be jealous if ottoman weren't in this game since long ago XD

Now is a villager that punches the incoming 5 french knights one who doesnt think or a hero like hercules ? :P

we dgaf boy...

china has that with great wall.. Its too strong, thats why its not available.

@@JoseLeybaDiaz yeah, and it was pretty awsome

reforged confirmed

I loved that aspect of the game. Felt like it made sense having cavalry squads be able to trample infantry. I mainly played BFME 2 and the Witchking expansion. I hope the game gets a remaster so I can play it again. It doesn't work on my new computer

@@zenologic7786 Yes. I would love that. The game had a lot of nice features. And BFME 2 was the one I played the most too. With the Witch king expansion, of course. I wonder if I have not ask for it on GoG. GoG stuff tend not to be remasters, but they find every little piece of the original game and make it work on modern hardware at least. Which sometimes is even better than the official remaster. ;)

@@zenologic7786 Try Age of the Ring mod for BFME2, its like a whole new game from every aspect.. its the best out there.

Stone when heated up can break and bust, one of the ways medieval sappers would deal with stone walls is to tunnel under them, herd pigs into a pit under them and set the pigs aflame because pig fat burns hotter than oil. This weakens the wooden support of the wall and can cause the stone itself to collapse under its own weight.

Didn't expect to learn here, cheers William!

@@Enternalsin You’re welcome.

​@@jarlwilliam9932 I knew about introducing wood in holes previously digged in the wall in order to make them spand with water and make the wall collapse but the pig fat burning method is new to me. I mean, the imagination... picture the local butcher with a pig in his hands, looking to a stone wall and telling the king "Don't worry, I got this" Can we have byzantine rams shooting burning pigs? Tax me double, I will pay

@@Villalbacon Lol I am pretty sure they herded the pigs in while they where alive, closed the tunnel off and used oil to set the pigs on fire. Imagine the squealing and smell. Humans can be monstrous sometimes. I just imagine the ram operator throwing pigs on the walls and igniting them on fire.

the last thing the game needs is more braindead civs like english and french.

so basically AoE 2 with better graphics? like this is what makes AoE4 greatest.. the uniqueness of each civ, both from units, building and upgrades aesthetics and mechanics

everything costs more

You have to spend stone building ur aqueducts and i doubt u can make keeps to defend urself or go double TC boom, also u have to manage a lot more things

Ottoman great bombard, historically..

Disagree. Japanese one was way better and way more detailed. We haven't even seen all landmarks here. Also, mostly demo footage...

Which ones specifically?

The cavalry charge mechanic for one. Stances for infantry (shield wall) and other civs should probably get the mangonel emplacements.

@kingfisher1638 hmm I think if abilities and stance dancing is part of the base games expectations you've really changed the skill floor. The game right now is obviously super high in skill ceiling but arguably attack move is a great way of playing. It doesn't involve toggling through a diverse army to activate abilities and switch stances especially berserk and shield wall with such downsides to them. I think a lot of people would look at the spearmen shield wall and think "I'd rather he just be in the middle, boost the defenses a little and reduce the damage and speed a little so I don't have to switch between the two extremes in the 4 seconds it takes for them to close the distance" Unless the charge thing you want to be more passive. Either way i agree with the mango towers thing that's really strong and seems more desirable for most people.

I think the skill ceiling argument isn't as strong anymore since they are pushing all kinds of timing abilities tied to awkward buildings requiring heavy hotkeys for optimal use. That said I am also for autocast abilities so units with shield wall would auto toggle depending on what they are being attacked by. That way ranged units will tend to pin shielded units by forcing shields. The trend seems to be more complex behaviors being introduced to the game I just want them to lean into it fully and give us enough QoL with it that it isn't too clunky/sweaty.

It’s a damn game.

They also have northmen berserkers with great axes haha 😂 basic have all if you have money lol 😅😅

@@Spiror The Varangian Guard were real mercenaries that the Byzantines hired as elite warriors, so it makes perfect sense to see them here.

Yes, but they gave Byzantine features that should have been in the Ottoman Empire.

If anything it would be historically accurate. These guys continued the legacy (technologically, civilizationally and culturally) of the Roman Empire while the British, French and Holy Roman Empire were basically backwards savages from Germany.

Updates exist

Power creep is an unfortunate part of games like this but remember the Chinese have existed this whole time and i think they would be called out as needlessly bloated from the get go

learning new things is hard huh

Spread it to all civilizations so that other players come complaining about "no new mechanics", no "real new civ". "Everything is the same" and whatever

You idiot. It’s called variant civs, we will probably get more for the other civs

AoE2 definitive edition is funny, new civs get the stuff inspired by AoE3 and AoM. They added first unit that shots arrows and switches to melee at close like in AoE3 An they added a civ with ox cart from AoM. It's quite silly. I love playing AoE4 but AoE2 can;t acceop the fact that AoE3 and AoM are the best games and all roads lead to them